=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 449 ===
Title: LDO 449 - With Special Guest Zoe FPV
Recorded: 2024-04-04
Hosts: Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Koel "Koala" Anderson, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): Zoe Stumbaugh
Total audience: 1,080
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5Q0fsZkF-Y); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1793993422-letsdroneout-ldo-449-with-special-guest-zoe-fpv.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello and you're listening to Let's Drone Out and special thank you to our lovely patrons that helped donate so that we could pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things we say. Massive thank you to...
[14.0] Jack: Carlos Campos
[16.0] Jack: Art Faulkner
[18.0] Frank: Sam Dahmer
[20.0] Koel: On with the show
[22.0] Koel: Let's Drone Out now
[52.45] Jack: And you're listening to Let's Drone Out today is Thursday, it's the 4th of the 4th, 2024
[60.45] Zoe: 4-4-24?
[62.45] Jack: Yep
[63.45] Zoe: Does that mean the apocalypse occurs today? Is the sky going to open up?
[67.45] Zoe: I don't know
[68.45] Jack: Well it's not like it's the 4th of the 4th
[70.45] Jack: 4,044
[73.45] Jack: 4,444 that would be amazing
[76.45] Jack: I don't think we're going to last that long
[78.45] Jack: I don't think Tony's got that in him
[80.45] Jack: I don't even think he's got the next 40 minutes in him apparently
[84.45] Zoe: You just have to connect yourself up to the neural link thingy, let them absorb your brain into the computer cloud and then you live forever
[93.45] Zoe: At least that's what it first, isn't that what's happening now?
[96.45] Zoe: Apparently
[98.45] Jack: Tonight we are joined by everyone's favourite Canadian, Carl
[104.45] Jack: Howdy
[106.45] Jack: My darling wife Tony
[108.45] Tony: What the hell, will you still get away with this? Bonjour
[112.45] Jack: And someone we haven't heard from for quite some time, the goddess of 3D
[120.45] Zoe: I don't know if that would use that term but okay, thank you
[122.45] Jack: Zoe, FBV
[124.45] Zoe: Hold on, hold on
[126.45] Jack: Hello
[128.45] Tony: Hello
[130.45] Jack: Hello
[132.45] Jack: Otherwise both ways round
[134.45] Jack: Zoe, last time I talked to you, you were living or just about to move into a
[144.45] Jack: Is it a camper van sort of thing?
[146.45] Zoe: A recreational vehicle, 28 foot motorhome
[150.45] Zoe: RV
[152.45] Zoe: Yeah
[154.45] Jack: I'm guessing that
[156.45] Jack: Like periodically me and Frank were quite worried about you
[160.45] Jack: It felt kind of very, very sad
[166.45] Jack: And you weren't doing too well
[170.45] Jack: But now you seem to be back on track
[174.45] Jack: It seems that you're...
[179.76] Jack: Well you've got a bed
[181.76] Jack: And you look like you've been moved, but don't move
[183.76] Zoe: Oh yeah, I know, graciously, thankfully
[185.76] Zoe: I've moved in with a friend, Wu Tang is a pilot
[189.76] Zoe: And I've been bumming it at his place for the last six months
[193.76] Zoe: I've been trying to get my RV fixed
[195.76] Zoe: It's got a lot of house issues
[199.76] Zoe: Like there's the house and then there's the engine
[201.76] Zoe: The engine runs really great
[203.76] Zoe: It got fixed, it had, it was an $8,000 repair that I'm still trying to pay off
[209.76] Zoe: And then there's the house stuff that needs a lot of work
[213.76] Zoe: And it's just, yeah
[215.76] Zoe: For those that don't know, the RV was originally donated to me
[218.76] Zoe: And it needed a little TLC when I got it
[220.76] Zoe: And it still needs some TLC now
[222.76] Zoe: To make it at least livable, quote-unquote
[225.76] Zoe: So for the time being, thankfully I've been here
[229.76] Zoe: Before now, I was not in a good way
[232.76] Zoe: I was living next to a friend's house without any running electricity properly
[239.76] Zoe: Living out of an ice chest was very unhealthy
[242.76] Zoe: It was very hard to be healthy
[245.76] Zoe: Since I've been here in Woodlake, I've lost like 140 pounds
[249.76] Zoe: I've been trying to get back into FPV
[251.76] Zoe: I've been very thankful to have the opportunity to do what I've done
[257.76] Zoe: And try to, quote-unquote, unify my life
[262.76] Zoe: As hard as that is post-COVID and post, you know, whatever pandemic
[267.76] Zoe: And with me, especially, and for those that don't know me
[271.76] Zoe: I suffer from severe chronic pain due to nerve issues
[275.76] Zoe: Like damaged nerves
[278.76] Zoe: That's made it really hard for me to function the last few years
[283.76] Zoe: So it's been a lot of ups and downs, a lot of downs
[288.76] Zoe: Life still sucks, like I have no idea how I'm going to pay for anything
[293.76] Zoe: Or function in society, or do any of the things that make life livable
[299.76] Zoe: But I'm showing up every day, doing my best, taking showers every day
[304.76] Zoe: Drinking coffee, taking care of myself, doing the self-care
[307.76] Zoe: Doing the things I can do
[310.76] Zoe: And it honestly just hasn't felt like enough lately
[313.76] Zoe: Which is really depressing
[315.76] Zoe: The whole reason I lost 140 pounds was to try to lessen the amount of pain I'm in
[319.76] Zoe: And last month, especially, I returned to life in a large way
[324.76] Zoe: I've gone to a live freestyle contest
[327.76] Zoe: That was a four-hour trip up to Vallejo, California
[329.76] Zoe: Really fun, St. Quatrix Day
[331.76] Zoe: For anybody that doesn't know, I was like their second or third one
[334.76] Zoe: It was a really, really cool event
[336.76] Zoe: And I got to be a judge
[337.76] Zoe: And it was the first time going back to an FPV event in years
[341.76] Zoe: And I loved it, but it took a lot out of me physically
[346.76] Zoe: And on top of that, it was a busy weekend
[348.76] Zoe: Before that event, I was racing in DCL, Drone Champions League
[353.76] Zoe: I'm on Mach 1
[355.76] Zoe: And it was a really busy week
[356.76] Zoe: And then on top of that, a week after that, I hosted the Mach 1 freestyle contest
[361.76] Zoe: Which was multi-cast across five different live streams at the same time
[365.76] Zoe: And live judged
[366.76] Zoe: That went really good
[368.76] Zoe: All of that went great
[370.76] Zoe: But it took the life out of me
[372.76] Zoe: And unfortunately, I was really hoping it was going to be physically easier
[376.76] Zoe: For me to do all those things
[378.76] Zoe: And I struggled immensely to get it all done
[381.76] Zoe: And I've been in a lot of pain the last few weeks because of it
[385.76] Zoe: And it's been really hard to manage
[389.76] Zoe: Yeah, I think that covers it
[390.76] Zoe: It's a pretty good overview of what I'm about right now
[394.76] Zoe: I think most of that is positive
[396.76] Zoe: Framed in a positive way
[398.76] Zoe: So, like, there's been a lot of crying, a lot of tears
[402.76] Zoe: It's been a struggle
[403.76] Jack: You chumming up and drinking coffee every day and showering
[407.76] Jack: You're giving it a chance to get better
[411.76] Jack: A lot of people don't
[413.76] Jack: A lot of people draw
[414.76] Zoe: The biggest thing is, like, life is beating me down
[417.76] Zoe: I'm trying not to beat myself up as much as I can
[420.76] Zoe: But I'm...
[421.76] Zoe: Like, there's this self-destructive tendency
[424.76] Zoe: It's been very good lately about not being self-destructive
[428.76] Zoe: Like, I'm trying to upward spiral versus downward spiral
[432.76] Zoe: And it's really hard
[434.76] Jack: Easier said than done
[435.76] Jack: As well as the positive
[436.76] Jack: Yeah
[437.76] Jack: So, I'm guessing you're time out from...
[442.76] Jack: From then...
[444.76] Jack: And then coming back in at the...
[449.76] Jack: Like, judging and looking at the event
[452.76] Jack: I'm guessing the technology's changed quite a lot for you
[457.76] Zoe: Well, the funny thing is, I mean, I don't...
[460.76] Zoe: I mean, maybe a little bit
[462.76] Zoe: Not really
[463.76] Zoe: I mean, if anything, it's more
[466.76] Zoe: F'd up
[468.76] Zoe: Like, I hate the fact that we have all these digital systems
[471.76] Zoe: That don't work together
[472.76] Zoe: And then we have all these
[474.76] Zoe: It is an upward spiral of trippy spin, yes
[476.76] Zoe: I guess that would be a trippy spin
[477.76] Zoe: Yeah
[478.76] Zoe: You wouldn't do that, yes
[479.76] Zoe: I'm trying to trippy spin through life
[482.76] Zoe: Hell yeah
[484.76] Zoe: But yeah, no
[485.76] Zoe: The technology, if anything, digital
[488.76] Zoe: Like, I'm still running the same digital system I had
[491.76] Zoe: Back when it came out
[492.76] Zoe: Like, I was one of the early adopters of the DJI FPV system
[495.76] Zoe: One of the first, like, beta testers of it
[497.76] Zoe: With RotoRiot and stuff
[498.76] Zoe: Oh, wow
[499.76] Zoe: And it's still a great system
[501.76] Zoe: I don't see...
[503.76] Zoe: Like, I don't feel like any other digital systems have outdone
[507.76] Zoe: That Gen 1 from five years ago
[510.76] Zoe: And the only thing that's happened is we have all these other digital systems
[513.76] Zoe: That don't work quite as good
[515.76] Zoe: That don't work with each other
[517.76] Zoe: And now we have analog pilots, DJI pilots, walk-in pilots, HD0 pilots
[522.76] Zoe: And all these freaking pilots on different frequencies
[525.76] Zoe: And as a live organizer, now you have to make do with all these different frequencies
[531.76] Zoe: And you either tell pilots you only can race with HD0
[535.76] Zoe: Or you can only race with analog
[537.76] Zoe: Or you tell...
[538.76] Zoe: It's just...
[539.76] Zoe: The technology, honestly, kind of backtracked a little bit
[543.76] Zoe: I don't like this wall garden approach these digital companies are tackling right now
[548.76] Zoe: It's not healthy for the industry
[551.76] Zoe: Yeah, just too many variables
[553.76] Koel: And then everyone's separate, basically
[555.76] Koel: And it's just like...
[557.76] Koel: You know, analog deals
[559.76] Koel: It's like everybody has no issues
[561.76] Koel: You're good
[562.76] Koel: Your sh** works
[563.76] Koel: It picks it up
[564.76] Koel: And there you go
[565.76] Koel: And now...
[566.76] Jack: If you can shoot as many people as you want
[568.76] Jack: You can tune in to one feed
[570.76] Jack: And it's exactly the same
[572.76] Jack: Bless you, Tony
[573.76] Jack: And that is my problem with it
[575.76] Zoe: Well, digital is amazing and lovely
[577.76] Zoe: Now we have so much variety
[579.76] Zoe: And at the end of the day for like event organizers
[581.76] Zoe: And, you know, the actual back end of stuff
[584.76] Zoe: I was thinking about trying to host a live freestyle contest in competition
[588.76] Zoe: Absolutely nightmare fuel
[590.76] Zoe: Absolute nightmare fuel
[592.76] Zoe: Trying to figure that out
[594.76] Jack: Zoe, what's it like trying to get hold of like VTXs
[598.76] Jack: And cameras for the V1 stuff
[602.76] Jack: Is anyone still making that?
[604.76] Jack: Or is it all...
[605.76] Zoe: So, okay, do you want this cuddle?
[607.76] Zoe: This is crazy
[609.76] Jack: And also, have you moved over to FTW?
[613.76] Jack: Or whatever it was
[615.76] Jack: WTF?
[617.76] Jack: WTF, yeah
[619.76] Zoe: Yeah, I use WTFOS and all my stuff
[621.76] Zoe: Great, great little item
[624.76] Zoe: But I like the hardware
[629.76] Zoe: So from my knowledge
[631.76] Zoe: DJI released their specs for their V1 system
[634.76] Zoe: Like you had the regular air unit
[637.76] Zoe: And then the Caddix system that came after
[639.76] Zoe: Caddix was essentially handed the technology
[642.76] Zoe: From DJI to produce it
[644.76] Zoe: And then from to my knowledge
[646.76] Zoe: Essentially reverse engineered things
[648.76] Zoe: Spun things out with Wox now
[650.76] Zoe: There's a little bit of a scuttle
[652.76] Zoe: But with one of DJI's lead engineers
[655.76] Zoe: Leaving to create certain companies
[658.76] Zoe: While still working on DJI
[660.76] Zoe: Either with full knowledge of things happening
[663.76] Zoe: To try to get around certain things
[666.76] Zoe: I'm being very vague here
[668.76] Zoe: Because it's kind of crazy how things operate
[670.76] Zoe: In certain countries in certain ways
[672.76] Zoe: To get around tariffs and other things
[675.76] Zoe: And non-operation agreements with certain companies
[679.76] Zoe: A lot of companies are banned from working with DJI
[681.76] Zoe: On a technological level
[683.76] Zoe: But not so much with Caddix or Wox now
[686.76] Zoe: So you have those whole things going on
[690.76] Zoe: And then you have the fact that
[692.76] Zoe: None of the stuff works with each other
[694.76] Zoe: And it's all a knock off of a system that still works great
[699.76] Zoe: And now Caddix no longer does the DJI
[703.76] Zoe: They lost their DJI privileges
[705.76] Zoe: Because they started to spool up their own system
[707.76] Zoe: And then you have Wox now with their own system
[710.76] Zoe: And then you have RunCam essentially being handed
[713.76] Zoe: The original Vista unit
[716.76] Zoe: To manufacture and produce and sell
[719.76] Zoe: So it was technology handed from one company
[722.76] Zoe: To another company to another company
[724.76] Zoe: And now we have a bunch of these companies
[726.76] Zoe: All operating effectively the same, stupid thing
[729.76] Zoe: But they don't work quite the same
[731.76] Zoe: And they don't work together
[733.76] Zoe: Which is insanely frustrating
[737.76] Zoe: Yes, it's very annoying
[740.76] Zoe: Well, that's the way I see it
[742.76] Zoe: Correct me if I'm wrong in any of that
[744.76] Zoe: That's just coming back to the way I see things have happened
[748.76] Koel: Honestly, that's a huge reason why I'm still flying analog
[751.76] Koel: I keep seeing everybody
[753.76] Koel: When V1 DJI was a thing
[755.76] Koel: Then V2 came out and everyone's like
[757.76] Koel: Oh no, is it going to work together?
[759.76] Koel: And then 03 came out and everyone was doing the same thing
[761.76] Koel: And then Wox now
[763.76] Koel: And HD0, it's just like
[765.76] Koel: I know analog is going to work
[767.76] Koel: And it's never going to not work
[769.76] Koel: So I'm sticking with that
[771.76] Koel: I don't know
[772.76] Koel: Maybe one day if I somehow
[774.76] Koel: Muster up the strength to get away from analog
[777.76] Koel: I will if enough
[779.76] Koel: So like dish out a shitload of money
[782.76] Koel: But yeah, I don't know
[785.76] Koel: It's for me
[787.76] Tony: Have you been flying there, did you?
[790.76] Koel: Yeah, yeah, I've tried it
[792.76] Koel: And I've went along for some rides in the goggles
[794.76] Koel: And I have done it
[796.76] Koel: But I mean, I don't know, man
[798.76] Koel: Yeah, you get a better image
[800.76] Koel: But I feel like while digital
[803.76] Koel: Digital is a luxury more than a necessity, it seems like
[806.76] Koel: I mean, correct me if I'm wrong
[808.76] Koel: I mean, for me as a
[810.76] Koel: Maybe a biased non-digital
[812.76] Koel: Yeah, it's
[814.76] Koel: I guess, but everybody that's digital is like
[816.76] Zoe: So at the end of the day, our entire experience
[818.76] Zoe: FOV boils down to
[820.76] Zoe: The image hitting our eyeballs
[822.76] Zoe: True
[823.76] Zoe: And in my opinion, you want that image to be the best image possible
[826.76] Zoe: I'd much rather have one really good HD rig
[829.76] Zoe: Yeah
[830.76] Zoe: Than two analog vlogs
[832.76] Zoe: True
[833.76] Zoe: I'd much rather baby and like cherish
[835.76] Zoe: One beautiful machine that gives me the best possible image quality
[839.76] Zoe: Than a bunch of analog vlogs
[841.76] Zoe: Yeah
[842.76] Zoe: But that's me
[843.76] Zoe: That's me also been spoiled
[845.76] Zoe: And handed the system to test
[846.76] Zoe: That's me seeing the system work
[848.76] Zoe: In a lot of different ways
[850.76] Zoe: And having seen the benefits
[852.76] Zoe: Of being able to
[854.76] Zoe: Fly from my bedroom
[855.76] Zoe: Like I plug in
[857.76] Zoe: I fly out the window
[859.76] Zoe: I go across the street to the elementary school
[861.76] Zoe: When it's empty
[862.76] Zoe: And I rip packs
[863.76] Zoe: And I don't have any breakup
[864.76] Zoe: I don't have any weird latency issues
[866.76] Zoe: It just works and it's a beautiful image
[869.76] Koel: Yeah, that's a good argument
[870.76] Koel: Because, you know, like the whole breakup and penetration and whatever
[874.76] Koel: It's a totally different ballgame from analog to digital, I guess, right?
[878.76] Koel: So that's totally fair
[880.76] Koel: Yeah
[881.76] Koel: You know, it is a lot more expensive though
[884.76] Zoe: And that is one of my issues
[885.76] Zoe: I can't even afford digital equipment
[887.76] Zoe: Like I have enough parts to repair my quads
[890.76] Zoe: To replace a stack if I need
[892.76] Zoe: Motors, God forbid
[894.76] Zoe: Frame parts
[896.76] Zoe: But I can't afford the digital equipment myself
[899.76] Zoe: And that scares me
[901.76] Zoe: If I start blowing stuff out
[903.76] Zoe: It's going to be hard for me to come back from
[906.76] Zoe: And that's definitely a thing
[908.76] Zoe: Is the upkeep for that
[909.76] Zoe: But that being said
[910.76] Zoe: High-end digital VTX and camera
[913.76] Zoe: Is what, like 160 now
[916.76] Zoe: Versus high-end analog
[919.76] Zoe: Which is about 90-ish
[922.76] Zoe: But then if you also factor in the fact
[925.76] Zoe: You can use the area and slash the digital VTX as a receiver
[929.76] Zoe: Then, you know, throw in a $3 crossfire unit effectively in there
[933.76] Zoe: And, you know, the prices start getting a little bit closer
[935.76] Zoe: But you're still paying a premium
[937.76] Zoe: And most people are using a separate receiver
[939.76] Zoe: Apart from the digital system anyways
[941.76] Koel: Yeah
[943.76] Koel: Yeah, I've just been really lucky
[945.76] Koel: Because I've basically taken everyone's hand-me-down
[947.76] Koel: So I've been getting analog sh**
[949.76] Koel: That's like, you know, pennies
[951.76] Koel: Because no one's using it anymore
[953.76] Koel: And, like, perfect
[955.76] Koel: Like, you know, if I don't have to spend anything on that
[957.76] Koel: Well, not anything, but, you know
[959.76] Koel: I'm kind of cheap, I guess
[961.76] Koel: Is what it comes down to, so
[963.76] Koel: Is that what you say?
[965.76] Koel: Yeah, pretty much
[967.76] Koel: I mean, it's like, analog, yeah
[969.76] Koel: I can see good enough, is like
[971.76] Koel: But, yeah, obviously the experience is definitely
[973.76] Koel: You get a better experience out of digital, I'm sure
[976.76] Koel: Like, there's no questioning that
[979.76] Zoe: Yeah, it's weird
[981.76] Zoe: Someone asked, is the extra res of digital
[984.76] Zoe: More beneficial in flying 3D than 3D?
[986.76] Zoe: Um
[989.76] Zoe: So I run my digital goggles in 4x3
[992.76] Zoe: So one of the big things, actually
[994.76] Zoe: This is a huge tip for those digital pilots
[996.76] Zoe: That want to fly 3D
[998.76] Zoe: Or just Acro in general
[1000.76] Zoe: 16x9 orientation goggles
[1002.76] Zoe: At least the V2s
[1004.76] Zoe: Will cut off the top and bottom of the sensor
[1007.76] Zoe: And so, if you run it in 4x3 mode
[1009.76] Zoe: It actually compresses, quote-unquote
[1011.76] Zoe: The full image into your goggles
[1013.76] Zoe: And you get extra visuals
[1015.76] Zoe: For the 4x3, you get a little bit more vertical
[1018.76] Jack: Yeah, because you're going to need that real estate
[1021.76] Jack: Because you're changing, you're losing some
[1025.76] Jack: From being upside down and angled
[1029.76] Zoe: Yeah, because you're essentially flying at like 0 tilt with 3D
[1032.76] Zoe: Well, a lot of people fly at very low tilt, at least
[1036.76] Zoe: So you're constantly kind of picking your horizons
[1039.76] Zoe: Either up or down, depending if you're right side up or upside down
[1042.76] Zoe: So having an extra vertical definitely helps
[1045.76] Zoe: That being said, the best camera I've had for 3D is still an analog quad
[1049.76] Zoe: So I can put a 1.7 lens on that thing
[1052.76] Zoe: And have like a 180 degree field of view
[1055.76] Zoe: And see all of the things
[1057.76] Zoe: Yeah
[1058.76] Zoe: And keep orientation very easily
[1060.76] Tony: But now, GoPro lens in
[1064.76] Tony: That's what we used to do
[1066.76] Tony: Yeah, good GoPro lens
[1068.76] Tony: Stick it in your FBV camera
[1070.76] Tony: See round the corner
[1072.76] Jack: Yeah
[1073.76] Jack: I remember like Tony buying some
[1076.76] Jack: And you would literally have to
[1079.76] Jack: Crack them out of the plastic housing
[1083.76] Jack: Yeah, in order to screw them in
[1086.76] Jack: And then they changed them
[1088.76] Jack: So that I had gaps in the thread
[1090.76] Jack: And that was the worst
[1093.76] Tony: It was
[1094.76] Tony: Oh, in fact it says analog is still king when it comes to microspoops
[1099.76] Tony: Performance equals less weight
[1102.76] Tony: At the moment, yes, I agree
[1106.76] Jack: Making vistas, I think
[1109.76] Jack: They were
[1110.76] Jack: That was the big difference
[1114.76] Jack: So, speaking of complete nightmares
[1118.76] Jack: That aren't your fault
[1121.76] Zoe: Yeah
[1123.76] Jack: What happened with Discord?
[1125.76] Jack: Because you got a bit of an announcement there
[1128.76] Jack: Oh no
[1129.76] Zoe: Yeah
[1130.76] Zoe: Where do we even begin?
[1131.76] Zoe: I don't even know where to start on this one, oh my god
[1133.76] Jack: Oh yeah
[1134.76] Jack: Is it true that your friend has done a digital game
[1138.76] Jack: With a digital game called Don't Click?
[1142.76] Jack: Sounds suspicious
[1145.76] Zoe: Oh, okay, so, okay, so
[1149.76] Zoe: I'm glad I can talk about it now because
[1152.76] Zoe: I officially have control of my Discord account back
[1155.76] Zoe: After three weeks of going back and forth with Discord support on this
[1159.76] Zoe: Yeah, so my original Discord had like 900 members that got deleted
[1163.76] Zoe: But the whole story is effectively, for those that don't know
[1167.76] Zoe: Social engineer attack, one of my friend's accounts was compromised
[1171.76] Zoe: I used to play games with them and actually beta test stuff with them
[1174.76] Zoe: So this social engineering thing actually worked really well on me
[1177.76] Zoe: I think unfortunately
[1178.76] Zoe: I am
[1179.76] Zoe: It was not in a great state of mind when I like agreed to things
[1183.76] Zoe: And it was weird because like most of the time when you get it like
[1185.76] Zoe: You see
[1186.76] Zoe: I'm back to it
[1187.76] Zoe: A social engineering hack, quote unquote
[1189.76] Zoe: Someone posts a random link to something with a random message
[1192.76] Zoe: And it's like a drive-by link to post
[1194.76] Zoe: This was not that
[1195.76] Zoe: This was somebody on my friend's account hitting up like
[1198.76] Zoe: Hey, how are you doing? It's been a while
[1200.76] Zoe: That's it
[1201.76] Zoe: You reply to the message, have an entire conversation
[1204.76] Zoe: Until eventually it got to the point of
[1206.76] Zoe: Them saying, hey, I worked on this game with my friend
[1209.76] Zoe: I need your help beta testing you down
[1212.76] Zoe: And me being a helpful person
[1214.76] Zoe: And also having tested things with this person before was like
[1217.76] Zoe: This seems legit
[1218.76] Zoe: Obviously I'm going to go help them out
[1220.76] Jack: Yeah
[1221.76] Zoe: It was not legit
[1222.76] Zoe: Linked me to a website
[1223.76] Zoe: Looks like a legit website
[1224.76] Zoe: Linked me to a download
[1225.76] Zoe: Looked like a legit download
[1227.76] Zoe: Download the thing
[1228.76] Zoe: Was not
[1229.76] Zoe: It's very, very not legitimate
[1232.76] Zoe: I didn't get caught by my virus scanner in time
[1235.76] Zoe: Or at all
[1236.76] Zoe: And it was essentially a back door to my computer
[1240.76] Zoe: And went to the process of hijacking my Discord account instantly
[1244.76] Zoe: And then they had backdoor control
[1247.76] Zoe: And I noticed some weirdness after
[1249.76] Zoe: So I logged out of all my accounts
[1251.76] Zoe: And I started waiting to see what happened
[1253.76] Zoe: Eventually my computer rebooted randomly
[1256.76] Zoe: And when it started to come back
[1259.76] Zoe: That's when I noticed several of my hard drives
[1261.76] Zoe: Were in the middle of being partitioned
[1264.76] Zoe: And things were very much out of whack
[1268.76] Zoe: So I went into complete recovery mode
[1272.76] Zoe: Thankfully I had some great friends around
[1274.76] Zoe: I was able to completely nuke the hard drives
[1278.76] Zoe: I was able to recover some key files first and foremost
[1282.76] Zoe: Nuke the hard drives
[1285.76] Zoe: Before, yeah, and then re-install fully clean
[1289.76] Zoe: It was a pain in the ass, took several days
[1291.76] Zoe: And that was right up to the DCL stuff
[1294.76] Zoe: And the free stuff
[1296.76] Zoe: So it was a very stressful week ahead of me at that point
[1299.76] Zoe: Don't know how I got through all that
[1301.76] Zoe: Thankfully they didn't charge or hit my PayPal account
[1305.76] Zoe: I was able to disconnect my PayPal in time
[1307.76] Zoe: Before they tried hitting with Nitro
[1310.76] Zoe: And, yeah, I re-locked out all my accounts
[1314.76] Zoe: Two-factored all of the things that weren't already two-factored
[1317.76] Zoe: And the most effed up part is
[1320.76] Zoe: Two-factored wouldn't even have saved me on Discord
[1323.76] Zoe: Because of the way their hacks worked
[1326.76] Zoe: Because it de-auth you using your own client session
[1329.76] Zoe: And they done f***ed up and tried hitting up someone else in the community
[1334.76] Zoe: Who is a security researcher
[1337.76] Zoe: Who then was able to get their payload and dissect it
[1341.76] Zoe: And has since, to my knowledge, now picked up by security definitions
[1345.76] Zoe: And security scanners
[1346.76] Zoe: So their payloads have been made ineffective as well
[1349.76] Zoe: So, like, the actual fallout from people
[1353.76] Zoe: And this is a really creepy part
[1354.76] Zoe: Is now I can go in and see my account
[1356.76] Zoe: And see who it contacted
[1358.76] Zoe: It's really eerie
[1360.76] Zoe: It's really f***ing eerie, it makes my scam crawl
[1364.76] Zoe: So needless to say, at ZoeFPB on Discord
[1367.76] Zoe: Should not be contacting anyone for any weird games
[1370.76] Zoe: Still, do not click on any links
[1372.76] Zoe: If I ask you to click on a link
[1374.76] Zoe: You get me in a Discord chat, let's talk
[1377.76] Zoe: Same thing with all your friends
[1379.76] Zoe: Like, the social engineering level of sophistication and hacks is increasing
[1384.76] Zoe: And it was a huge wake-up call for me
[1386.76] Zoe: I know it was a huge wake-up call for a lot of my friends
[1389.76] Zoe: And thankfully the only real damage that I know that's done so far
[1392.76] Zoe: Is I lost my original Discord server like 900 people
[1396.76] Zoe: I made a new one
[1399.76] Zoe: But yeah, that's
[1401.76] Zoe: Could have been worse
[1402.76] Zoe: Could have been a lot worse
[1405.76] Koel: Looks like AudioGek's wondering, did the old friend know that they were hacked?
[1409.76] Zoe: I don't know, the only contact I have with them is via Discord
[1413.76] Zoe: Like, we played probably thousands of hours of MMOs together
[1417.76] Zoe: Over the course of several years
[1419.76] Zoe: Wow
[1421.76] Zoe: Yeah, so that was the whole thing
[1424.76] Koel: Yeah, people on the internet these days, they're getting
[1427.76] Koel: They're getting creative, that's, you know, you could say
[1432.76] Zoe: The biggest thing they had me on Dastin need to ask me for money to get it back
[1436.76] Zoe: And hold on, so that was the whole thing
[1438.76] Koel: Of course, yeah
[1440.76] Koel: There's a bunch of YouTubers that I follow that are like scambaiters
[1443.76] Koel: And like, you know, basically set prey on the scammers to try to get them shut down
[1449.76] Koel: But it's like Whack-A-Mole, basically
[1453.76] Zoe: It is, it is
[1455.76] Zoe: And there's more and more scammers out there, getting more and more sophisticated
[1459.76] Zoe: Yeah, this is the thing, I generally know better
[1461.76] Zoe: This is the thing I really screw with my head, I know better
[1464.76] Zoe: I know better more than most
[1469.2] Zoe: And I still had a lapse of judgement
[1472.2] Tony: Yeah, but it just takes one off day, one second, one lapse of not thinking
[1479.2] Tony: Imagine when we all get older and we're all, you know, our brains are even shorter than they are now
[1487.2] Tony: Oh, that's going to be a nightmare, we'll be answering the door, telling people on the telephone what our bank account is, you know
[1494.2] Tony: All it takes is one second, so it can't feel bad
[1497.2] Koel: Yeah, yeah, it happens to the best of us
[1500.2] Koel: I mean, I've known a bunch of people that it's happened to
[1503.2] Koel: And it's so hard to, it's hard to know
[1507.2] Koel: Especially if like, you know, you thought it was someone that you talked to, you could trust, whatever
[1512.2] Koel: And it definitely must not feel good after you're like, oh, I got tricked
[1517.2] Koel: And it's like, ugh, it's terrible
[1520.2] Zoe: I just felt bad because I was worried about other people getting messed with
[1525.2] Zoe: I tried really hard to send messages out to my social media
[1528.2] Zoe: I went on BlockRiner's livestream, like BlockRiner
[1530.2] Zoe: Let people know my Discord was hacked and not to click on your links from it
[1534.2] Zoe: I was, I did more, like, to try to get people to know not that something was awry
[1541.2] Zoe: Than most companies do when they get their entire systems, like, hacked
[1545.2] Zoe: And all the information's stolen
[1548.2] Zoe: So I was, I tried, and it was, it felt very helpless
[1552.2] Zoe: Like, Discord support is horrible
[1554.2] Zoe: And I was a Nitro member, paying $9 a month for their service
[1558.2] Zoe: And it still took them two weeks to get back to me to say that they're escalating the case
[1563.2] Zoe: And then, even after that, the person still was contacting people
[1567.2] Zoe: I was still getting messages from friends saying that they were being contacted by the account
[1572.2] Zoe: Like, it's very frustrating that, you know, a lot of this stuff is not just down to the people
[1578.2] Zoe: But also down to companies who don't have the support slash the tools slash the backend necessary
[1587.2] Zoe: Because I can only imagine, if I was compromised, other people got compromised
[1590.2] Zoe: Like, it just rolls downhill, more support requests for support tickets, more issues for Discord
[1596.2] Zoe: More chargebacks on credit cards, which doesn't work good for them and their payment processors, like
[1602.2] Jack: Yeah, meanwhile, you've got people, like, with ring doorbells
[1606.2] Jack: And someone rings the doorbell and they're like, hi, I'm selling cookies
[1610.2] Jack: Or, you know, raising money and they're like, oh, I'm not home right now
[1614.2] Jack: And then...
[1617.2] Jack: The meeting goes, hey, they're not in
[1620.2] Jack: And then break in
[1622.2] Jack: Because you literally just told them, hi, I'm not in
[1626.2] Jack: At the moment, on your ring doorbell that you've bought to help with security
[1634.2] Koel: I had my Snapchat got hacked a few years ago by some dude in, like, the Middle East
[1639.2] Koel: And it was so weird because it took me a good couple months to actually get it back
[1644.2] Koel: Because I was going back and forth with Snapchat
[1646.2] Koel: But they took forever to get back to me
[1648.2] Koel: And eventually, I actually ended up getting back in
[1652.2] Koel: They gave me an email saying, hey, here's your actual new login
[1655.2] Koel: Whoever was on it is out
[1657.2] Koel: I logged back in
[1659.2] Koel: This dude in the Middle East actually got back in within, like, 10 minutes
[1663.2] Koel: And I set up two-factor, I did all this shit
[1666.2] Koel: But then somehow I was able to, like...
[1669.2] Koel: I had to, like, basically do it again
[1671.2] Koel: But I was finally able to do that
[1673.2] Koel: And then once I did that, I changed my username
[1675.2] Koel: And then I just, like, deleted the account
[1677.2] Koel: Or, like, deactivated it until it was gone
[1679.2] Koel: And, uh...
[1681.2] Koel: Yeah, it's really weird to see, like, the messages they're sending
[1684.2] Koel: Like, the stories they posted
[1686.2] Koel: The...
[1688.2] Jack: Very violating
[1690.2] Koel: Yeah, it's just, like...
[1691.2] Koel: I don't know, man
[1692.2] Koel: People just need to get a life, I guess
[1694.2] Koel: But it's kind of weird
[1697.2] Jack: If you want to feel better about yourself
[1699.2] Jack: So, check out Wooden Gears
[1701.2] Jack: Or...
[1703.2] Jack: Um...
[1704.2] Jack: Is it Matthias? Matthias?
[1706.2] Jack: Uh...
[1708.2] Jack: Hang on, let's have a look
[1710.2] Jack: Yeah, uh...
[1711.2] Jack: Matthias Wandl
[1713.2] Jack: He's a Canadian dude
[1715.2] Jack: And...
[1717.2] Jack: He's...
[1718.2] Jack: Yeah, his channel got, like, hacked
[1721.2] Jack: I'll post...
[1722.2] Jack: I'll post a link in the chat
[1726.2] Zoe: I didn't lose my YouTube or anything else
[1729.2] Zoe: So it was just...
[1730.2] Zoe: Yeah
[1731.2] Zoe: If I did not act the way I acted in that moment
[1734.2] Zoe: And realizing how f***ing things were
[1737.2] Zoe: I honestly could have lost so much more
[1739.2] Zoe: And it's such a thing
[1743.2] Jack: It was...
[1744.2] Jack: That was a nightmare
[1747.2] Jack: Um...
[1748.2] Jack: They take your channel
[1750.2] Jack: They private all your videos
[1753.2] Jack: And then start putting the weird, deep-fake, sort of, edited videos of Elon Musk talking about Bitcoin
[1762.2] Jack: And, like, Mr. Beast and all that
[1764.2] Jack: And then trying to get people to invest
[1767.2] Jack: And it just totally...
[1769.2] Jack: Yeah, with, like, livestream, he just totally tanks and, like, ruins the algorithm for your...
[1775.2] Jack: And so many people, like, unsubscribe
[1778.2] Jack: He says, like...
[1780.2] Jack: And they got it back
[1781.2] Jack: And they were straight back in again
[1783.2] Jack: Because of the, um...
[1785.2] Jack: You know, because of, like, the sort of, like, pre-determined, like, log-in cash
[1791.2] Zoe: No, I will say, like, I feel thankful that I didn't get to that point
[1796.2] Zoe: And I haven't had a deal with that so far
[1799.2] Zoe: I'm so worried about it
[1800.2] Zoe: That was my biggest worry
[1801.2] Zoe: And still my biggest worry is that, you know, quote-unquote, the danger's not done
[1804.2] Zoe: And, you know, something's still looming
[1807.2] Zoe: But...
[1809.2] Zoe: Nothing horrible's happened so far
[1811.2] Zoe: And, you know, I've been very, you know, safe, quote-unquote
[1816.2] Koel: Yeah, fingers crossed
[1818.2] Zoe: But it still doesn't mean
[1819.2] Zoe: Like, I had issues back in the end of 2016 with, like, similar computer problems
[1826.2] Zoe: And at that point, I didn't have the mental resources or ability to handle nearly as well as I did this time around
[1832.2] Zoe: And I spiraled really hard from that one
[1834.2] Zoe: And that was not good
[1836.2] Zoe: But now, like, this one feels more like, thankfully, a speed bump than, you know
[1843.2] Zoe: And the last one was more targeted
[1845.2] Zoe: People, it was a really weird time, I don't know, I had
[1848.2] Zoe: There was a small group of people in the community that were very nasty
[1851.2] Zoe: And I haven't really talked about that story
[1853.2] Zoe: And really don't want to
[1854.2] Zoe: Because I don't like giving them the time of day or the breath of air
[1859.2] Zoe: This time it was me being completely f***ing stupid
[1862.2] Zoe: And just clicking on some random s*** from people trying to f*** them
[1866.2] Zoe: Culturally throw their way into people's accounts
[1869.2] Zoe: So it was a lot less, like, hate-filled and a lot more, like, by dung goofed
[1874.2] Zoe: And I'm very thankful that I've had friends around to help me through things
[1877.2] Zoe: Like Ali and Luna and Space, Crystal, and all my friends in the Discord
[1883.2] Zoe: Having people basically there tap me on the shoulder and be like
[1888.48] Zoe: Yozu, are you okay? You got this
[1891.48] Zoe: That's helped me through so much
[1894.48] Tony: It does, doesn't it?
[1896.48] Tony: People doing that to you
[1897.48] Tony: It makes you feel so much better
[1900.48] Tony: And you can keep going
[1902.48] Tony: Yeah
[1904.48] Koel: Yes, the board is super important when tough times happen
[1908.48] Koel: It's like, that's what can help you keep going, really
[1912.48] Zoe: That's why I've been trying to be very honest in this podcast
[1915.48] Zoe: Talking about the real issues, but also the real triumphs and everything involved within it
[1922.48] Zoe: You can't have the good without the bad
[1924.48] Zoe: And I know at one point in my life, years ago, especially my channel and more publicly
[1930.48] Zoe: I struggled a lot more than people really knew
[1934.48] Zoe: And I feel like that wasn't a disservice to myself
[1937.48] Zoe: And just the world around me
[1939.48] Zoe: Because a lot of people saw all the successes, but they didn't see all the struggles in between
[1945.48] Zoe: That, for at least me, made the successes all the more, like, right
[1950.48] Tony: Yeah
[1951.48] Zoe: And so coming back into FPV, I'm trying to, quote-unquote, not hide the ugliness
[1959.48] Zoe: But also be very cognizant to, like, I don't know, not
[1966.48] Zoe: Not necessarily dwell on it, I'm not focused on the bad
[1968.48] Zoe: Like, I really want to figure out solutions to my life
[1971.48] Zoe: I want to figure out passwords for not just myself, but FPV in general
[1976.48] Zoe: Like, it's a community effort to make sure that FPV stays amazing
[1981.48] Zoe: It's not just one company or one person
[1984.48] Zoe: It literally takes all of us being great ambassadors for this hobby
[1987.48] Zoe: Especially now with how FPV has turned into a war machine in some ways
[1995.48] Zoe: And we have to be the reminders that it's not just that
[2000.48] Zoe: And FPV is such an amazing experience and such an amazing hobby that
[2006.48] Zoe: It needs to be seen, it needs to be protected, it needs to be celebrated
[2010.48] Zoe: Even with all the bad
[2013.48] Zoe: So, yeah
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[2037.48] Frank: Four slash, let's drone out
[2040.48] Tony: Oh, MG's come into the chat
[2043.48] Tony: Oh, yeah, Max
[2044.48] Zoe: You're enjoying the content, it's absolutely beautiful, MG
[2048.48] Zoe: I'm very glad you entered and I'm hoping you're going to get the next one
[2052.48] Zoe: Yeah, no, I really hope all the moc1pales get a chance to meet
[2055.48] Zoe: I'd be really warm
[2057.48] Zoe: That would be cool, everyone, but you know
[2060.48] Tony: I'd say you love MG's flow
[2063.48] Koel: I've been tuning into some of those reviews
[2066.48] Koel: I know that guy, Fly, he's been posting stuff
[2069.48] Koel: And I guess everybody has been, yeah
[2071.48] Koel: It's really cool to see all the entries
[2075.48] Zoe: Honestly, the thing I'm most proud of is coming back to FVV
[2080.48] Zoe: I feel like, in general, when you're doing something
[2083.48] Zoe: It's always like, what's the last thing you've done, quote unquote
[2086.48] Zoe: And coming back into FVV, I really hadn't done the last thing I've done, quote unquote
[2091.48] Zoe: Well, the last things I've done is working on a preset for 3D and Betaflight for 4.5
[2096.48] Zoe: That makes it absolutely frickin' buttery and fun to fly
[2101.48] Zoe: Getting into DCL with moc1 and pushing, again, racing-wise
[2105.48] Zoe: And being faster than I've ever been before
[2107.48] Zoe: Even though I feel like I'm still slow compared to the amazing pilots in DCL
[2111.48] Zoe: And there's a lot of amazing pilots in DCL this year
[2115.48] Zoe: And then this freestyle contest
[2116.48] Zoe: Coming in and hosting a freestyle contest again
[2119.48] Zoe: And doing something new and unique
[2121.48] Zoe: The fact that we were able to do a livestream on five different channels
[2125.48] Zoe: At the same time with seven judges
[2128.48] Zoe: And have 30 entries judged within a matter of an hour
[2132.48] Zoe: I think that was a really accomplishment on its own
[2136.48] Zoe: One accomplishment I hope to repeat in the future with the next contest
[2142.48] Zoe: And I think it's one that I think the community will support more
[2145.48] Zoe: And it'll be a lot less stressful for me
[2147.48] Zoe: Because people know what I'm trying to do now versus
[2150.48] Zoe: Be like, hey, I'm trying to do this contest
[2153.48] Zoe: I want to do multiple livestreams
[2156.48] Zoe: I have all this live-judging things going on
[2158.48] Zoe: I don't have to explain it
[2159.48] Zoe: People now can see it
[2161.48] Zoe: They can go watch the livestreams
[2164.48] Zoe: The people that have livestreams
[2167.48] Zoe: They now know what to expect
[2169.48] Zoe: And they can help others learn what to expect
[2172.48] Zoe: The livestreams and stuff like that
[2175.48] Zoe: So it's something I'm very proud of
[2178.48] Zoe: And I hope it continues
[2179.48] Zoe: And I hope the community will get behind
[2181.48] Zoe: Because the moc1
[2182.48] Zoe: A lot of people I've seen in a comment
[2184.48] Zoe: Not in a lot of people
[2185.48] Zoe: But I've seen at least a couple of comments
[2187.48] Zoe: Accused moc1 of being
[2188.48] Zoe: Woke corporate s***
[2191.48] Zoe: And corporate's back sponsored wokeness
[2195.48] Zoe: Well, let me tell you, it's not
[2196.48] Zoe: There's no corporate sponsors that are pushing all these ladies
[2199.48] Zoe: To come together to form moc1
[2202.48] Zoe: There are a bunch of amazing women in the community
[2204.48] Zoe: That want to promote not just more women in the community
[2209.48] Zoe: But FPV being an amazing community for women and everybody
[2213.48] Zoe: And it's a hard balance to do
[2216.48] Zoe: And it's hard to try to promote women without
[2220.48] Zoe: On some level quote-unquote sounding woke
[2223.48] Zoe: But I know everyone within the team
[2226.48] Zoe: Wants to do it the right way
[2228.48] Zoe: And wants to just try to create a spotlight
[2230.48] Zoe: For more women in the industry
[2231.48] Zoe: Because there's a lot of amazing pilots
[2234.48] Zoe: And we kind of feel like the only way
[2236.48] Zoe: We're going to see more women get into FPV
[2239.48] Zoe: Is if more women are given a spotlight
[2242.48] Zoe: And shown that, you know, hey, they exist too
[2246.48] Zoe: There's another woman like me
[2247.48] Zoe: And there's someone like me that's doing this epic thing
[2250.48] Zoe: Like maybe I can do that too
[2251.48] Zoe: Maybe I can reach out to them and like
[2253.48] Zoe: Have a friendship with that person
[2256.48] Zoe: Totally
[2257.48] Zoe: It is so important to have that kind of spotlight
[2260.48] Zoe: And that's something that I'm really, really trying
[2263.48] Zoe: With these competitions and contests
[2266.48] Zoe: While also making sure it's something available
[2268.48] Zoe: For the entire community
[2270.48] Zoe: And I might get in trouble for saying this
[2273.48] Zoe: And I feel like it needs to be said
[2276.48] Zoe: When I came in to Mach 1
[2280.48] Zoe: I was very adamant in making sure
[2282.48] Zoe: That all the competitions were open to everybody
[2284.48] Zoe: That we didn't just have women-only competitions
[2288.48] Zoe: Because I don't want to see exclusion in the reverse
[2292.48] Zoe: With an FPV
[2295.48] Zoe: And it's a really hard balance
[2298.48] Zoe: One that I unfortunately feel like is on my shoulders right now
[2301.48] Zoe: A little bit
[2302.48] Zoe: But it's one that I want to try to achieve
[2305.48] Zoe: Because I want a brighter and better future for FPV
[2308.48] Zoe: And that means a better future for everyone in it
[2311.48] Zoe: Not just, you know, the current state of people
[2315.48] Zoe: And I want the next great generation of pilots to come in
[2318.48] Zoe: And take over and bring it to a level that we can only imagine
[2321.48] Zoe: I still think that's going to happen
[2324.48] Tony: Hopefully
[2326.48] Tony: How long did you have off?
[2329.48] Tony: How long did you not fly for?
[2331.48] Zoe: From not flying to flying again
[2336.48] Zoe: About two and a half, three years I think
[2339.48] Zoe: Is it that long?
[2341.48] Zoe: Yeah, like when I got sick with COVID
[2345.48] Zoe: It exasperated my nerve pain issues
[2348.48] Zoe: And also my stomach issues
[2350.48] Zoe: And it was really hard for me to even sit down and simulate her
[2353.48] Zoe: And it was
[2356.48] Zoe: It took a while for my body to
[2358.48] Zoe: I think I had long COVID effectively
[2361.48] Zoe: It took a while for me to start getting over that
[2364.48] Zoe: So
[2368.48] Zoe: Yeah, and then also being in a place in life
[2371.48] Zoe: Where I really didn't have access to going to fly easily
[2373.48] Zoe: And physically just not in a good way
[2376.48] Zoe: It was very rough
[2378.48] Zoe: And it made me realize there definitely has two versions of my life
[2381.48] Zoe: One with FPV and one without FPV
[2384.48] Zoe: And physically things suck
[2387.86] Zoe: But I'd much rather live in a world where I'm flying
[2389.86] Zoe: Than one where I'm not
[2392.86] Zoe: That's still one of my only great escapes
[2395.86] Tony: It is a great escape, isn't it?
[2398.86] Tony: I haven't done it for a little while
[2400.86] Tony: I haven't flown for I think I've had a year off flying
[2403.86] Tony: I think the luck, when was the last flight?
[2405.86] Tony: I don't know, probably easily a year ago I think
[2409.86] Zoe: It's not a food frigate hum is it?
[2412.86] Tony: Yeah, hopefully I can pick it back up and
[2415.86] Tony: Fly again and it'll be all okay
[2418.86] Tony: I do miss the
[2421.86] Tony: I do miss meeting up with Buddy
[2423.86] Tony: I do miss the whole
[2426.86] Tony: Well, just going out and finding somewhere to fly with friends
[2429.86] Tony: And just spending a day chatting rubbish
[2432.86] Tony: Flying a bit
[2434.86] Jack: Yeah, I get
[2437.86] Jack: I think something that's really nice for me is like
[2440.86] Jack: Cole's editing videos for me
[2442.86] Jack: And it is nice to like
[2445.86] Jack: Have key
[2447.86] Jack: Edited videos to come back to
[2449.86] Jack: I haven't had to troll through that footage
[2451.86] Jack: You'll get stressed now or
[2453.86] Jack: Like be like trying to make a narrative
[2455.86] Jack: It's
[2457.86] Jack: Cole gets to like rummage in my underwear draw
[2460.86] Jack: Then put an outfit together
[2463.86] Jack: I get to look back at that outfit and be like
[2466.86] Jack: Yeah, back in the 70s when Tony had hair
[2469.86] Jack: And my stuff
[2473.86] Jack: And a Hawaiian shirt
[2475.86] Koel: I have never rummaged through Jack's underwear drawer
[2478.86] Koel: I will just say that out loud
[2480.86] Jack: Yeah, and you look and I get this little snapshot
[2483.86] Jack: Like
[2485.86] Jack: It's a sunny day and I had friends
[2488.86] Jack: And we went out and we just
[2490.86] Jack: Filled and it was great
[2492.86] Jack: And Tony was like look at the grass
[2495.86] Jack: And yeah, it's not
[2497.86] Jack: Admittedly Cole wasn't there
[2499.86] Jack: But now and again Cole visits
[2501.86] Jack: And it's alright
[2502.86] Zoe: I call it touching grass
[2504.86] Zoe: And I
[2506.86] Zoe: I tell myself this
[2508.86] Zoe: I know the phrase touching grass at some point
[2510.86] Zoe: If you tell someone to go touch grass
[2511.86] Zoe: It's really taken as an insult
[2513.86] Zoe: I tell it to myself because
[2515.86] Zoe: I need to go touch grass on occasion
[2517.86] Zoe: I need to go outside
[2518.86] Zoe: Get out of my little box
[2519.86] Zoe: Whether it's the RV or this room
[2521.86] Zoe: Or the house
[2523.86] Zoe: Literally touch grass with my drone
[2526.86] Zoe: And just go out and fly
[2528.86] Zoe: And I think that's the biggest thing
[2530.86] Zoe: FPV does for a lot of people
[2533.86] Zoe: It literally gets us out of our frickin' heads
[2536.86] Zoe: And there's very few things that is so all-encompassing
[2539.86] Zoe: That requires your attention
[2541.86] Zoe: Like you can't not focus on FPV when you're flying
[2544.86] Zoe: You cannot not focus on what you're doing
[2547.86] Zoe: So it literally forces you into a flow state
[2550.86] Zoe: And it's something I think a lot of people
[2552.86] Zoe: Whether they're dealing with physical issues
[2554.86] Zoe: Or mental issues
[2556.86] Zoe: It helps
[2558.86] Zoe: It's just
[2560.86] Zoe: This is one of the things I wish I had the energy
[2562.86] Zoe: And time and motivation to go back to school
[2564.86] Zoe: Because I would love to study the psychochemical effects
[2568.86] Zoe: Of FPV on the brain
[2570.86] Jack: One thing I do want to offer you, Zoe
[2573.86] Jack: And no pressure
[2575.86] Jack: But one day if you are feeling better
[2578.86] Jack: Let us know if you want to kick us off for one day
[2583.86] Jack: And you host all girls things
[2586.86] Jack: There's no dudes
[2588.86] Jack: It's not like, you know, a sausage fest
[2590.86] Jack: But I just think it'd be quite funny
[2592.86] Jack: Just one day we don't tell anyone
[2595.86] Jack: And then the show comes on
[2597.86] Jack: And there's not one single LDO
[2600.86] Jack: It's usually a complete sausage fest here
[2603.86] Jack: But it would just be funny just to like
[2605.86] Jack: Just six women show up, for instance
[2608.86] Jack: And be like, yeah, you've got a list to us now
[2610.86] Zoe: I mean, it's possible
[2612.86] Zoe: It's very possible
[2614.86] Zoe: So I would say like
[2616.86] Zoe: Going on to that, the cool thing in Lock One is the community
[2620.86] Zoe: There's a Lock One Discord that's been started up
[2623.86] Zoe: And a lot of the pilots on the team are in there
[2625.86] Zoe: Trying to, you know, interact with the community
[2627.86] Zoe: And likewise have that whole flow of people in and out
[2632.86] Zoe: The best thing that's been for me about being part of the team
[2635.86] Zoe: Is the connection to all the amazing pilots
[2638.86] Zoe: That I knew in the community
[2640.86] Zoe: But didn't have a chance to interact with a lot
[2642.86] Zoe: Like the fact that I get to train with some of these amazing pilots
[2647.86] Zoe: And have a reason to train with them
[2649.86] Zoe: Or with the freestyle contest
[2651.86] Zoe: Like there's meetings every two weeks
[2653.86] Zoe: About holding more of them
[2655.86] Zoe: And just having something to coalesce around
[2658.86] Zoe: And to work with other amazing women in the industry on
[2663.86] Zoe: Has been like one of the most amazing things coming back in a few weeks
[2668.86] Zoe: For me, especially when I started
[2671.86] Zoe: I felt very lonely
[2673.86] Zoe: And coming back, I don't feel like that as much anymore
[2677.86] Tony: That's good, very good
[2679.86] Jack: Makes you realize that there's people who, yeah
[2685.86] Jack: Although they didn't get involved
[2688.86] Jack: Or don't feel like they can do much for you
[2690.86] Jack: There is people that sit there and literally wait for you
[2694.86] Jack: And, you know, not including myself
[2700.86] Jack: Like Frank will sit there and just observe
[2704.86] Jack: And he's silently cheering for you
[2707.86] Jack: And we're just here for just hoping things will get better
[2713.86] Jack: You know, I, you know, I'm in a transitional period
[2720.86] Jack: I'm not doing too good
[2722.86] Jack: You know, you're not alone
[2724.86] Jack: You know, it's like no karma
[2727.86] Jack: It's like where do I get one of those stickers
[2730.86] Jack: I haven't got access to those stickers at the moment
[2732.86] Jack: They're packed somewhere
[2733.86] Jack: I don't know where they are
[2735.86] Jack: But if and when I get back on my feet
[2738.86] Jack: I'll try and remember if you sent me an email
[2741.86] Jack: And it'll be a nice day where I can just send you one of those stickers for free
[2747.86] Jack: And you're doing the right thing
[2750.86] Jack: You know, you keep going
[2752.86] Jack: That's all we ask you to do
[2754.86] Jack: Just be here
[2756.86] Jack: And hopefully it will get better
[2759.86] Jack: You know, because we...
[2760.86] Jack: Well it has already
[2762.86] Jack: Yeah, you know, we just...
[2765.86] Jack: We worry about it
[2766.86] Koel: You have to say any steps forward is better than none, right
[2769.86] Koel: Even if it's a centimetre of a half of a millimetre step forward
[2773.86] Koel: It's something, right?
[2775.86] Jack: Yeah
[2777.86] Jack: I mean, Cole was getting tubby
[2779.86] Jack: And now he's like jacked
[2780.86] Jack: If you want to have a real good day
[2782.86] Jack: I know you don't bat for that team
[2784.86] Jack: But if we could convince Cole to take your shirt off
[2786.86] Jack: It's...
[2787.86] Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah
[2788.86] Zoe: I'm always maintained I'm bisexual, OK
[2790.86] Zoe: I bat for me
[2791.86] Zoe: Oh, I didn't know
[2792.86] Jack: You're like touching grass
[2794.86] Jack: I thought it was like a lesbian movement over here now
[2798.86] Jack: What? What?
[2799.86] Jack: It's either that or you were having to go after me naked
[2802.86] Tony: Get out of the basement, touch the grass
[2809.86] Tony: It was an actual thing, Jack
[2811.86] Tony: Go and touch actual grass
[2813.86] Jack: I know, I know, I know
[2815.86] Jack: Look at the grass
[2816.86] Jack: The bite of grass
[2817.86] Jack: This is all we had a month
[2819.86] Jack: When he had the FBV digital
[2823.86] Jack: It was the individual bite of grass
[2827.86] Tony: It still is great but
[2829.86] Tony: I need to put my goggles on
[2831.86] Tony: I need to get back and have a little fly I think
[2834.86] Tony: But the thing is in England
[2838.86] Tony: It's the weather as well
[2840.86] Tony: It's not stopped raining since October
[2842.86] Tony: It's literally wet everywhere
[2844.86] Tony: It's horrific
[2846.86] Zoe: No, you say this
[2848.86] Zoe: You say this, coming back in FPV you asked earlier
[2850.86] Zoe: About the advances in FPV
[2853.86] Zoe: And I will say
[2855.86] Zoe: 16 to 20 gram whoops
[2858.86] Zoe: Fly like five inches now
[2860.86] Zoe: I've seen motherf***ers trippy spinning
[2863.86] Zoe: And doing crazy s*** with them
[2865.86] Zoe: That I never thought a micro of that scale could do
[2868.86] Zoe: In an environment as small as indoors
[2872.86] Zoe: So like I feel that
[2874.86] Zoe: And honestly I feel like there's going to be more indoor FPV
[2876.86] Zoe: Especially going into the future
[2878.86] Zoe: Virtual events, simulated events
[2881.86] Zoe: And indoor events I think are going to become more of a norm
[2886.86] Zoe: Especially with rules and regulations
[2888.86] Zoe: Being so weird across different countries
[2890.86] Zoe: I mean
[2891.86] Zoe: Like right now
[2893.86] Zoe: For example, and this is something I will say
[2895.86] Zoe: Like the last event I went to
[2899.86] Zoe: There was an FAA agent that did show up
[2901.86] Zoe: And he turned away from anything
[2905.86] Zoe: Because he knew we were being safe
[2908.86] Zoe: But too that no one had the ability
[2911.86] Zoe: To follow the rules if they wanted to
[2913.86] Zoe: It was hard for pilots to get access to remote ID modules
[2916.86] Zoe: And things like that
[2918.86] Zoe: Even so, still, remote ID modules were around
[2921.86] Zoe: But it's really, really hard
[2924.86] Zoe: With these rules and regulations for pilots to conform
[2929.86] Zoe: And at the same time, the rules and regulations
[2931.86] Zoe: That have been added over the last several years
[2934.86] Zoe: Don't make the skies any safer
[2937.86] Zoe: And that's the thing that frustrates me the most
[2939.86] Zoe: Is that
[2941.86] Zoe: The safety profile of these machines is huge
[2944.86] Zoe: And to regulate them away
[2947.86] Zoe: Is such a disservice to the world
[2952.86] Zoe: I'm hoping that we still have a chance to
[2954.86] Zoe: One, tell regulators what makes sense
[2957.86] Zoe: And two, for our voices to coalesce and be heard
[2960.86] Zoe: Because with any legislature
[2964.86] Zoe: Any kind of rules and regulations
[2966.86] Zoe: Rules can always be changed
[2968.86] Zoe: They can always be adapted
[2970.86] Zoe: And what is today might not be tomorrow
[2975.86] Zoe: But we also have to push for what we want as a community
[2979.86] Zoe: And we're going to have to push even harder now, unfortunately
[2983.86] Jack: Speaking about remote ID and forced getting into the FlowState
[2988.86] Jack: I did enjoy you on the FlowState documentary
[2994.86] Zoe: I have yet to watch it
[2996.86] Zoe: Okay, that's small
[2998.86] Zoe: I was supposed to be interviewed for that documentary
[3001.86] Zoe: And I was very sick when I was supposed to be interviewed
[3004.86] Zoe: And could not be interviewed
[3005.86] Zoe: So because of that, I felt kind of sad
[3007.86] Zoe: That I've never got a chance to be in it properly
[3009.86] Zoe: So I never watched it because of that
[3013.86] Jack: It's available on Plex
[3015.86] Jack: And you appear during the
[3021.86] Jack: The protest, you're on the podium giving the speech
[3025.86] Zoe: I've heard it was good
[3027.86] Jack: Yeah, it was
[3029.86] Jack: It made you sound very powerful
[3032.86] Jack: That's what I felt anyway
[3034.86] Zoe: That watch it, I reckon
[3035.86] Jack: Yeah
[3036.86] Zoe: I was told by my co-workers at the time
[3038.86] Zoe: Which, by the way, I was working for a government contractor
[3042.86] Zoe: I was told by my co-workers to not go to that protest
[3047.86] Zoe: I went, still, because it was important
[3049.86] Zoe: It was important for the community to hear that
[3053.86] UNKNOWN: Yeah
[3054.86] Jack: But, yeah
[3055.86] Jack: That's so important
[3058.86] Jack: How was your time that wrote, Roy?
[3061.86] Zoe: Good, I mean, honestly, no major complaints
[3064.86] Zoe: I wish I got a chance to do more of it
[3066.86] Zoe: I wish it was, I mean, I know
[3068.86] Zoe: At one point in time, Drew and the team were reaching out to me
[3071.86] Zoe: When I was in a much more rough state
[3074.86] Zoe: And I wasn't in any position to really go to my own page
[3077.86] Zoe: A few years ago when they started them back up after COVID
[3083.86] Zoe: And I just, I've kind of fallen out of contact with most of the team
[3087.86] Zoe: Like, I know a lot of them care
[3089.86] Zoe: They just didn't know how to help and or what to do
[3092.86] Zoe: And or had the capacity to help at the time, I think
[3097.86] Zoe: Yeah, like, I don't know
[3099.86] Zoe: I don't have any ill feelings towards anyone
[3102.86] Zoe: I really do love everyone there
[3104.86] Zoe: And the new crop of people at Road Right seem pretty freaking cool
[3108.86] Zoe: Stacey, I've really had a chance to hang out with her much
[3111.86] Zoe: But for nothing but amazing things that matter
[3114.86] Zoe: And yeah, no, it's cool beans
[3118.86] Zoe: I won the few Road Right pilots that I feel like left, right
[3121.86] Zoe: And didn't cause a table to get flipped
[3123.86] Zoe: Or I didn't make a giant drama mess out of things
[3126.86] Zoe: And I've always been behind, you know, not smack talking them
[3131.86] Zoe: Because it's hard, like, it's hard to be
[3134.86] Zoe: It's hard to make a business out of something like FPV
[3138.86] Jack: And it has to make money, that's the problem
[3141.86] Jack: It has to
[3143.86] Jack: And honestly, I feel bad for Drew
[3145.86] Zoe: I feel horrible for Drew
[3147.86] Zoe: Drew took on the job of trying to make that reality
[3150.86] Zoe: And in the process of that, I feel like
[3153.86] Zoe: I feel like that's, you know, changed a little bit of
[3156.86] Zoe: How he views the world around him and everything else
[3159.86] Zoe: And how he has to operate as a human being
[3161.86] Zoe: And at least visually watching videos
[3166.86] Zoe: He's a different person now than he was when he got into it
[3169.86] Zoe: And I'm hoping he can find his childliness again
[3174.86] Koel: You know what the same business changes things
[3177.86] Koel: Business definitely changes things for sure
[3180.86] Zoe: Yeah
[3182.86] Zoe: Drew, let's say that as out of love
[3185.86] Zoe: Like, I've seen how it's like
[3189.86] Zoe: I wouldn't say soul sucking
[3190.86] Zoe: But I see how, like, you have to do what you do to make things happen
[3193.86] Zoe: And that's difficult
[3195.86] Zoe: I think that's also what doesn't even roll on his head
[3198.86] Zoe: It's just the industry in general
[3199.86] Zoe: It's really, really hard for hobby companies to turn it into a profitable business
[3204.86] Zoe: And even the biggest businesses have a hard time turning a profit
[3208.86] Zoe: While also trying to stay true to the community
[3210.86] Zoe: It is a mere impossible balance
[3213.86] Zoe: And I do not envy any of the FPV companies right now
[3218.86] Jack: Yeah
[3219.86] Jack: I think he does, you know, a really good job
[3223.86] Jack: All things considered
[3225.86] Jack: Yeah, I know, I know
[3226.86] Zoe: I just think it's stressful
[3227.86] Zoe: It's stressful to try to maintain that balance
[3229.86] Zoe: It's extremely stressful
[3230.86] Jack: Yeah
[3231.86] Jack: I still think he should have actually, you know, been like
[3234.86] Jack: Yes, I will be the bad guy
[3236.86] Jack: I just found a group of violets
[3238.86] Jack: I just spent, you know, a couple of seasons just tormenting them
[3242.86] Jack: Kind of like the BBC directors to Top Gear
[3246.86] Jack: You know, it's right
[3248.86] Jack: Enjoy
[3249.86] Zoe: I'm glad that hadn't happened
[3251.86] Zoe: You know, my tie on where it was always fun
[3253.86] Zoe: Like I treated it like a vacation
[3255.86] Zoe: Like I was going to go make fun content with some amazing people that I loved
[3259.86] Zoe: And still love, like all the pilots I hung out with
[3262.86] Jack: Like
[3263.86] Zoe: Yeah
[3264.86] Zoe: It's
[3265.86] Zoe: And this is something I'll even give, like DRL an odd to
[3270.86] Zoe: Because DRL announced that their whole initiative for March was to try to encourage more women to get into racing
[3277.86] Zoe: And they're doing their own initiatives
[3279.86] Zoe: And I think one of the main areas of them not doing
[3282.86] Zoe: Very happy to at least see them
[3284.86] Zoe: Quote unquote trying
[3286.86] Zoe: Is
[3287.86] Zoe: That's the thing
[3288.86] Zoe: In order to get more people
[3290.86] Zoe: More women and whatnot
[3292.86] Zoe: In the spotlight
[3294.86] Zoe: They have to be in the spotlight
[3296.86] Zoe: And there has to be more people welcomed into the fold
[3300.86] Zoe: And, you know, Drew's really done a great job of trying to mix
[3304.86] Zoe: A very diverse cast of people in FPV on the road to Riot
[3308.86] Zoe: And I've, you know, seen him in that
[3310.86] Zoe: And it's been really cool to see, you know
[3313.86] Zoe: Yeah
[3314.86] Zoe: And I think more companies need to take that kind of stance
[3318.86] Zoe: And really try to diversify
[3320.86] Zoe: Because the community of FPV is very diverse
[3322.86] Zoe: But the corporateization or the corporate end of the drone industry is less so
[3328.86] Zoe: And
[3330.86] Zoe: It
[3331.86] Zoe: They're two different ends of the spectrum
[3334.86] Zoe: And they kind of meet in the middle somewhere
[3337.86] Zoe: And there's a lot of friction
[3341.86] Jack: I think one of the important things to remember with Riot Riot
[3344.86] Jack: Is the
[3347.86] Jack: The fact that it documents
[3349.86] Jack: Like the
[3351.86] Jack: The uptick of FPV
[3354.86] Jack: And some of the key people
[3357.86] Jack: Like, especially like
[3360.86] Jack: Something I've really struggled with
[3363.86] Jack: With watching FlowState
[3365.86] Jack: Was, yeah, it's a FPV film about like what
[3370.86] Jack: You know, the negative side
[3372.86] Jack: Like the negative outcome of Remote ID
[3375.86] Jack: But I feel that FPV and its community have got
[3381.86] Jack: Has got the strength to overcome any sort of restrictions or
[3388.86] Jack: You know, difficulties
[3391.86] Jack: But
[3393.86] Zoe: This too shall pass
[3395.86] Zoe: I feel like Remote ID will become lesser of an issue over time
[3398.86] Jack: Yeah
[3400.86] Jack: Yeah, like once
[3402.86] Jack: Yeah, people, you know
[3404.86] Jack: It was like when cars first come out
[3406.86] Jack: You've got to have a person waving a flag in front of it
[3409.86] Jack: To know why the people have gained it
[3411.86] Zoe: Well, most people in FPV right now are more recent
[3413.86] Zoe: And they, at least American pilots
[3416.86] Zoe: A lot of them don't remember when the FAA started requiring pilots
[3419.86] Zoe: Put their FAA number on the chance
[3422.86] Zoe: And that was like a whole thing
[3424.86] Zoe: People were like, oh my god, I'm forced
[3426.86] Zoe: And a lot of the same rhetoric was around then that there is now
[3431.86] Zoe: The difference is that these RAD modules add weight complexity
[3436.86] Zoe: And they're expensive
[3438.86] Zoe: And it doesn't, at the end of the day, add any more safety to the airspace
[3443.86] Zoe: Than putting a sticker with your number on it
[3446.86] Jack: Yeah, and also, it's fantastic for stalkers
[3450.86] Jack: You know, because like a license plate
[3453.86] Zoe: Yeah, you should really get in on that
[3456.86] Zoe: Because there's a lot of privacy rights probably being violated
[3459.86] Zoe: By the rules and regulations
[3461.86] Zoe: Not laws that the FAA is trying to implement
[3465.86] Zoe: And there's laws that could very well be at contention
[3469.86] Zoe: With these rules and regulations when it comes to privacy rights
[3473.86] Zoe: That's something as someone who's had a stalker
[3476.86] Zoe: Scares the shit out of me
[3478.86] Zoe: I've also known someone, a female pilot, who was held at gunpoint
[3482.86] Zoe: And had her stuff stolen
[3485.86] Zoe: So safety is a huge issue when it comes to being a pilot of a drone already
[3491.86] Zoe: And I don't know
[3494.86] Zoe: That whole privacy end of remote ID sits very, very unwell with me
[3501.86] Jack: Yeah, that is something that I feel that me and Tony might do
[3507.86] Jack: Is buy a load of silly string
[3510.86] Jack: And just be like, this week, we're going to take a week off
[3514.86] Jack: And we're just going to drive and silly string attack
[3518.86] Jack: People trying to fly FPV
[3521.86] Jack: So we'll go up to them
[3523.86] Jack: We'll have an iPad or whatever it takes
[3525.86] Jack: And look and see
[3527.86] Jack: And drive to the nearest person who's flying FPV
[3531.86] Jack: Wait till they land
[3533.86] Zoe: And then there's the version we have right now
[3536.86] Zoe: The version we have right now, you have to be in close proximity already
[3540.86] Zoe: To be able to pick up on it
[3543.86] Zoe: Standard IRD and also getting Lance approvals and whatnot
[3547.86] Zoe: That's a whole different thing
[3548.86] Zoe: So as a hobbyist, you have a little more safety
[3552.86] Zoe: But as a part 107 pilot, if you are following the rules and regulations
[3559.86] Zoe: It adds a whole other level of safety factor that becomes a concern
[3565.86] Zoe: And I don't know if the FAA is willing to take responsibility for someone getting hurt on the ground
[3573.86] Zoe: While they're trying to save people from getting hurt in the airspace
[3577.86] Zoe: And I think there's a bigger reality of them getting hurt on the ground at this point in time
[3581.86] Zoe: Especially the way the world is
[3583.86] Zoe: Than a drone 10 years plus into the consumer revolution causing an issue at this point
[3590.86] Zoe: But that's just my opinion
[3593.86] Jack: Unfortunately, that is all we got time for
[3596.86] Jack: So it's been a while since I've been doing these
[3601.86] Jack: And I thought, you know what, that was a good show
[3603.86] Jack: And firstly, I think that you made that a good show
[3607.86] Jack: Thank you
[3609.86] Jack: I haven't felt like this for a long time
[3611.86] Zoe: Thank you for having me on it now
[3613.86] Jack: You are always welcome
[3615.86] Jack: You're always here
[3618.86] Jack: Would you like to tell people about your actual new Discord, your Patreon
[3626.86] Jack: Do a bit of self promotion
[3628.86] Jack: And also the new projects you're working on, the girls
[3634.86] Zoe: Yeah, to plug my stuff
[3637.86] Zoe: Brokenprop.shop or brokenpropshop.com has linked to my Discord, has linked to my Patreon
[3642.86] Zoe: Has some stickers and I sell pre-built unicorns if people want to order a custom drone
[3648.86] Zoe: And likewise, coaching, that's available as well
[3652.86] Zoe: As far as projects, Mach 1, GoFall, Mach 1 on social media
[3656.86] Zoe: I am not the voice of Mach 1, I am just one of many pilots that help make it happen
[3661.86] Zoe: GoFall allowed those amazing women
[3664.86] Zoe: Because honestly, there's a lot of people and a lot of amazing women in the community that no one really knows about
[3671.86] Zoe: And or supports, and I feel like, you know, they deserve support
[3676.86] Zoe: So, you know, GoFall and Mach 1
[3678.86] Zoe: And if you're a corporate sponsor and you think I'm too volatile to sponsor, go sponsor Mach 1
[3684.86] Zoe: Diane, the team mom, she's got her shit together
[3687.86] Zoe: She's not me
[3688.86] Zoe: She can keep me in line
[3689.86] Zoe: Go sponsor Mach 1 to do cool stuff
[3691.86] Zoe: Because yeah, no, I think that team deserves influx of money and funds to go do cool stuff in the industry
[3700.86] Zoe: And to make cool things happen for not only the team, but for the industry at large
[3704.86] Zoe: And I know the chances of a sponsor hearing us are very low
[3708.86] Zoe: But you know what, I'm putting it out into the world because you've got to dream
[3713.86] Zoe: And if we don't have dreams, you don't get anywhere
[3715.86] Zoe: So, yeah, that's right
[3720.86] Zoe: But yeah, I think that covers it
[3723.86] Jack: No worries
[3724.86] Jack: You've been listening to Let's Drone Out
[3727.86] Jack: It has been an absolute pleasure to have Zari FPV
[3730.86] Jack: Go follow her
[3732.86] Jack: Subscribe
[3734.86] Jack: She's on YouTube
[3736.86] Jack: She's one of the pillars of the community
[3741.86] Jack: Somewhere next to final guide Oz
[3745.86] Jack: Bruce
[3748.86] Jack: Chad
[3751.86] Jack: Like an Australian family
[3753.86] Jack: I like this
[3754.86] Jack: Yeah
[3756.86] Jack: Yeah, Steel
[3759.86] Jack: A lot of the guys are true
[3762.86] Jack: Who else is Boris B?
[3765.86] Jack: All those guys
[3767.86] Jack: Metal Danny
[3769.86] Jack: You've been there since the beginning
[3772.86] Jack: I'm proud of you, Zoe
[3774.86] Jack: And the fact that I know all the hardships you've been through
[3779.86] Jack: And it's truly amazing that you're still going
[3785.86] Jack: I'm elated that you still enjoy FPV
[3789.86] Jack: We love you
[3791.86] Jack: The community loves you
[3793.86] Jack: It's been a big turnout for you
[3795.86] Jack: And if you're new, definitely go back and look at the archives with Zoe
[3802.86] Jack: Because my favourite was her and Skiptoe
[3806.86] Jack: Playing with a ready-built quad, which was pretty good
[3810.86] Jack: So, yeah, she's been there
[3814.86] Jack: She's been one of the right people
[3817.86] Jack: And, yeah, you're all-round great
[3820.86] Jack: And you're always welcome on this show
[3823.86] Zoe: With love
[3825.86] Zoe: They love you all
[3827.86] Zoe: Thanks for being on the journey with me
[3829.86] Zoe: And, yeah, hopefully you'll not be a stranger
[3834.86] Zoe: It won't take another five, six, seven, eight years to be on the show again
[3838.86] Jack: Don't be silly, man
[3840.86] Jack: It's always space for you here
[3843.86] Zoe: Tony, goodbye
[3845.86] Zoe: Tony, good for no battery
[3847.86] Jack: This one's for you, Zoe
[3849.86] Jack: Next video
[3851.86] Tony: Yeah, I'll do a flight for Zoe
[3854.86] Tony: Please
[3856.86] Jack: Tony tried to make out he'd only be here for half an hour
[3859.86] Jack: But he obviously enjoyed himself, so he's still here
[3861.86] Tony: I did, so I was just like, gross
[3863.86] Tony: I've soaked whatever I've had to do
[3866.86] Tony: I'm like, no, I'm staying
[3868.86] Tony: It's good
[3869.86] Jack: It's a testimony to you, Zoe
[3871.86] Jack: You've been joined by my buddy, Cole
[3874.86] Jack: Thanks for having me, nice talking to you, Zoe
[3876.86] Jack: My darling wife, Tony
[3878.86] Jack: Bonjour
[3880.86] Jack: Zoe, FBB
[3883.86] Jack: Oh
[3884.86] Jack: And we've been supported by our lovely Patreons
[3888.86] Jack: If you've got a few extra change
[3891.86] Jack: Please think about singing a couple of dollars towards Zoe
[3895.86] Jack: She's a good cause
[3897.86] Jack: To help her get out of the hole
[3901.86] Jack: If you have a job for me
[3903.86] Zoe: If anyone has a job for me, hire my ass
[3905.86] Zoe: I don't want donations, I want to be able to do something
[3908.86] Zoe: That makes my life worth living and makes me
[3910.86] Zoe: So I can actually support my damn self
[3912.86] Jack: Yeah
[3913.86] Zoe: Putting that out there
[3915.86] Zoe: I love the fact you're asking for people to donate
[3918.86] Zoe: And support me on Patreon
[3920.86] Zoe: There's other ways I need support
[3924.23] Zoe: And I want to be able to support myself
[3926.23] Zoe: Yeah
[3928.23] Jack: So if you've got a job to Zoe
[3931.23] Jack: Let us know
[3933.23] Jack: Thank you and goodnight
[3935.23] Zoe: Bye
[3937.23] Jack: Bye
[3938.23] Jack: Telemetry lost