=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 439 ===
Title: LDO 439 - Never Knowingly Broadcastable
Recorded: 2024-01-25
Hosts: Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 952
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvfsgrsUEBA); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1727779287-letsdroneout-ldo-439-never-knowingly-broadcastable.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello, and you're listening to Let's Drone Out, a special thank you to our lovely patrons
[6.28] Jack: that help donate so that we can pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things
[11.36] Jack: we say.
[13.0] Jack: Massive thank you to…
[14.4] Jack: Carlos Campos!
[16.12] Jack: Art Faulkner!
[17.84] Frank: Sam Dahmer.
[19.68] Frank: On with the show.
[20.68] Jack: Hello and welcome to Let's Drone Out.
[55.18] Jack: Tonight we are joined by everyone's not favourite, Andrew Tafranc.
[66.74] Stephen: You are everyone's favourite.
[68.58] Stephen: Now Curry is on a sabbatical, you are officially everyone's favourite.
[72.82] Stephen: You have to step into those shoes, stretch out, you know, get used to them.
[77.46] Stephen: I know how I'm not one's favourite, Andrew Tafranc.
[81.34] Jack: Everyone's least favourite, Steven.
[85.42] Jack: Hello, Clebs.
[87.42] Jack: And everyone's most irritable brides-of-fly. Hello.
[94.42] Frank: So, wheels have confirmed that there's going to be some FPV stuff there, so…
[100.42] Frank: Andrew Tafranc.
[102.42] Jack: You're not allowed to talk about wings and wheels because you get in trouble.
[107.42] Jack: You are banned from talking about that, you little s***.
[113.42] Jack: What, me or Frank?
[115.42] Jack: Frank, you alright?
[116.42] Jack: I know I'm missing you.
[118.42] Stephen: That's alright.
[119.42] Stephen: I think it's all silly.
[120.42] Stephen: I think they should get rid of all the scale stuff and just have it as an FPV event.
[124.42] Stephen: You named your dog Bob.
[126.42] Stephen: Yeah.
[127.42] Stephen: Can't go wrong with that.
[128.42] Stephen: It's a solid name.
[129.42] Jack: Can't be old-fashioned, but that's a bloke's name.
[133.42] Jack: Cat's a horse.
[140.42] Jack: She's got a beard.
[144.42] Jack: Bob.
[145.42] Jack: No.
[146.42] Jack: Yeah.
[147.42] Jack: Most snowsers do have a beard, don't they?
[150.42] Stephen: Yeah.
[151.42] Stephen: Wow.
[152.42] Stephen: So, yeah, wings and wheels.
[153.42] Stephen: There will be some wheels.
[154.42] Stephen: There'll be some wings.
[155.42] Stephen: Whether there's going to be any adequate video transmission is once again up to the gods.
[160.42] Frank: No, there is definitely going to be FPV at wings and wheels.
[163.42] Frank: There's going to be Andy R.C. and his mate Phil are going to be doing some scale FPV.
[168.42] Frank: There's going to be a bunch of other people doing some scale FPV.
[172.42] Frank: There's going to be jets.
[174.42] Frank: There's going to be 3D planes.
[176.42] Frank: There's going to be the wing racing, the X-class racing.
[180.42] Frank: So, there's going to be all of that all happening FPV, potentially some big screens, but that's
[187.42] Frank: all still very much in the works.
[189.42] Frank: You know, Martin was on the other week.
[193.42] Frank: He's compressing about a year-long planning process into what, six months?
[202.42] Frank: He's compressing this event that has sprawled over the airfield down into a corner of this
[210.42] Frank: estate.
[211.42] Frank: So, there's going to be a lot going on.
[214.42] Frank: It's going to be very densely populated with things.
[217.42] Stephen: Hopefully, if there's FPV on the main flight line, then maybe they'll be incentivized to
[222.42] Stephen: go and put some big old screens on the main flight line so you can see what's going on
[226.42] Stephen: FPV as well.
[227.42] Stephen: Exactly.
[228.42] Frank: And even if there isn't, there are plans to feed the FPV feeds locally over the Wi-Fi.
[238.42] Frank: There's going to be some Wi-Fi hotspots that are going to be feeding FPV feeds.
[243.42] Frank: I don't think anything can go wrong with that.
[244.42] Stephen: That's a great plan.
[246.42] Frank: There you go.
[248.42] Frank: So, there's that potentially, but we shall see.
[253.42] Jack: I think the people with stilts who are selling things and they bring them by, if anything
[262.42] Jack: gets turned on by them, they have to sign a waiver that means that if they turn it on,
[267.42] Jack: it gets hit with a hammer very hard several times by a man wearing a monkey suit.
[274.42] Jack: Before they insert it.
[279.83] Jack: Well, no, it's going to be excretion, isn't it?
[282.83] Jack: From the monkey.
[284.83] Jack: Are you volunteering?
[285.83] Jack: Have you bought a monkey suit?
[287.83] Jack: I used to have a monkey suit.
[291.83] Stephen: Before someone else in a monkey suit came up and hit you for wearing a monkey suit.
[296.83] Frank: That's what you got in your first drone employment, right, Jack?
[300.83] Jack: Wearing a monkey suit?
[302.83] Jack: Yeah, like, daddy, that's what I used to call the mobos.
[308.83] Jack: Obviously, everyone does, yeah.
[312.83] Jack: Tony will agree with this.
[315.83] Jack: They made me do an interview and I was so enraged by this.
[319.83] Jack: I sat there in the waiting room with a gorilla mask on.
[324.83] Tony: I remember.
[325.83] Jack: And he still gave me the job.
[328.83] Jack: Oh, yeah.
[332.83] Frank: Now, what we should do to avoid any issues is just have what Clive shared in the LDO
[340.83] Frank: Discord this week, which is the AKK Alpha 10 10 watt VTX.
[346.83] Frank: I think if you have that and just have that queued up to like just a little screen saying,
[354.83] Frank: like, you shouldn't be transmitting on this frequency, go away.
[358.83] Stephen: And great for keeping your tea warm at the field as well.
[362.83] Tony: Can you cook on it?
[364.83] Tony: Can you put your hands on it?
[370.83] Jack: Get a little frying pan.
[371.83] Jack: Yeah, perfect.
[372.83] Jack: What's that spray oil called?
[374.83] Jack: Like one cow.
[376.83] Jack: One cow?
[378.83] Jack: You need to get one cow in one of them.
[381.83] Jack: No, cow is in colour.
[383.83] Jack: Just one spray.
[384.83] Jack: One cow.
[386.83] Jack: No, cow is in short for calorie.
[389.83] Jack: C-A-L.
[391.83] Jack: Not C-O-W.
[392.83] Stephen: I'd be well impressed if you'd be like, you know, weight gain 3000.
[398.83] Stephen: Just one spray.
[399.83] Stephen: One cow.
[401.83] Jack: Yeah.
[402.83] Jack: Yeah.
[403.83] Jack: I always wanted to play hide the sausage.
[404.83] Jack: Get one of those light emergency.
[408.83] Stephen: Also, we're going to need that as a clip.
[409.83] Jack: Thank you.
[411.83] Tony: We probably had that somewhere before.
[414.83] Tony: Hook it up.
[415.83] Jack: Hook it up to an OSD that just says f**k.com and then hide it and people have to find it.
[421.83] Frank: Don't go to your website.
[422.83] Jack: Yeah.
[423.83] Jack: Don't go to that website.
[426.83] Jack: What I will need to do is bleep that website out just in case.
[431.83] Jack: Do I dare type in the hide the sausage?
[433.83] Stephen: Jack's had that site for years and he just can't make it pay for itself somehow.
[438.83] Stephen: Still trying to monetise this concept.
[440.83] Stephen: You'd have thought it would pay for itself.
[446.4] Frank: Oh my God.
[448.4] Tony: I've been listening back to our podcasts and really enjoyed it.
[452.4] Tony: Even though the beeping and the.
[455.4] Stephen: Where did the beeping come from?
[457.4] Stephen: It didn't even sound like a bleep.
[458.4] Stephen: It was just like someone had a sound effect on their PC.
[462.4] Tony: Like that.
[463.4] Tony: Yeah.
[464.4] Tony: Yeah.
[466.4] Tony: I enjoyed this.
[467.4] Jack: I remember.
[468.4] Jack: I remember we got a lot of PSs from the Thursday night show.
[474.4] Jack: I like certain things.
[476.4] Jack: They found.
[478.4] Jack: Funny other things.
[480.4] Jack: DJI 13,000.
[482.4] Jack: That's a lot of vaginal activity.
[484.4] Jack: Ofcom had something to say about that.
[489.4] Jack: Yeah.
[490.4] Jack: There's multiple things that had something to say, but I think I remember.
[494.4] Jack: Yeah.
[495.4] Jack: Yeah.
[496.4] Jack: Ofcom didn't like that one.
[498.4] Jack: I can't remember.
[499.4] Jack: I got loads of other stuff.
[501.4] Stephen: You actually had a shout out from Ofcom.
[503.4] Jack: Oh yeah.
[504.4] Jack: Big time.
[505.4] Jack: Yeah.
[506.4] Jack: Rachel from Ofcom.
[507.4] Jack: We came to visit me.
[510.4] Tony: Wasn't she going to come on here?
[513.4] Stephen: No.
[516.4] Stephen: Not even after the sausage offer.
[519.4] Jack: No.
[520.4] Jack: No.
[521.4] Jack: She said all it'll do is highlight and then incite to riot or something.
[527.4] Jack: That was the time she said.
[529.4] Stephen: Well, I mean, incitement of grumbling, I think, but bright scenes.
[534.4] Jack: It was.
[535.4] Jack: Yeah.
[536.4] Jack: She was just like, you know, we're in the middle of nowhere, as long as we're not
[539.4] Jack: affecting anyone, but it's to do with the, is it the PPL license for the music
[546.4] Jack: and streams and stuff?
[548.4] Stephen: Oh, right.
[549.4] Stephen: Yeah.
[550.4] Stephen: You have a lot of unlicensed music on earlier, didn't you?
[553.4] Jack: Yeah.
[555.4] Jack: But you were allowed to because they had a PPL license.
[562.4] Frank: Yeah.
[563.4] Frank: On the Thursday night show, which is the internet radio station that we started off
[568.4] Frank: on.
[569.4] Frank: But obviously then when you release that as a podcast, that is different from the
[575.4] Stephen: DMCA takedowns.
[578.4] Stephen: Yeah.
[580.4] Frank: Yeah.
[581.4] Jack: And the CIA often saying offensive things and listening back about the I don't
[589.4] Tony: know what we were talking about.
[591.4] Tony: Air mode.
[592.4] Tony: When that first come out, that was eight years ago.
[594.4] Jack: Yeah.
[595.4] Jack: And I still use idle up and people are like stone age.
[601.4] Stephen: I've been saying you're in the stone age since I got on the show, I think.
[604.4] Stephen: So, yeah, I see prior arguments.
[607.4] Stephen: I'm sure you know how to do it the right way.
[610.4] Stephen: It's just at this point.
[611.4] Jack: Yeah, it's just a number.
[613.4] Jack: I do it just to irritate people now.
[617.4] Jack: Yeah.
[619.4] Tony: I think you did it back then to irritate people as well.
[623.4] Tony: We were talking about the drone show.
[625.4] Tony: I drone the event that Metal Danny come over to because he was one of our first
[631.4] Tony: listeners, if you remember.
[633.4] Tony: Yeah.
[634.4] Tony: Yes.
[635.4] Tony: It was nice listening back actually.
[637.4] Tony: And we had some right giggles in there.
[638.4] Tony: It was quite funny.
[640.4] Jack: I'm violating multiple GDPR thing by obtaining people's e-mails through
[648.4] Jack: just nagging people constantly.
[651.4] Jack: We won this rehearsal on the show.
[653.4] Jack: Give us contact.
[654.4] Jack: Did you ever get Metal Danny on the show?
[656.4] Jack: I don't think you did, did you?
[657.4] Jack: Yeah.
[658.4] Tony: I don't think you come on.
[660.4] Jack: No.
[661.4] Jack: We spoke to him on your phone.
[664.4] Jack: Oh, right.
[665.4] Tony: We're waiting on that.
[666.4] Tony: Yeah.
[667.4] Tony: I think he was too afraid of his English not being that good.
[671.4] Tony: But I mean, he literally drove from Holland to here.
[677.4] Tony: Wow.
[678.4] Tony: Put him up in a fence, sit down a road, and then we went to the next morning.
[684.4] Tony: We went to an event.
[685.4] Jack: FPV league.
[687.4] Tony: Yeah.
[688.4] Tony: Yeah.
[689.4] Tony: One of them was good times when everything was exciting.
[693.4] Tony: On the FPV.
[694.4] Tony: On the FPV.
[695.4] Tony: Yeah.
[696.4] Stephen: Oh, that one.
[697.4] Frank: Oh, my God.
[698.4] Stephen: It's been a slow January.
[701.4] Stephen: I'm not sure there's going to be any product releases this year.
[704.4] Stephen: I think they all happened before Christmas at this point.
[707.4] Frank: Well, so the pork's now 4K thing, right?
[710.4] Stephen: Oh, yeah, I suppose.
[712.4] Stephen: That was kind of floating around before Christmas and people leaking it everywhere.
[716.4] Stephen: No, no.
[717.4] Jack: Leaking everywhere.
[720.4] Stephen: Yeah.
[721.4] Jack: Because they put it up on their website without, you know, listed the name and the name.
[727.4] Stephen: I saw Ian's stuff, Matt's review of it.
[730.4] Stephen: It looks okay.
[732.4] Stephen: But once again, in this light, do you want a high-res flight footage?
[736.4] Stephen: Well, you've got to turn up the latency.
[738.4] Stephen: Oh, you want low latency?
[740.4] Stephen: Well, your footage is going to look like dog dirt.
[744.4] Stephen: So it's not a perfect solution.
[747.4] Frank: Turns out there's a certain number of bits that you can get through the air.
[753.87] Stephen: Well, yeah, turns out like all these video encoding ASICs can't do everything at once.
[759.87] Stephen: They can do a few things, but not everything.
[762.87] Frank: Speaking of the UK Drain Show, which is the event that used to happen up at the NEC in
[768.87] Frank: Birmingham in the middle of the build season, there's a reminder to anyone that can make
[777.87] Frank: it.
[778.87] Frank: It's Bird this weekend, the Birmingham International Race Days this coming weekend, as of recording,
[786.87] Frank: which is the 28th of January.
[790.87] Frank: No, no.
[791.87] Frank: It's not the word.
[793.87] Frank: It's something else.
[794.87] Frank: It is.
[795.87] Frank: No.
[796.87] Frank: It's the phrase.
[797.87] Frank: It's four words.
[798.87] Frank: Yeah.
[799.87] Frank: Acronym.
[800.87] Frank: Yeah.
[801.87] Frank: Bird, bird, bird.
[803.87] Stephen: The initial is the acronym.
[806.87] Jack: I'm not allowed to sing it.
[808.87] Jack: Rachel, tell us off again.
[810.87] Jack: That wasn't singing.
[812.87] Jack: No, we'll call that singing.
[814.87] Jack: Singing even more our off key.
[816.87] Stephen: We could not be right.
[818.87] Stephen: So when is there going to be another kind of FPV or RC related show, do you think?
[823.87] Stephen: Do you think they're going to happen or did they just get rolled into armaments conventions?
[827.87] Jack: No, AI now, wasn't it?
[829.87] Jack: It went from Bitcoin to drones to AI.
[834.66] Stephen: Yeah, it's pretty boring AI, though.
[836.66] Stephen: It's just a lot of people sitting around talking about how they wrote some Python scripts
[840.66] Stephen: that tell a machine to do something way more interesting than a Python script.
[847.14] Jack: What's his name?
[849.14] Jack: You're going to have AI drones.
[851.14] Jack: You're going to be like...
[852.14] Jack: Well, I already do, I mean...
[854.14] Jack: You're going to be like a whole controller and be like this and tricks,
[858.14] Jack: and then watch it do a load of tricks and be like, yeah, I told it to do it.
[862.14] Jack: It's an AI drone.
[863.14] Stephen: And AI drones are not like doing tricks.
[866.14] Stephen: That's the trouble.
[867.14] Stephen: I'm just going to put the disclaimer up there and you can figure out what the rest of it is.
[871.14] Stephen: But they're very much the...
[875.14] Stephen: Yeah, is that a person?
[876.14] Stephen: Oh, fun times.
[877.14] Stephen: Let's go and say hello to them.
[881.14] Stephen: Very friendly.
[882.14] Stephen: Yeah.
[883.14] Stephen: Oh, that one stopped being friendly.
[884.14] Stephen: Let's find someone else to do and be friendly to.
[889.14] Jack: Where did it go?
[890.14] Frank: Some magic.
[891.14] Jack: Like one of those small dogs missing its owner's leg.
[896.14] Stephen: Yeah.
[897.14] Stephen: Sort of like that, but with more weapons.
[901.14] Frank: More splody.
[903.14] Frank: Yeah.
[905.14] Frank: That was also posted in the LDO Discord this week.
[910.14] Frank: It was the MOD's latest answer to cantankerous drones.
[918.14] Frank: Cantankerous?
[919.14] Stephen: Is that the official classification then?
[920.14] Stephen: Yep.
[921.14] Stephen: Yep.
[922.14] Frank: I couldn't remember what...
[923.14] Jack: Release bears into the wild and the bears will eat the FPVers.
[929.14] Jack: Bears eat drones.
[932.14] Frank: No.
[933.14] Frank: They were deploying dogs to scare away the drones, so I don't see why.
[939.14] Jack: What's dogs doing?
[940.14] Jack: Flying dogs.
[941.14] Frank: That was still what Liz Truss announced in Parliament.
[946.14] Stephen: You could have just led with that.
[948.14] Stephen: She's got more teeth than brain cells.
[955.14] Jack: Any views expressed by any guest on this show?
[961.14] Jack: A person who might not reflect the views of others.
[965.14] Frank: Yeah.
[966.14] Frank: What Robin posted was the MOD's Dragonfire 50-kilowatt laser.
[976.14] Jack: Oh.
[977.14] Jack: 50-kilowatt flamethrower.
[979.14] Jack: Can you imagine that?
[981.14] Jack: So that sounds cool, but...
[982.14] Stephen: It's a bit lighter.
[983.14] Stephen: The further away you're shooting, the less power you get, right?
[987.14] Stephen: You get quite a high drop-off, especially with Britain's inclement weather.
[992.14] Stephen: Like, if you have drizzle, a 50-kilowatt laser probably isn't going to go much further than the end of the road, is it?
[999.14] Stephen: What happens in those situations?
[1001.14] Jack: The trouble is, if you go too high on the microwaveness, you end up cooking the pilot like a ready meal.
[1012.14] Frank: Well, this is like visible light, I think.
[1017.14] Frank: Not a microwave, and they're talking about going a kilometer, so there you go.
[1024.14] Frank: Something.
[1028.86] Stephen: So what are they going to do with the laser?
[1032.86] Stephen: Shoot it at things?
[1034.86] Stephen: Shooting drones out of the sky, aren't they?
[1036.86] Stephen: I mean, this is a typical military strategy.
[1038.86] Stephen: We'll get a really expensive thing, and then we'll figure out what to do with it.
[1042.86] Frank: Well, maybe they've figured it out, but they haven't posted that particular bit of information, but it's...
[1048.86] Stephen: If they had to be within a mile of it, wouldn't it just be easier to use another type of armament that won't blind passers-by?
[1057.86] Jack: G-Force is updating.
[1059.86] Jack: It's been nice knowing you guys.
[1062.86] Tony: I just started, and I just managed to cancel it.
[1066.86] Tony: I know.
[1067.86] Jack: I know.
[1068.86] Jack: I got a Windows Defender notification.
[1071.86] Jack: I looked at that, and then it horned-swoggled me.
[1076.86] Tony: Oh, God, that was another thing that I remember hearing about ten times.
[1081.86] Tony: Apple versus PC and Chris Weston soldering, et cetera.
[1086.86] Jack: Oh, mate.
[1088.86] Jack: The crap I used to get for having an apple.
[1092.86] Jack: Do you remember that?
[1093.86] Jack: Yeah.
[1094.86] Jack: Do you remember, like, the fight?
[1096.86] Jack: I'd pull out an apple laptop, and everyone would just threaten to smash it.
[1102.86] Jack: Good times. Good times.
[1104.86] Jack: Sounds fair.
[1105.86] Jack: There was teeth marks.
[1108.86] Jack: There was this guy...
[1110.86] Jack: Yeah, but that was just from you.
[1111.86] Frank: Who was he?
[1112.86] Frank: Just, like, not feeling that way to go to open it.
[1115.86] Jack: Bit it. Bit my laptop.
[1121.86] Frank: I'm sure that he was only returning what he got from you, so...
[1128.86] Stephen: Max do look like a pain to support in the world of FPV.
[1132.86] Stephen: I've seen what happened now.
[1133.86] Stephen: They've got those new MYM2 CPUs, and, like, nothing bloody works on them.
[1139.86] Stephen: It's all just anything used to work.
[1141.86] Stephen: No, no, no.
[1142.86] Stephen: Even if it used to work on Mac, forget about it.
[1144.86] Jack: Goodbye.
[1145.86] Jack: What do you mean?
[1146.86] Jack: It's got the same ARM processor as your lovely beta flight controllers.
[1151.86] Jack: What more do you want?
[1153.86] Jack: Compatibility.
[1155.86] Jack: Oh, no, you can't have that.
[1157.86] Jack: That's like an extra couple of grand.
[1160.86] Jack: Yeah, right.
[1161.86] Jack: You've got to pay Intel if you want that.
[1164.86] Stephen: Just all the little utilities that used to work on the old stuff,
[1167.86] Stephen: they just apparently don't work at all on those.
[1171.86] Jack: Yeah, not everything made it over from 32-bit.
[1175.86] Stephen: Basically, it's going to be the case.
[1179.14] Stephen: You want to do FPV in the future, you're going to need, like, a Windows XP laptop
[1184.14] Stephen: that you keep in a locked safe, that you don't have any...
[1188.14] Jack: This coming from some person who's, like, BL Heli,
[1191.14] Jack: and, like, sitting there flashing his ESCs over to...
[1197.14] Jack: What was he flashing them over to?
[1199.14] Stephen: Sitting there flashing, you can talk.
[1201.14] Stephen: At least I've got trousers on.
[1205.14] Stephen: I don't encourage it.
[1208.14] Jack: I know.
[1209.14] Jack: They're there for my business.
[1211.14] Jack: They're gone.
[1212.14] Stephen: They're gone.
[1213.14] Stephen: Have fun.
[1214.14] Stephen: We can still see the camera, mate.
[1215.14] Stephen: Don't worry, it's fine.
[1218.14] Stephen: So, yeah, yeah, I've flashed everything to AM32,
[1221.14] Stephen: and I've had remarkably little issues.
[1224.14] Stephen: It's, yeah, you know, it was pretty new and scary,
[1229.14] Stephen: but it wasn't too bad.
[1232.14] Jack: Is it an ST-Link you have to use, or is it an FTDI?
[1237.14] Stephen: ST-Link, yeah, yeah.
[1239.14] Stephen: Just get an ST-Link.
[1241.14] Stephen: Most of them are, like, FO5 ones or the GO7 ones.
[1246.14] Stephen: They're just STM32, and you just grab an ST-Link,
[1249.14] Stephen: and you're done.
[1250.14] Stephen: You've got one of these new fancy ones
[1252.14] Stephen: that's, like, one of those artillery tech chips.
[1256.14] Stephen: That's a bit more of a pain in the bum.
[1258.14] Stephen: Well, just buy one that's already flashed, you know?
[1262.14] Stephen: Yeah.
[1263.14] Stephen: A lot of star stars or something.
[1265.14] Jack: Yeah.
[1266.14] Stephen: They're not.
[1267.14] Stephen: I think you've got one already.
[1269.14] Stephen: You've got one already.
[1270.14] Stephen: You've got one already.
[1271.14] Stephen: Didn't you get the star stars AM32 one?
[1273.14] Jack: Yeah, no, no, no, man.
[1275.14] Jack: I just...
[1276.14] Jack: No, they're all BL.
[1278.14] Jack: They're all BL32.
[1280.14] Jack: I could.
[1281.14] Stephen: You should be cheaper as well, because it's, like,
[1283.14] Stephen: a dollar an ESC.
[1284.14] Jack: You don't pay the license.
[1285.14] Stephen: Yeah, yeah.
[1287.14] Stephen: So they have to pay BL32, like, a buck an ESC,
[1290.14] Stephen: and then they put margin on top of that,
[1292.14] Stephen: so fingers crossed it should.
[1295.14] Stephen: You either get more hardware for the same price.
[1298.14] Stephen: Maybe the manufacturer makes more profit,
[1300.14] Stephen: but, you know, they're probably likely
[1301.14] Stephen: to make them a couple of quid cheaper.
[1304.14] Stephen: Worth a go.
[1305.14] Stephen: And he does seem like a nice guy.
[1307.14] Stephen: We've been following him for a few years,
[1309.14] Stephen: and he's very quick to answer questions,
[1312.14] Stephen: and whenever there's been some new feature
[1314.14] Stephen: or some improvement that could be made,
[1315.14] Stephen: he was right on it.
[1316.14] Stephen: So, yeah, I can't complain.
[1319.14] Jack: Well, aren't we supposed to get the sky stars
[1322.14] Jack: and the other AM32 guy on?
[1326.14] Jack: Is it possible?
[1328.14] Jack: Can we talk to them?
[1329.14] Stephen: Alka, I don't think you wanted to talk about...
[1331.14] Stephen: The guy that we did get on Unet...
[1334.14] Stephen: Oh, I forgot the guy's real name.
[1337.83] Stephen: Ikey.
[1339.83] Stephen: He's been helping out transition that project
[1342.83] Stephen: because it was like a project for each type of MCU,
[1346.83] Stephen: and he kept adding more and more MCUs from different vendors,
[1349.83] Stephen: so it just became this sprawling mass
[1351.83] Stephen: of different bits of code,
[1353.83] Stephen: and Ikey was, like, condensing it all down
[1356.83] Stephen: into this single project,
[1357.83] Stephen: and that's been released now.
[1358.83] Stephen: That's been out for a month or so at this point.
[1362.83] Stephen: Yeah, seems to go pretty well.
[1364.83] Stephen: I wrote the documentation
[1366.83] Stephen: for BETA Flight recommending ESC types,
[1368.83] Stephen: and I was going through and looking at BL Heli32,
[1372.83] Stephen: and basically everything after 32.7 seems to be cursed,
[1377.83] Stephen: and 32.7 was...
[1381.83] Stephen: like 2019, I think?
[1383.83] Stephen: It's a long time ago.
[1384.83] Stephen: Before the lot...
[1385.83] Jack: Yeah, before Crayburn,
[1388.83] Jack: and everything.
[1389.83] Jack: Wow.
[1390.83] Jack: What do you mean, cursed, though?
[1391.83] Jack: What, it just goes wrong?
[1393.83] Stephen: Yeah, you get, like, hot motors,
[1395.83] Stephen: or you get jitters,
[1396.83] Stephen: or you get crazy wobbles.
[1398.83] Stephen: Yeah, it's all sorts of weird issues.
[1402.83] Stephen: Or sometimes just, like, the motors don't speak properly
[1405.83] Stephen: because the ESC timing is off
[1407.83] Stephen: and isn't picking up what the flight controller's telling it to do.
[1414.53] Jack: So not like one clock for all four individuals.
[1419.53] Stephen: Well, there was this spec that said,
[1421.53] Stephen: we expect you to come back with the RPM telemetry
[1424.53] Stephen: in this amount of time,
[1426.53] Stephen: and basically no one read the spec,
[1429.53] Stephen: and then BETA Flight's like,
[1432.53] Stephen: okay, so the spec says we expect them to come back
[1435.53] Stephen: in this amount of time.
[1436.53] Stephen: Well, we want to get on and do other stuff,
[1438.53] Stephen: so instead of waiting for this huge amount of time,
[1440.53] Stephen: we'll just wait for the amount of time the spec says,
[1442.53] Stephen: and then everything broke,
[1444.53] Stephen: because no one had actually read the spec.
[1446.53] Stephen: They'd just sort of guessed at what would work,
[1449.53] Stephen: and that took a while for various people to fix.
[1452.53] Stephen: Unfortunately, because BL-Heli32 development's pretty slow right now,
[1456.53] Stephen: it took them a really long time to get back to the fix,
[1459.53] Stephen: so there's a whole bunch of broken releases from BL-Heli32 at this point.
[1466.53] Jack: Because I remember speaking to Oscar
[1468.53] Jack: and saying that the person who wrote the BL-Heli light configurator
[1475.53] Jack: done all that work, so I would work on Mac and everything,
[1479.53] Jack: and basically didn't really get much thank you for it,
[1486.53] Jack: and I really sort of updated that,
[1489.53] Jack: because if you're old and you use the original suite,
[1495.53] Jack: I mean, that is dinosaur juice right there.
[1501.53] Stephen: And BL-Heli32 suite looks like the original BL-Heli configurator, doesn't it?
[1507.53] Stephen: It's not like...
[1508.53] Jack: It really is.
[1509.53] Jack: It's got a red logo that's as exciting as it gets.
[1514.53] Stephen: They could have made it easier to use.
[1517.53] Jack: Yeah, and the custom tunes were like polyphonic ringtones.
[1523.53] Jack: I'm not saying so, man.
[1525.53] Stephen: You shouldn't have to go and read like...
[1528.53] Stephen: Read?
[1529.53] Stephen: You shouldn't have to watch like two hours of Joshua Bardwell videos
[1532.53] Stephen: to know how to set up your ESC.
[1534.53] Stephen: And it's because those videos are there,
[1536.53] Stephen: no one bothers to make that configurator any easier to use.
[1541.53] Jack: Yeah.
[1542.53] Jack: I felt sorry for Carl.
[1544.53] Jack: I knew as soon as Carl made the transition to, you know,
[1550.53] Jack: BL-Heli ESC, only seven inch.
[1553.53] Jack: And I knew that there was going to be times of me screaming at him,
[1558.53] Jack: being like, click this, and him being like, why or what?
[1563.53] Jack: And I was just like, look, it's like that.
[1566.53] Stephen: Go look at Mr. Bardwell's video.
[1568.53] Stephen: It's one hour, 27 minutes in.
[1572.53] Stephen: He talks about it for 30 seconds and explains what the setting is.
[1575.53] Stephen: Is it written down anywhere?
[1576.53] Stephen: No, of course it's not written down anywhere.
[1578.53] Jack: You're meant to know the timestamp and URL,
[1582.53] Jack: and that's how we like it.
[1584.53] Jack: It stops the idiots flying.
[1590.53] Jack: Why would you want to be able to search for something?
[1593.53] Jack: I know, yeah.
[1594.53] Jack: You're just meant to know.
[1595.53] Jack: You're just meant to feel it.
[1597.53] Jack: You're meant to like glide your mouth in your nipples, tinkle.
[1600.53] Jack: Like when you're hovering over the correct Bardwell video.
[1603.53] Stephen: It's two and a half degrees, 23 degrees.
[1605.53] Stephen: Oh, yeah.
[1606.53] Stephen: Oh, yeah.
[1607.53] Jack: Timing.
[1608.53] Jack: Oh, DMAG.
[1610.53] Jack: DMAG.
[1611.53] Jack: DMAG.
[1612.53] Jack: Bardwell.
[1613.53] Stephen: Oh, I swear.
[1615.53] Stephen: The DMAG thing is completely invented by BL Heli
[1620.53] Stephen: because in the wider community of hobby motors
[1624.53] Stephen: and speed controllers, DMAG compensation doesn't mean anything.
[1629.53] Stephen: And we had to kind of, you have to read the history
[1633.53] Stephen: of the BL Heli project to figure out what the hell
[1636.53] Stephen: the setting actually does.
[1639.53] Stephen: What does it do?
[1641.53] Stephen: Well, it compensates for the current.
[1644.53] Jack: The meat potato popcorn setting isn't poor cooking popcorn.
[1651.53] Stephen: It's like there's some kind of back rush of current
[1656.53] Stephen: that occurs during DMAG accretization.
[1660.53] Stephen: And I think it compensates for that current decay.
[1665.53] Stephen: So there's current decay, which means that the voltage doesn't
[1669.53] Stephen: drop the way you think it's going to,
[1671.53] Stephen: because there's the current decay affecting it.
[1674.53] Stephen: So you've got this kind of large.
[1677.53] Stephen: What is current decay?
[1680.53] Stephen: You've built up a joint in that field strength,
[1683.53] Stephen: and then you turn off the voltage that goes in there.
[1686.53] Jack: Elective motive force?
[1688.53] Stephen: I could post you to a bit of documentation if you want.
[1691.53] Stephen: It's not relevant.
[1692.53] Stephen: The fact is, you have to kind of piece it together
[1695.53] Stephen: from where BL Heli came from, because it doesn't actually
[1698.53] Stephen: mean anything by itself, because DMAG compensation,
[1701.53] Stephen: DMAG is just part of what every motorcycle does.
[1704.53] Stephen: And to compensate for it is nonsensical.
[1707.53] Stephen: It just means something in the bizarre history of BL Heli.
[1710.53] Jack: What does the B in BL Heli stand for?
[1712.53] Jack: I don't know.
[1713.53] Frank: Brush?
[1714.53] Frank: As in brushless?
[1717.0] Frank: Heli?
[1718.0] Frank: No?
[1719.0] Stephen: But that could be brushless as well.
[1721.0] Stephen: It doesn't mean anything.
[1724.0] Stephen: Maybe there was A Heli, and then they were like,
[1726.0] Stephen: no, A Heli is s***.
[1728.0] Stephen: We're done with A Heli.
[1729.0] Stephen: This is B Heli.
[1733.0] Stephen: Yeah, we've already used A Heli.
[1735.0] Stephen: They were like, B.J. Heli?
[1737.0] Stephen: No, no, B.J. Heli sounds terrible.
[1739.0] Stephen: B.K. Heli?
[1741.0] Stephen: Not sure.
[1742.0] Stephen: And we just got to BL Heli.
[1743.0] Stephen: There you are.
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[1771.0] Frank: You were talking about random bugs in bits of firmware,
[1775.0] Frank: and it just reminded me of a post in the DiviMath HD Zero group
[1783.0] Frank: from Clive Galloway about a bug in a release of the firmware for the HD Zero goggles.
[1794.0] Frank: So if you've got HD Zero goggles,
[1796.0] Frank: be aware that in the latest stable version, 9.3.0,
[1804.0] Frank: it can just decide to turn off, which is not ideal.
[1811.0] Frank: You see that's the stable version.
[1814.0] Frank: Yeah.
[1816.0] Frank: But there's a fix, which is to turn the head tracking on.
[1822.0] Frank: Oh.
[1824.0] Stephen: So there's that.
[1826.0] Stephen: Is that like a motion sensor that decides,
[1828.0] Stephen: oh, you're not wearing the goggles anymore and switches them off or something?
[1832.0] Frank: What he explains in the post is that he reckons that there's been spurious right clicks
[1839.0] Frank: in just in all the firmware from something that he's still working on.
[1847.0] Frank: But in the latest version, a double right click sends the goggles into sleep mode.
[1853.0] Frank: And so occasionally, there will be a spurious double right click,
[1858.0] Frank: and the goggles will go into sleep mode.
[1860.0] Stephen: That's a stupid shortcut key to have.
[1863.0] Frank: So that's not going to be there in the next version, I imagine.
[1868.0] Frank: But if you put it into, if you enable head tracking, it won't do that.
[1876.0] Stephen: Just a shout out to EBRFPV.
[1880.0] Stephen: We've had a ton of reports that 32.9 has serious problems.
[1885.0] Stephen: So you may have gotten lucky, and good for you if you're lucky,
[1888.0] Stephen: but like 32.9 definitely has problems.
[1892.0] Stephen: So be careful.
[1896.0] Stephen: Is Jack going to send some beard trimmings to the Patreons by any chance?
[1901.0] Stephen: Is that this month's giveaway?
[1904.0] Jack: Back then he would have.
[1908.0] Jack: That with the prick stick.
[1910.0] Jack: It's DIY pubes.
[1912.0] Tony: You've sent stuff to Australia.
[1915.0] Tony: What have you sent to Australia?
[1917.0] Tony: Pubes.
[1918.0] Tony: Stuff and catnip and how anyone didn't get caught with it.
[1923.0] Tony: A heady cocktail of pubes and catnip.
[1927.0] Tony: I know.
[1928.0] Tony: Happy days.
[1930.0] Tony: That was a good old day.
[1932.0] Jack: I was going to say, yeah, that would have really,
[1935.0] Jack: because there's only a couple of differences between magic mint and salivia and catnip.
[1943.0] Jack: I'm sure.
[1945.0] Stephen: Because you had these human pheromones mixed in there.
[1949.0] Stephen: How are they going to tell the difference?
[1953.0] Jack: My only thing coming from me smells very wild and feral.
[1958.0] Jack: Indeed.
[1959.0] Jack: The beard's coming.
[1960.0] Jack: Are you strong, son?
[1962.0] Jack: No, I need to shave.
[1964.0] Stephen: You've got like actually straight beard hair.
[1967.0] Stephen: Mine just gets curlier and curlier the longer I...
[1969.0] Stephen: Have you been straightening your beard with the little funny fine things?
[1974.0] Stephen: You've got one of those beards that just goes, grows out in straight lines,
[1978.0] Stephen: whereas mine just goes...
[1981.0] Tony: Let's go to the barbers, Jack.
[1984.0] Tony: Let's have a little trim up.
[1985.0] Tony: I like you a bit.
[1986.0] Tony: I just think you need to trim it a bit.
[1988.0] Jack: Yeah.
[1990.0] Jack: I will.
[1992.0] Jack: I was thinking about...
[1993.0] Stephen: A big clive vibe that you're getting now.
[1996.0] Jack: Yeah.
[1997.0] Jack: Well, you stick a funnel in your face and shave around it to get the big clive.
[2003.0] Jack: No, you did the big clive.
[2005.0] Tony: Do it.
[2007.0] Jack: Just...
[2008.0] Tony: Do it.
[2009.0] Tony: I'll send you money if you do it.
[2012.0] Jack: I was thinking about doing the whole like just shave one side.
[2016.0] Tony: Just come on the podcast like that.
[2019.0] Tony: Nice, Jack.
[2021.0] Tony: Horrible, Jack.
[2022.0] Stephen: Do it on the next bonus picture.
[2024.0] Stephen: One side's got lipstick on and the other side's got a beard.
[2027.0] Tony: Me, myself and Jack.
[2029.0] Stephen: Could be half Janet, half Jack.
[2032.0] Tony: Yep.
[2033.0] Tony: Oh, yeah, Janet.
[2034.0] Stephen: I miss Janet.
[2035.0] Tony: I think you should bring her back.
[2037.0] Tony: Bring her back with a beard.
[2039.0] Jack: I can't remember what Janet sounds like.
[2044.0] Frank: Let's go back over.
[2045.0] Frank: Probably much like all of your characters on Curry, Kitten, Wednesdays.
[2052.0] Frank: Are we doing this like the Rapping Friends stories?
[2055.0] Stephen: Probably Monty Python in life.
[2058.0] Stephen: Monty Python women impersonations, I'm guessing.
[2062.0] Frank: Yeah, very much.
[2063.0] Frank: He's not the Messiah.
[2064.0] Frank: He's a very naughty boy.
[2065.0] Frank: That voice.
[2067.0] Frank: That is...
[2071.0] Jack: It sounds even better when Frank says it.
[2074.0] Jack: Matron.
[2075.0] Jack: Come on, Frank.
[2076.0] Jack: Give us a new matron.
[2079.0] Tony: Oh, God.
[2081.0] Frank: I think something more sensible that I was going to say.
[2086.0] Frank: No, you don't.
[2087.0] Jack: We'll see if it fails us.
[2090.0] Jack: Sure.
[2094.0] Frank: The magazine arrived today, but I haven't actually looked pretty good.
[2098.0] Frank: I don't know.
[2099.0] Frank: More and more has cut the dicey up.
[2100.0] Stephen: I'm not even a member of mine arrived.
[2102.0] Frank: I'm confused about that in there.
[2105.0] Frank: It's their last one, you see.
[2108.0] Frank: Or at least the last one that they're sending out to everyone.
[2113.0] Frank: No, there was definitely something actually vaguely sensible I was going to say.
[2118.0] Frank: Oh, that was it.
[2119.0] Frank: I had to go the weekend at spot welding a battery pack.
[2126.0] Frank: That's terrifying.
[2129.0] Frank: But you're still here.
[2130.0] Frank: That's going to bode well.
[2132.0] Frank: Yeah, it's a bit more...
[2135.0] Frank: There's more fire involved than I expected of something that we...
[2139.0] Frank: How much fire were you expecting?
[2141.0] Jack: That makes it sexually exciting.
[2144.0] Frank: I was expecting either zero fire or the house burning down.
[2150.0] Frank: And I got a vaguely pleasant amount of just sort of singeing.
[2156.0] Frank: Ambient fire.
[2157.0] Frank: Yeah.
[2159.0] Stephen: So there's an amount of singeing.
[2162.0] Stephen: Just a delicate flambé.
[2164.0] Frank: Yeah, exactly.
[2166.0] Frank: I did it on my dining table, which is sort of an old bit of pine.
[2172.0] Frank: So that is sort of fresh...
[2174.0] Stephen: I had to say, it's on ozone.
[2176.0] Stephen: Just a little hint of ozone.
[2180.0] Frank: Yeah.
[2181.0] Frank: So I've gone back and read some instructions and I'll have another go this weekend.
[2191.0] Jack: What are you building it for?
[2193.0] Jack: The terminals first.
[2196.0] Jack: Like a nine-volt battery.
[2198.0] Frank: Oh yeah, like the marshmallows.
[2200.0] Frank: I'm not trusting anything.
[2203.0] Jack: Enormic terminals.
[2205.0] Frank: This is a replacement field pack made out of old 18650s, I want to say.
[2214.0] Jack: How much do you miss me right now?
[2217.0] Jack: How much do you wish you could just go,
[2219.0] Jack: hey Jack, have a go at this.
[2222.0] Frank: Yeah, I was very much there.
[2224.0] Frank: When everything just sort of erupted in a cloud of sparks,
[2228.0] Frank: and it singed everything, I was just like, yeah.
[2232.0] Frank: This is dangerously Jack territory.
[2235.0] Frank: Yeah, Jack should be here for this.
[2238.0] Frank: Everything straight back in the box.
[2241.0] Frank: It came out of the box, made a load of sparks, went straight back in the box.
[2247.0] Jack: It went back in the box or what?
[2252.0] Jack: What's next?
[2253.0] Jack: Can you show us?
[2254.0] Jack: Have you got any photos of progress?
[2257.0] Frank: No.
[2259.0] Frank: I have done it anyway.
[2264.0] Frank: No, I'm going to have another go this weekend.
[2269.0] Frank: Now that I've actually watched some YouTube videos on it and not just gone,
[2273.0] Frank: oh I know how this works.
[2275.0] Frank: It turns out I don't.
[2277.0] Stephen: I've got something for Tony here as well.
[2280.0] Stephen: Oh God, no.
[2281.0] Jack: We're definitely bringing them back to the old school.
[2284.0] Jack: Who's been listening to f***ing episode one?
[2288.0] Jack: I think this is Tony.
[2291.0] Jack: Oh Jesus Christ.
[2294.0] Stephen: This is from Robin in his gossip corner.
[2298.0] Tony: That is brilliant.
[2300.0] Jack: What is wrong with you?
[2302.0] Stephen: The coastal wall.
[2304.0] Tony: Is it impossible for a plane to fly around the ball upside down?
[2308.0] Tony: Gravity.
[2309.0] Tony: Oh for f*** sake Frank.
[2312.0] Jack: Who?
[2314.0] Jack: You started this ten years ago.
[2318.6] Jack: No, you went, yeah, this will be funny.
[2322.6] Jack: I think the Earth's flat.
[2325.6] Jack: Just blown out on the f*** you.
[2328.6] Jack: And then people just, they were like wild coyotes.
[2332.6] Jack: They were just like.
[2334.6] Jack: I mean it took three months.
[2338.6] Jack: Three months for the f***ing hate mail.
[2342.6] Jack: People would write me death threats being like,
[2345.6] Jack: what the f*** is wrong with him?
[2347.6] Jack: Does he think the Earth's flat?
[2349.6] Jack: Someone punched me in the face.
[2351.6] Jack: No, no.
[2352.6] Stephen: We're not talking about thinking the Earth's flat here Jack.
[2355.6] Stephen: What we're looking here, here is decisive proof from a pilot that the Earth is flat.
[2362.6] Stephen: We're not just piloting with the rails.
[2364.6] Jack: There's one of those oxygen masks falling down and got trapped around a f***ing neck and caught.
[2370.6] Jack: I love the oxygen.
[2372.6] Jack: As if not, I have something I want to master by faith.
[2375.6] Tony: I like the ferments there as well.
[2377.6] Tony: Even a must run and break it.
[2379.6] Stephen: That's what keeps the water on, stuff that's falling off the edges, right?
[2382.6] Tony: That's the water on the outside.
[2384.6] Tony: It's come on boys.
[2387.6] Tony: Water.
[2389.6] Tony: There's water above us.
[2391.6] Jack: Oh my God, that doesn't work.
[2393.6] Jack: We're not made of fish.
[2395.6] Jack: We're not Aquaman.
[2396.6] Jack: We're not HPI guy.
[2397.6] Jack: We're in a bull man.
[2399.6] Stephen: It's a frisbee.
[2401.6] Stephen: It's a frisbee mate.
[2402.6] Stephen: I mean you know they're like flown up high and you look around and it's just,
[2405.6] Stephen: you can see the horizon curving.
[2407.6] Stephen: It's a frisbee.
[2409.6] Stephen: It's a frisbee.
[2410.6] Jack: Sorry Frank, carry on.
[2412.6] Jack: Save us.
[2413.6] Jack: Give us 10 minutes of workable material for your...
[2416.6] Tony: Is there anything new?
[2417.6] Tony: Anything being said about?
[2419.6] Tony: Anything?
[2420.6] Stephen: What's happened to the law this year?
[2423.6] Stephen: Legislative Frank.
[2424.6] Stephen: We call on the strength of legislative Frank.
[2428.6] Tony: Are we allowed to fly anywhere this year in the UK?
[2431.6] Tony: DJI apps change.
[2433.6] Tony: So yeah, you can fly anywhere now.
[2436.6] Frank: There's something about, I think they've launched a new data set of no-fly
[2444.6] Frank: zones around prisons and juvenile detention centers and things like that.
[2449.6] Frank: So on the NATS app and website and all that, there's been for quite a while
[2457.6] Frank: the restrictions or the restricted flying zones around airports and things
[2463.6] Frank: and they've updated that to include more places where you shouldn't fly.
[2468.6] Frank: I think there's that that's been happening.
[2472.6] Frank: There was the consultation.
[2477.6] Frank: I don't think they've collated all that yet.
[2480.6] Frank: I think they're sifting through the bags of poo that were set on fire.
[2485.6] Stephen: Well, we'll know what's going to happen there.
[2488.6] Stephen: It's going to be like 90% of people said it's a terrible idea.
[2491.6] Stephen: So we're siding with the 10% of people who clearly voted.
[2495.6] Tony: Jack's doing his own barbering while we speak.
[2499.6] Stephen: Nice.
[2500.6] Stephen: You're not able to do soldering.
[2502.6] Stephen: Is this what happens when you can't solder during the show?
[2506.6] Tony: The eggs turning back.
[2507.6] Frank: It's personal grooming using the stream as a mirror.
[2511.6] Stephen: Oh my God.
[2514.6] Stephen: Much the same as before then, apart from prisons,
[2517.6] Stephen: not like we were generally flying around prisons.
[2520.6] Stephen: No.
[2521.6] Frank: Same as before.
[2522.6] Frank: Don't tell you much, Jack.
[2525.6] Frank: What else?
[2528.04] Frank: So there's Baird this weekend and we're hoping to have Matt Snell on next week.
[2533.04] Frank: Lots of small cups, not a huge chunks, Jack.
[2537.04] Frank: Talk to us about how that went.
[2540.04] Frank: Also last night as of recording,
[2544.04] Frank: there was the BDRA EGM about some updates to the rules
[2550.04] Frank: before their new season starts in anger.
[2555.04] Frank: Well, it's sort of already started,
[2557.04] Frank: but before they have a load of events this year.
[2561.04] Frank: Very angry.
[2563.04] Frank: Judging by, you know, I've met races.
[2567.04] Frank: I know what happens when you put them all in a room.
[2570.04] Frank: They get very angry.
[2572.04] Frank: It's like...
[2578.39] Frank: But yeah, so we've got a third coming on week after next.
[2584.39] Frank: Leave it and leave it back.
[2586.39] Stephen: Tony won't love you if you cut that.
[2588.39] Stephen: Oh my gosh.
[2589.39] Tony: You could have left that bit and put a little leggy bear around it and groom it.
[2593.39] Stephen: You just got past the Amish phase as well.
[2596.39] Stephen: No, you're firmly in the barn raising territory, aren't you?
[2600.39] Tony: I can't believe you're doing that on your own.
[2603.39] Stephen: Well, Patreons, please donate so that we can buy Jack a barber.
[2607.39] Tony: We need to leave.
[2609.39] Tony: I'll bet he sends that to someone.
[2611.39] Tony: Probably blood on him.
[2613.39] Tony: Yeah, you tone.
[2614.39] Tony: See?
[2615.39] Tony: No, you're fine.
[2616.39] Tony: Keep going.
[2617.39] Tony: You're going for scruffy envelopes.
[2618.39] Tony: Have you spoken about wings and wheels?
[2620.39] Tony: Anything going on?
[2621.39] Tony: Yeah.
[2623.39] Frank: The sign-up for pilots to display at wings and wheels is closing this weekend.
[2631.39] Frank: I'm total good authority.
[2633.39] Frank: So anyone who did want to bring anything, you're better going to like quick.
[2639.39] Frank: Yeah, I've got to do that.
[2640.39] Stephen: Of course, you can still bring your five-watt FPV ground vehicles.
[2644.39] Stephen: No one will complain.
[2647.39] Stephen: It plays down.
[2649.39] Frank: What Tony said.
[2653.09] Stephen: Well, I think I lost signal for a second.
[2656.09] Stephen: I'll just turn it up to 10 more.
[2658.09] Stephen: Oh, that's better.
[2659.09] Stephen: I can see.
[2660.09] Tony: Well, just turn something on.
[2662.09] Tony: I'm selling this product.
[2663.09] Tony: It's an FPV product.
[2665.09] Tony: You want to see how it works on X-Class?
[2670.09] Jack: Yeah.
[2671.09] Jack: What are you going to do about the whole X-Class and not being able to buy parts?
[2679.09] Stephen: What should we not be able to buy parts?
[2681.09] Stephen: Oh, the ESCs.
[2684.09] Stephen: Oh, because they're going out of business.
[2686.09] Stephen: Well, they're dropping the consumer stuff, aren't they?
[2688.09] Stephen: Yeah.
[2689.09] Stephen: I've got four.
[2691.09] Tony: One goes wrong.
[2693.09] Tony: I have none.
[2695.09] Stephen: There was another.
[2697.09] Stephen: There was someone else who was doing similar ESCs because I almost bought some.
[2704.09] Stephen: They're like BL Heli 32, but big chunkers.
[2707.09] Stephen: They got up to 200 amps.
[2709.09] Tony: Oh, they should survive.
[2711.09] Stephen: Yeah.
[2712.09] Stephen: I'm trying to remember the name, but they're coming a bit cheaper than the Primo ones you had.
[2719.09] Tony: I think might have a couple left, you know, spares.
[2723.09] Stephen: Well, I mean, you can play that game if you want to.
[2725.09] Stephen: You like to stick to the one build, but if anyone's looking to build X-Class,
[2730.09] Stephen: there's a number of 12S and 14S ESCs that are out there right now that are not the aforementioned Aussie brand
[2738.09] Stephen: that has decided to stop making commercial copy ESCs.
[2744.09] Stephen: Now they just do business class stuff, basically.
[2748.09] Tony: Is that why they're doing it?
[2749.09] Tony: They're doing it for big?
[2750.09] Stephen: Yeah, because they make much more money per unit APD.
[2754.09] Stephen: They make a ton of money on the business stuff.
[2757.09] Frank: I have fewer people emailing them with awkward questions.
[2762.09] Frank: Exactly.
[2763.09] Frank: People are like, they're still using PWM.
[2765.09] Stephen: They don't care about performance.
[2767.09] Stephen: They're just going along at a hover with like no sudden movements.
[2771.09] Stephen: So it's an easy market to serve.
[2774.09] Tony: You've done quite a good job there, Jack.
[2777.09] Jack: I like my ESCs, like my health and safety lifting guides,
[2783.09] Jack: liftings with violent jerky movements.
[2789.09] Tony: We were joking that yours used to always be on fire.
[2795.09] Jack: That's not you from steaming them.
[2799.09] Jack: Fly color. That's it.
[2801.09] Jack: Fly color. That's the one.
[2804.09] Stephen: Fly color X cross HV.
[2808.09] Stephen: I think they're up to the HV3 series of that,
[2811.09] Stephen: and there's some big chunky ESCs that go up to what's the top?
[2819.09] Stephen: They definitely do 120 amp one, but I think they go bigger than 120.
[2823.09] Stephen: Oh, 160. Yeah.
[2826.09] Stephen: Flyingtech.co.uk stocks them.
[2830.09] Tony: Well, I don't know what I'm going to do about testing anything
[2834.09] Tony: because I haven't rejoined my field because I only flew there once last year.
[2841.09] Jack: Why don't you join just to hire the shepherd hut?
[2847.09] Tony: Because that's about 300 quid for the weekend.
[2852.09] Tony: I think I'm going to see if I can talk to the flying field and say,
[2858.09] Tony: can we do like a daily fly where we can just put a fiver in your bank
[2865.09] Tony: and fly there that day or whatever?
[2868.09] Stephen: I don't know if they're going for that.
[2871.09] Stephen: You just walked out in the morning and took a couple of 20s in their waistband
[2875.09] Stephen: and walk off in their socks.
[2880.09] Frank: Does Fossil still have a field?
[2884.09] Frank: I'm just wondering whether maybe there's a case for a pre-show X-class shakedown.
[2891.09] Tony: Yeah. I haven't spoke to Fossil for a little while.
[2895.09] Tony: I'll have to speak to him and see if he's going to go to Wings and Wheels.
[2898.09] Tony: I think he probably would.
[2900.09] Tony: Are we all going? Are you guys going? I'm going to go for the weekend.
[2903.09] Tony: I've just decided. I've decided today.
[2906.09] Frank: I've put in my pilot form to fly my race wing.
[2912.09] Tony: I've got to do that Saturday or tomorrow.
[2915.09] Tony: Jack, are you going?
[2917.09] Jack: I don't know. I'm going to keep it last minute.
[2922.09] Tony: So you won't get a ticket. Nice one.
[2926.09] Frank: It's a strategy.
[2928.09] Frank: It's a middle between you and Andy RC, Jack.
[2931.09] Tony: Andy's going to come, so it'd be nice to see him.
[2935.09] Frank: Yeah, but Andy got restraining order.
[2938.09] Frank: Four years.
[2939.09] Frank: So you're banned.
[2941.09] Tony: I think it's run out, isn't it?
[2943.09] Tony: It was only for four years.
[2945.09] Frank: Five years.
[2946.09] Tony: Was it five years?
[2948.09] Tony: You might be just on the cusp of being able to be in...
[2952.09] Jack: I'm not violating.
[2953.09] Tony: We could have you down one end of the runway and him up the other.
[2956.09] Jack: Andy, look what you're going to get.
[2958.09] Jack: It's one of those quibbles from Star Trek.
[2960.09] Tony: I'm going to put a little bit of eyes on it and stuff.
[2965.09] Tony: Oh, dear.
[2967.09] Stephen: You've got to turn that into a flying vehicle tone.
[2974.09] Tony: Don't send me that, you basket.
[2978.09] Jack: Yep. I grew it especially for you.
[2981.09] Jack: Thank you to all our lovely Patreons.
[2985.09] Jack: If somehow you've managed to get through this episode,
[2989.09] Jack: I'm very impressed.
[2992.09] Jack: Massive effort to Frank.
[2996.09] Jack: I'm trying to ride this show.
[3001.09] Jack: It was like a greased pig.
[3006.09] Jack: Massive thank you to all our lovely Patreons.
[3010.09] Tony: He's trying to wrangle it.
[3014.09] Tony: You can't carry on. Just turn it off.
[3019.09] Tony: Just turn it off, Jack.
[3021.09] Tony: Just turn it off and turn it off.
[3025.09] Stephen: Right, alright now.
[3031.09] Jack: Massive thank you to all the wonderful Patreons.
[3034.09] Jack: You have been joined by our Lord and Master Andrew slash Frank.
[3039.09] Jack: Bye.
[3041.09] Jack: The man with the moustache, Steven.
[3044.09] Stephen: Thank you for watching our greased pig.
[3049.09] Jack: My darling wife, Tony.
[3051.09] Jack: Ex-wife, bitch.
[3053.09] Jack: No.
[3055.09] Jack: Makers are in the post.
[3057.09] Jack: And I've been bright until I fly.
[3060.09] Jack: Thank you very much. Good night.
[3062.09] Tony: Bye.
[3064.09] Jack: Tally ho.
[3066.09] Tony: Telemetry lost.