=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 443 ===
Title: LDO 443 - Containing Serious Tangential Conversation
Recorded: 2024-02-22
Hosts: Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 945
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6AP4ZbsdoA); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1756797891-letsdroneout-ldo-443-containing-serious-tangential-conversation.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello and you're listening to Let's Drone Out and special thank you to our lovely patrons that helped donate so that we could pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things we say. Massive thank you to.
[14.0] Jack: Carlos Campos.
[16.0] Jack: Art Faulkner.
[18.0] Stephen: Sam Dahmer.
[20.0] Frank: On with the show.
[22.0] Frank: Let's Drone Out now.
[52.42] Jack: And welcome back. You're listening to Let's Drone Out. Tonight we are joined by a Lord of Master, Andrew S. Frank.
[59.42] Frank: Evening.
[61.42] Jack: The man with my star, Steven.
[63.42] Jack: Good evening.
[64.42] Jack: My darling wife, Tony.
[66.42] Jack: Bonjour.
[67.42] Jack: And I am bright until I fly. Welcome to the show.
[72.42] Jack: Steven, do you want to continue?
[78.42] Stephen: So, yeah, probably not done a lot of flying, as I was just saying, I went for a walk for about like five minutes today and was so soaked I had to hairdry my trousers when I got back inside.
[88.42] Stephen: So, limited flying has occurred.
[92.42] Frank: Absolutely rubbish out there, isn't it?
[94.42] Frank: I think we've got a break tomorrow.
[97.73] Frank: I think Saturday was meant to be all right, possibly.
[103.23] Frank: What about tomorrow? I've got to earn some money.
[107.23] Stephen: Well, you might be able to go and do some windows, but flying is difficult, especially where it's like clay here.
[113.23] Stephen: And even if the rain does stop for a half hour, you're still six inches deep in water everywhere.
[118.23] Frank: I can't mountain bike, can't fly.
[121.23] Frank: I could just about play airsoft.
[123.23] Stephen: Canoeing, on the other hand, is prime condition to that.
[127.23] Frank: What on the other hand?
[129.23] Stephen: Canoeing.
[130.23] Stephen: Canoeing.
[131.23] Frank: Get your kayak out.
[132.23] Frank: I could kayak.
[133.23] Stephen: Kayak everywhere right now.
[135.23] Stephen: Universal kayaking territory.
[137.23] Frank: Yeah.
[138.23] Frank: Kayak could do better down some of my roads than the car does.
[142.23] Frank: Kayak down the shops, get a Kit-Kat.
[145.23] Frank: It's been a proper wet month, isn't it? Absolutely correct.
[150.23] Frank: Yep, absolutely.
[153.23] Frank: It was reasonable last Saturday and I ended up spending it all building a shed.
[160.23] Frank: So, I didn't get out to fly either.
[162.23] Frank: Ah.
[163.23] Frank: Never mind.
[164.23] Frank: But it means I have a shed.
[166.23] Frank: Ah.
[167.23] Frank: So, you've got a proper workshop now.
[169.23] Frank: At the moment, the only thing in the shed is a garden shredder, which will chew through
[178.23] Frank: a load of hedges.
[180.23] Jack: I've been quiet about it.
[182.23] Jack: How many kilowatts is it?
[185.23] Jack: How many horsepower?
[187.23] Stephen: Two and a half kilowatts.
[189.23] Stephen: You found suitably dangerous.
[192.64] Stephen: Good luck.
[193.64] Frank: Yeah, exactly.
[194.64] Jack: Don't cut your dick off or macerate your face.
[199.64] Jack: Please, Frank.
[200.64] Stephen: So, as you may have noticed recently, we're now past Valentine's Day and I got my wife
[211.64] Stephen: a special Valentine's Day present this year that she's been looking for.
[216.64] Stephen: And I thought, you know, place my strengths.
[218.64] Stephen: So, I got her a CNC router.
[221.64] Stephen: You've got voice booth.
[223.64] Stephen: Nice.
[224.64] Stephen: Now I've got sitting on the kitchen table waiting to be set up.
[226.64] Stephen: So, that will be interesting.
[227.64] Stephen: Absolutely.
[228.64] Frank: Yeah.
[229.64] Frank: Nice.
[230.64] Frank: What sort of CNC router have you got?
[233.64] Stephen: It's from Sainsmart and they seem to get great reviews for, they make 3D printing filament
[239.64] Stephen: and they've got some really good reviews for their beginner kits.
[242.64] Stephen: So, I got something largely unpronounceable.
[245.64] Stephen: String of figures that was very highly reviewed.
[247.64] Stephen: Genmitsu 3018 Prover 2.
[253.64] Stephen: Yeah.
[254.64] Stephen: Yeah.
[255.64] Stephen: They do this thing where every time they do a model revision, they add in like another
[259.64] Stephen: word on the end.
[260.64] Stephen: So, you end up with these colossally long unpronounceable, unmemorable names that you
[264.64] Stephen: just have to like copy and paste.
[268.64] Stephen: Yeah.
[269.64] Stephen: She seems very happy with that.
[270.64] Frank: I've appreciated it.
[271.64] Frank: Yeah.
[272.64] Stephen: Yeah.
[273.64] Stephen: She seems really, really chuffed with it.
[274.64] Stephen: So, that's good.
[275.64] Stephen: Got a little offline controller.
[276.64] Stephen: Had to shop around to find the offline controller which is the bit that lets you put an SD card
[281.2] Stephen: into it so you don't need to leave laptop tethered to it because especially with one
[285.04] Stephen: of these guys, you know, it's throwing out dust and crap and you don't really want your
[290.48] Stephen: computer stuck right next to it the whole time if it's just spewing sawdust everywhere.
[294.64] Stephen: So, yeah, that should come in handy.
[297.28] Stephen: And they were quite difficult to find that set me back a bit.
[300.64] Stephen: But yeah, I say this because they actually had Valentine's Day promos on these and I
[305.64] Stephen: started off thinking that's hilarious.
[306.64] Stephen: And then I was just like, actually, wait a minute, actually, good work.
[310.64] Stephen: Nice.
[311.64] UNKNOWN: Very good.
[312.64] Frank: I'm just saying there's not any drama going on in the FPV scene we could talk about.
[322.16] Stephen: Yeah.
[323.4] Stephen: Ensuring FPV influencer slap fights or something.
[329.48] Jack: Someone who's not been watching any of this can someone explain to me what's going on?
[337.12] Jack: Shall I have a shot?
[338.12] Jack: Who's up there?
[339.12] Stephen: Okay.
[340.12] Stephen: So, Bot Grinder did a video about kind of what happened with FPV and he traced through
[344.52] Stephen: what people did.
[345.52] Stephen: We talked about this with Curry and, you know, Andy, I'll see him people in the past where
[348.8] Stephen: there was a period of time where you could make a decent bit of cash just doing honest
[353.52] Stephen: technical reviews and then the affiliate stuff got a bit more aggressive and people were
[358.76] Stephen: trying to push really hard to get affiliate links and then it became, you know, you had
[363.4] Stephen: these awkward arrangements where you had to say nice things about products and some people
[367.0] Stephen: kind of backed away from that and some people went all in on it.
[370.56] Stephen: And so you've got very much this split that's occurred where some people are absolutely
[376.2] Stephen: just taking money to do reviews or at the very least, you know, please send me lots
[379.8] Stephen: of free products that I'll give away to grow my channel and other people are like, alright,
[384.4] Stephen: I'm going to be an arbiter of what works and what doesn't work and you can see like Curry's
[389.56] Stephen: last review he did is like getting a 3D printer, uses the 3D printer, it completely fouls up
[396.04] Stephen: prints and he leaves it in the video and says, look, it's fouling up prints and this is something
[401.88] Stephen: you might find if you buy the product but you can fix it and here's how you fix it and
[406.84] Stephen: now I've done these things, my prints really good.
[409.28] Stephen: So this is useful to people who might buy the product and you have other people who
[414.92] Stephen: say this is the best ever and you can scroll through their videos and you can see that
[419.48] Stephen: time after time, they will say the product is the best ever and they might say for example
[425.8] Stephen: that they have the drone of the year three or four times running month after month after
[432.48] Stephen: month and you begin to question why is it every time you review a drone, it's the drone
[437.96] Stephen: of the year?
[438.96] Stephen: Are these all great?
[439.96] Stephen: And you look down the list and there's things like an Isheen Tyro which is given the best
[444.08] Stephen: beginner drone and you think Isheen normally just throws a bunch of crap in a box and then
[449.76] Stephen: discounts it.
[450.96] Stephen: So is it, would you recommend that for a beginner?
[453.64] Stephen: That's interesting and a bot grinder, you know, threw in some thumbnails from one of
[458.2] Stephen: these people when he did his little kind of, didn't mention them by name, just thrown in
[462.0] Stephen: some thumbnails and the person got so aggravated that they decided to call attention to who
[466.64] Stephen: they were.
[467.64] Stephen: No one even knew who he was talking about until they started making a big noise about
[473.2] Stephen: it and they could have got a lawyer involved which they probably should have but instead
[478.44] Stephen: they appear to have...
[479.44] Jack: Hang on.
[480.44] Jack: Hang on.
[481.44] Stephen: Wait, wait, wait.
[482.44] Stephen: Hang on.
[483.44] Jack: They looked like it was written by a...
[484.44] Jack: If you were inspired by any edits on the show, personal may not reflect the views of others.
[489.2] Stephen: They sent a letter out that looked like it had been ghostwritten by an AI that didn't
[495.12] Stephen: make sense and looked sort of like a cease and desist if you squinted and then when questioned
[500.44] Stephen: about it by Bardwell said that, oh, it's not a cease and desist, I didn't get a lawyer
[505.48] Stephen: to write it.
[506.48] Stephen: I just want him to take the video down.
[507.92] Stephen: So they sent someone a cease and desist without legal backing just to try and give someone
[515.32] Stephen: the fear and get them to...
[517.2] Stephen: It's just all massive strides and defects, basically.
[521.48] Stephen: Instead of softly, softly, hello, mate, it'd be really nice if you did this, it's all just
[526.28] Stephen: like threats, threats, threats.
[528.28] Frank: I mean, all good reviewers who say it's good to do our podcast, yeah, it's really good,
[537.92] Jack: well, no, I mean, we were reviewed as not even being a drone podcast anymore.
[544.92] Jack: There was too much twatting around.
[547.92] Stephen: When has there ever not been too much twatting around?
[551.92] Stephen: Is citation required?
[554.92] Frank: Yeah.
[556.92] Frank: I liked it when we twatted around even more than now.
[561.92] Jack: Are we not twatting around?
[563.92] Jack: There have been some panties in a twist.
[566.92] Jack: Oh, yeah.
[567.92] Stephen: But I think everyone kind of knows that the person involved wasn't really reviewing.
[571.92] Stephen: They were doing puff nieces because you just had to look at their video thumbnails and
[575.92] Stephen: there's not a single negative.
[577.92] Stephen: I mean, look at someone like Mads Tech or Curry Kit and someone like that who's getting
[582.92] Stephen: products and they're looking at them and they'll have things like, oh, this didn't work or
[586.92] Stephen: there's a problem with this.
[588.92] Stephen: They'll be good bits and then they'll be bad bits.
[590.92] Stephen: But if you look at someone and everything is amazing and everything is hyperbole, it
[595.92] Stephen: paints a very clear picture.
[598.92] Frank: Unless maybe they get loads of things and they only review the good ones.
[604.92] Frank: Maybe that's what they're doing.
[607.92] Stephen: When the same product's sent to another site, they find problems with it.
[611.92] Stephen: This person, you know.
[614.92] Jack: They're just a happy person.
[616.92] Jack: It's not necessarily the reviewer's fault.
[619.92] Jack: Look at DK Aldi's.
[624.81] Stephen: Maybe he's just a very capable reviewer and he works around problems that might stop other
[628.81] Stephen: people.
[630.81] Stephen: He looks at an E-Sheen drone and he's like, yeah, I mean, that's just 72 hours of resoldering
[636.81] Stephen: and reprogramming and I'll have that.
[638.81] Stephen: Good as rain.
[639.81] Stephen: I won't mention any of it.
[641.81] Stephen: That's what you expect, right?
[644.81] Stephen: That's what every beginner does.
[645.81] Stephen: Best beginner drone.
[647.81] Frank: I think people should do follow up videos.
[650.81] Frank: Six months in, what do you really think about it now?
[654.81] Jack: Six months in, you can no longer buy it, but it's been all right.
[659.81] Stephen: But for stuff like goggles and radios, that makes a ton of sense.
[663.81] Stephen: Things that you're going to live with.
[666.81] Frank: Yeah, I think you should do that.
[671.12] Stephen: You look at a desk chair or something.
[673.12] Stephen: If you were to review something like that, you'd want to review someone who's been sitting
[677.12] Stephen: on it for a while, not just, oh, it's all shiny.
[680.12] Stephen: Oh, look at all the plastic.
[683.12] Stephen: I think Andy also used to do a few of those, didn't he kind of revisit stuff a little bit
[687.12] Stephen: later and kick the tires.
[690.12] Jack: I remember when Andy got praised for the best tuned quad in the world.
[696.12] Jack: That caused him upset.
[698.12] Jack: Do you want some real panty twisting action?
[702.12] Jack: Yeah, I remember that.
[704.12] Jack: He released some pits and someone wasn't very happy about.
[709.12] Jack: And having Andy know how to tune a quad.
[713.12] Jack: No.
[715.12] Jack: Andy's the dog pit level reviewer.
[719.12] Stephen: He always used to retune everything.
[721.12] Stephen: It's kind of stopped now.
[722.12] Stephen: But I remember seeing his videos.
[724.12] Stephen: He'd be like, oh, yeah, this wasn't quite right.
[726.12] Stephen: So I up the D Danes and I did this.
[728.12] Stephen: And there was a bit of a wobble.
[729.12] Stephen: And now look after I tuned it flies like this.
[733.12] Stephen: I can't remember the last time I saw someone do that.
[736.12] Jack: Yeah.
[738.53] Jack: No one knows to have a tune anymore.
[741.53] Jack: And also I liked Andy and his speed gun as well.
[746.53] Jack: He was like one of those grandmas that stand on the tennis ball measuring thing.
[757.53] Frank: I've got a cool.
[758.53] Frank: I've got grannies.
[761.53] Frank: You got caught by granny in a hair dryer.
[767.53] Frank: Also 35 and a 30 and she threw her fist up.
[770.53] Jack: Maybe.
[771.53] Jack: Allegedly.
[773.53] Jack: This is your reverse back at 40.
[775.53] Frank: Just to run away.
[783.53] Frank: I'm a good boy.
[784.53] Frank: I'll drive at 30 everywhere.
[786.53] Frank: Even on the motorway.
[788.53] Jack: Even in car parks.
[796.53] Frank: So slowly when you get into 20s.
[803.53] Jack: Well, no, it's important.
[804.53] Jack: You might as well just get out of your car and walk.
[806.53] Frank: Yeah.
[808.53] Frank: And he says a lot of the time early bird bind and flies had junk pits.
[813.53] Frank: I come up with me.
[815.53] Frank: Amazing.
[816.53] Frank: They would end up getting shipped with them.
[819.53] Frank: Yeah.
[820.53] Frank: Yeah.
[821.53] Frank: Just to show you that Andy.
[824.53] Frank: Let's just do a tune.
[827.53] Frank: They should have.
[828.53] Frank: They make it right.
[830.53] Frank: And then we copy it and then send it.
[832.53] Frank: That's definitely a complaint that Lee's made, isn't it?
[836.53] Frank: The painless 360.
[839.53] Frank: And he's said he's not taking any more retail models because that basically they
[843.53] Frank: were just shipping him hardware that technically operated with that.
[848.53] Frank: It wasn't tuned at all.
[850.53] Frank: And then we just kind of hope that it worked out because they couldn't work it
[854.53] Frank: out.
[860.53] Frank: Yeah.
[861.53] Frank: So it's sort of, you know, you have to put a limit on.
[865.53] Frank: I know Andy's found that as well at times that just being swamped with just so many
[871.53] Frank: things that people have sent you to review, it's like, well, you know, I don't
[876.53] Frank: have time to fix all this.
[878.53] Frank: Yeah, right.
[879.53] Stephen: And he would wait until the thing flew properly before filming it.
[883.53] Stephen: These days you see some of the big guys that, oh, this flies terribly.
[887.53] Stephen: And that's it.
[888.53] Stephen: I'm like, okay.
[889.53] Stephen: And Andy would just sit down there and be like, oh, it wasn't flying properly.
[893.53] Stephen: Therefore I did this like two weeks worth of troubleshooting and put like 20 hours
[898.53] Stephen: into fixing the thing for, you know, 15 minute video.
[902.53] Frank: I think that's, you know, that's worthwhile doing occasionally.
[906.53] Frank: Like, particularly if there's like a slightly, like if a new product has come out that's
[911.53] Frank: slightly different from everything else or it's like much cheaper than everything else
[915.53] Frank: that meets that same requirement, you know, maybe it's an entry level thing.
[918.53] Frank: You know, maybe it is worth putting a bit of time in and working out how to get the
[922.53] Frank: most out of that hardware because that's the sort of person who's going to get it.
[927.53] Frank: But, you know, if a manufacturer is just not even bothering trying to tune it and just
[931.53] Frank: sending you loads and loads and loads of whatever they've come up with, then that's not,
[936.53] Frank: that's not really fair, is it?
[938.53] Frank: And he's here saying the Dynatone 349 would not even fly without his tune.
[943.53] Frank: That's what Jack's referring to.
[945.53] Frank: And they came into this habit of shipping them without flying them.
[948.53] Frank: And he got fed of it, fed up of it.
[951.53] Stephen: Yeah.
[952.53] Stephen: That's when he got the speed record with, I think, the 349, the six S1.
[957.53] Jack: Like his friendship with Jack.
[960.53] Jack: He got sick of that as well.
[964.53] Jack: It's all the dog's bottoms.
[966.53] Frank: Not the rowing bottoms.
[969.53] Jack: No, it was the dry humping.
[972.53] Frank: Yeah.
[973.53] Stephen: That's what he said.
[975.53] Stephen: It's an entirely correlated friendship, dry humping.
[979.53] Frank: Tailspin obviously says he's not flown any five-inch and up in about four years, just
[984.53] Frank: sub-250 micros, which I think makes a lot of sense.
[989.53] Frank: Yeah.
[990.53] Frank: The sort of thing you can just chuck in a bearing and fly anywhere.
[993.53] Frank: Yeah.
[994.53] Frank: There's definitely an appeal to that.
[996.53] Stephen: Yeah.
[997.53] Stephen: That's kind of where I'm going as well.
[998.53] Stephen: Like, you know, I've built seven inches, built a whole bunch of five inches.
[1001.53] Stephen: And I find I hardly ever fly them.
[1004.53] Stephen: It's great you've got all this space for the fanciest this, that, and the other.
[1007.53] Stephen: And everything can carry a GPS.
[1009.53] Stephen: Everything carries a GoPro.
[1010.53] Stephen: But if you hardly ever fly them, it's difficult.
[1015.53] Frank: Cheers.
[1017.53] Frank: Especially when it's raining on.
[1022.81] Frank: We need to go on holiday.
[1023.81] Frank: Go fly somewhere.
[1025.81] Stephen: Well, I think the trip to Croatia is going ahead.
[1028.81] Stephen: There you go, right there.
[1030.81] Stephen: I'm not sure I will.
[1032.81] Stephen: Just didn't enjoy the flying bit.
[1034.81] Stephen: And I haven't got time to do the road trip.
[1036.81] Stephen: So it wasn't sure how to make it work, really.
[1040.81] Stephen: But yeah, if anyone's interested, then the unmanned tech crew are heading over there.
[1045.81] Stephen: I'm sure you can reach them on their Discord.
[1047.81] Stephen: Say hi.
[1049.81] Jack: I thought you had unlimited time off.
[1053.81] Stephen: Yeah, I just there's a lot of places I want to go.
[1056.81] Stephen: And I can't just take two weeks.
[1059.81] Stephen: I don't know.
[1061.81] Stephen: I wasn't feeling too great when they were setting it up.
[1063.81] Stephen: And I thought I just needed a bit of actual quiet time.
[1066.81] Stephen: Not like, you know, spending all my time.
[1069.81] Jack: I'm tired of the CNC router.
[1073.81] Stephen: Yeah, yeah.
[1075.81] Stephen: Well, just, you know, standing around Bandos all day and eating junk food all the time.
[1080.81] Stephen: I thought, I don't know, quite tired at the end of it.
[1084.81] Stephen: So a low key holiday.
[1089.81] Frank: I do feel like FPV road trips usually require, like, a week to recover from.
[1095.81] Stephen: There's a lot of time in the car.
[1097.81] Stephen: You're getting up pretty early, spending a lot of time in the car.
[1100.81] Stephen: Unless you're driving, you kind of just have to hang around
[1104.81] Stephen: until everyone else wants to go back.
[1106.81] Stephen: And then, you know, on the beers in the evening
[1108.81] Stephen: and then someone's always up at stupid o'clock in the morning afterwards.
[1114.38] Jack: Yeah.
[1115.38] Jack: And then put the sausages in the dark and, you know.
[1121.38] Jack: Is that what they call it?
[1123.38] Jack: You know, we all have our little voices, shall we say?
[1127.38] Jack: Isn't that right, Andy?
[1129.38] Frank: Hello, Lumbskull, just during the chat.
[1133.38] Jack: Hey, Lumbskull, how's it going?
[1136.69] Frank: I think he was building RC cars, didn't he say?
[1142.69] Frank: Oh, am I doing another one of them?
[1144.69] Frank: I think the grass on mine is quite cheap.
[1146.69] Frank: We might do the grass hopper.
[1148.69] Stephen: Yeah, I've still got one kicking around down there.
[1152.69] Stephen: I've got a tank down there as well.
[1155.69] Jack: You've actually got an official release for your radio master.
[1163.69] Jack: RC car, haven't you?
[1165.69] Jack: Controller.
[1167.69] Stephen: Excuse me, pardon?
[1169.69] Frank: The MT-12.
[1171.69] Stephen: Oh, yeah.
[1173.69] Stephen: That's been out for a while.
[1175.69] Stephen: Yeah.
[1176.69] Stephen: I recommend getting out.
[1178.69] Jack: Yeah, I was saying this, I think, what's it called?
[1184.69] Jack: Not OpenTX.
[1186.69] Jack: The HDX has got an official release now for it.
[1190.69] Stephen: Ah, I may need to actually upgrade.
[1192.69] Stephen: I did check HDX the other day.
[1196.69] Stephen: I think.
[1199.69] Stephen: I've heard.
[1201.69] Stephen: Things have really slowed down the last year.
[1205.69] Stephen: There's not been this flurry of new software releases.
[1209.69] Stephen: Well, it hasn't been new hardware either.
[1211.69] Stephen: Everything just seems to have gotten a bit of a damper on it.
[1213.69] Jack: Well, there is a war going on and can't tell me.
[1221.06] Stephen: I mean, there's a war going on, which has a lot of FPV equipment going into it as well.
[1227.06] Frank: So the point where the UK government has released a press release saying they're spending,
[1237.06] Frank: well, they're committing £200 million to FPV equipment for Ukraine.
[1243.06] Stephen: That's 200 quads built in Sheffield.
[1247.06] Frank: They said thousands of quads or thousands of drones.
[1252.06] Frank: So I'm taking that to mean somewhere between £1,999 and maybe £19,999.
[1264.06] Frank: Because if it was £20,000, it'd be tens of thousands.
[1267.06] Frank: So it's less than that.
[1269.06] Frank: Well, it's going to be safer than missiles, isn't it?
[1273.06] Stephen: Well, there is that.
[1274.06] Stephen: I imagine they've got some old stock kicking around.
[1278.06] Jack: With the gyros off a few things.
[1282.06] Jack: Yeah, get some old stuff.
[1284.06] Jack: They are screwed into them.
[1286.06] Jack: Don't use that as a sound by the editor.
[1292.06] Jack: It's actually my destinations.
[1294.06] Frank: Yeah.
[1296.06] Frank: What's the kind of feel within the community, do you think?
[1302.06] Frank: The fact that the government is spending £200 million on drone equipment.
[1308.06] Frank: Is that a good thing?
[1310.06] Frank: Is that a bad thing?
[1312.06] Frank: We should not trust it.
[1314.06] Stephen: Do you trust our government?
[1316.06] Stephen: I mean, it comes down to it.
[1320.06] Jack: I wouldn't trust them to operate a microwave.
[1326.06] Jack: Who stuck a screen in it?
[1329.06] Stephen: If it was a serious aid package,
[1332.06] Stephen: I think Russia would probably be complaining about it.
[1335.06] Stephen: So I'm going to say it's not a serious aid package.
[1339.06] Frank: Well, they probably work better than the stupid things firing out of a supper.
[1344.06] Frank: Oh my God.
[1346.06] Frank: Oh, Monday Curry Club.
[1349.06] Jack: That was fantastic reading this afternoon.
[1353.06] Jack: Oh my God.
[1355.06] Jack: You little whingers.
[1358.06] Jack: It's a secret society.
[1364.06] Frank: Well, we go for a curry on a Monday.
[1369.06] Frank: We went for a curry on a Monday like twice.
[1372.06] Frank: Three years ago.
[1377.06] Frank: It's the secret.
[1379.06] Jack: And the fact still exists.
[1382.06] Jack: And it consists of Tony said something stupid.
[1385.06] Jack: Frank tells him why he's wrong.
[1388.06] Jack: Or Frank says something.
[1390.06] Jack: Oh my God, have you seen this?
[1392.06] Jack: And then Tony whingers about it.
[1394.06] Jack: And the tin foil hat just goes straight on.
[1397.06] Jack: And then you don't hear off Frank and I'm left to deal with it.
[1400.06] Jack: I've just got like reams of like,
[1403.06] Jack: wow, the aliens are coming.
[1406.06] Jack: And I'm just like,
[1408.06] Jack: yeah.
[1411.06] Stephen: I did check on HTX and I don't see any mention of the MT12.
[1416.06] Stephen: So I don't think they actually have added that yet.
[1420.06] Jack: What about OpenTX?
[1423.89] Stephen: That's not live anymore.
[1425.89] Stephen: That's been dead for years, mate.
[1428.89] Frank: Don't ever upgrade your transmitter.
[1432.89] Frank: I've still got stuff that you need to rebind.
[1438.89] Jack: Well, I don't.
[1440.89] Jack: I'm not there anymore.
[1441.89] Frank: Well, that's no excuse.
[1445.89] Stephen: There's no excuse for not fixing my kit.
[1448.89] Stephen: I don't want you to come over here.
[1450.89] Frank: Well, he did ruin it all, so.
[1454.89] Frank: What did you do, Jack?
[1457.89] Jack: I updated that.
[1459.89] Frank: You updated stuff, which didn't update the quads, obviously.
[1463.89] Stephen: Oh, here we are.
[1464.89] Stephen: The last OpenTX release, 22nd of April 2022.
[1468.89] Frank: That was the day he ruined everything.
[1476.89] Frank: What have you got there, Jack?
[1479.89] Frank: You've got like a cotton bud.
[1481.89] Frank: What are you doing?
[1484.89] Frank: I think Clive in the chat said bring back fireworks and stuff.
[1489.89] Frank: I wasn't sure if it was a lithium battery or like a little stick of dynamite.
[1495.87] Frank: It's one or the other.
[1499.31] Frank: Either way, it's a concern.
[1502.75] Frank: A cause for concern.
[1504.75] Frank: Let's have a look.
[1505.75] Frank: You're not playing the new Logos, are you?
[1509.75] Frank: No.
[1510.75] Stephen: Oh, Frank, do you have a picture of the new battery technology that you dug out?
[1515.75] Frank: Yeah, the new battery technology, the Flow batteries.
[1518.75] Frank: I mean, they're not exactly new.
[1520.75] Frank: They've been around for like...
[1522.75] Frank: TSA approved, I think, as well.
[1524.75] Frank: It's been 50 years or something stupid, but they're sort of becoming more useful than that.
[1530.75] Frank: Is it?
[1533.75] Jack: Is that NSA approved?
[1536.75] Jack: Is Tony allowed to say some things?
[1538.75] Jack: What, Black Dad?
[1539.75] Stephen: Is Tony allowed to really open his mouth next to a microphone?
[1543.75] Frank: I'll say yes.
[1545.75] Frank: Oh, dear.
[1547.75] Frank: What's wrong with the fact that battery was a thing?
[1550.75] Frank: Yeah, absolutely.
[1552.75] Jack: It's a ceramic part, isn't it?
[1554.75] Jack: With bits of metal sticking out.
[1557.75] Frank: Yeah, it was one of the first batteries ever.
[1560.75] Frank: Here we go.
[1561.75] Stephen: So, yeah, I think you're actually encouraged to take one of these on a flight,
[1565.75] Stephen: and the TSA will say, yes, sir, please go through the gate.
[1568.75] Stephen: That's fine.
[1570.75] Stephen: If you're going to be allowed 10 lipos, you carry 25 of these, no problem, mate.
[1577.75] Frank: So, it's got two types of vanadium that it flushes through a little cell down here.
[1585.75] Frank: So, it's powering a little propeller in this video here.
[1590.75] Stephen: It looks like a cross between a prop of a bomb and a dialysis.
[1596.75] Stephen: Yeah, that's about right.
[1598.75] Frank: Yeah, definitely let you through.
[1600.75] Frank: How did it work?
[1602.75] Frank: What the...
[1605.75] Frank: So, like a normal battery, you've got your two dissimilar materials
[1610.75] Frank: that have got a potential difference between them,
[1612.75] Frank: and it's pushing electrons around the circuit.
[1616.75] Frank: On this one, instead of it being like a lithium electrode
[1620.75] Frank: and a different electrode that I can't remember actually what's in a lipo battery,
[1625.75] Frank: but instead of the two electrodes, it's got two liquids that are the two dissimilar materials,
[1633.75] Frank: which means that you can have a lot more without worrying about the sort of internal resistance of it.
[1641.75] Frank: But, yeah, it's just a thing that it's been around for decades and decades and decades,
[1649.75] Frank: but it's coming into the new cycle again because there's some companies being set up
[1654.75] Frank: to build them on a really big scale for power grid energy storage,
[1661.75] Frank: because we've got lots of renewable energy, which doesn't happen at the same time
[1665.75] Frank: that we actually use the electricity.
[1668.75] Frank: So, there's some big sort of energy storage systems being built,
[1673.75] Frank: and there's a company, I presume, somewhere building these flow batteries for that.
[1679.75] Frank: But because they're building that, there's been some press releases about it,
[1684.75] Frank: and so there's like loads of little newspapers are picking it up and being like,
[1688.75] Frank: oh, you're going to be able to fill up your phone at a petrol station or whatever.
[1695.75] Frank: So, I imagine at some point there is going to be a news article about how you're going to be able to have a drone
[1701.75] Frank: that lasts for hours and you fill it up in seconds.
[1706.75] Frank: And at the moment, it's good for something that's stationary and stores a lot of electricity.
[1714.75] Frank: It's not going to be good for drones any time soon, but that could change at some point.
[1721.75] Stephen: What people don't realize about the grid is it's just a means of moving electricity.
[1725.75] Stephen: There's zero storage in there.
[1727.75] Stephen: So, all this stuff about renewables aren't consistently putting out the same amount of power.
[1733.75] Stephen: You need to store the peaks and soak it up during the troughs.
[1737.75] Stephen: And right now, no energy grid really does that.
[1741.75] Stephen: You need to splice batteries into it and redesign old grid, which is where the sodium matter is.
[1753.75] Jack: I would really, really like to make a mockumentary about how Tony did do Gatwick and make it
[1764.75] Jack: and be like, he had the possibility, he lived close, he had life.
[1770.75] Jack: I've looked into it.
[1773.75] Jack: He had a monkey called Jack that could have built him this said drone that could fly in.
[1783.75] Jack: He was sponsored by tech tanks that make tanks for boats.
[1790.75] Frank: You need to scroll that thing across again.
[1794.75] Jack: Proper, like, nutty bits of string with photos of Frank being like, yes, it must be Tony.
[1807.75] Jack: It would be so funny to see if anyone takes it seriously.
[1812.75] Jack: The police, after like 40 years, show up at Tony's house.
[1816.75] Jack: It really does look like the diode battery.
[1819.75] Stephen: Yeah, this is one that's featured in the press, apparently, Frank.
[1824.75] Stephen: This is a large flow battery, apparently.
[1827.75] Stephen: This is exactly the type of thing that the TSA want you to take on aircraft.
[1832.75] Stephen: Nice.
[1834.75] Jack: Yeah.
[1836.75] Jack: No problem there.
[1839.75] Jack: Tony would probably piss in the batteries and be like, I'm better to get more.
[1846.75] Jack: He's making his own water at one point when I first met him.
[1852.75] Frank: Yeah, I was actually.
[1855.75] Stephen: Wow.
[1856.75] Stephen: I don't know what you can say to that.
[1861.75] Frank: It's this kind of water that you could fill up a bath with and safely have a toaster and kettle in there at the same time and you wouldn't.
[1871.75] Frank: That sort of water.
[1873.75] Frank: Yeah.
[1874.75] Jack: Yeah.
[1875.75] Jack: What is it like?
[1876.75] Jack: Deep in your eyes by some sort of polymer.
[1881.75] Frank: Literally pure.
[1882.75] Frank: So it doesn't conduct electricity.
[1886.75] Jack: Yes.
[1887.75] Jack: Yeah.
[1888.75] Jack: What was it in those tanks?
[1890.75] Jack: Resin.
[1891.75] Jack: Resin?
[1892.75] Jack: Mm hmm.
[1894.75] Frank: They still use it.
[1896.75] Frank: Yeah, they still use it to polish off the water.
[1898.75] Frank: They use it in like big places where they make glasses and stuff like that.
[1903.75] Frank: So your glasses were made were finished like that.
[1910.75] Frank: And apparently the resin, you can restore it by using some kind of acid on it or something.
[1916.75] Frank: Hydrochloric acid.
[1919.75] Frank: And it does something.
[1920.75] Frank: I don't know.
[1921.75] Frank: But I know that you can make it work again.
[1925.75] Frank: It cleans windows really well.
[1928.75] Frank: That's all I know.
[1930.75] UNKNOWN: I just buy it now.
[1931.75] Frank: I don't bother making it.
[1933.75] Frank: Do you remember hearing about sodium batteries, Frank?
[1938.75] Stephen: I've heard about some really giant building size batteries where they just got a whole
[1946.75] Stephen: bunch of like rock salt or something and they just had sodium chloride in an industrial
[1953.75] Stephen: quantities, like tons of it.
[1955.75] Stephen: And they used it to keep entire towns running if their power was flaky.
[1960.75] Stephen: Yeah.
[1961.75] Stephen: I agree.
[1962.75] Frank: They are actually starting to make these big battery places.
[1968.75] Frank: Yeah.
[1969.75] Frank: The sodium batteries, I've seen them.
[1971.75] Frank: They're running laptops now and stuff like that.
[1974.75] Frank: It's not like small scale.
[1976.75] Stephen: So I think small scale sodium chemistry is like a bit fancy, but they do really need
[1981.75] Stephen: big ones that are just like rock salt.
[1984.75] Stephen: Well, I definitely think they've done laptop stuff.
[1987.75] Frank: I don't know if you've got it down to phone size yet.
[1992.75] Frank: I think it was in which firm as well.
[1995.75] Frank: In ejection seats, there's molten salt batteries that use the heat from the rocket motor to
[2003.75] Frank: melt the salt so then it becomes a battery again.
[2007.75] Frank: But while it's like a room temperature, because it's all solid and not molten, it's not a battery,
[2015.75] Frank: but it's really, really shelf stable.
[2017.75] Frank: So it means it's not a battery until you set the ejector seat off and then it's a battery.
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[2050.75] Frank: There's some other interesting batteries that people are working on.
[2054.75] Frank: I think it's aluminium air or iron air, which are going to be good for drones and aircraft and things
[2065.75] Frank: because they're really, really lightweight because one of the electrodes is the atmosphere,
[2071.75] Frank: which seems a bit weird.
[2073.75] Frank: It's got to be current limiting, surely.
[2078.19] Frank: You would imagine so, yeah.
[2083.19] Frank: It's like all of these, it's like someone's got something working that like produces like a million power in a lab
[2092.19] Frank: and then a press release is put out and everyone goes, ah, this is going to, if we scale it,
[2098.19] Frank: if we multiply this by a million, it's going to be amazing.
[2101.19] Frank: And ignore the lab conditions.
[2103.19] Stephen: Yeah, exactly.
[2105.19] Stephen: Let's ignore the fact they only got this working for like 20 minutes.
[2110.19] Stephen: Running at minus 200 degrees or something.
[2113.19] Stephen: Exactly, exactly.
[2116.19] Frank: But, you know, batteries like transistors have got a pretty good track record of improving over time.
[2126.7] Frank: It used to be just like piles of paper and vinegar.
[2129.7] Stephen: So, you know, we have come a long way.
[2132.7] Stephen: It's better objectively.
[2134.7] Stephen: Is it right?
[2135.7] Stephen: The Honda and who's the other company?
[2138.7] Frank: Toyota are skipping their battery tech in cars.
[2141.7] Frank: They're going straight to hydrogen, I think.
[2145.7] Frank: So all this, this is a pet peeve I've got.
[2148.7] Stephen: People always assume that hydrogen batteries are going to work and it's complete.
[2154.7] Stephen: It's basically a bad faith marketing campaign by coal and oil suppliers that they can plumb hydrogen in over technology
[2165.7] Stephen: that would have been used to hold gas and oil.
[2168.7] Stephen: And it's a bad faith argument because hydrogen can get through containers.
[2174.7] Stephen: Like things that would hold oil and water are porous to hydrogen.
[2178.7] Stephen: Hydrogen can leak through a steel pipe and you just can't hold it in any way safely.
[2184.7] Stephen: And the density that you need to run a car would just be a massive it would leak out really quickly.
[2190.7] Stephen: Like you leave a bunch of cars with hydrogen cells with liquid hydrogen in a garage.
[2197.7] Stephen: Then the garage would be full of hydrogen and the cars would have all hydrogen left in them.
[2202.7] Stephen: But they are selling them though, right?
[2204.7] Frank: There's hydrogen cars on the road.
[2207.7] Frank: I think they come in and there has to be.
[2211.7] Frank: Bob Lazar from Area 51 over hydrogen driven car.
[2217.7] Stephen: Just look at the kind of the correlation of like dodgy snake oil people and the hydrogen brigade and like the crossover is pretty epic.
[2230.7] Frank: Sorry, it wasn't from Area 51, it was S4.
[2234.7] Stephen: This was what the oil and gas companies were saying when they were asked to like clean up their acts.
[2238.7] Stephen: They're like, oh, we'll just pipe hydrogen into everyone's houses.
[2241.7] Stephen: It'll be fine.
[2242.7] Stephen: Like our plumbing's Victorian era is like barely safe for natural gas.
[2247.7] Stephen: You try and put hydrogen through it.
[2249.7] Stephen: We're all just dead.
[2251.7] Stephen: Goodbye.
[2253.7] Frank: 115 in Tony's.
[2258.7] Frank: It's actually a thing.
[2259.7] Jack: And we have to put an inhibitor in some of our heating systems because it builds up hydrogen.
[2269.7] Stephen: That was just a corrosion inhibitor.
[2273.7] Frank: Yeah, I thought it was.
[2275.7] Frank: It's just plastic.
[2277.7] Stephen: Because you might have mixed metal in your pipe work.
[2282.7] Frank: This is like, it's unusual that we stray onto like a serious tangential topic.
[2290.9] Stephen: Jesus happened again.
[2292.9] Stephen: Can we just talk about YouTubers slapping each other?
[2294.9] Frank: That was the plan, genuinely, was just to talk about the drama.
[2303.9] Frank: And we were talking about how we're going to solve the sustainable energy crisis.
[2308.9] Stephen: We should ship an ERC over to the US and he can tell people how it is and just go around and slap them.
[2315.9] Stephen: You don't know how easy you've got it.
[2317.9] Stephen: I had to tune this for 20 hours before I made a video.
[2320.9] Stephen: I made 25p of the video, man.
[2323.9] Stephen: You know, I was like, bam!
[2325.9] Frank: Around the chops.
[2331.9] Frank: Did everyone see Jack's new video?
[2333.9] Frank: Can you play it, Jack?
[2334.9] Frank: Or play a clip of it?
[2335.9] Frank: I know it won't be good for the end.
[2340.9] Stephen: Which means you haven't got to the end of it.
[2341.9] Stephen: You haven't never seen it before.
[2344.9] Frank: I didn't say end of it.
[2345.9] Frank: I haven't got good internet.
[2347.9] Stephen: Oh, right.
[2351.9] Frank: That's nice.
[2352.9] Stephen: Yeah, so check out Bright Until I Fly.
[2355.9] Stephen: Let's just premiere something.
[2359.9] Frank: A flight from the 1970s.
[2363.9] Stephen: I know.
[2364.9] Jack: How long ago?
[2367.9] Frank: I bet you fly really well now and all the videos that are coming out are still you in your infancy or something.
[2374.9] Jack: I know.
[2376.9] Frank: How long ago was this one?
[2379.9] Frank: Was it like two years ago?
[2381.9] Frank: Three years?
[2383.9] Frank: They come out every four years.
[2387.9] Jack: Have you noticed, right?
[2388.9] Jack: Did the whole this drawing frames completely made out of wood?
[2392.9] Jack: Have they copied this again?
[2394.9] Jack: I know.
[2395.9] Jack: Again, again.
[2396.9] Jack: We should really look out for ideas.
[2399.9] Jack: The wooden copter, like, yeah.
[2402.9] Jack: We literally made it completely out of wood and it was great.
[2407.9] Jack: Yeah.
[2410.9] Stephen: They don't seem to understand, like, why it keeps flying off as well.
[2414.9] Stephen: Like, it kept building up, like, resonant peaks and then just fail-safing itself, saying, fly away.
[2422.9] Frank: Did it get warbled?
[2423.9] Stephen: Yeah, they didn't try and tune it.
[2425.9] Stephen: They could probably have dampened it down, you know, curbed all of those resonant peaks if they'd have tried.
[2433.9] Frank: So what's the story behind your video, Jack?
[2437.9] Frank: How did it come about?
[2438.9] Frank: Because you obviously didn't edit it.
[2441.9] Frank: What do you mean?
[2442.9] Stephen: He obviously didn't edit it.
[2444.9] Stephen: How can you tell?
[2445.9] Stephen: How can you tell?
[2446.9] Stephen: Because it says it in the description, but I was trying to...
[2449.9] Stephen: Well, I was going to say, because we saw it on YouTube, like, instead of Jack's hard drive.
[2455.9] Frank: It's not a series of slide shows on an overhead projector.
[2461.9] Jack: I like our HPs and Tony's very fond of our APs.
[2468.9] Jack: Hello, please.
[2475.9] Jack: Sorry, time.
[2476.9] Jack: You're my best customers.
[2479.9] Jack: I come out every four years like clockwork.
[2486.9] Stephen: I like the fact that you're a Team Brighton FPV pilot.
[2491.9] Jack: I know.
[2493.9] Jack: Well, you are.
[2495.9] Jack: Yeah, that's what we used to be called.
[2498.9] Frank: Hello, Zoe.
[2499.9] Frank: Hello, Zoe.
[2500.9] Stephen: Good to see you doing the three new rips.
[2503.9] Stephen: That's cool.
[2504.9] Frank: Very cool to hear about all your Mac one and DCL stuff.
[2510.9] Stephen: Very cool.
[2511.9] Stephen: Congrats.
[2512.9] Jack: I'm glad you're doing all right.
[2514.9] Jack: Me and Frank were worried how you were doing at one point.
[2521.9] Jack: Yeah, you look like you're doing well.
[2525.9] Jack: Indeed.
[2526.9] Jack: Good luck.
[2527.9] Frank: You have to come on and have a chat with Zoe if you want.
[2531.9] Frank: I don't know what time you've been over there.
[2533.9] Jack: I'm annoyed that you got Baby Shark stuck in my head earlier.
[2537.9] Jack: Oh, fish.
[2538.9] Jack: But it's unforgivable.
[2545.92] Stephen: Yeah, so there's also...
[2546.92] Stephen: She's been working on a preset for 3D flying to make it easier.
[2550.92] Stephen: So now I think if you run beta flight, there's a 3D preset that Zoe's worked on.
[2556.92] Stephen: Oh, nice.
[2557.92] Frank: Get up and running.
[2559.92] Frank: Yeah.
[2560.92] Stephen: That is good.
[2562.92] Stephen: Less faffing around.
[2563.92] Stephen: I did notice that the dead zone she's got for arming is like two.
[2570.92] Stephen: She's got like...
[2572.92] Stephen: I think it's a range of like two or three for arming in the middle.
[2577.92] Stephen: So she must have like one heck of a detent in the middle of that stick because...
[2584.92] Jack: Yeah.
[2585.92] Jack: You used to be able to do it with the old Tyrannus.
[2587.92] Jack: You used to have a massive indent.
[2589.92] Jack: Or if you're a scumbag, you fly spectrum and it makes a horrible beeping noise at you.
[2597.92] Stephen: Wow, she's just a ninja.
[2599.92] Stephen: She's not got a detent or anything.
[2601.92] Stephen: She's just a ninja.
[2603.92] Jack: Or she arms it and then wiggles sticks.
[2608.92] Frank: Have we got any one booked in next Thursday?
[2612.92] Frank: Not next Thursday.
[2614.92] Frank: We do it next Thursday, Zoe.
[2617.92] Frank: Well, there's a tip.
[2618.92] Stephen: Forget that damping grease, the fancy radio master.
[2621.92] Stephen: She uses butter, apparently.
[2623.92] Stephen: Literally got butter on her sticks.
[2626.92] Jack: Tony says that's not very vegan, though, for you.
[2629.92] Jack: It's not very vegan, though.
[2632.92] Jack: It's very smokey.
[2634.92] Frank: I'd lick it if it was vital, aren't I?
[2636.92] Frank: Oh.
[2639.92] Stephen: Tony.
[2640.92] Stephen: And Bluejay, they've dropped an update, which fixes 3D mode as well.
[2644.92] Stephen: So, yeah, Bluejay.
[2646.92] Stephen: She's not even kidding.
[2647.92] Stephen: Look, we've got the full blown tips of how to do it here.
[2650.92] Stephen: There you go.
[2651.92] Stephen: She's separating the butter from...
[2653.92] Stephen: You get the milk solids out, so you get the thin oil off the top of the butter.
[2657.92] Stephen: And then a Q-tip in the oil.
[2660.92] Stephen: And bam!
[2662.92] Stephen: Butter sticks.
[2663.92] Stephen: Get in.
[2664.92] Stephen: Oh, my word.
[2665.92] Stephen: The best smelling radio around.
[2667.92] Frank: That sounds brilliant.
[2668.92] Stephen: No one will refuse.
[2670.92] Stephen: Oh, no, go round to this.
[2674.92] Frank: That'd be a cool name, Butter Sticks FPV.
[2678.92] Stephen: Clarify butter.
[2679.92] Stephen: Yeah, Caroline Tyler's absolutely right.
[2681.92] Stephen: This is what the Indian restaurants do for their frying.
[2684.92] Stephen: They use clarified butter.
[2687.92] Jack: Ooh, it's dull.
[2688.92] Jack: Please.
[2690.92] Stephen: No, that's lentils, mate.
[2691.92] Stephen: G is clarified butter.
[2693.92] Stephen: So they separate out all the solids so they don't burn.
[2695.92] Stephen: And you do after frying it.
[2697.92] Frank: Trying to be clever.
[2698.92] Frank: Backfires.
[2699.92] Frank: No game.
[2700.92] Stephen: That's not right.
[2701.92] Frank: You transmit.
[2702.92] Jack: I'm sorry.
[2704.92] Jack: Sorry, dude.
[2705.92] Jack: Sorry, dude.
[2706.92] Jack: I shouldn't.
[2707.92] Jack: No, it's fine.
[2708.92] Jack: It's all good.
[2709.92] Jack: I'm not that awake anyway.
[2712.92] Jack: Is that because you were up late doing your streaming last night?
[2717.92] Jack: Yeah, I know.
[2718.92] Jack: I think it was on...
[2719.92] Jack: Oh, man.
[2720.92] Jack: It's the Wednesday night show now, is it?
[2722.92] Jack: What happened there?
[2723.92] Jack: Triumphantly.
[2725.92] Jack: Yeah, don't you know that once we get to episode 450, I'm out of it.
[2729.92] Jack: I'm done.
[2730.92] Jack: I'm retiring.
[2731.92] Stephen: I'm done 10 years.
[2732.92] Stephen: He was calling it quits.
[2734.92] Stephen: He was done a hundred months ago and he's twice as done now.
[2738.92] Stephen: What's wrong with that episode two?
[2741.92] Stephen: Yeah, I don't know.
[2742.92] Stephen: He meant to live.
[2744.92] Frank: Let's just get to the 10 year thing.
[2748.92] Jack: Literally be frank working me like a muppet from underneath this desk.
[2755.92] Jack: I just follow the hand movements.
[2758.92] Jack: The noise comes out.
[2760.92] Frank: Yeah, you're streaming with curry.
[2765.42] Frank: I only get the stick in my hands.
[2767.42] Frank: You should plug your stream, Jane.
[2769.42] Frank: You back stream with a curry kit on a Wednesday night doing weird voices.
[2774.42] Frank: There were no weird voices.
[2776.42] Frank: I was very disappointed.
[2777.42] Frank: Oh, man.
[2778.42] Frank: You've got to do the weird voices.
[2780.42] Jack: Well, they had paid voice out.
[2783.42] Jack: It's not our fault.
[2785.42] UNKNOWN: What?
[2786.42] Jack: You don't get to talk.
[2788.42] Jack: No, we just stomped the case and that was it.
[2792.42] Frank: By Jack mainly just brute forcing all the puzzles.
[2796.42] Frank: That seems to be the stream is curry kind of intricately trying to work out
[2802.42] Frank: are some theories about how this whole system works.
[2805.42] Jack: And Jack can get the correct resolution of his canvas on the stream.
[2815.42] Jack: The beginning of the stream was entertaining.
[2818.42] Jack: The monitors and switch them around and then it worked.
[2823.42] Jack: It's like a mid stream.
[2826.42] Frank: For the first half an hour, maybe both Jack and curry.
[2834.42] Frank: About sort of the full height of the screen and about a quarter of the screen
[2839.42] Frank: wide is their entire faces.
[2843.42] Frank: This may be ridiculous, but I don't know where this was broadcast and I had no
[2848.42] Stephen: idea this was happening.
[2850.42] Stephen: Where is this happening?
[2853.42] Stephen: Was this Twitch or something?
[2855.42] Jack: This is what it was like.
[2858.42] Jack: Oh, my God.
[2861.42] Jack: Welcome to 1997, where two grandads get on the internet for the first time.
[2872.42] Jack: I gained seven foot.
[2879.42] Frank: What the hell?
[2881.42] Jack: Oh, dear.
[2882.42] Jack: You guys, what have you done?
[2885.42] Jack: The link.
[2887.42] Jack: The link is in the link.
[2891.42] Frank: It will be twitch.TV slash whatever your channel is.
[2898.42] Jack: I said by five by four, it's two point three.
[2904.42] Frank: I think we should just stream it like that.
[2907.42] Stephen: I think we should track.
[2908.42] Stephen: Zoe says, wait, where am I now?
[2911.42] Stephen: What year is it even?
[2913.42] Stephen: Are you my dad?
[2915.42] Jack: Why did you leave Zoe in the mall?
[2918.42] Stephen: Why did you leave Zoe in the mall?
[2933.42] Stephen: Jack refuses to answer.
[2935.42] Jack: He's waiting for his legal counsel.
[2938.42] Jack: More opportunity there.
[2942.42] Jack: It was the 90s.
[2944.42] Stephen: Yeah.
[2945.42] Stephen: Jack didn't have a chance.
[2948.42] Jack: Yeah, I can't even spell 3D.
[2954.42] Frank: I'll have it rolled on.
[2958.42] Frank: Well, I'm smelling.
[2965.42] Frank: Very, very last minute bit of actual vaguely serious news.
[2972.42] Frank: Well, adjacent FPV adjacent, I'd say the BMFA are having a question
[2979.42] Frank: time stream next Tuesday where you can submit questions.
[2984.42] Frank: They're getting people from the CIA to come along.
[2986.42] Frank: They're getting the BMFA board members to come along and you can
[2990.42] Frank: submit questions to be asked to that sort of panel of people.
[2997.42] Frank: So you can go to it 80 stands for in the air tonight.
[3003.42] Frank: BMFA UK and you can submit questions for the question time.
[3009.42] Frank: I've submitted a couple broadcast live or on YouTube or anything
[3014.42] Frank: like that.
[3015.42] Frank: I think they broadcast it on Zoom.
[3019.42] Frank: I think it gets put out on YouTube later.
[3023.42] Jack: Yeah.
[3024.42] Jack: Tell me the link so I can write one of the questions.
[3027.42] Jack: Did Tony done Jack Wick?
[3030.42] Frank: Don't tell me what he think.
[3035.42] Stephen: Oh, I mean, there's plenty of evidence of him standing on a van
[3040.42] Frank: with some kind of apparatus.
[3042.42] Jack: Have you got the video footage for that mockumentary?
[3048.42] Jack: Who's got that video?
[3050.42] Frank: Hopefully.
[3051.42] Frank: There's appeal to the public.
[3053.42] Frank: We need the footage from Sky News of Tony and his FPV gun laws on
[3059.42] Frank: top of his van.
[3060.42] Frank: I'm not going to come for a few months.
[3064.42] Frank: I need another break.
[3070.42] Jack: I would be so funny.
[3074.42] Frank: I think if you have the bloody t-shirt, you keep going on about,
[3078.42] Frank: you're going to.
[3080.42] Jack: Tony done Gatwick.
[3083.42] Frank: I'm just going to turn up one day and you'll be wearing it,
[3086.42] Frank: your basket.
[3088.42] Jack: That's the plan.
[3090.42] Jack: It's all fun and games, us joking about it.
[3094.42] Jack: But if anyone actually took that seriously, it would be awful.
[3099.42] Frank: It's all fun and games until Tony gets black bagged.
[3102.42] Stephen: Yeah.
[3103.42] Stephen: Tony, if you considered buying one of these new flow batteries,
[3106.42] Stephen: mate, it might really help the case.
[3110.42] Frank: Along with the airsoft weapons, the X-Class, all of these things
[3116.42] Frank: around your house are going to do really well.
[3120.42] Stephen: Also, what's really in demand right now is because it's just
[3124.42] Stephen: coming out of winter, what they want are some balaclava models
[3127.42] Stephen: to take pictures.
[3129.42] Stephen: So get some photos of you modeling the latest balaclava.
[3133.42] Stephen: That would be really helpful.
[3135.42] Jack: Thank you.
[3138.42] Jack: You've been literally let shown out.
[3141.42] Jack: You've been joined by our Lord of Master, Andrew Frank.
[3144.42] Frank: Bye.
[3146.42] Jack: The man with the moustache, Steven.
[3148.42] Jack: Cheers.
[3149.42] Jack: Good night.
[3150.42] Jack: My darling wife, Tony.
[3152.42] Frank: Bye.
[3154.42] Jack: I've been bright until I fly.
[3155.42] Jack: Thank you very much for tuning in.
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[3163.42] Frank: Bye.
[3164.42] Jack: And if you only touch your nipples, don't think of me.
[3169.42] Stephen: Telemetry lost.