=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 453 ===
Title: LDO 453 - Certified Canadian
Recorded: 2024-05-02
Hosts: Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Koel "Koala" Anderson, Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 894
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7ikXZCyjiI); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1814288436-letsdroneout-ldo-453-certified-canadian.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello, and you're listening to what drone out and special thank you to our lovely patrons that help donate so that we can pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things we say massive thank you to call us campus are folk now Sam Dharma on with the show.
[20.58] Jack: Welcome to let turn out tonight is Thursday. It's the second of May. And we are joined by the man with my star Steven. Good evening, all my buddy, Carl. Howdy. Or should I say professional drone pilot, Carl? Maybe.
[73.92] Jack: And my darling wife, Tony. Oh, sure.
[78.84] Stephen: She's only got to see one. Great school grades cold, then let's compare. And I'm a bright type lawyer. So Cole fighting the regulations, crossing the T's dotting the I's speculating about lowercase J's. How's it going?
[96.8] Koel: It's going it's it's going well. I basically just passed my flight review yesterday for my advanced drone pilot certification in Canada.
[109.76] Jack: Do you still need a bit of time to figure out what you can and can't say?
[114.24] Koel: No, no, I mean, I can't obviously probably say something is meant to flying over government buildings at this point in time. I don't I don't think I've ever
[127.84] Koel: Not outright, obviously, it's just heavily employed. I suppose. I suppose though. I never have flown over government buildings, am I?
[139.08] Jack: I'm trying to get my friend in trouble. Yeah, I'm like, I'm trying to think I don't like Jesus, but we joke about Tony Don Gatwick, but there was
[149.44] Stephen: that one. And if he was doing go, he would have taken him away FPV pilot and he's never flown anywhere without Tripoli signed affidavits from everyone involved. So it's all good.
[161.12] Koel: Well, that's not true either. But yeah, no. But yeah, to set the record, I have not flown over government buildings that I'm aware of. But so we have no secret Canadian bunkers everywhere. What are you going to do?
[177.72] Koel: Well, yeah, true. I guess you can't fly anywhere then. Yeah. But yeah, basically, it was it was a process, man. It's I don't know exactly how it's like for you guys in the UK. I mean, I have I have my basic stuff in UK, but nothing like sort of advanced or anything like that.
[197.16] Koel: But it's it's quite the process. And maybe you guys can chime in and and let me know how it is for you guys. But essentially, there's kind of like three steps to the basically three steps to the equation.
[211.56] Koel: It's first, you have to do your basic exam, which I think it's like 60 or 90 questions. I can't remember the amount of questions.
[221.28] Koel: But it's basically a certain number of questions you have to answer within a certain amount of time. And you need a you know, a certain percentage to pass. I think it's a 70. Let me just double check my let me just know for the basic one.
[241.92] Koel: I'm pretty sure. Oh, sorry. Yeah, for the basic one, it's a 65 percent or higher is like the passing grade for the basic exam. And so I did that back in like 2019, actually, like quite a while ago now I got my basic one, basically just like on the it was just a random thing.
[262.36] Koel: I was like, well, I fly drones. I let's see if I can get a let's see if I can get my basic exam just for the hell of it. It costs like 10 bucks to do. And it's not no sweat off my back. I just want to see if I could get it. Well, I ended up getting it. No problem. First try. So that was cool. And then basically how it works in Canada is you have to basically keep up with your recency every two years.
[288.28] Koel: So you don't have to retake your exam, but you do have to basically do some kind of there's a few different things you can do to, you know, keep up with the recency of it. Basically, it's just like, just check. Yeah. Yeah, you still know. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they did this with computer networking as well. You spend ages trying to get this massive certification for Cisco, one of these huge vendors.
[314.92] Koel: And it's thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours of time. And then you just like re-up it every couple of years and set up like a 15 minute exam to prove that you haven't completely lost it. Yeah. And that's basically what that was. So around 2021, actually, my basic had like expired. I didn't realize or I was about to expire or something. And I didn't realize it. And I also didn't realize that I could just do like a recency course or like a little sort of quick test.
[344.76] Koel: Kind of thing. So I was like, well, screw it. I guess I'll try for my advanced pilot license this time. And again, I just kind of did it on a whim. And then I like failed. I think I got like a 68 or something on it. And for the advanced exam, you have to get an 80% or higher to pass. So that was 2021. And I kind of was like, well, I'm not flying in any like controlled air spaces. I'm not doing any advanced operations that require it for me.
[371.16] Koel: So I still had my I did a recency test so I could still have my basic. But then I just kind of said, well, whatever, like, that's fine. And then, yeah, basically, recently, I was just kind of, I just kind of was like, well, it's been a while. If I do want to do any, you know, work in controlled airspace going forward, maybe I should, you know, have the right
[397.72] Koel: regulate or, you know, sort of try to follow the regulations and make sure I'm doing things properly so I don't get, you know, in trouble, basically. Because there's there's some pretty like hectic finds you can get. And I mean, I'm trying to represent the drone community and the, you know, the quad community as best as I can. I don't want to be doing that's going to get us in more trouble and take our, you know, you know, our sort of like luxuries away, right? So
[427.72] Koel: yeah, so basically, it was like last week, I went and I did the advanced exam for the second time. And well, I got a 68% on it, or sorry, no, sorry, I got a 78% on it, which was I was one question off from getting that 80% threshold, where I was like, damn, it's not a it's not an easy test, man. It's like, it's not just like, so how do you fly a drone? How do you land a drone? It's like, you have to know about airspace, you have to know about
[458.72] Koel: you know, like flight patterns, you have to know about no Tams, which are noticed to airman's about like any, anything to just be aware of. You have to yeah, weather is another thing. You have to know by you have to know basically, like, your, like, your, like, how far away you are from any local aerodromes or heliports or airports.
[484.96] Koel: And basically, aviation type stuff, because realistically, I mean, we are sort of sharing the airspace if you're doing advanced operations, because, you know, you can fly higher, you can fly closer to things you can, you know, all that kind of stuff. So, like I said, it wasn't an easy, it wasn't so in, in Canada, it's actually noticed to airman. But I don't know if it's noticed to airman, but I don't know if it's noticed to airman, but I
[516.56] Koel: don't know if it's noticed to air missions in UK, but in Canada, it's noticed to airman. But, but yeah, so essentially, so I did my, I did the test, I got 78, not 80. So then I had to wait 24 hours to do the test again. And then the next day, at like 10 o'clock at night, I ended up doing the test again, and I actually got 80 this time. So like just, I just passed. So, so I was like, okay, basic exam done. Okay.
[546.56] Koel: Test exam done. So part, like basically two of the three parts were success, successfully completed. But the last portion is a flight review. So it's an actual like in person flight review with a, with a certified flight reviewer through Transport Canada. And basically, I have to go there and I have to prove like that, essentially, that I know how to conduct a safe operation of a drone, essentially.
[574.56] Tony: Did you do it with, did you do that with a FPV drone or did you do it with a DJI Povrit drone?
[582.56] Koel: Yeah. Yeah. I just did it with a DJI drone. Cause honestly, like if I'm going to be doing advanced operations in, in stuff like that, I would say 99 times out of 10, I'll be, I'll be using a DJI drone for that type of stuff. But yeah, so I just, I use a little DJI drone.
[604.56] Koel: And you know what the crazy part is, is like some of the main parts about the flight review aren't even the flying, which, which seems kind of strange.
[614.56] Koel: And I know you did like a, you did like a thing to get your, your certs.
[621.56] Stephen: Yeah, exactly the same with the racing thing. Most of it wasn't, are you a good racer? It was, is it safe to take off?
[630.56] Stephen: Have you looked around you and made sure that you've got space and that you're in an area? Do you know how high you can fly? Do you know if there's any hazards?
[639.56] Stephen: If you've got a system to spot hazards once you take off and all this stuff, just planning for what you're going to be doing and making sure that you know you're going to be able to do it safely. That was probably 80% of it.
[653.56] Koel: Absolutely. Yeah. And, and really that's, that's what it was. That was what it was like for me too. It's basically like, do you know how to properly plan an advanced operation? Really?
[665.56] Koel: It's like, so, so checklists are a huge thing. You know, like pre-flight checklist is like probably like one of the main things really is like, is your equipment up to snuff?
[674.56] Koel: Is like, have you not consumed alcohol or drugs in the last 12 hours or blah, blah, blah, blah? Like there's, I mean, I actually, there's this really good app made by this guy named Don Joyce.
[687.56] Koel: He's on YouTube. It's Don Drones On. It's called the drone pilot Canada app. And it's honestly like a game changer as far as like checklist procedures, emergencies, proximity to heliports, aerodromes, yada, yada.
[703.56] Koel: And all the checklists are basically in this app. You can, you can plan your flights, you can log your flights, you can have all your checklist there. And, and it's, yeah, it's basically really helped me to, to wrap my head around everything I need to do before, after, or in the case of an emergency.
[722.56] Koel: Um, yeah, it's pretty cool though. I mean, the really weird thing that I found about it is that all these pre-flight checklists and, and the sort of like, you know, the, uh, the proper steps to take beforehand is like, we don't even think about it consciously before flying half the time because it's just second nature.
[745.56] Koel: It's like, look at your drone, make sure it's fit to fly, make sure the propellers aren't broken, make sure it's not cracked or whatever. It's like, you, you, you're not pulling out a checklist normally to be like, okay, are propellers fine? Is this fine?
[759.56] Stephen: But like, cause you're going to know before you go fly, if your drone is, you've got to tell the instructor or whoever's examining you, I'm not someone that's just walked out of target with one of these ripped off the shred crap, right?
[772.56] Stephen: You've got to tell them, I know what I'm doing. I'm aware that this can hurt people and I'm going to take steps to make sure that doesn't happen. Exactly. And that's fair.
[782.56] Jack: Yeah. I mean, even if Carl was a person who bought one from Walmart, I think the hoops he had to jump through the steps that he's taken to get to that point defeats the, whether he does, um, whether he does, uh, recreational for FPV or not.
[802.56] Jack: But, um, I do, I do realize that like, Oh crap, we do learn a lot of terms and aviation things via osmosis. Yeah. Because like, yeah, I've never really thought to tell Cole what a no time is.
[819.56] Jack: And, um, you know, and, and, uh, M M O M R I, uh, um, mandatory incident report.
[832.56] Jack: FIRs and stuff. Yeah.
[835.56] Jack: Oh yeah. I can't remember what they're called. Frank, Frank will know. Chris G, if you're listening to this or watching this, he's going to.
[844.56] Stephen: You accidentally like catch yourself with a screwdriver and you have to fill in an accident report. Yeah. Mandatory occurrence report. Yeah.
[855.56] Koel: Yeah. And yeah, here we call them just incident report or whatever. It's, it's, it's just tomato, tomato really. Um, and you know what I actually, in the whole process, what I actually discovered is that.
[870.56] Koel: I would say like a huge portion of anybody that flies drones doesn't know any of this. Like, like, and, and that's fine and dandy. You're like, that's a dumb thing to do, but you don't know the letter of the law necessarily.
[887.56] Koel: Well, exactly. And, and I think that the, the most intimidating part for me, I think of the whole process was like thinking that it was so above my head and so over my like grasp of like knowledge or concepts or whatever,
[899.56] Koel: that, that I wasn't going to be able to, yeah, I didn't think I would be able to actually like to do it. Just, I guess I doubted myself a bit, but when you actually look at what is required, it, it makes perfectly logical sense.
[914.56] Jack: Oh, you will solder this properly, Carl. This is how you do it. Oh, how the tables have turned.
[924.56] Stephen: It's just like, don't be dumb. And you have to check, like, I am not dumb. Are you really sure you're not dumb? And they, and you have to go, yes, I'm really, really sure.
[933.56] Jack: I had years of other people telling him he's dumb, that I had to undo, pick apart.
[939.56] Koel: Well, I mean, this, the thing is too, is like, yeah, it's, it's, it's literally like, don't do anything stupid. If you're going to be flying a drone that's over, you know, 250 grams in controlled airspace, get the proper clearance and let the, let the ATC, let air traffic control know that you're going to be there and, and make sure that you're allowed to be there.
[962.56] Stephen: And again, don't be a dickhead. It's like, it does. Number one, we've said it before we say it flippantly, but that is 90% of it. Like, just don't be an idiot. Don't be on fire. Don't be a dick. Don't be a dick. Yeah.
[976.56] Stephen: So many ways you can be an idiot without setting out to be an idiot. You just end up in that group without, oh, here I am. I got angry. I was in a hurry. Yeah.
[986.56] Stephen: I didn't check something. It's just like a check on all of those inpatiences and annoyances that you have as someone who just wants to get something done. A reminder to you, oh, actually it's pretty dangerous. And, you know, take a breath, slow down, double check.
[1002.56] Koel: What did Frank say here? He says PSA, are you thinking of flying your drone through a crowded school out of sight into an airport? Yeah. Try not doing that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And, and, uh, well, it's funny too, because like I said, like the, the majority of this flight review was, was just like the, the pre-flight checklist, making sure I know how to look up the, um, you know, the phone numbers of, of the heliports or the air traffic controls.
[1033.03] Koel: Air traffic control and, and, and know what class airspace space I'm in and whatnot. And when it comes to like the, the actual practical flying portion of it, it's like, okay, take off and hover. Okay. Do a control check. Make sure forward and backwards and left and right. And yah, whatever is, is, is what it is. Okay. Now fly here, do a little circle, do a little square, do some figure eights. Okay. Can you go around this object? Like, can you, can you prove that you're able to do this?
[1061.03] Jack: Did you, did you ever go, when do I do the foot test? The foot test? I would have loved it. Yeah. I'd like, there's nothing wrong with the foot test. Don't have to power the obstacle. Yeah. With it, with a DJI, uh, quad for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Um, man, it's the way forward. Stephen was horrified by that.
[1087.03] Stephen: I will, well, okay. I was horrified by it too, because the first time that we built a quad together, Jack, you do the foot test and the quad went, yeah, I've taken to really weak, like a DC power supplies instead of putting a light pole on them. So I give them a power supply. That's so weak that if it freaks out, the power supply just drops out and the, nothing happens. Basically, just enough, just enough to,
[1115.03] Stephen: maybe do something and then it'll, yeah, it can like spin the props about half as much power as a desk fan gives you. And any more than that, it just goes boop boop and resets the SC. So I'm like, are they spinning? Are they spinning in the right direction? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, oh, has anyone done a speed run of the practical test? Um, what do they want to admit to doing speed run with practical test? You can't.
[1144.03] Koel: You can't, you can't discuss it. I don't think. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, are there, I mean, for the most part though, like, again, it's, it's straightforward stuff. If you look at, if you do your homework, it's straightforward stuff. And, and I mean, honestly, if, if you are planning to do stuff that's outside of, you know, basic operations, I think it's well worth it to even just get educated, even if you're not, like, like it's, I don't know.
[1173.03] Koel: Did I talk about batteries and sales and charging and stuff like that on that test? No. Oh, oh, like on the, on the actual written test. I mean, maybe more just in the sense of like, if a lipo fire occurs, but nothing to do with like charging or voltage or, yeah.
[1193.4] Jack: I had that online. Redundant. If the lipos don't be on fire.
[1201.4] Koel: Yeah. And I mean, and the whole point of, I guess, having like a fire extinguisher with you in the case of a lipo fire is just to put out anything that's near it, not the actual lipo because that's not going to have you got the container that you can throw.
[1217.4] Jack: Yeah, that's what I told you from Frank. Frank went to the fireman asked, what do I do with a lipo fire? Is there a special fire extinguisher? And they went, no, all the fire extinguishers for is to stop other things being on fire from the lipo.
[1238.4] Jack: That's it. Don't put them in ammo cases because all the ammo cases are designed to do is stop the elements getting to the ammunition. If you've got a lipo in an ammo, sealed ammo box, it can't vent. We've watched them jump from the ceiling back to the floor to the ceiling again.
[1262.4] Jack: Yeah. And hot plasma coming out of whatever orifice it can until it blows and then you've got. So not only is it A on fire, B you then have shrapnel and C whilst all that's happening, it's smashing things as well at the same time.
[1279.4] Jack: So you don't just have a fire and death. It's like bat safe. Get a bat safe box. Frank got two. I got a really massive one because Tony was like, I was charging a battery. It decided to go. It didn't just be on fire. It decided to leap off of where I was charging it.
[1308.4] Jack: And then you try and snip the floor on fire.
[1310.4] Tony: That's exactly why I don't keep any lipos in my house ever. Not gun ones, not anything. The little ones I use for me airsoft. Nope.
[1320.4] Jack: Yeah. So if you try and walk in to Tony's house with lipos, he just screams out.
[1330.4] Koel: Yeah. Lipos are there. They can be scary, man. They can be scary, but they are just wonderful sticks of death of fire and death. And that's why safety is important. Yeah. Definitely. Don't do what I do.
[1351.4] Jack: Just have a little rumble bag full of delicious sounds. You want to make, if you like Frank, Frank said, no, to be fair, I do take them up if you're house insurance and you're watching this.
[1371.4] Jack: But yeah, it's fun. You get really nice, you know, but yeah, be careful. They really do. These are discarded vape batteries and they've got really tiny wires and I was carrying one and they shorted and it burned a really small deep hole into my hand.
[1397.4] Tony: Nice. It's fun when like Dreamliners, the big plane use lipos. They had lots of lipo fires, didn't they? When it first come out. Yeah. The Dreamliner dude. Frank, safety is our number four priority. Legal notice.
[1422.4] Jack: Cole, do you want to read that? Seeing as you are the most qualified out of all of us now, you're going to be telling me what to do.
[1431.4] Koel: Am I the most qualified? Well, no. Tony, you've got A2.
[1437.4] Koel: And Steven, what do you have?
[1440.4] Koel: For what?
[1442.4] Stephen: Like license wise.
[1444.4] Stephen: I've just got the standard casual flying thing and the A2 racing certificate.
[1450.4] Stephen: Oh, okay. Okay. I don't know. I think my A2 runs out in 2025.
[1457.4] Koel: I don't do commercial stuff though. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I guess. Yeah. It's I've always kind of been like bored and yawning at like the whole talks about registration and regulations and all that kind of stuff. I'm always just been like, ah, not this again. Everyone's on the phone.
[1473.4] Koel: Everyone's always talking about this and it's so boring. But and it is kind of boring. I mean, it's it's homework that you literally have to do homework to like and I don't know about you guys, but I've never liked doing homework.
[1488.4] Koel: So like I basically had to force myself into an uncomfortable state on purpose and I had to pay money to be uncomfortable to do homework. So it's like, ah, not homework.
[1500.4] Koel: But I don't know. In a lot of ways, I guess it's, you know, it's better to know than not to know. So that's my kind of thought process on it.
[1509.4] Tony: My class was online and it was during the pandemic. So I didn't have to do any flight thing, but there was a classroom of well, there's about eight of us doing the same test on him.
[1522.4] Tony: So we all sort of met online at a certain time and I hated it. I absolutely hated it.
[1530.4] Koel: Well, it's almost like you're back in high school or something. Yeah, it's like, I literally had to study. I had to go through so many documents like, um, like I have, I literally have like a semi binder, not binder, but like, I think I printed off like just a crap ton of paper just so I could go through everything.
[1551.4] Koel: Make sure I wrap my head around everything. And I don't know. It's weird. It's it's not a bad thing, but it's, uh, it is technically is a good thing. But like I said before, like I've never been a fan of homework, but sometimes you just have to suck it up and, you know, I didn't enjoy doing it at all.
[1574.4] Koel: But I mean, realistically, I mean, the only use for me of it, if I even end up do using it, like it is almost more of like, just, I want to almost prove it to myself that I could get it because it's technically the, um, it's, it's the, it's the most advanced drone pilot since you can get in Canada, other than being a flight reviewer.
[1600.4] Koel: That's kind of like the next, um, kind of progression. Um, I just, if I ever plan on flying in controlled airspace, I want to make sure that I'm doing it properly and that I don't get myself in trouble. That's really what it is.
[1615.4] Koel: Cause you know, it's one thing to, to do, it's one thing to do like a DJI unlock, but a lot of times if you're in controlled airspace, you actually need to get a specific code from the, from the, you know, the regulatory bodies that are, you know, kind of working with, um, with it.
[1634.4] Koel: So it's like to get a DJI unlock code, you have to get a code from nav drone or nav Canada essentially to say, okay, yeah, you are, you are able to fly in here. So punch this code in and you're good to go.
[1646.4] Koel: So if that ever happens, I'll, I now know what the steps are to take to do that. So yeah,
[1657.4] Koel: you might be easy for your photographer, you know? Yeah. Well, that's what I was thinking is like, you know, I don't always know where, um, where I'm going to be doing a shoot or whatnot.
[1668.4] Koel: But if, if there's a shoot and they're like, Hey, you want it, can you fly a drone? And I always say, well, most likely I know what to do now. So yeah.
[1678.4] Koel: Although technically like I didn't, I didn't do it so I can like, okay, now I'm going to take on a bunch of drone jobs or anything like that. It was just kind of like a, it was mostly a test for myself. Honestly.
[1689.4] Koel: I'm just like, I want to see if I have half a brain cell or, I mean, if I have the brain capacity to, to, to get it, you know, because I don't think everybody does.
[1702.4] Koel: I don't, cause if everybody did have it, then everybody would have it. So, um, there was a statistic actually where like only a certain percentage of all drones that are registered and drone pilots that are registered in Canada actually have the advanced drone license.
[1719.4] Koel: So, I don't know. I guess it's kind of, you should take advantage of it and use it, mate. I know. Well, yeah, I gotta see. I gotta see what I can do, but yeah, it's is what it is. I guess I have it now. So see what happens. Yeah.
[1736.84] Koel: And some Mooney. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be pretty cool.
[1745.48] Koel: I actually, I have a buddy of mine who he basically is like, he's a like big wig in, uh, in like basically the film industry in Canada for, for as a drone operator.
[1757.48] Koel: And actually another reason why, um, why I got it kind of was like, he hit me up the one day and he was like, um, he's like, Hey man, like, do you have your advanced license and what drone do you have and whatever?
[1772.48] Koel: Cause I think sometimes he might want like, you know, a secondary person with him or whatever. Um, and I was like, man, like, I don't have that stuff, but I probably should have that stuff. So why not? Yeah.
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[1814.48] Tony: Well, I had, um, someone contacted me, one of our, one of our viewers and said, they send me a trellis if I need it. So I thank you very much. She's in the chat tonight. G, I think that's the one. Yeah.
[1832.48] Koel: That's lovely. That's nice. Yeah.
[1837.48] Stephen: So were you, uh, we take, make sure you take the battery out of it and flash it with metal hydrides because this is 1984 and it's the best way to charge them.
[1855.48] Tony: But I'm going to test mine the weekend.
[1858.48] Stephen: You could fly on nickel metal hydrides as well for more safety.
[1863.48] Stephen: You could fly technically.
[1867.48] Tony: Will it take off?
[1868.48] Stephen: Yeah, just about. Just need a lot of them. You're probably not going to be doing a lot of power loops.
[1873.48] Stephen: What about tethered? That would be safer. Yeah. If you just spin it around and let the dog chase it.
[1881.48] Tony: She don't chase it.
[1882.48] Jack: I came across this April 30th, 2018. Wanksop is on its hook ready for Thursday.
[1898.48] Tony: We still shouldn't should have made some socks like a line, you know, became very fashionable for some reason, custom socks.
[1907.48] Tony: Yeah. Quite expensive. I still think you should do your pictures on t-shirts, Jacob.
[1916.95] Jack: Oh, yeah. I, weirdly enough, they're still, I think Frank's got his picture on, on his fridge.
[1928.95] Jack: And I signed it, Jack, age four. And I forgot I'd done that. I think that's what he did.
[1936.95] Tony: I think I've got a contract in one of these draws here from you.
[1941.95] Jack: I've got a contract for Simon where he's not allowed to ask me what his switches do on his radio.
[1949.95] Tony: I can't remember what your contract is. I think you have to do something for me.
[1954.95] Jack: You've got one where Danny has to be a footstool for you as well.
[1962.95] Jack: You should have claimed that that would have been funny.
[1969.95] Jack: So this is a story where a mutual friend of ours, we meet for Tony's birthday for a birthday curry.
[1980.95] Jack: And I handed round a birthday card and was like, sign this, sign this.
[1985.95] Jack: And when it came to that person, I slid a bit of paper over the top of it and he signed it.
[1992.95] Jack: And they were like, thank you. Now sign the card and then handed Tony.
[1999.95] Jack: I agreed to whilst Jack's building a quad for Tony, I will be his footstool.
[2007.95] Jack: And that's where there is a contract for that somewhere.
[2013.95] Jack: Which is funny. And then I went, I went to the people left and right and got them to witness it.
[2021.95] Jack: So technically, it's a real thing.
[2028.95] Stephen: Only if he was the implications of the contract when he signed it, unfortunately.
[2034.95] Jack: Yeah, I don't have a mini tricopter. I'd love to buy it back.
[2041.95] Jack: Frank knows who I sold it to.
[2045.95] Jack: But I do I do have a full size tricopter, but it's only got it's got a nice, you know, F1 chip on it.
[2060.95] Stephen: Only people have figured out a way to properly control brushless motors.
[2065.95] Stephen: Then we wouldn't need someone. Maybe one day, maybe one day.
[2072.95] Jack: We can hope.
[2075.95] Jack: It's hard enough making the motor spin.
[2080.95] Stephen: Yeah, it's just never going to happen.
[2081.95] Stephen: I think we're just going to have to get used to that, you know, and just why we're all flying tricopters.
[2090.95] Jack: You know, you can't reverse, you know, like have the transistors offset fire in a certain order to reverse the reaction.
[2104.95] Jack: You have to manually solder the bullet connectors and then rearrange them.
[2110.95] Stephen: And once you've soldered up half a kilo of bullet connectors, you're probably going to need 18 inch props because that's basic.
[2116.95] Stephen: You can't buy batteries with more than three cells. That's just the way it is.
[2120.95] Stephen: Yeah.
[2123.95] Tony: People might be listening to this.
[2129.95] Tony: Yeah.
[2132.95] Tony: Anyway, I want to say thank you.
[2135.95] Jack: If we do end up going to war and I have to be a drone fighter, they get so desperate that they recruit me.
[2147.95] Jack: No, Jack, you're going to be the footstool.
[2149.95] Jack: Be the tricopter of death.
[2151.95] Jack: Like, if I fly squads, then I'm flying.
[2155.95] Jack: The tricopter, they'll probably blow myself up.
[2159.95] Stephen: Guys, there's just one guy left.
[2162.95] Stephen: He's got a multi way.
[2164.95] Jack: I'll be I'll be efficient. I'm using one less motor for the war.
[2169.95] Jack: It just is.
[2171.95] Jack: Well, we shouldn't joke about it.
[2176.95] Jack: Oh, God.
[2178.95] Jack: You crazy.
[2180.95] Jack: Frank, come on the show and talk about the new exciting type of tricopter unless you can't talk about it because the government's listening.
[2193.95] Tony: My back is killing.
[2195.95] Stephen: They often do.
[2197.95] Stephen: Andrew slash Frank has actually seen a special type of hybrid tricopter, which now has actually works.
[2205.95] Stephen: It's like two tricopters joined together.
[2209.95] Jack: We could do that.
[2210.95] Jack: All we need is tape.
[2214.95] Stephen: But the thing is, there has to be two functional tricopters.
[2219.95] Stephen: So I think we're stuck there.
[2222.95] Jack: Frank, we need to make the potato tricopter.
[2227.95] Stephen: You can never fly more than one tricopter at an event at once.
[2232.95] Stephen: It's like the people who have mono skis.
[2234.95] Stephen: You know, you see snowboarders and you see skiers.
[2237.95] Stephen: But if you look out of a ski resort, there's going to be one guy on a mono ski and there's only ever one.
[2244.95] Tony: We've no friends.
[2246.95] Tony: Yeah.
[2250.95] Tony: Sounds like tricopter, Jack.
[2254.64] Tony: We've got a range of friends, isn't you?
[2258.64] Stephen: But yeah, tricopters together.
[2261.64] Stephen: That's the thing.
[2262.64] Stephen: There's only one tricopter.
[2264.64] Stephen: That's just it in the world.
[2266.64] Jack: And it's shared between like a brain cell and an orange cat.
[2271.64] Jack: It's constantly on the move.
[2272.64] Stephen: Curried around the country, around the world even.
[2275.64] Jack: I have come across this as well.
[2279.64] Jack: Do you remember this, Tony?
[2281.64] Jack: You killed it with fire.
[2284.64] Koel: What was that?
[2286.64] Tony: That was me setting light to.
[2292.92] Jack: So I wonder what happened here.
[2294.92] Jack: Race, race, light board.
[2296.92] Jack: Oh, look at the wall.
[2298.92] Tony: Look at that.
[2300.92] Koel: That's pit tune, isn't it?
[2302.92] Stephen: Yeah.
[2303.92] Stephen: That's a complete lack of filtering and indeed flight performance.
[2309.92] Koel: Yeah, I'm pretty lucky.
[2311.92] Koel: I've never seen a drone fly like that before in my goggles.
[2316.92] Tony: That field now is a massive housing estate with a school.
[2323.92] Jack: Tony would know he came around outside the school.
[2329.92] Jack: Not after the kids.
[2331.92] Jack: He's like, I'll have a goat, any milfs or teachers.
[2338.92] Koel: Beta flight.
[2339.92] Koel: Okay.
[2342.29] UNKNOWN: Oh.
[2343.29] Jack: But that is only a fair test if he removed just the flight controller and used the same
[2349.29] Jack: frame motors and props.
[2352.29] Koel: Wow, look at that.
[2354.29] Koel: That's a real flying quad right there.
[2356.29] Koel: A night and day, isn't it?
[2358.29] Koel: What date is this?
[2359.29] Stephen: I can't see much of the video there.
[2361.29] Koel: But probably, how many years ago was that?
[2364.29] Koel: 2017 maybe?
[2366.29] Stephen: 2016?
[2367.29] Stephen: Oh, wow.
[2368.29] Stephen: That's a meter flight then.
[2370.29] Tony: I can't believe that.
[2373.29] Tony: Yes.
[2374.29] Tony: I don't think I'll free through that.
[2380.29] Tony: I was waiting for it.
[2382.29] Tony: I can't remember.
[2384.29] Tony: I just know that this whole state is gone.
[2388.29] Tony: That flies.
[2391.29] Koel: So what base flight is because I don't have the history.
[2398.29] Tony: Base flight was the first ever one that I ever put on.
[2403.29] Tony: Was it base flight?
[2404.29] Tony: No, there was one before that I put on.
[2406.29] Tony: Multi-wee.
[2407.29] Tony: No, it wasn't.
[2409.29] Tony: Open toilet.
[2410.29] Tony: Open toilet, it was.
[2411.29] Tony: Open toilet?
[2412.29] Tony: Yeah.
[2413.29] Stephen: Yes.
[2414.29] Stephen: Open toilet.
[2415.29] Stephen: Renamed to LibrePilot and rapidly dropped because it was toilet.
[2421.29] Koel: So what was the actual name you said, sorry?
[2426.29] Koel: Open pilot.
[2427.29] Koel: Open pilot.
[2429.29] Koel: So what was so bad about them though?
[2431.29] Koel: Was it just like the interface or the flight performance?
[2434.29] Koel: Yes.
[2435.29] Jack: Like with OpenPilot, instead of calibrating your, the way they calibrated the ESCs is,
[2454.29] Jack: instead of doing them all at the same time, it done each ESC individually.
[2462.29] Jack: So they weren't calibrated necessarily with the same stick movements.
[2468.29] Jack: It depended on what happened for each one of them.
[2474.29] Stephen: I think with OpenPilot, the goal there was really just to see if you could get a camera in the air.
[2480.29] Stephen: True.
[2481.29] Stephen: It really didn't set out to do much more than that.
[2483.29] Stephen: And of course, people tried to do acrobatic flying with it and you'd smash right up against the limitations.
[2489.29] Jack: Yeah.
[2492.7] Jack: Hang on.
[2495.7] Jack: Let's go to YouTube and hopefully.
[2498.7] Tony: Then I think it was base flight and then it was Dom's clean flight and beta.
[2508.7] Tony: And then going between beta and clean and that was it really.
[2514.7] Jack: Yeah.
[2516.7] Jack: Hopefully we won't get copyright strikes.
[2518.7] Jack: It'll be hilarious if Painless did that.
[2523.7] Jack: But this is what quads used to look like.
[2527.7] Jack: Yeah.
[2529.7] Jack: I know that looks like a house brick that's been covered in carbon fiber, but it's not.
[2535.7] Jack: That is actually a road.
[2537.7] Jack: That's our way through.
[2539.7] Jack: Not Penis.
[2541.7] Tony: We all know that.
[2543.7] Tony: Everyone's watch bottom.
[2545.7] Jack: Yeah.
[2546.7] Jack: Sorry.
[2547.7] Jack: I need to show you bottom.
[2549.7] Tony: It doesn't look like that, please.
[2555.7] Jack: Yeah.
[2557.7] Jack: You can actually email that to me.
[2560.7] Jack: That would be much appreciated.
[2562.7] Jack: So this is OpenPilot.
[2563.7] Jack: You downloaded it.
[2566.7] Stephen: House bricks?
[2567.7] Stephen: Did someone say house bricks?
[2569.7] Koel: Yeah.
[2570.7] Koel: It looks like an alien kind of, right?
[2572.7] Stephen: No, it doesn't.
[2574.7] Koel: That's a house brick.
[2576.7] Stephen: Looks like as tall as an alien.
[2578.7] Stephen: There's like two inches between the bottom and top plates.
[2582.7] Jack: The difference is with the alien.
[2586.7] Jack: The arms are like two mil thick.
[2589.7] Jack: Yeah.
[2590.7] Jack: The arms are thicker on the alien.
[2593.7] Jack: These are literally two mil carbon arms.
[2597.7] Jack: These are around like one of those flexible rulers.
[2600.7] Stephen: This is a five inch quad and the arms are as thick top to bottom as my two inch quads are.
[2608.7] Stephen: But that was active.
[2610.7] Stephen: You've got a 2205 motor here rattling a piece of carbon that these days would only have like 1204 motron.
[2620.7] Stephen: Oh.
[2621.7] Tony: And it'd have a bigger aerial and tail than that as well.
[2625.7] Tony: Yeah.
[2626.7] Jack: Yeah.
[2627.7] Jack: If this was a sexual encounter, the term fubbing it in would be...
[2634.7] Tony: Everything was bigger back then as well.
[2636.7] Jack: That's what she said.
[2637.7] Jack: That connector is a Dean's connection.
[2640.7] Jack: Oh yeah.
[2641.7] Jack: That's weird.
[2642.7] Jack: That looks so weird.
[2643.7] Jack: Yeah.
[2644.7] Jack: It's not even an XT60.
[2645.7] Jack: That's a Dean's connector, which means that if you then later on continued using them,
[2652.7] Jack: you could pull so much current.
[2654.7] Jack: Yes.
[2655.7] Jack: That they were fused together and you could then no longer unplug them.
[2661.7] Koel: So they were just bad connector.
[2664.7] Stephen: They're simple spring loaded plates, the Dean's connectors.
[2668.7] Stephen: They're not a great design.
[2671.7] Jack: Me.
[2672.7] Jack: Yeah.
[2673.7] Jack: And the plastic is literally one step away from a derelict slice.
[2678.7] Stephen: You get them on cheap cars still.
[2680.7] Stephen: And the first thing I do is just desolder them and put an XT60 on there.
[2685.7] Stephen: I think they've got probably...
[2687.7] Stephen: If they work correctly, they should carry as much current as an XT60,
[2692.7] Stephen: but mechanically, they're never the nearest robust.
[2695.7] Stephen: They've got a decent amount of contact area and the pin is quite chunky.
[2699.7] Stephen: It's just that mechanically, they're dog shit and they rattle apart and they come unplugged.
[2704.7] Stephen: Yeah.
[2705.7] Stephen: Weird.
[2706.7] Koel: And why are they named Deans?
[2708.7] Koel: Any idea what that is or who Dean is?
[2710.7] Koel: Who Dean is?
[2711.7] Koel: Oh, I know.
[2713.7] Jack: All I do is I cut them off and then throw them at either Tony or Andy RC,
[2718.7] Jack: whoever's in my presence.
[2720.7] Jack: That is a spectrum satellite receiver.
[2724.7] Jack: You can't bind a normal spectrum.
[2729.7] Jack: Well, technically, it's not.
[2731.7] Jack: Actually, it's an orange RX, which is a third party,
[2734.7] Jack: but it's based on the spectrum satellite receiver.
[2737.7] Jack: And the normal satellite receiver,
[2740.7] Jack: you had to plug it into another receiver in order to bind to it
[2744.7] Jack: and then you could unplug it and use it on its own.
[2747.7] Jack: But yeah, that's an orange RX,
[2750.7] Jack: which is basically the same third party made by Hobbyking.
[2755.7] Stephen: Back in the days when you were wondering,
[2757.7] Stephen: is that an extra battery or is that receiver?
[2759.7] Stephen: Because they were not the same size.
[2761.7] Tony: They were all the same size.
[2763.7] Jack: And the antennas were the average penis size
[2768.7] Jack: for someone suffering from micropenis.
[2772.7] Jack: The wire and connector, there's no TX and RX.
[2779.7] Jack: It's not digital.
[2781.7] Jack: They're PWM.
[2783.7] Koel: What are those plugs on the end of that?
[2785.7] Jack: Those plugs?
[2786.7] Tony: Yeah, that goes onto your floor controller, mate.
[2789.7] Koel: Oh, I thought that was just like electrical tape receiver.
[2793.7] Koel: No, the receiver.
[2795.7] Stephen: Yeah, PWM, PWM out to the motors, PWM everywhere.
[2801.7] Stephen: It takes an H, which is the response to anything.
[2805.7] Stephen: Yeah.
[2806.7] Stephen: Yeah.
[2807.7] Jack: Instead of...
[2808.7] Jack: You'll see the painless there.
[2811.7] Jack: Instead of cutting the ESC wires down,
[2815.7] Jack: he's folded them on itself and then cable tied.
[2819.7] Jack: That is quite a neat job.
[2822.7] Jack: That is why the gap between the bottom plate
[2826.7] Tony: and the top plate used to be so big.
[2829.7] Tony: I think it fit all that crap in.
[2832.7] Tony: In the camera, I guess, too, right?
[2834.7] Koel: Because the big camera is back in the day.
[2836.7] Koel: There's no camera on this.
[2838.7] Koel: What?
[2839.7] Stephen: That is camera-less, if you look.
[2841.7] Stephen: Yeah, let's pick your new camera.
[2843.7] Stephen: And there is no VTX on the back either.
[2845.7] Stephen: So this is just for line of say, though.
[2847.7] Koel: Yeah, this thing flew so badly,
[2849.7] Jack: you don't want a camera on that.
[2852.7] Jack: Unless you want to take a bucket with you every time you go flying.
[2855.7] Stephen: Yeah.
[2856.7] Stephen: If you want the same experience,
[2858.7] Jack: just wear one of those sleeping blindfolds,
[2861.7] Jack: get on your nearest office chair and spin round
[2865.7] Jack: whilst rocking your head side to side,
[2868.7] Jack: singing, I'm a happy teapot.
[2872.7] Jack: Oh, man.
[2873.7] Jack: So believe it or not, the reason why this is so tall
[2876.7] Jack: and wide is the battery isn't actually supposed to go on top.
[2879.7] Jack: It's supposed to go inside.
[2881.7] Jack: Oh, yeah.
[2882.7] Jack: It's supposed to go inside, isn't it?
[2884.7] Jack: The Liuvenir QAV250.
[2889.7] Jack: That was actually, it used to hang out on the back, didn't it?
[2892.7] Jack: Yeah, it used to.
[2893.7] Tony: Yeah, Tony has one.
[2895.7] Tony: Tony, would you like to go get it?
[2897.7] Jack: I don't know where it is.
[2899.7] Tony: It's in your display case on the middle shelf.
[2902.7] Jack: That's me.
[2903.7] Jack: SPV says that Deans has a patent.
[2906.7] Koel: T60 is free.
[2907.7] Koel: That's why Deans isn't as common anymore, I guess.
[2911.7] Koel: Well, good thing too, because it's toilet.
[2914.7] Jack: For a start, SPV, if you don't want to get timed out,
[2919.7] Jack: that's zero's job.
[2921.7] Jack: I'm drinking.
[2922.7] Jack: Thank you for that.
[2923.7] Jack: Yeah, that wasn't the one I was looking for.
[2925.7] Jack: Zero, you're slacking.
[2927.7] Stephen: QAV250, yeah.
[2929.7] Stephen: I'm just looking at it now.
[2931.7] Stephen: They're still selling these things.
[2933.7] Stephen: Holy bro, you still sell a QAV250 kit.
[2938.7] Stephen: Yeah, no one wants it.
[2941.7] Jack: It then changed to a open source thing,
[2946.7] Jack: and it changed to Libra violet.
[2948.7] Jack: So if you do want to fly it, you can fly it on that.
[2952.7] Jack: There is a list of links.
[2955.7] Jack: Quick question.
[2956.7] Stephen: What do you think the current going rate is for a QAV250
[2961.7] Stephen: with some 2207 motors, five-inch props that they promise
[2968.7] Stephen: are made of plastics.
[2969.7] Stephen: You know they're the good ones, and an FPV kit,
[2974.7] Stephen: including an OSD.
[2976.7] Stephen: 1200 pounds.
[2979.7] Stephen: No, lower.
[2982.7] Stephen: 800 pounds.
[2984.7] Stephen: No, it's actually quite reasonably priced.
[2987.7] Stephen: They're going for $480.
[2992.24] Stephen: Oh, so the cost of a binding fly.
[2996.24] Koel: Yeah, but for the cost of a cutting-edge binding fly
[2999.24] Stephen: from say iFlight or something like that,
[3001.24] Stephen: you could have a piece of history with a video antenna
[3005.24] Stephen: that is quite seriously phallic.
[3011.24] Stephen: Well, actually, I was just watching.
[3013.24] Koel: I don't know if you guys caught Curry's newest video,
[3016.24] Koel: where he's been dealing with, well,
[3020.24] Koel: he was trying to figure out the better,
[3022.24] Koel: trying to get better range out of his walksnail goggles,
[3025.24] Koel: I guess.
[3026.24] Koel: Well, I guess antennas play a huge role in that
[3032.24] Koel: because he's sat on some Menace RC antennas on it,
[3035.24] Koel: and he's got a lot of things to do with it.
[3038.24] Koel: He's got RC antennas on it,
[3040.24] Koel: and basically got almost no break-up.
[3043.24] Koel: So that's pretty cool.
[3045.24] Jack: If you're watching this video,
[3047.24] Jack: I'm playing a 360 titled
[3050.24] Jack: CC3D flight controller,
[3052.24] Jack: radio setup, firmware, install and testing.
[3055.24] Jack: You'll notice that there's a folder on Lee's desktop
[3060.24] Jack: that says multi-way.
[3061.24] Jack: Please use that for the love of God.
[3065.24] Jack: So here is the open pilot.
[3069.24] Jack: Look at that with the graphics.
[3071.24] Jack: Wow.
[3074.24] Tony: Playing.
[3075.24] Koel: I like how the airplane goes past the logo.
[3078.24] Jack: It equals wizard.
[3080.24] Jack: Yeah.
[3081.24] Jack: Yeah, so we end up calling it open toilet.
[3085.24] Jack: So here we will have the welcome to the open pilot setup wizard,
[3092.24] Jack: and instead of clippy the paperclip,
[3094.24] Jack: you've got a demented app
[3096.24] Jack: that looks like it's been drawn by someone
[3099.24] Jack: experimenting on illicit bugs
[3103.24] Jack: with a wizard hat on.
[3106.24] Jack: Always the sign of quality.
[3108.24] Stephen: Giant upgrade button.
[3116.24] Jack: The upgrade button is the biggest stretch
[3120.24] Jack: whether it is really an upgrade.
[3124.24] Jack: You could flash Peter flight to a CC3D,
[3130.24] Jack: but you have less features because there's not enough room
[3133.24] Jack: because the boot load is taking stuff up.
[3136.24] Jack: PWM, each cable holds a signal
[3140.24] Jack: for each flight mode and switch.
[3143.24] Jack: PPM.
[3145.24] Koel: Man, this whole, this software just scares me.
[3153.64] Stephen: It was pretty like standard for the time.
[3158.64] Stephen: Software interfaces were absent.
[3161.64] Stephen: The one thing that mobile phones did
[3163.64] Stephen: when everyone had a phone in their pocket
[3165.64] Stephen: was people had to actually consider
[3167.64] Stephen: how to write software interfaces.
[3169.64] Stephen: Until that point, it was just a programmer
[3171.64] Stephen: throwing a bunch of text on screen
[3173.64] Stephen: with some check boxes, and if you were lucky,
[3175.64] Stephen: he drew like a crappy little cartoon diagram at the same time.
[3179.64] Stephen: That was as far as it went.
[3182.64] Jack: If you noticed, helicopters grayed out.
[3186.64] Jack: They don't trust this software to helicopters.
[3189.64] Jack: Helicopters are so wild that it's just not safe.
[3193.64] Koel: Why did they even put the picture on it in the first place?
[3196.64] Koel: Why did they even include that if it's not?
[3198.64] Jack: Hopes and dreams, mate.
[3200.64] Jack: If you throw enough poo at the wall,
[3202.64] Jack: hopefully the developers might get around to cleaning it.
[3205.64] Stephen: I've been hearing some interesting stuff from Rotaflight.
[3208.64] Stephen: That seems to be getting a bit of a cult following
[3210.64] Stephen: and the heli guys.
[3211.64] Stephen: Really?
[3212.64] Jack: Yeah, we might need to talk to those guys.
[3214.64] Jack: Here we have the standard ESCs.
[3216.64] Stephen: They're led by a mysterious character called Dr. Rudder,
[3219.64] Stephen: which I thought might be someone that Jack would like to talk to.
[3223.64] Tony: It's definitely not Jack.
[3225.64] Jack: I don't know.
[3226.64] Jack: If he was called Dr. Rudder, then definitely.
[3229.64] Jack: I don't know what I was short for.
[3231.64] Jack: He doesn't give a first name.
[3233.64] Jack: Yeah.
[3234.64] Jack: And then the rapid ESCs are only 490 hertz.
[3240.64] Jack: Yeah.
[3241.64] Jack: So once you select that, you plug it in.
[3245.64] Jack: You wire it up.
[3246.64] Jack: It gives you a little dialog box with a diagram.
[3251.64] Jack: And then you connect your batteries.
[3256.64] Jack: I have removed all propellers from all the motors of my vehicle.
[3262.64] Jack: The vehicle is not powered by any external power source but USB.
[3268.64] Jack: And I confirm that I have read and understood all the instructions in full.
[3274.64] Jack: And the steps are confirm all safety questions,
[3278.64] Jack: press stop and it becomes a native board.
[3281.64] Jack: Battery not connected.
[3283.64] Jack: Connect the battery to your airframe.
[3286.64] Jack: Wait for the ESC calibration beeps.
[3288.64] Jack: Press the stop button.
[3290.64] Jack: Wait for the ESC beeps and then disconnect the battery.
[3294.64] Jack: Now what would happen is if this went wrong,
[3299.64] Jack: it was like trying, if you left the props on,
[3304.64] Jack: it would go full throttle into your face and trying to disarm this thing
[3310.64] Jack: or stop it was like trying to beat a wild animal to death
[3316.64] Jack: that's trying to attack and kill you with what I can only describe as a soggy newspaper.
[3323.64] Jack: It's happened once to me.
[3326.64] Jack: I still had four dents in my ceiling where the motors just hit.
[3334.64] Jack: And it was just, it was carnage.
[3339.64] Tony: That was a good old days.
[3341.64] Tony: You're lucky.
[3343.64] Jack: I know, yeah.
[3344.64] Jack: It was like, you just didn't know whether you were going to have a penis
[3348.64] Jack: by the end of this procedure.
[3350.64] Stephen: I'm quite happy that we live in a world where you can indulge in this hobby
[3354.64] Stephen: without buying like two oyster-shucking gloves and a cod piece before you start.
[3360.64] Jack: Yeah, you balk at the foot test.
[3364.64] Jack: This was like Russian roulette with knives where the gun isn't enough.
[3373.64] Koel: This is why I'm just happy that I've always flown what I've flown.
[3377.64] Koel: Never had any issues like this.
[3380.64] Jack: It assumes you're flying in mode two.
[3383.64] Jack: You tell it what mode.
[3384.64] Jack: It doesn't read the signals to be like, this is what you've got.
[3389.64] Jack: You set your switches into certain positions and you've got a slider.
[3394.64] Jack: It's horrendous.
[3396.64] Jack: Yeah, the ESC calibration.
[3399.64] Koel: Oh, wait, wait.
[3400.64] Koel: The flight footage.
[3401.64] Koel: The flight footage, Jack.
[3402.64] Jack: Yeah, I noticed.
[3404.64] Jack: I'm sorry.
[3405.64] Jack: But yeah, Lee Lee's a maverick.
[3411.05] Jack: I have not putting the battery inside.
[3416.05] Jack: He's a wild.
[3417.05] Jack: I found the I found the old Lumineer.
[3421.05] Tony: Hang on.
[3427.05] Koel: Wow.
[3428.05] Koel: I mean, that's pretty stable.
[3430.05] Koel: Looks all right.
[3432.05] Koel: Yep.
[3433.05] Koel: Wow.
[3434.05] Koel: Oh, that's a chunky boy.
[3436.05] Tony: Look at the Simon.
[3438.05] Tony: He is under there.
[3440.05] Koel: Wow.
[3441.05] Koel: That's a thick boy.
[3443.05] Tony: Look at this.
[3445.05] Koel: Oh, yeah, that's way bigger than an alien.
[3447.05] Koel: That's way wider.
[3449.05] Tony: Oh, my God.
[3450.05] Tony: Look at all that strapped up in there and everything.
[3453.05] Tony: Wow.
[3454.05] Tony: And what?
[3455.05] Tony: And I think I had a little bit of two on my camera.
[3458.05] Tony: Tiny bit.
[3459.05] Tony: A little bit.
[3460.05] Koel: Yeah.
[3461.05] Tony: Yeah.
[3462.05] Tony: It's a bit dusty.
[3466.05] Koel: But the question is, would you ever fly it again?
[3469.05] Tony: I think I want to do it.
[3470.05] Tony: Oh, I think I want to fly it.
[3472.05] Tony: Look at those props.
[3474.05] Koel: Yeah.
[3476.05] Tony: These are, I can't...
[3477.05] Tony: Bull nose.
[3478.05] Tony: HQ.
[3479.05] Tony: Are these HQ?
[3480.05] Tony: B-A-L.
[3481.05] Tony: Dow, am I?
[3483.05] Tony: Well, they might be Dow ones.
[3485.05] Tony: I remember they come onto the scene and they were very hard to play.
[3488.05] Stephen: Can you still connect that to a radio, though?
[3490.05] Tony: You still have to...
[3492.05] Tony: I don't know.
[3495.05] Jack: In theory, yes.
[3498.05] Jack: Because in there is a D4R2.
[3505.05] Tony: There is a D4R2 in there, actually.
[3508.05] Koel: I love the front of it.
[3509.05] Koel: It looks like an insect with the...
[3512.05] Koel: The antenna.
[3513.05] Jack: Yeah, the bunny ears, as we used to call them.
[3516.05] Koel: And that's for the receiver, obviously, I'm guessing.
[3518.05] Stephen: Yeah.
[3519.05] Stephen: They might get sucked down into the props.
[3522.05] Stephen: Put the battery in there.
[3523.05] Stephen: Not with the amount of thrust that thing's breathing in.
[3525.05] Jack: And then, of course, the battery would carry on through inertia.
[3529.05] Jack: We would put the...
[3530.05] Tony: Yeah, we would go straight into the flight controller.
[3533.05] Tony: Perfect design.
[3534.05] Stephen: Perfect design.
[3535.05] Tony: Stabbed with the pins.
[3537.05] Tony: Well, I think it was...
[3538.05] Tony: It was put the battery near, and if you put your GoPro on the front,
[3541.05] Tony: it used to balance it out.
[3543.05] Tony: I think that was why they did that.
[3545.05] Tony: Wow.
[3546.05] Tony: Yeah, it used to whack into the flight controller and smash everything out.
[3550.05] Jack: It got worse.
[3552.05] Jack: Hang on.
[3553.05] Jack: Let me show you.
[3555.05] Jack: I would like to fly that again, wouldn't I?
[3557.05] Tony: Just...
[3558.05] Tony: We should do a video on it or something, Jack.
[3560.05] Tony: One day.
[3561.05] Tony: Hang on.
[3562.05] Jack: What is it?
[3563.05] Jack: The QAV250 arm...
[3571.05] Jack: It used to buy them.
[3573.05] Tony: It was all on one plate, wasn't it?
[3575.05] Tony: You have to buy them.
[3578.26] Jack: Straight-arming stations.
[3580.26] Jack: Does it show it?
[3585.18] Jack: No.
[3586.18] Jack: I think we might have to search Google for it.
[3589.18] Jack: I did get them once.
[3591.18] Jack: Look.
[3592.18] Jack: Yeah.
[3593.18] Koel: Look at this.
[3594.18] Koel: Arm extensions?
[3595.18] Koel: What?
[3596.18] Koel: Yeah.
[3597.18] Koel: Yeah, mate.
[3598.18] Koel: You mean like resonant frequency extensions?
[3600.18] Koel: Yeah, basically.
[3602.18] Koel: Yeah.
[3603.18] Tony: It was a...
[3604.18] Tony: It was a thing about one.
[3607.18] Jack: There you go.
[3609.18] Jack: So you can run a bigger lab?
[3611.18] UNKNOWN: Yeah.
[3612.18] Jack: Yeah.
[3613.18] Jack: They were machined out of aluminium.
[3618.18] Jack: Hang on.
[3619.18] Jack: Oh, my gosh.
[3620.18] Jack: That must have been horrible.
[3622.18] Jack: Yeah.
[3623.18] Tony: Yeah, it didn't help much.
[3625.18] Jack: Oh, my gosh.
[3626.18] Jack: So this is QAV's website.
[3629.18] Jack: At one point, there was the Fury Power Distribution Board,
[3634.18] Jack: so that would supply power.
[3637.18] Jack: This is a Mobius camera, Carl.
[3642.18] Koel: I remember we talked about that before, Mobius.
[3645.18] Jack: Yeah.
[3646.18] Jack: So these were the angled motor mounts.
[3649.18] Jack: So they were machined out of aluminium,
[3651.18] Jack: and they tilted the motors forward.
[3654.18] Jack: Instead of tilting the whole quad,
[3657.18] Jack: you just kind of pull yourself along.
[3661.18] Koel: So you wouldn't have to...
[3662.18] Koel: Your camera angle would still be flat,
[3664.18] Koel: but you just have your motors like this,
[3667.18] Koel: and that's what...
[3668.18] Koel: You don't have to pitch forward, basically.
[3670.18] Koel: The motors are already pitched forward.
[3672.18] Koel: Wow.
[3674.18] Koel: That's so weird.
[3675.18] Koel: That is so weird.
[3676.18] Tony: I think we should design a quad around that.
[3679.18] Jack: It's SPV, he said,
[3681.18] Jack: and it was great on fixed-wing.
[3683.18] Jack: I got my first CCC 3D board from Australia.
[3688.18] Jack: It had a supporting long-range telemetry module,
[3692.18] Jack: and you could control it from your laptop.
[3694.18] Jack: Wow.
[3695.18] Jack: And that, I believe, was called MavLink.
[3699.18] Jack: Ah.
[3700.18] Jack: That's cool.
[3701.18] Jack: Yeah.
[3704.18] Jack: That's pretty cool.
[3705.18] Jack: I know.
[3707.18] Jack: So...
[3708.18] Jack: Yep.
[3709.18] Jack: Unfortunately, that is all we've got time for.
[3712.18] Jack: Oh, no.
[3713.18] Jack: I hope you enjoyed that trip from memory lane.
[3716.18] Jack: We will do more of that on our Patreon stream.
[3721.18] Jack: We'll be going through old-ass...
[3725.18] Jack: I think the first one,
[3729.18] Jack: we will do a sort of timeline
[3732.18] Jack: of going through the different flight controller software
[3736.18] Jack: and what fork from what,
[3738.18] Jack: and we'll do that as a bonus pod, me and Carl.
[3742.18] Jack: Massive thank you to all our lovely Patreons
[3745.18] Jack: who keep this going
[3747.18] Jack: and makes Frank's life a hell of a lot easier,
[3750.18] Jack: especially with dealing with us.
[3752.18] Jack: And if you're listening to this audibly on iTunes
[3756.18] Jack: or your favorite podcast platform,
[3761.18] Jack: it has been lovingly edited by our Patreons,
[3765.18] Jack: so please consider sponsoring us.
[3768.18] Jack: Being joined by the man with a mustache, Stephen.
[3772.18] Jack: Cheers.
[3773.18] Jack: Bye.
[3774.18] Jack: The fully certified Carl.
[3776.18] Jack: See ya.
[3778.18] Jack: Wifey.
[3780.18] Tony: Thanks, G.
[3781.18] Tony: I will take you up on the transmitter.
[3784.18] Tony: We'll let you know.
[3785.18] Tony: Thank you very much.
[3787.18] Jack: Gypship.
[3788.18] Jack: And I've been bright of life.
[3790.18] Jack: Thank you.
[3791.18] Jack: Good night.
[3792.18] Jack: Good night.
[3793.18] Jack: Bye.
[3794.18] Jack: Bye.
[3795.18] Jack: Bye.
[3796.18] UNKNOWN: Telemetry lost.