=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 423 ===
Title: LDO 423 - Whoops
Recorded: 2023-10-05
Hosts: Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash
Guest(s): Kris "StinkyFPV"
Total audience: 1,144
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmttmP_dsaI); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1633425009-letsdroneout-ldo-423-whoops.mp3)
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[19.68] Stephen: On with the show.
[20.68] Jack: Hello and welcome to Let's Drone Out.
[56.96] Jack: You are joined by everyone's favourite curry kitten.
[61.44] Jack: Sorry for talking.
[62.44] Jack: Our Lord and Master Frank.
[65.44] Jack: Good evening.
[67.96] Jack: The man with the moustache, Steven.
[70.28] Jack: Even and all.
[71.96] Jack: And the rich but breathy, dirty, mixed stinky Chris.
[76.72] Jack: Hello.
[77.72] Jack: Hello and welcome.
[82.16] Jack: Let's start the show.
[83.16] Jack: I believe Frank, you've set this up.
[85.96] Frank: Yes, so, well, I mean, a while back there was the Pop and Model show where there was
[92.68] Frank: a load of tiny wheat racing sort of representing the FPV world there.
[98.44] Frank: And so I got slightly involved in that I made some trophies for that.
[104.48] Frank: So I was in a group chat with Chris G and Chris dirty mixed stinky who we have on tonight
[109.92] Frank: and a few other people.
[113.44] Frank: And so I thought, you know, it's beginning of October, the weather will have been turning
[118.84] Frank: by then.
[119.84] Frank: We'll be, you know, deep in our hibernations by now.
[125.2] Frank: It would be good to have some sort of updates on what the tiny weeps are doing.
[131.96] Frank: It's still quite summery outside at the moment, but nevertheless, we have Chris on.
[136.56] Frank: So thank you very much for joining us.
[138.68] Frank: It's all right.
[139.68] Frank: Thank you for having me.
[142.28] Frank: You kind of ran the racing, right?
[145.2] Frank: Is my understanding at the pop show?
[147.96] Kris "StinkyFPV": Yeah, so Chris G has the works where he flies with Papa Merfield last year.
[156.12] Kris "StinkyFPV": He he had an event going on, but it wasn't there wasn't really any kind of tiny whooping
[160.28] Kris "StinkyFPV": going on. He had like five inch racegates in a tiny whooping closure, kind of just asked
[165.24] Kris "StinkyFPV": me to fly around them for a few hours and which was great because I didn't have to fight
[170.2] Kris "StinkyFPV": for VTX time at all.
[172.0] Kris "StinkyFPV": Like none of the people that were flying wings there didn't bother with VTX is I didn't bother
[176.44] Kris "StinkyFPV": with FPV.
[177.44] Kris "StinkyFPV": So we had the whole whole day to do it, which was a bit of a nightmare trying to manage
[183.28] Kris "StinkyFPV": your batteries, keeping them going so that spectators were there.
[187.24] Kris "StinkyFPV": We got to see that. And then this year was was was much bigger.
[190.92] Kris "StinkyFPV": We had a much bigger turnout.
[193.32] Kris "StinkyFPV": Lots of people come to see.
[195.36] Kris "StinkyFPV": I did run the races.
[196.44] Kris "StinkyFPV": I did a two day event because I wanted to do so when I say two day event, I mean, I
[202.0] Kris "StinkyFPV": did a race one on one day and a race one on another day, which is why you ended up making
[207.32] Kris "StinkyFPV": six trophies.
[208.32] Frank: Yeah.
[209.32] Kris "StinkyFPV": Yeah.
[210.32] Kris "StinkyFPV": And the only reason why I did that was because we we had some pilots who said at the outset
[214.12] Kris "StinkyFPV": that they couldn't make the first day or the second day.
[216.36] Kris "StinkyFPV": So I didn't want to exclude them from a two day event.
[220.08] Kris "StinkyFPV": So we just did single races on each day and then gave out prizes.
[225.28] Kris "StinkyFPV": It was really good fun.
[227.28] Kris "StinkyFPV": It was the tent was massive.
[229.2] Kris "StinkyFPV": So I think next year we're going to try and get even more of the tent because there was
[233.48] Kris "StinkyFPV": just so much space to play with inside.
[235.4] Kris "StinkyFPV": There were only if there were only a few stands there.
[237.6] Frank: Yeah.
[238.6] Frank: I mean, for context, for anyone who hasn't been to any of the pop events.
[243.0] Frank: So the pop is a manned airfield where they have a load of microlights and things flying
[252.12] Frank: in and out.
[253.64] Frank: And they also have the Light Aircraft Association rally, which means for that event, they get
[260.24] Frank: in some really, really big markings to hold in all the various stores for that event.
[266.0] Frank: And they, you know, happen to have the pop model show very close to that event.
[272.56] Frank: And so the marquee people don't take the marquee down.
[274.96] Frank: So there's an absolutely enormous marquee sitting next to the runway that gets shut
[281.28] Frank: down for the big model flying so that there's enough space for jets and turbines to fly
[287.16] Frank: on this what is usually a manned runway, but gets shut down for the event for the model
[291.48] Frank: flying.
[292.48] Frank: And then there's this really, really, really big marquee as, you know, otherwise it's empty.
[298.92] Frank: And so basically there's, were there any, I think previously there's been some like
[305.16] Frank: model railway stuff in a corner somewhere and like some little buggies in the corner
[309.28] Frank: somewhere.
[310.28] Kris "StinkyFPV": Yeah.
[311.28] Kris "StinkyFPV": So they have like a little water display.
[312.44] Kris "StinkyFPV": They had tanks.
[314.16] Kris "StinkyFPV": I think last year they had slightly more in terms of the displays because they had they
[318.52] Kris "StinkyFPV": had planes, tanks, they had a railway system, but this this year was so they did have the
[324.0] Kris "StinkyFPV": model railways.
[325.0] Kris "StinkyFPV": They still had the waterworks and the tanks, which was really good.
[328.04] Kris "StinkyFPV": We got a chap called Mike who's based over in the race castle area.
[333.72] Kris "StinkyFPV": He does a lot of small crawlers and we got him to come and do a stand as well, got people
[339.48] Kris "StinkyFPV": really interested in that.
[341.68] Kris "StinkyFPV": So it was a good, we had like, I don't know, I'd like to say we had like the lion's share
[347.3] Kris "StinkyFPV": of spectators there because it's where it was situated by the airfield that the natural
[353.08] Kris "StinkyFPV": flow of spectators was out of the airfield straight into the tent.
[356.88] Kris "StinkyFPV": And then we just, they just come and sort of sat around the netted area and just watched
[360.72] Kris "StinkyFPV": us fly.
[361.72] Frank: Yeah.
[362.96] Frank: And you presumably got this huge space to them filled with bits of track equipment,
[369.04] Frank: whatever you can get hold of.
[371.24] Kris "StinkyFPV": Yeah.
[372.24] Kris "StinkyFPV": So fortunately, I'm a member of the Hanworth Tiny Whip Club and they've already got a
[379.2] Kris "StinkyFPV": load of gates that I just basically, I basically nicked out of storage and used all of those.
[383.84] Kris "StinkyFPV": So we managed to populate the area with tons of LED gates.
[388.12] Kris "StinkyFPV": We even use some of Chris's five inch gates.
[391.24] Kris "StinkyFPV": There was like a massive cubed five inch gate right in the middle of it all that we made
[395.12] Kris "StinkyFPV": a feature out of and had to fly around.
[399.48] Curry: It was, yeah, it was really good.
[401.72] Curry: So on the subject of tiny whoops and racing, I feel the definition of a whoop has gone
[407.84] Curry: a bit broad these days in terms of what you can have in some ways and motor and like motor
[413.52] Curry: KV or power.
[414.8] Curry: Do you have rules about what a tiny whoop is for racing terms?
[419.32] Kris "StinkyFPV": Yeah, so definitely with the advent of these new frames, like the pro versions, they definitely
[424.88] Kris "StinkyFPV": sort of convolute and people have to be a bit more restrictive or defined specifically
[431.36] Kris "StinkyFPV": what the whoop is.
[432.16] Kris "StinkyFPV": But to me, a tiny whoop really is something that's at 65 mils.
[437.96] Kris "StinkyFPV": I don't really have anything.
[438.84] Kris "StinkyFPV": So it's the size of my hand, essentially, is roughly the size of a whoop.
[443.12] Kris "StinkyFPV": And then the one up from that, that's 65 millimeters.
[445.92] Kris "StinkyFPV": The one up from that is 75.
[448.88] Kris "StinkyFPV": People call them whoops, but I mean, there's so much more power to weight ratio in them
[453.4] Kris "StinkyFPV": that you can do a lot more and they're more outdoor friendly.
[458.56] Kris "StinkyFPV": They can still fly through a bit of gust of wind, whereas a 65 millimeter will quite easily
[464.28] Kris "StinkyFPV": get knocked off course, even with the mildest gust of wind.
[466.68] Kris "StinkyFPV": So I would say anything from a 65 millimeter frame to the pro frame, which is just ever so
[474.2] Kris "StinkyFPV": slightly bigger.
[474.84] Kris "StinkyFPV": It's about five mil bigger on each five or four mil bigger on each five millimeter prop
[481.0] Kris "StinkyFPV": version versus four.
[482.68] Kris "StinkyFPV": So that's the 75 pro versions.
[485.84] Kris "StinkyFPV": They got a 65 pro and a 75 pro and the pro version is 45 millimeters prop size standard
[492.36] Kris "StinkyFPV": 75 millimeters is 40 mil props.
[494.92] Kris "StinkyFPV": And then you're at 35, I believe, for the pro version.
[498.24] Kris "StinkyFPV": And then it's 31.
[501.08] Stephen: And what are you designing the tracks for?
[504.16] Stephen: What size do you have in mind when you think about the gaps and the speed and all that?
[508.72] Stephen: 65, 65 millimeters.
[510.44] Kris "StinkyFPV": So the gates, we try to build all of the gates or we try to encourage people to build all
[516.6] Kris "StinkyFPV": of the gates to at least a 50 centimeter post by post so that all of the gates are sort of
[522.44] Kris "StinkyFPV": regulation size, essentially, or they're all the same size regardless of what event you
[526.64] Kris "StinkyFPV": might go to.
[527.44] Kris "StinkyFPV": So with that size, trying to fit a 75 millimeter through that at speed can be a bit tricky
[535.04] Kris "StinkyFPV": sometimes.
[535.76] Kris "StinkyFPV": So it's often the best or normally we'll just define straight up that none of the bigger
[540.84] Kris "StinkyFPV": quads will just have 65 only will accept 65 pro because it's still within that sort of
[545.48] Kris "StinkyFPV": same size range.
[547.92] Kris "StinkyFPV": And I think people feel like it gives them a slight advantage because you're running a
[551.48] Kris "StinkyFPV": slightly bigger prop.
[553.56] Kris "StinkyFPV": But I've seen people on standard 65 millimeters, completely trash, pro fliers.
[558.28] Stephen: So I can go longer without the battery dying as well as a wee bit more efficient, the big
[563.8] Stephen: prop.
[564.88] Kris "StinkyFPV": Yeah, slightly more efficient.
[566.08] Kris "StinkyFPV": You could definitely get maybe 30 seconds more flight time out of there.
[568.84] Kris "StinkyFPV": It kind of really just depends on how aggressive you are on the throttle.
[572.72] Kris "StinkyFPV": Like on average, you could probably get about, I don't know, about four minutes.
[578.08] Kris "StinkyFPV": If you were really gentle and you were just cruising around probably four minutes on a
[581.16] Kris "StinkyFPV": 65 millimeter.
[582.88] Kris "StinkyFPV": And then if you were to go up to 75, you'd probably looking at about six, seven
[586.48] Kris "StinkyFPV": minutes.
[587.32] Kris "StinkyFPV": But it all depends on the build, how light you make it.
[592.4] Kris "StinkyFPV": Because I think regardless of the KV that you can run on a motor, regardless of the
[598.12] Kris "StinkyFPV": flight controller that you're using or the camera that you're using is ultimately always
[601.52] Kris "StinkyFPV": going to come down to the weight ratio that you're pushing.
[604.28] Kris "StinkyFPV": So the lighter you can make your work, the better it is going to fly.
[608.16] Kris "StinkyFPV": The longer it's going to fly, the more you can do with it.
[611.56] Stephen: So we're not on winter yet.
[612.92] Stephen: People may not be, you know, stuck indoors, having to race indoors, but they might be
[617.68] Stephen: thinking about buying parts and perhaps upgrading last year's or things they have in the
[623.0] Stephen: cupboard.
[623.68] Stephen: What would you recommend?
[624.72] Stephen: What's your kind of go to choice of components that you prefer to race at the moment?
[631.76] Kris "StinkyFPV": So for me then, the camera is the Foxy Pico camera.
[637.68] Kris "StinkyFPV": It's just the easiest one to get in the UK.
[639.92] Kris "StinkyFPV": Unfortunately, there's like a major shortage of work parts in the UK.
[642.84] Kris "StinkyFPV": There aren't many.
[643.8] Kris "StinkyFPV": You've got all your major shops, but every time they get something in, like some new
[648.24] Kris "StinkyFPV": frames or some batteries or something, they're just gone instantly.
[651.96] Kris "StinkyFPV": So you tend to find you'll be buying from China or you'll be paying the huge costs for
[658.24] Kris "StinkyFPV": shipping from America.
[659.32] Kris "StinkyFPV": But for products, normally I would use Foxy Pico or the tiny work pinch for a camera for a
[668.0] Kris "StinkyFPV": flight controller.
[669.76] Kris "StinkyFPV": I prefer the diamonds, the happy so that there's this happy model make this board called a
[674.48] Kris "StinkyFPV": diamond board, which is normally the boards are either just square shaped by like square, but
[680.8] Kris "StinkyFPV": they're 25 millimeter by 25 millimeter mounting, or you can get the cross shaped boards, which
[685.92] Kris "StinkyFPV": are a bit easier to fit into some of the pro frames because they actually make the the whole
[691.72] Kris "StinkyFPV": the mounting hole for the flight controller slightly smaller.
[694.88] Stephen: Like scallop sides, aren't they?
[696.48] Stephen: Instead of straight sides, they fit with a bigger duct.
[699.84] Kris "StinkyFPV": Yeah, so so I prefer the the diamond purely because of its weight.
[704.32] Kris "StinkyFPV": It's really light.
[706.32] Kris "StinkyFPV": It's analog, but you can you can put a HDC BTX on it if you want to.
[711.48] Kris "StinkyFPV": Motors.
[713.08] Kris "StinkyFPV": So that's a tricky one.
[715.4] Kris "StinkyFPV": It's not a tricky one.
[716.88] Kris "StinkyFPV": For me, I've actually started winding my own motors.
[719.88] Kris "StinkyFPV": Wow.
[721.2] Kris "StinkyFPV": Crazy man, you might say.
[722.36] Kris "StinkyFPV": Yeah, stupid.
[723.44] Kris "StinkyFPV": Yeah.
[724.52] Frank: Most of the winding.
[726.48] Kris "StinkyFPV": Well, I mean, if you're if you're chasing the grams, winding your own motors can can literally
[731.16] Kris "StinkyFPV": knock off a half a gram in total of the entire build and a half a gram on a on a whip that
[735.6] Kris "StinkyFPV": weighs maybe 17 is 20 percent is ridiculous.
[739.44] Kris "StinkyFPV": So it really does pay dividends.
[741.84] Kris "StinkyFPV": Plus, there are some efficiencies to be to be bagged from winding your own motors.
[748.88] Kris "StinkyFPV": But generally want them to get a higher KV or what are you aiming for?
[753.56] Kris "StinkyFPV": Twenty four thousand is my golden ratio KV.
[756.52] Kris "StinkyFPV": I don't really I think anything higher, you're just dumping current into the motors and
[761.32] Kris "StinkyFPV": anything lower, you're you're really going to be pushing too much through potentially
[766.8] Kris "StinkyFPV": the flight controller and you could you could pop an ESC on there.
[771.96] Stephen: Right. Now those motors, the tiny motors had kind of this KV competition where everyone
[778.52] Stephen: was claiming higher and higher KV's of the ratings to be trusted on tiny motors.
[783.8] Stephen: Is the KV rating rating real or are they just imaginary numbers?
[788.2] Kris "StinkyFPV": I think it's ballpark.
[790.28] Kris "StinkyFPV": Whenever you see a KV on a motor, it's always ballpark.
[793.24] Kris "StinkyFPV": I think the actual science to get an exact KV is actually quite difficult to do because
[798.8] Kris "StinkyFPV": you've got it depends on the wire thickness, the number of wines you put on it.
[803.96] Kris "StinkyFPV": So I always take them as sort of like a rough.
[806.52] Kris "StinkyFPV": But if you're going to do freestyling in a work, then absolutely something like twenty
[812.52] Kris "StinkyFPV": five, twenty six, thirty, I mean, like there's a chap in America called Ciotty who does he
[821.4] Kris "StinkyFPV": swears blind to using higher KV motors.
[824.28] Kris "StinkyFPV": But I kind of tend to disagree because I think you're just wasting a lot of current from
[828.84] Kris "StinkyFPV": the battery. You can quite easily perform some of the same tricks you could do on a twenty
[834.28] Kris "StinkyFPV": six thousand KV motor versus a thirty.
[836.92] Kris "StinkyFPV": So for me, for racing personally, twenty four is the golden ratio.
[844.12] Kris "StinkyFPV": I prefer that it's just very difficult to find motors that are actually off the shelf
[849.0] Kris "StinkyFPV": at twenty four K.
[849.84] Kris "StinkyFPV": Most of them are either twenty six, twenty seven, you can get some twenty two's and
[854.68] Kris "StinkyFPV": some twenty twenty thousand's.
[856.28] Kris "StinkyFPV": They're pretty decent.
[857.16] Kris "StinkyFPV": So for the motors that I would recommend on a sixty five millimeter, for me, I prefer
[867.92] Kris "StinkyFPV": seven oh two's.
[869.04] Kris "StinkyFPV": So that refers the numbers referring to the actual size of the stator itself in millimeters
[875.84] Kris "StinkyFPV": in height and in width seven oh two's aren't the smallest motors you can get, but they're
[881.04] Kris "StinkyFPV": going to be the lightest in power to weight ratio.
[886.2] Stephen: They're about the smallest you can get, I think.
[888.72] Stephen: That's smaller than six oh three, isn't it?
[894.08] Kris "StinkyFPV": Just ever since it's six oh three is taller, isn't it?
[896.44] Stephen: Yeah, so it's a percent taller than seven oh two.
[899.44] Kris "StinkyFPV": So yeah, so you're probably right there.
[902.0] Kris "StinkyFPV": I think there are I always thought that you can get I thought you could get six oh two's,
[906.8] Stephen: but I'm not sure.
[908.48] Stephen: Maybe, maybe it's quite a new size.
[910.96] Stephen: That one, isn't it?
[911.68] Stephen: They kind of appeared last year, the seven oh two's.
[914.84] Kris "StinkyFPV": Yeah, yeah, I suspect we haven't seen with the advent of all of these different types
[920.8] Kris "StinkyFPV": of frames that are coming out that are experimenting with different prop sizes.
[923.96] Kris "StinkyFPV": I kind of suspect that we're going to end up seeing something like seven oh two point
[927.44] Kris "StinkyFPV": five's and eight oh two point five's, you know, the incremental increase is just to see
[933.36] Kris "StinkyFPV": if you actually gain any benefit out of having a slightly bigger stator.
[937.44] Kris "StinkyFPV": You do in most instances, you just there is a downside.
[940.92] Kris "StinkyFPV": Like you they say the most efficient motor is an eight oh two motor and it is quite
[949.24] Kris "StinkyFPV": efficient, but it's weight.
[952.44] Kris "StinkyFPV": It's it's it's just bigger.
[954.2] Kris "StinkyFPV": So it's it's it just adds more weight unnecessarily to the work when you could be flying
[958.88] Kris "StinkyFPV": something that's super lightweight.
[962.16] Kris "StinkyFPV": So I think I remember this.
[963.84] Kris "StinkyFPV": Sorry, but no, it's just because it all comes down to weight, in my opinion.
[969.48] Stephen: Yeah, I think I remember a French guy.
[971.56] Stephen: I remember his name, but he did all his flights in a farmhouse in the middle of nowhere and
[975.68] Stephen: had this kind of Woop dungeon set up underneath.
[979.32] Stephen: Angry Don, Angry Don.
[981.0] Stephen: Yeah. And he was he was pushing for the seven oh two motors and also the kind of ultra
[986.84] Stephen: lightweight, smaller flight controllers as well.
[989.48] Stephen: So a lot of this stuff has come from him.
[990.96] Stephen: And I think he had some spectacular falling out with the manufacturers after kind of getting
[995.8] Stephen: these ideas built.
[997.72] Stephen: It looks like we're starting to see the reap the rewards of his work now.
[1001.96] Kris "StinkyFPV": Yeah, it's a bit of a shame actually, because he was he was kind of innovative in in the
[1007.64] Kris "StinkyFPV": work scene and he was really pushing some like some really cool designs, some new sort
[1012.56] Kris "StinkyFPV": of like canopy designs.
[1014.04] Kris "StinkyFPV": And yeah, he kind of just sort of went a little bit south for him, really, I think with Happy
[1019.6] Kris "StinkyFPV": Model, they just and I think it's even like, I mean, I don't know how salty, I'd be bloody
[1024.04] Kris "StinkyFPV": salty if I came up with all these ideas.
[1025.96] Kris "StinkyFPV": And then a year down the line and all of a sudden I'm seeing them come to market and
[1028.92] Stephen: everyone's like, so a lot of people have that experience dealing with like mass
[1035.72] Stephen: manufacturing. So it's a lot of times.
[1038.88] Stephen: Yeah.
[1039.96] Stephen: Other shows with Hydra for more information.
[1043.96] Stephen: Yeah.
[1044.6] Frank: Is there still any holdouts in the racing scene that are still like on on like brush
[1049.28] Frank: miters or anything?
[1050.28] Frank: Or is everyone like, is everyone staying up to date with the latest stuff in the race?
[1056.16] Kris "StinkyFPV": I think most people nowadays are brushless.
[1058.44] Kris "StinkyFPV": I don't really see.
[1059.28] Kris "StinkyFPV": I mean, I know people, some of the people, because I've only been in this hobby for a
[1062.36] Kris "StinkyFPV": couple of years and I know the people that have been in it for a lot longer have got
[1066.2] Kris "StinkyFPV": shelves of old whoops that were all brushed that they don't use or fly anymore.
[1073.66] Frank: Curry indicating towards the shelf, presumably.
[1077.42] Curry: Yes, sorry, a whole bunch of them up there.
[1080.22] Curry: They work quite nicely as very gentle quads to fly around indoors and be able to go through
[1085.38] Curry: little gaps. But yeah, you were just talking about like the KV of motors like 24, 26.
[1091.5] Curry: If I try and fly 22,000 KV indoors, it's a nightmare.
[1095.34] Curry: It's like, it's just it's like a pinball watching it bounce off the walls.
[1099.74] Curry: That's my flying.
[1100.9] Curry: I'm sure in the hands of someone half decent, it would be fine, but not for me.
[1105.7] Kris "StinkyFPV": There there is a learning curve to when you're flying.
[1108.14] Kris "StinkyFPV": There's certain things that you can do to tame the whip a little bit.
[1110.54] Kris "StinkyFPV": But there is definitely a learning curve to flying the smaller quads, say in your front
[1114.42] Kris "StinkyFPV": room or under your sofa or something like that.
[1118.02] Kris "StinkyFPV": The one thing you could do is is lower the camera angle.
[1120.3] Kris "StinkyFPV": So have it almost like five degrees rather than something like 45 degrees.
[1125.06] Kris "StinkyFPV": You could definitely tame it that way.
[1130.82] Kris "StinkyFPV": I can't think there was a moment my mind's gone blank.
[1134.02] Frank: Is everyone, what about there's because there was the HP batteries, right?
[1139.1] Frank: That was a that was a big thing a while ago.
[1142.38] Frank: Is that everyone going to HP?
[1143.66] Frank: Is everyone giving up on HP?
[1145.02] Frank: What's the standard there?
[1146.14] Frank: What about that?
[1147.1] Kris "StinkyFPV": There is preference, I think.
[1149.5] Kris "StinkyFPV": Most people I know that fly whips these days all fly HP batteries now.
[1154.78] Kris "StinkyFPV": But there in itself is a bit of a nightmare because batteries are like gold dust.
[1159.66] Kris "StinkyFPV": They're very hard to get hold of.
[1161.02] Kris "StinkyFPV": And you tend to find that you'll end up buying them from Aliexpress or places like that,
[1167.58] Kris "StinkyFPV": really, because they just don't they don't have the shops in the UK.
[1170.98] Kris "StinkyFPV": They don't have good stock of them, unfortunately, or they do that.
[1173.34] Kris "StinkyFPV": They'll be selling things like dot com batteries rather than tattoo ones.
[1176.78] Kris "StinkyFPV": And there is an element of lipo snobbery in the in the in the hobby, to a degree.
[1184.46] Kris "StinkyFPV": I mean, I only fly tattoo because I just I've tried a lot of the batteries
[1188.38] Kris "StinkyFPV": and they're just the ones that perform the best for me.
[1190.5] Kris "StinkyFPV": They give me that really at the very end when you're starting to feel the sag
[1195.5] Kris "StinkyFPV": of the battery, they really they still keep giving you.
[1198.22] Kris "StinkyFPV": Hello, Zoe.
[1199.86] Kris "StinkyFPV": Hey, Zoey, FPV in the chat.
[1201.58] Kris "StinkyFPV": Hello. I hope you're doing well.
[1204.86] Stephen: 3D whips. Oh, I've never tried that.
[1208.14] Stephen: I don't think I could, you know, I mean, you know, I mean, you need a lot of power
[1212.1] Stephen: to hold 3D because unless you have props as well.
[1214.94] Frank: I feel like props on whips are barely kind of sculpted.
[1222.3] Frank: I feel like they're not very 3D, very asymmetrical.
[1225.94] Stephen: You throw away a lot of thrust in reverse thrust.
[1228.7] Stephen: I'm not sure it would actually hold its weight.
[1231.06] Kris "StinkyFPV": No, no, no.
[1234.1] Kris "StinkyFPV": Well, a lot of people say you've got the turtle mode option on there.
[1237.7] Kris "StinkyFPV": So for anyone that's listening, if your whip lands on its on its top,
[1242.58] Kris "StinkyFPV": you can turtle mode and then get right up.
[1244.46] Kris "StinkyFPV": But the problem with whips is there's no control on it.
[1246.9] Kris "StinkyFPV": You basically just go full throttle with when you turtle mode.
[1251.38] Kris "StinkyFPV": So a lot of people don't actually turtle mode because it can pop an ESC
[1255.98] Kris "StinkyFPV": on the flight controller.
[1258.18] Stephen: I remember it was a couple of years ago
[1260.3] Stephen: where turtle mode only worked on some whips because they just didn't all
[1264.18] Stephen: have enough power or some of them were too heavy and couldn't.
[1267.82] Kris "StinkyFPV": Yeah, yeah. If you've got if you've got an ultra lightweight whip,
[1271.3] Kris "StinkyFPV": nine times out of ten, even a bi-blade will push it over.
[1273.98] Kris "StinkyFPV": But if your whips, say, pushing 20 grams and you've got a bi-blade on it,
[1278.06] Kris "StinkyFPV": you're probably just going to spin on the floor.
[1281.22] Kris "StinkyFPV": You're not really going to be able to write yourself up.
[1282.98] Kris "StinkyFPV": So but the props themselves,
[1287.0] Kris "StinkyFPV": they're pretty robust things.
[1289.92] Kris "StinkyFPV": I think I've never had a problem with any of the props.
[1294.0] Kris "StinkyFPV": And the most problems I do see are them pinging off in a severe crash
[1300.2] Kris "StinkyFPV": because they're all push fit, essentially.
[1302.0] Kris "StinkyFPV": So in a really big crash, you can you can ping one off with it
[1305.76] Kris "StinkyFPV": and go flying somewhere.
[1307.92] Kris "StinkyFPV": And there are nine men to find in the dark.
[1309.84] Stephen: Oh, I remember trying to change props to test out different props.
[1313.24] Stephen: And if I wasn't careful, I just pulled the shaft clean out of the motor.
[1318.24] Frank: There were a mark there.
[1320.88] Kris "StinkyFPV": So there is actually a tool out in the market now.
[1323.88] Kris "StinkyFPV": Now, this thing is like coveted.
[1326.0] Kris "StinkyFPV": It's called the prop popper.
[1327.68] Kris "StinkyFPV": I think it was made by a chap called Winston FBV.
[1331.48] Kris "StinkyFPV": And Tiny Whips sell it.
[1333.4] Kris "StinkyFPV": This thing is it's like a little hook with a press on the top
[1337.48] Kris "StinkyFPV": and you just hook under the prop and you press and the pop just pops off.
[1342.4] Kris "StinkyFPV": It's no no more of this wrestling and cutting your fingers open
[1345.44] Kris "StinkyFPV": and destroying all your bleeding fingertips.
[1350.8] Stephen: It's way worse than trying to get a big five inch prop off
[1353.16] Stephen: because those things are just sharp and tiny, sharp edges and nothing else.
[1359.32] Kris "StinkyFPV": Yeah, you do end up with some slight cuts or your fingers develop calluses
[1362.84] Kris "StinkyFPV": like you're playing guitar or something and you just start tacking them on.
[1367.4] Frank: Nice. So how how about props, then?
[1370.56] Frank: Is there like a standard prop that everyone's using?
[1374.0] Frank: Do you just get whatever you can get hold of that buys, tries?
[1377.76] Frank: I mean, I feel like quad blades was standard like a few years ago.
[1381.44] Frank: So many things have moved on since then.
[1384.08] Kris "StinkyFPV": Yeah. So with the power of the motors these days and the lightweight of them,
[1387.24] Kris "StinkyFPV": you don't necessarily need quad blades anymore.
[1389.48] Kris "StinkyFPV": Tri-blades seem to be the most used prop in Tiny Whips.
[1396.64] Kris "StinkyFPV": You get some people that fly bi-blades because they just like the feel of bi-blades.
[1399.72] Kris "StinkyFPV": I personally fly bi-blades because I like to have that kind of
[1403.24] Kris "StinkyFPV": skid feel in a turn, essentially.
[1406.8] Kris "StinkyFPV": Tri-blades will give you a lot of grip in a turn.
[1410.44] Kris "StinkyFPV": So you could you could pretty much come up to a gate full pelt turn
[1414.8] Kris "StinkyFPV": and then go the other way kind of thing.
[1416.92] Kris "StinkyFPV": With bi-blades, it's more of a you've got to swoop in and you've got to come in.
[1420.2] Kris "StinkyFPV": You've got to make the line right.
[1423.24] Kris "StinkyFPV": So tri-blades definitely for makes HQ gem fan.
[1429.04] Kris "StinkyFPV": They're the ones that I primarily see most people use.
[1434.08] Kris "StinkyFPV": HQ are more about I think the consensus, as far as I understand it,
[1438.32] Kris "StinkyFPV": is that HQ make efficient props.
[1441.6] Kris "StinkyFPV": Gem fan makes really grippy props, essentially,
[1446.28] Kris "StinkyFPV": props that will allow you to get that turn on a dime kind of thing
[1450.44] Kris "StinkyFPV": into and out of whatever it is you're doing.
[1452.72] Kris "StinkyFPV": As long as you've got the battery to do it.
[1454.76] Stephen: As long as you've got the battery, as long as your LiPo is not screaming at you.
[1458.24] Stephen: Speaking of screaming LiPo is one thing that's kind of exploded
[1462.52] Stephen: over the last couple of years has been going from from everyone
[1465.96] Stephen: but everyone flying PH 2.0 and hating it.
[1469.12] Stephen: So through a brief phrase where people are like,
[1471.32] Stephen: I'll just sold an XT 30 on with like Bob Ruggie in that flying the larger toothpick stuff.
[1477.44] Stephen: And now we're seeing like, what are we up to?
[1480.2] Stephen: Three different standards for plus the BT 2.0.
[1484.4] Stephen: There's a beta FB one and GMB one and a third one that appeared recently.
[1489.04] Stephen: So what's the deal with all that?
[1491.6] Kris "StinkyFPV": So as I understand it, so BT 2.0 came in and because it's essentially something like it's
[1499.68] Kris "StinkyFPV": tantamount to like an XT 10.
[1501.92] Kris "StinkyFPV": So it just allows a lot more current to pass through.
[1505.0] Kris "StinkyFPV": So it's better than either the rolled or folded pins that you can get from the PH connectors.
[1510.84] Kris "StinkyFPV": So it's just it just allows a lot more current to pass through.
[1514.84] Kris "StinkyFPV": But as I understood it, I think beta FPV had because it was it was a
[1520.6] Kris "StinkyFPV": licensed product from beta FPV.
[1524.0] Kris "StinkyFPV": So a lot of people didn't want to miss.
[1526.24] Kris "StinkyFPV": I don't think a lot of companies wanted to pay the license and then
[1530.36] Stephen: GMB just come up with the Apple accessory route then like.
[1532.8] Stephen: Yeah, of course, anyone can use this if you pay us.
[1536.36] Kris "StinkyFPV": Yeah, pretty much. Yeah.
[1538.08] Kris "StinkyFPV": And I think most companies did sort of like because you just saw a lot of pilots switch to BT 2.0.
[1542.44] Kris "StinkyFPV": So anyone that was making a LiPo would probably see a dip in PH battery sales.
[1546.48] Kris "StinkyFPV": So they just thought, OK, if we're making these little one S sticks
[1549.96] Kris "StinkyFPV": and people just aren't using them because of the PH connector, let's switch over.
[1554.68] Kris "StinkyFPV": But GMB did something rather clever, actually.
[1556.68] Kris "StinkyFPV": They've if you heard of the A30.
[1560.48] Kris "StinkyFPV": So this is new connector that's just come out, which is pretty much exactly the same as a BT 2 connector.
[1565.56] Kris "StinkyFPV": But what they've done is they've put a groove on the LiPo side.
[1570.48] Kris "StinkyFPV": So it's kind of like a guide groove so that the connector is comparably different to the BT 2 connector that it doesn't infringe on anything.
[1579.28] Kris "StinkyFPV": But you can actually still use BT 2 LiPo in the plug.
[1583.52] Kris "StinkyFPV": So it's brilliant.
[1585.56] Kris "StinkyFPV": So I think a lot of people are a lot of people are switching over potentially to the A30.
[1589.2] Kris "StinkyFPV": It's a much of a muchness, really, if even they're exactly the same.
[1593.6] Kris "StinkyFPV": They're both they both deliver the same amount of current and they're both the same size.
[1598.52] Stephen: What's your preference? What do you find easier?
[1600.32] Stephen: Because ultimately, it's like can I easily buy the battery leads and can I easily buy the batteries?
[1606.0] Stephen: What's the easiest to get hold of?
[1609.6] Kris "StinkyFPV": So I use sticks now, so I don't actually have any battery leads.
[1613.76] Kris "StinkyFPV": So the lead comes on the connector itself, which is a BT 2 connector.
[1621.26] Kris "StinkyFPV": But most of the LiPo's I buy a stick LiPo, so they actually have a connector on the top rather than a cable.
[1627.66] Kris "StinkyFPV": Again, a weight savings thing.
[1630.26] Kris "StinkyFPV": But for connectors on the actual website, it doesn't really matter.
[1633.3] Kris "StinkyFPV": You can use the A30 or the BT or well, if pH if you're using pH batteries.
[1637.98] Kris "StinkyFPV": But for any LiPo that has a BT 2 connector on it, you can use an A30 or a BT on the WOOP.
[1645.22] Stephen: Is it just what the easiest type of LiPo to get?
[1648.34] Stephen: So it's BT 2, the one the best selection.
[1652.66] Kris "StinkyFPV": Tattoo probably tattoo are probably the best ones or the easiest ones to get hold of.
[1657.66] Kris "StinkyFPV": There always seems to be a good stock on AliExpress for those plus all the major companies in America,
[1662.18] Kris "StinkyFPV": like Tinywoop and Weebleeds, and I think FYS Crafts.
[1667.46] Kris "StinkyFPV": They generally stock all of those now, BT 2 LiPo's.
[1672.26] Kris "StinkyFPV": But it's just the name of the actual connector.
[1677.82] Kris "StinkyFPV": So that's what I would advise anyone to go for if they were looking to buy some LiPo's.
[1682.94] Kris "StinkyFPV": pH is absolutely fine.
[1684.3] Kris "StinkyFPV": If you're just getting into it, pH is absolutely fine.
[1687.74] Kris "StinkyFPV": It's going to give you enough light time and it's going to get you in the air.
[1691.82] Kris "StinkyFPV": The LiPo's will last just as long as BT 2.
[1693.98] Stephen: I use them for my lazy house cruising.
[1695.98] Stephen: I've got like a mob light, which is 19 grams on a 75 mil frame and
[1701.74] Stephen: can cruise around the house on a pH 2.0.
[1704.46] Stephen: I'm not pushing it and it gets me like five minutes in the air.
[1707.74] Stephen: So at that rate, it's enough to get that sort of power throughs on such an efficient quad,
[1713.9] Kris "StinkyFPV": if it's not very simple.
[1716.3] Kris "StinkyFPV": So because I mainly race them, most of my, pretty much all of my LiPo's are BT 2 connectors.
[1723.82] Kris "StinkyFPV": So it just makes it easier for me to, if I'm going to do some sort of like cruising or freestyling,
[1728.94] Kris "StinkyFPV": I'll just use the same LiPo's essentially.
[1731.42] Kris "StinkyFPV": But it doesn't really matter if you're just starting out.
[1733.42] Kris "StinkyFPV": If you're racing, then I would probably say, or I would push you to go towards BT 2,
[1738.22] Kris "StinkyFPV": just because you're just going to, it eliminates that sag towards the middle and the end of the
[1743.26] Kris "StinkyFPV": battery. When you're really pushing to try and finish off your three laps or however many laps
[1747.26] Kris "StinkyFPV": you're doing, you're just not going to feel that sag and you can keep pushing it.
[1751.26] Stephen: And it would be wonderful to like take off and not instantly be down to like 3.6 volts.
[1756.54] Stephen: That would be, that'd be awesome.
[1759.42] Kris "StinkyFPV": Yeah. That's the other thing as well.
[1760.54] Kris "StinkyFPV": Yeah. When you take off, you still have four volts just for about five seconds and then,
[1765.18] Kris "StinkyFPV": then you're into the threes.
[1766.38] Kris "StinkyFPV": But it's really good. So yeah, so BT 2 LiPo's for chargers, there's, there's so many different
[1774.14] Kris "StinkyFPV": options for chargers at the moment. The Whoop Store is the main one that everyone's getting
[1779.1] Kris "StinkyFPV": at the moment, because it just makes, it just takes a lot of the pain out of the process.
[1783.5] Kris "StinkyFPV": Really, you can storage charge them very easily on that. So I would recommend the Whoop Store
[1790.38] Kris "StinkyFPV": if anyone was going to get one. In terms of a full quad, a bind and fly is pretty good.
[1799.16] Kris "StinkyFPV": If you're just starting out and you want to get into it, I would probably recommend or point you
[1803.16] Kris "StinkyFPV": towards a bind and fly, which is you get the whole thing in one, essentially for maybe a hundred
[1809.16] Kris "StinkyFPV": quid and that happy model do them. You get the happy model, maybe the six and maybe the seven
[1814.76] Kris "StinkyFPV": beta FPV have got them. Oh, that's the Whoop Store. Yeah. So that's, that's the goal to send
[1821.0] Kris "StinkyFPV": for any Whoop pilot, essentially. Yeah, it really gives you, it just takes the pain out. So you can,
[1829.72] Kris "StinkyFPV": you can change straight up to storage charging those LiPo's the moment you've used them.
[1833.48] Kris "StinkyFPV": Because it was always a bit of a pain to storage charge and back down to 3.85 volts.
[1839.32] Kris "StinkyFPV": You'd have to either hawk the charger or you'd have to know your charger well enough that you
[1844.76] Stephen: could type the input as well. So you can just take like a phone power bank and charge a Whoop
[1850.76] Kris "StinkyFPV": that's handy. Yeah. Looks interesting. Yeah. So that's, they're kind of like the standard
[1857.72] Kris "StinkyFPV": now to be honest with you. They came, this is like version three that you're looking at the moment,
[1862.6] Kris "StinkyFPV": but they are, yeah, they just, they just make life a lot easier.
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[1892.6] Stephen: take to get storage charging on Whoops? It seemed, seems like an eternity. It was like five years
[1898.36] Stephen: before a product came out that would actually storage charge rather than you just take a handful
[1903.0] Stephen: of fistful of puffy cells out of the bag. When you go, I'd say it's probably only been in the last
[1909.88] Kris "StinkyFPV": year and a half that we've actually had a solution like the Whoop store to, to just remove it. I've
[1916.04] Kris "StinkyFPV": been using like a parallel board on my, on my sky RC charger. And I've just been having to parallel
[1923.88] Kris "StinkyFPV": charge parallel storage on those ones. It's not ideal at all. Yeah. So it does make it a lot easier.
[1930.52] Curry: It is. And if you, modern charges still won't do it. And I've even asked about it. Like last time
[1936.12] Curry: I looked at a charger and it's like, can you do, can you do one S storage on this? No, no.
[1941.16] Curry: That's, that's another thing. So yeah, I think the Whoop store is the only thing,
[1945.0] Curry: the only sort of commercial product I know about that will storage charge one S's.
[1949.88] Curry: And that could do one S off of a parallel. Yeah, you can do it in parallel with a parallel board,
[1956.6] Curry: but then you're just treating like each one. No, no, no, you can do it as a one S on a parallel board.
[1961.8] Stephen: It'll take a one S cell, but in order to get one S to work, it expects the one S cell to present
[1967.72] Stephen: a voltage both on like the, on the, the JST. So on the, whatever it's called, the balance port
[1978.12] Stephen: and the other port. So what you have to do is you have to bridge the one S pin on the balance port
[1983.88] Stephen: with the actual charge pin. That's like an XD 30 and then put a B a pH two off that or something.
[1991.08] Stephen: So you like split the lipos so it goes to both. So you can make a lead that way. Yeah. And then
[1998.36] Stephen: it thinks, Oh yeah, I can do that because it's a, I can balance charge this one S even though it's
[2002.84] Stephen: one S and balance charge doesn't mean anything with one S cell against the other non-cells.
[2010.2] Stephen: And yeah, there's some dumb logic in there where even if it's one cell, it's like,
[2014.12] Stephen: I must have it connected to both. Otherwise I won't be able to tell what voltage the individual
[2018.2] Stephen: cell is at. There's only one cell make that leap. Interesting. I mean,
[2028.2] Frank: I was just seeing num skulls posted something about a crossfire something. So what, what radio
[2038.04] Frank: stuff is, is generally common. Cause I mean, last time I was, had anything to do with works,
[2043.08] Frank: it was like the, the SPI receivers on their fast guy. So it was a bit of, a bit of a while ago.
[2049.08] Kris "StinkyFPV": Exactly. Yeah. So it, well, ERS basically is, it came out and it just kind of a blue,
[2055.88] Kris "StinkyFPV": blew all the competition for me anyway, it blew all the competition out of the water. And I
[2059.16] Kris "StinkyFPV": didn't really see the point in using another receiver type. I mean, they've got crossfire
[2064.68] Kris "StinkyFPV": whoops out now. And I think there's a lot of people that are rejoicing now that it's like,
[2070.2] Kris "StinkyFPV": finally it's taken that long to get out. But for a radio, anything that actually has an ERS
[2076.52] Kris "StinkyFPV": protocol built in. Oh, it's just the crossfire. Yeah. I think a lot of people would have been,
[2081.88] Kris "StinkyFPV": they've been asking for this for a very long time. And Nubidrone finally came to market with it. And
[2086.6] Kris "StinkyFPV": I think everyone was like, yay, finally. I don't really want an antenna that's twice the size of
[2092.12] Kris "StinkyFPV": my quad. Yeah. I personally don't use it. Just cause I find the, the ERS antennas are just tiny
[2103.64] Kris "StinkyFPV": as hell. Either it's a little ceramic tower, which is very, very tiny or it's a copper wire.
[2111.88] Kris "StinkyFPV": Yeah. And the distance you can get on those things. It's just in comparison to like FRS guy
[2116.68] Kris "StinkyFPV": and the old protocols, it's just unreal. It's crazy. And I had this conversation with all
[2122.68] Kris "StinkyFPV": my friends at the club. He doesn't seem to think he can feel the difference between,
[2127.88] Kris "StinkyFPV": or the latency difference between ELRS and say, oh, FRS guy, I certainly could.
[2132.68] Kris "StinkyFPV": And at the moment I had, I started using LRS. It was like, oh, whoa, okay. I'm actually in
[2136.68] Kris "StinkyFPV": control of this now. This is responding to what I'm telling it to do. And I'm,
[2140.68] Kris "StinkyFPV": I'm not getting micro fail safes or telemetry issues when I'm literally about 10 meters away
[2147.16] Stephen: from myself. Yeah. You don't just fly behind yourself and then suddenly find that the quads
[2153.7] Stephen: on the floor for no reason. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much. I feel like we're just watching Steven do
[2158.66] Stephen: some shopping now. He was recommending earlier. So that was 75 quid. What I was going to point
[2165.62] Stephen: people to was that the one he was talking about earlier, which I do have myself. I've got a couple
[2170.98] Stephen: of these, the little diamond F4 board. It's absolutely minute and it weighs almost nothing.
[2178.34] Stephen: And it's got a VTX built on us as well. So if you can get them, you see, just plug your camera in
[2184.02] Stephen: there and then some solder pads, the motors. And you have to solder the motors, but it's designed
[2189.22] Stephen: to be super light. So yeah, you end up with some impressive flight times. Once you've got this kind
[2195.22] Kris "StinkyFPV": of weight saving. Yeah. It's sort of the average weight for a race work these days, I think is,
[2201.14] Kris "StinkyFPV": is around 16 to 17 grams. Yeah. It's as tiny as hell. It is really, really lights, but
[2209.38] Kris "StinkyFPV": you've got people who normally come into those compositions and they've made frame modifications.
[2213.62] Kris "StinkyFPV": They've got ultra lightweight canopies. I've seen one guy come in. He had gone round and dremeled
[2222.02] Kris "StinkyFPV": holes in the, the whoop ducks on the entire frame. He'd literally systematically gone around
[2227.62] Kris "StinkyFPV": the entire frame and dremeled holes in it as a, as an attempt to save weight. So people do to,
[2232.34] Stephen: do go to extreme lengths to try and Oh, and the Reni screws as well. I've forgotten about them.
[2238.18] Stephen: Impossible, extremely expensive screws that are tiny. Yeah. There's nylon glass screws.
[2244.26] Kris "StinkyFPV": They do actually crazy enough. They do actually save you some weight, but
[2248.98] Stephen: your grand pinch in there, like 50 pence of screw as well. And you can only buy them in bags of a
[2254.34] Kris "StinkyFPV": thousand or something stupid. They are ridiculous. Yeah. What we tend to do is we do a group order.
[2261.94] Kris "StinkyFPV": So we put like a post out on Facebook and to everyone and say, Hey, we're going to do some,
[2265.78] Kris "StinkyFPV": we're going to buy some screws. And then we try and get as many people involved in this possible
[2270.66] Kris "StinkyFPV": that way. Yeah. It takes the cost out of it quite a bit. Someone needs to just parcel them up and do
[2276.02] Kris "StinkyFPV": bags of 20 of them on eBay. Well, I'm junkie. Um, he used to sell them. So there's, um, sadly
[2283.94] Kris "StinkyFPV": it's not up anymore. Um, it closed down this year. Uh, it was race castle and drone junkie.
[2288.58] Kris "StinkyFPV": And the chat that run it, um, Jim, he, he had a bunch of running screws that I bought from him.
[2295.86] Kris "StinkyFPV": I just thought that was easiest because it was, he's based in the UK. He's selling them quite
[2300.34] Kris "StinkyFPV": cheap, but he, when I spoke to him, he's like, it's the pain in the ass to get them because
[2304.82] Kris "StinkyFPV": they cost the bloody bundle and he, and they have to, we have to wait weeks for them to come
[2308.26] Stephen: from China sometimes. So, and then he's got to spend hours, pour it one massive bag of screws
[2312.9] Frank: into hundreds of tiny bags. Yeah. Yeah. He allows you to like, you only gave me 19. I ordered 20.
[2322.18] Kris "StinkyFPV": Yeah. I think if I remember correctly, you could order it per screw,
[2325.22] Kris "StinkyFPV": which I thought was a bit of a bit of a weird thing to do really. Yeah.
[2329.38] Frank: So by weight shouldn't usually announce
[2334.42] Stephen: it's a lot of screws in little bags for that as well.
[2344.02] Curry: So what about video system? Is that stayed analog because it's easier and lighter or have people
[2349.7] Curry: started to transition to HD zero or was there no advantage in this sort of scale of racing?
[2355.78] Kris "StinkyFPV": So analog does have the advantage because with HD zero, you're immediately adding
[2362.42] Kris "StinkyFPV": a straight up four gram VTX to the whole, to the whole setup. So which is like 19 grams.
[2371.22] Stephen: You're adding like an extra quarter of the weight straight on there.
[2375.78] Kris "StinkyFPV": Whoops become obese. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's a lot of people out there are doing
[2381.7] Kris "StinkyFPV": really good work to try and, um, reduce the weight by printing these foam, um,
[2388.18] Kris "StinkyFPV": these light foam, dense canopies or trying to do their own grommets. Um, personally, my methods
[2396.42] Kris "StinkyFPV": is to take a pair of snips and start cutting away at the frame because there's small things like
[2401.22] Kris "StinkyFPV": you could do, like cut some spokes away. It doesn't really say the VTX for a second.
[2406.1] Kris "StinkyFPV": Yeah. So what they, so they give you a UFL connector on there. If you want to have a UFL,
[2417.06] Kris "StinkyFPV": but I actually sold a copper wire to the active element on it, just because it's, it's
[2423.7] Kris "StinkyFPV": point one four of a gram say you're going to be what, like 10 meters away from the whoops.
[2428.58] Kris "StinkyFPV": So who cares? Yeah. Um, well, even on that thing, I could still fly up to about
[2432.42] Kris "StinkyFPV": 200 foot and I still get clear signal on the VTX with a copper wire. So it's absolutely fine.
[2438.98] Kris "StinkyFPV": I raced HD zero at pop. Um, this year, um, took first place on the first day. Didn't mean to
[2449.94] Kris "StinkyFPV": winning my winning the competition I'd set up. Um, it's great to be honest with you. I,
[2455.7] Kris "StinkyFPV": I, if I could, I would fly HD zero all the time, or I race HD zero all the time. It's just the
[2462.9] Kris "StinkyFPV": clarity of image that you get. You can, everything is telegraphed. Everything is, you can see so
[2468.66] Kris "StinkyFPV": clearly with it. There's no latency problems. Um, even when you're, maybe you've got four or five
[2476.42] Kris "StinkyFPV": whoops coming up to a gate. Um, and depending on what antenna setup you've got on your goggles,
[2482.58] Kris "StinkyFPV": uh, when analog whoops crossover, you could potentially get, uh, bleeding on signal or you
[2487.78] Kris "StinkyFPV": could just get some fuzz in the screen. I just don't get that with, uh, with HDZ. I get maybe
[2492.66] Kris "StinkyFPV": a little bit of speckles, you know, the rainbow speckles, but I mean, that happens split second
[2497.22] Kris "StinkyFPV": and then I'm, I'm clear picture again. So HDZ for me, um, I would recommend anyone to do HDZ.
[2506.34] Kris "StinkyFPV": It's if you're going to do it though, um, make sure you, you print a canopy that can cover or
[2512.98] Kris "StinkyFPV": encase the entire VTX because otherwise you'll just have a camera that sits right at the very
[2518.18] Kris "StinkyFPV": front of it and you'll have all this VTX space at the back that's exposed unless you want to
[2522.42] Kris "StinkyFPV": run the shields, but the shields themselves will add more weight on top of it. So it just becomes a
[2528.26] Stephen: losing fight in the end. And you've got that little Mippy cable. You've got to squirrel away
[2532.66] Stephen: and make sure it doesn't get snagged on anything as well. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess that's the ultimate
[2537.3] Kris "StinkyFPV": weak point for me. Uh, I don't, the Mippy cable is, is a real weak point. If you're not very careful
[2545.3] Kris "StinkyFPV": with how you place it, uh, a small prang dent, one of those tiny little microfibered cables and
[2553.06] Kris "StinkyFPV": that's it, that's the Mippy cable gone and you'll have to go and pay six quid to buy another one.
[2558.42] Kris "StinkyFPV": And that's what I've, I've gone through quite a lot of Mippy cables doing that, just trying to
[2562.26] Kris "StinkyFPV": find the best way to mount it, to try and mount the cable so that it doesn't hit anything. Um,
[2567.86] Kris "StinkyFPV": put foam under the camera canopy to try and sort of protect it.
[2573.94] Kris "StinkyFPV": Yeah, essentially. If you're flying it in a bigger quads, I've never had any, I've never heard of
[2577.86] Kris "StinkyFPV": anyone flying anything bigger than a warp with the HD zero have a Mippy problem because it's the
[2582.66] Kris "StinkyFPV": Mippy's under like five inches or five millimeters of carbon. So it's never going to get larger quads.
[2588.82] Stephen: So I tended to damage those cables on DJI by yoinking them under something when I was
[2594.66] Stephen: installing them or trying to fold them around a sharp bend. But once they were installed,
[2599.14] Kris "StinkyFPV": I never had any issues. Yeah, exactly. And it's the same thing. Um, it just becomes,
[2605.86] Kris "StinkyFPV": there becomes a challenge to find the correct mounting solution when you're putting it,
[2611.62] Kris "StinkyFPV": because you can run the VTX on top. You can run it underneath in the frame.
[2616.34] Kris "StinkyFPV": There's just loads of different variations and options, um, on how you actually build the
[2620.42] Stephen: whip itself. Do you think the weight is going to encourage people to have like digital only races
[2626.58] Stephen: where there's more of a level playing field and people can bask in the beautiful technical glory
[2631.54] Stephen: of that picture without worrying about being undertaken by some stinking kid on a 15 gram
[2638.82] Kris "StinkyFPV": lightning fast boot? I hope so. Well, eventually, yeah. Um, we've started to pop them did include
[2644.5] Kris "StinkyFPV": HD zero this year. And I would like to do that going forward. Maybe have a spec HD zero race where
[2651.3] Kris "StinkyFPV": the, the all up weight is going to be sort of 21 grams or something like that.
[2656.02] Kris "StinkyFPV": Any 21 grams and above, uh, they actually do a spec race at the moment in America.
[2660.34] Kris "StinkyFPV": It's called the underground whoop leak and it's 75 mil based. I think the all up weight for that
[2666.02] Kris "StinkyFPV": has to be 40 grams. So if you build like, yeah, if you build something like, I think it's 40
[2670.82] Kris "StinkyFPV": grams, including the battery, that's quite a lot, isn't it? It is quite the whole idea is to, it,
[2677.22] Kris "StinkyFPV": it makes the 75 mil feel slightly more like a bigger quads. So you can't just throw it into
[2682.9] Kris "StinkyFPV": turns and expect it to respond because you're going to have too much inertia and weight in
[2687.3] Kris "StinkyFPV": your drift out of the corner. So you just, it levels the playing field so that it now becomes
[2693.22] Kris "StinkyFPV": about the skill of the pilot. Uh, when you're doing these races and I've seen some of them,
[2698.5] Kris "StinkyFPV": uh, they look fantastic. You can still go really fast and the courses are tailored to be slightly
[2704.42] Kris "StinkyFPV": different with a whip track. You probably have a gate here, a gate there, a gate here, a gate
[2707.62] Kris "StinkyFPV": there. And it'd just be like a carnage of going through it. But these ones are just sort of like
[2711.06] Kris "StinkyFPV": gliding through sweeping turns more like an American car as well. So they probably feel
[2715.94] Stephen: more at home. You know, you can't, can't turn unless you're practically stopped. Otherwise
[2720.58] Kris "StinkyFPV": you got wobbled. Yeah, there's a few of those in there. So I would love to do a spec HDZ race. If
[2728.18] Kris "StinkyFPV": I could get one in the UK, I think a lot of people would probably say at the moment, it's just a bit
[2733.54] Kris "StinkyFPV": too heavy. And, and I, so this is speculation in my own head with, um, because like Carl's come
[2742.66] Kris "StinkyFPV": out recently with like a V3 for the race, VTX, I'm kind of of the mindset that a V2 for the
[2747.94] Kris "StinkyFPV": whipboard is coming out at some point. I mean, it has to, we've had that whipboard for a year
[2752.74] Kris "StinkyFPV": and a half now it's due an update. So potentially a lighter VTX is around the corner. I don't
[2760.26] Kris "StinkyFPV": necessarily know, but that would be fantastic when they get through their backlog of chips
[2765.14] Stephen: that are sitting in their warehouse, I guess. And then they go to print some more and maybe
[2769.06] Stephen: there's a smaller option available to them, makes everything smaller and lighter. That would be
[2773.94] Kris "StinkyFPV": great. I suppose. So you've got, there are a couple of pilots in the industry that are trying to push
[2778.26] Kris "StinkyFPV": to, uh, get manufacturers to make products that are lighter. So you've just had the beta, um, air
[2784.9] Kris "StinkyFPV": frame that's just come out. It's a 65 mil frame, but they've used less material in the injection
[2790.58] Kris "StinkyFPV": mold. So it's much lighter. Um, it has much lower profile. And I think a lot of people are going to
[2795.86] Kris "StinkyFPV": transition to the airframe going forward just because it's, it's lighter overall. Um, you know,
[2803.06] Kris "StinkyFPV": flying these Trinity university. Is that, is that whoop related? So I just saw Caroline's
[2808.82] Kris "StinkyFPV": message. It is indeed. Yeah. That's brilliant. Actually. I did reach out, um, to a lot of the
[2819.46] Kris "StinkyFPV": people that I know that do work racing around the UK and in, uh, Europe just to get a list of things
[2826.26] Kris "StinkyFPV": to, to sort of reel off. Um, so if I do it from the beginning of the year, you have this competition
[2834.74] Kris "StinkyFPV": run, it's called the Birmingham international, uh, race day. And it's, it's hosted by a chap called
[2840.26] Kris "StinkyFPV": Matt Snell. And it's a fantastic, it's an international competition. Last year we had
[2847.3] Kris "StinkyFPV": people from Germany, people from Italy, people from Poland to come over and, uh, a chap called
[2853.22] Kris "StinkyFPV": Phobos, uh, won the race. But that's a really, that's a really intense competition. Um, and
[2860.02] Kris "StinkyFPV": appended to that, that weekend we do what we do a whoop house. So we, we hire a big house,
[2866.74] Kris "StinkyFPV": get as many people to stay there as possible. And we do like a mini competition and races in
[2870.66] Kris "StinkyFPV": the actual house as well. That was brilliant. Last year we had so much fun doing that.
[2876.26] Kris "StinkyFPV": So that's in January, uh, normally hosted, uh, in, uh, in Birmingham, uh, in January,
[2884.58] Kris "StinkyFPV": the, the next one is the, uh, wins and wheels is the next big event. Um,
[2889.62] Frank: if you're aware of wins and wheels, I believe, yeah, wheels, middle of June, sort of that one.
[2896.58] Kris "StinkyFPV": Yeah. Uh, that's hosted by, there's a group of people that call themselves,
[2901.78] Kris "StinkyFPV": we're called the whoop council. Um, we're, we're a group of people that are trying to
[2909.06] Kris "StinkyFPV": create more whoop events in the UK. So we've all come together. Um, and we're all pulling our
[2914.18] Kris "StinkyFPV": resources, um, all of our equipment, gates, uh, HDC VRX is event VRX is things like that to try and,
[2922.5] Kris "StinkyFPV": um, such reduced the cost, uh, for anyone that's having to sort of wants to do something like this.
[2928.98] Kris "StinkyFPV": Um, and we're trying to sort of host more. So I used a lot of the things that they,
[2932.26] Kris "StinkyFPV": they supplied for pop them, which was really useful. So there's, there's wings and wheels pop.
[2938.34] Kris "StinkyFPV": Um, we hope to make a calendar feature going forwards. I think we had, we had a really good
[2944.1] Kris "StinkyFPV": time this year around. So I think the guys in the airfield were quite happy with the response.
[2949.86] Kris "StinkyFPV": So hopefully next year we can, we can do another one. Yeah. Um, then towards
[2957.78] Kris "StinkyFPV": say that's around September time. And then towards the end of the year,
[2961.86] Kris "StinkyFPV": you've got SGDC, uh, it's the South Gloucester drone club based in Bristol.
[2968.18] Kris "StinkyFPV": They do a little mini whooply cause it's like five, five whoop races, um, from October to January.
[2975.7] Kris "StinkyFPV": It's one, one race a month. Uh, and that's really good. Great little environment to,
[2980.02] Kris "StinkyFPV": to get involved with. Everyone's really, really helpful there. Uh, the clubs,
[2983.22] Kris "StinkyFPV": just a really nice club to, to visit actually. Uh, they've got this massive venue in a,
[2989.06] Kris "StinkyFPV": in a sports complex and the whoops, it's, it's, it's just really nice to go to.
[2994.82] Kris "StinkyFPV": So for big events, that's in the UK. That's all I'm aware of at the moment. I, um,
[3001.14] Kris "StinkyFPV": we hope we're going to make some more events, uh, in the coming years, but it's
[3007.86] Kris "StinkyFPV": because I've only been in this hobby for a couple of years.
[3010.1] Kris "StinkyFPV": And when I first joined the Hanworth group, they used to tell me that prior to me coming,
[3019.06] Kris "StinkyFPV": they, they hosted these work nights, but they, they were always chock-a-block with pilots.
[3024.02] Kris "StinkyFPV": They always had too many pilots to actually be able to get up and fly sort of thing. And then,
[3029.7] Kris "StinkyFPV": then COVID happened, lockdown happened, and now you, you kind of limited to maybe four or five
[3033.7] Kris "StinkyFPV": pilots, um, a night if you're lucky. So it's a bit difficult to do sort of like organized races like
[3039.14] Kris "StinkyFPV": that. So I, I, I, so the question is yet, how, how has the, how has the hobby peaked? You know,
[3045.38] Kris "StinkyFPV": have I come in at the, at the ass end of it and it's just kind of like tapering off now or,
[3050.26] Kris "StinkyFPV": so I think that's where the whip council comes in. They want to try and
[3054.18] Kris "StinkyFPV": promote, um, and generate more events for a lot of people to go to.
[3059.3] Frank: So if, if anyone is listening, who's like, has a little local group or something, um,
[3064.1] Frank: and wants to get involved, maybe host, uh, an event, a wider being a national event with,
[3070.58] Frank: how do they get in touch with the work council? Where, where, where's the light to shine in the
[3075.3] Kris "StinkyFPV": sky? They're, um, they're pretty uncontactable actually. I would say, yeah, it's a, it's just
[3082.1] Kris "StinkyFPV": a Facebook group. Um, I would say in the first instance, if you reach out to, I'm going to throw
[3087.78] Kris "StinkyFPV": names out now and they're probably going to kill me for this. Um, so you can, you can reach out to
[3091.3] Kris "StinkyFPV": myself. Um, my name is Chris Smith or Dettie McStinky. Um, Matt Snell, who runs the Birmingham
[3097.14] Kris "StinkyFPV": one, uh, Mike Brooks, who runs the drone racing Cornwall club, uh, Paul Jaggers, who runs the
[3107.54] Kris "StinkyFPV": London indoor flying club. Um, he actually, I think he doesn't necessarily run too. He does
[3112.26] Kris "StinkyFPV": the indoor London club, which is a bar in London, actually, which is a quite cool place to go and
[3116.9] Kris "StinkyFPV": fly. And then he also is a member of the Hanworth club, which is in Feltham. So if you reach out to
[3124.58] Kris "StinkyFPV": any one of us, I'm sure, I'm sure there was a few other names in the group that I'm forgetting,
[3129.14] Kris "StinkyFPV": but if you just reach out to one of us, um, we'll, we'll be in contact. Matt's really active in the
[3134.9] Kris "StinkyFPV": scene. Paul's active in the scene. So is Mike. So we all try to keep, um, as I read the ground as
[3142.5] Frank: much as possible with regards to any news for whipping in the UK outside of the council, uh,
[3152.02] Frank: where, where does sort of a lot of work stuff get, uh, sort of, where does it happen? Is it, is it
[3158.74] Frank: on Facebook? Is there a discord? Is it just people knowing each other? Yeah. So it is a bit of a,
[3168.74] Kris "StinkyFPV": I found it initially difficult at first to find information on this, but once you start, once you
[3174.74] Kris "StinkyFPV": find one FPV group, like it becomes a, you just, you just get introduced to all of them all of a
[3180.34] Kris "StinkyFPV": sudden. Um, so there's tiny whip UK. There's a Facebook group page on, um, called tiny whip,
[3187.86] Kris "StinkyFPV": tiny whip UK. And that's, uh, like, uh, we post a lot of information on there. If anyone's a member
[3194.5] Kris "StinkyFPV": of that, it's free to join. Um, you, you'll generally get most of the information that we
[3199.06] Kris "StinkyFPV": find out from there. Matt always shares posts from Birmingham, Mike shares posts. So all of
[3204.42] Kris "StinkyFPV": the information that we do get, we drop into that chat. So I would say it's not a chat, it's a
[3209.54] Kris "StinkyFPV": Facebook page. So tiny whip UK is probably the best place to go for that. Um, there isn't really
[3216.5] Kris "StinkyFPV": far short of that. It becomes a case of who you know, really. And that's, and that's the problem
[3221.38] Kris "StinkyFPV": with the hobby is, is cause it's so niche and it's so small. There are probably a league table
[3227.06] Kris "StinkyFPV": or website or something where people know. No. No. So that's one of the, the ideas that we're
[3232.5] Kris "StinkyFPV": actually bounding around at the moment is, is doing a whoop league that, that is done over a year
[3238.1] Kris "StinkyFPV": and over and it incorporates all of the, the big events. So they'll, they'll all contribute to
[3243.22] Kris "StinkyFPV": points over the, over the year in the league. Um, and they would also do something like set races.
[3250.18] Kris "StinkyFPV": So some one club would publish a track and then every other club has to race that track and set
[3256.34] Kris "StinkyFPV": the best time they could possibly set on that kind of that kind of interaction between clubs.
[3261.3] Kris "StinkyFPV": Cause there's, there's, there's only about four or five, well, five now that Caroline's just pointed
[3266.66] Kris "StinkyFPV": out one there that I wasn't aware of. Um, but there, there aren't that many clubs that I know
[3271.54] Kris "StinkyFPV": of in the UK. Um, you've got Hanworth, uh, you did have race cars or sadly that's not happening
[3278.58] Kris "StinkyFPV": anymore. Um, you have drone racing Cornwall, which is quite a big one drone circle is based
[3287.14] Kris "StinkyFPV": up in Manchester. They are trying to reignite. Um, they used to do a lot of local, uh, races,
[3296.1] Kris "StinkyFPV": but they're trying to reignite that. That one's done by Craig Hannon, um, and Dan Carpy, I believe.
[3303.86] Kris "StinkyFPV": Um, and those are the only ones that I kind of really know of, like the, the bigger clubs that
[3310.74] Kris "StinkyFPV": inter kind of interact SGD sees, I think is more five inch racing focus, but they do sort of like
[3317.54] Kris "StinkyFPV": in the, in the downtime, they do a little, the little mini whoop league. So it'd be good if we
[3320.98] Frank: could get one of them. Yeah. I mean, I'm, I'm sure there's, there must be a bunch of the
[3328.02] Frank: five inch quads clubs that, uh, you know, coming into winter are going to be
[3332.42] Frank: doing less and less. And I know just thinking about it, I mean, at the moment, the, uh, team
[3339.38] Frank: GBR, the, the five inch, uh, racing team that the BMFA sponsored to go out to Korea and do their
[3348.26] Frank: national racing. That's going on at the moment. They're at the world drone racing championship,
[3353.94] Frank: so which combination of words describes that event out in Korea at the moment. And, um, uh,
[3361.7] Frank: Cerberus who, uh, runs killer quads has just been made chairman of the BDRA. Um, I know he's,
[3370.02] Frank: he's held a tiny event before, so I wonder whether, you know, there might be some kind of
[3377.62] Frank: collaboration there. That would be nice. Yeah. So he, he works quite closely with Matt Snell,
[3382.74] Kris "StinkyFPV": actually. He did the, um, the race directing for Birmingham. I would suspect he's going to be doing
[3387.86] Kris "StinkyFPV": it again for the Birmingham coming up. So yeah, Cerberus has done quite a few things and
[3396.42] Kris "StinkyFPV": he does a little, he does do a little local whoop night at a pub in Birmingham. I can't
[3402.66] Kris "StinkyFPV": remember what nights though they are though. Just thinking about actually there's two more. There is,
[3407.62] Kris "StinkyFPV": there is a tiny whoop club in Hull, but I can't remember who runs it. Um, and there is a whoop
[3414.42] Kris "StinkyFPV": night hosted down in Brighton by a chap called Mike Pinker. Jack, Jack, you must know this person.
[3423.38] Stephen: Come back to us. Also, if there's any web developers out there who like tiny whoop,
[3429.7] Stephen: please, please for the love of God, someone just put all this information somewhere,
[3433.7] Stephen: people can find it screaming out for it clearly. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's probably a
[3438.9] Kris "StinkyFPV": takeaway for me off of this is to actually try and consolidate somewhere that's easy for everyone.
[3445.38] Kris "StinkyFPV": To have access to this information for sure, where we can then post up all of this, um,
[3450.26] Kris "StinkyFPV": this good stuff and can get people involved. It sounds like people have a magic list of
[3455.46] Stephen: bookmarks. And once you've got this magic list of like 37 special bookmarks to various groups and
[3460.9] Stephen: forums on the internet, you're on the inside. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. You definitely much on
[3467.94] Kris "StinkyFPV": the outside looking in and then we might invite you in and then, you know, we'll assess if we like
[3472.98] Kris "StinkyFPV": you or not first. And if we like you, you're going to take the knowledge and you've got to
[3477.06] Stephen: be able to recite the 37 whoop chapters of the UK without prompting because you're not allowed
[3484.58] Curry: to write it down and you will be judged by the whoop council and your entry loaded on
[3492.98] Kris "StinkyFPV": punishments are quite severe out here. So be careful. It's actually, uh, the community is
[3499.38] Kris "StinkyFPV": really, really helpful. This one of the boons about this hobby is the, the community behind
[3504.18] Kris "StinkyFPV": tiny whoops and bigger quads in general are just so friendly and so helpful that you could just
[3510.18] Kris "StinkyFPV": turn up with a bind and fly goggles and a radio and say, I don't know what I'm doing. And someone
[3514.9] Kris "StinkyFPV": will sit down, work it through with you, get you in the air. I think that's what, I think that's
[3520.66] Kris "StinkyFPV": what we really liked the most about it is everyone is just, even if you're racing someone and you're
[3524.58] Kris "StinkyFPV": in a competition and their work just suddenly just crashes out, you get like 10 pilots come
[3530.1] Kris "StinkyFPV": running over to him. What can we do? Here's some props. Here's a frame. Here's a flight controller.
[3534.26] Stephen: It's so much more friendly for beginners as well. Like the stakes are that much lower than trying
[3539.06] Stephen: to like scream around with a six, six S five inch, which, you know, could do serious damage with a
[3545.46] Stephen: little whoop like, Oh no, you hit me in the head. Oh, I'm fine. Yeah. Yeah. Well, after all, yeah,
[3552.58] Kris "StinkyFPV": there is a thing called face punching in the, in the hobby, which is basically just flying your
[3556.58] Kris "StinkyFPV": whip into someone's face. They're so like, they're just not going to cause, I mean, the whip would
[3561.86] Kris "StinkyFPV": end up worse off than it flying into your face. It is so light, but that's enough to watch out.
[3567.54] Kris "StinkyFPV": That's the only thing. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's why we usually target Tony, I think.
[3574.34] Kris "StinkyFPV": Yeah. Unfortunately I've had the whip caught in my hair a few times. That's that's painful.
[3578.66] Stephen: Challenging. Please, please. Someone, someone must have a proper move at all. Please, please.
[3586.66] Kris "StinkyFPV": It normally just results in you pulling it out and you left up with these giant
[3589.22] Kris "StinkyFPV": curls in your hair that just stay there for weeks. Could be worse. Yeah. Yeah.
[3595.06] Kris "StinkyFPV": So, um, I did want to, there was a, one other thing as well. Um, there is, uh, a friend of
[3601.78] Kris "StinkyFPV": my Martian McFly is hosting a whip night on the 20th of October. Um, that one is in Essex.
[3609.38] Kris "StinkyFPV": I might be going to that if I can get myself to it, but it's, it's just a one night whip fun. Um,
[3615.3] Kris "StinkyFPV": Martian's a really nice guy. He's actually one of those people. He got me into winding my own
[3620.5] Kris "StinkyFPV": motors. Um, he's an absolute nut job. He just, he loves it. I don't know. One of those people
[3627.22] Kris "StinkyFPV": that likes that kind of pain. Here he is. Hello. So yeah. So if anyone is actually interested in
[3638.34] Kris "StinkyFPV": actually getting into, uh, winding your own motors, uh, tap up Martian, great source of
[3643.62] Kris "StinkyFPV": information. Really friendly video, right? If you are looking for him on YouTube.
[3648.82] Kris "StinkyFPV": Yeah. He's done a few videos. I think he's doing something. He's planning something a little bit
[3652.9] Kris "StinkyFPV": more where he's actually going to put a lot of information online for people to actually go and
[3656.98] Kris "StinkyFPV": see. Cause there is, there is a, there is a few people out there that are now starting to do that.
[3665.7] Stephen: I've done a lot of stuff with quads, but I've never considered winding a motor. Anytime I've
[3669.78] Stephen: looked at the information, shied away from it. So, uh, kudos. It's all I can say there.
[3675.62] Kris "StinkyFPV": Yeah. Especially on those 702 motors. Oh my word.
[3678.98] Kris "StinkyFPV": You just, you go blind after 10 minutes.
[3686.18] Frank: Well, thank you very much. Hopefully we've, we've kind of collected together an entire body of
[3692.02] Frank: knowledge of works, uh, into one episode. Um, well, hopefully there's sort of more events
[3699.86] Frank: come out of it. Cause, uh, you know, I'm sure there are a lot of people that are flying in
[3706.1] Frank: their own spaces. Uh, I've seen lots of tiny whips just going around after like, uh, a day
[3713.7] Frank: at the fields. So I'm sure they're around. Be good to kind of network everyone back together.
[3719.06] Kris "StinkyFPV": Uh, yeah. There are a lot of, um, in solo whoop flyers. And I think there are a lot of other
[3729.38] Kris "StinkyFPV": people that are potentially wanting to get into something that not so much serious, but wanting
[3734.34] Kris "StinkyFPV": to join a group of people that are all like-minded and just have fun flying the work. So if, if anyone
[3740.98] Kris "StinkyFPV": wants to get in contact or all needs help arranging an event, please reach out. Um, we're really happy
[3746.98] Kris "StinkyFPV": to do so. In fact, we'll encourage and we'll try and make it the best event we can for you guys.
[3753.69] Frank: Yeah. Awesome. Well, hopefully all that happens, but thank you very much for coming along tonight.
[3759.85] Frank: Thanks for having me. Wow. It's been great. Uh, you have been listening to Let's Drone
[3765.05] Frank: Out. Tonight we have had Curry. Goodbye. We've had Steven. Good luck to all you whoop flyers
[3773.21] Frank: over the winter. We've had Chris slash 30 McStinky. Adios. And I have been Andrew S. Frank.
[3782.89] Frank: Jack left us early in the show. Uh, hopefully we'll see him again shortly, but thank you for
[3789.05] Frank: listening to Let's Drone Out and good night. Thanks to our wonderful Patreons at the bottom
[3794.01] Stephen: as well for keeping the show going. Good night everyone. Telemetry lost.