=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 468 ===
Title: LDO 468 - 9 YEAR ANNIVERSARY
Recorded: 2024-08-15
Hosts: Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant, Koel "Koala" Anderson, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 1,069
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8jQsQu4i5M); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1898047833-letsdroneout-ldo-468-9-year-anniversary.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello, and you're listening to Let's Drone Out, a special thank you to our lovely patrons
[6.28] Jack: that help donate so that we can pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things
[11.36] Jack: we say.
[13.0] Jack: Massive thank you to…
[14.48] Jack: Carlos Campos!
[16.68] Jack: Art Faulkner.
[18.0] Stephen: Sam Dahmer.
[19.68] Stephen: On with the show.
[20.68] Koel: Hello, I'm a TV cover.
[21.68] Koel: Let's Drone Out now.
[52.06] Frank: Welcome to Let's Drone Out, it's the ninth year.
[55.26] Frank: Hooray!
[56.78] Curry: Woo!
[57.78] Curry: We're meant to be back.
[59.18] Frank: I am your long-running shadowed profit master, Frank.
[63.26] Frank: Joining us this week, we also have everyone's favourite, Kerry Kitten.
[66.94] Frank: Hello!
[68.1] Frank: Man with a moustache, Steven.
[69.94] MULTIPLE: Hello, nine more years.
[73.86] MULTIPLE: Jack Ruddy Cole.
[75.26] MULTIPLE: Howdy.
[76.86] MULTIPLE: And Jack himself.
[78.78] MULTIPLE: I am.
[79.62] MULTIPLE: You made it.
[80.86] MULTIPLE: Light gear, hooray.
[83.7] Jack: I know.
[87.06] Curry: Sorry, if I disappear a lot, you know why.
[90.82] Curry: Just imagine Jack is your Wi-Fi display, but he's just got one bar right now.
[95.9] Curry: This is what percentage we've got of a Jack, but that's better than no Jack, isn't it?
[100.7] Curry: Yeah.
[101.7] Curry: Definitely, definitely.
[102.7] Frank: So, everyone in the chat, stick in how many years you've been listening.
[108.3] Frank: Yeah, yeah.
[110.26] Frank: How many of these nine years have you been following along?
[114.06] Stephen: When was Andy R.C. last on?
[117.97] Frank: That's a good question.
[118.97] Stephen: Like, regularly, because I think I was listening, because I got into his channel, and then I
[123.65] Stephen: came over to Let's Throw Now, so the answer for me is, like, I had it, like, a couple
[129.53] Stephen: of years around Andy R.C., I guess.
[132.01] Jack: Yeah, I think E-Manks are still a thing, and was that just all after the Romans killed
[139.81] Jack: Jesus?
[143.41] Stephen: Who was still using Free Sky, then?
[145.73] Stephen: Everyone was using Free Sky.
[148.41] Stephen: Another day, another fail-safe.
[152.65] Stephen: These days, it's just like, yeah, I'll just go and rip, and like, what's your output power?
[156.93] Stephen: Like, 25 milliwatt.
[158.37] Stephen: Where are you?
[159.37] Stephen: Three fields away behind a brick wall.
[160.97] Stephen: Okay, fine.
[161.97] Stephen: That works.
[162.97] Frank: Don't mind me, I'm just updating all of my receivers.
[167.41] Stephen: Yeah.
[169.41] Stephen: That slowed down recently, like, that was a pain in my side about a year ago, but it's
[174.29] Stephen: been relatively quiet, blissfully quiet, you might say.
[179.37] Koel: In a strange roundabout way, I've actually been sort of tuned in since, like, the very
[185.13] Koel: beginning, because I actually made the theme song for the show, although I actually wasn't
[191.81] Koel: watching it.
[192.81] Koel: I don't even think I was flying drones then.
[193.81] Stephen: That is a bang out, Cole, I have to say, yes.
[197.77] Koel: That's a nine-plus-year-old beat, so hey, if it still holds up today, I guess I did
[202.05] Koel: all right.
[203.05] Stephen: Yeah, definitely.
[204.05] Stephen: It's kicking.
[205.05] Stephen: It's the one bad thing about catching on YouTube, is we don't get that banger intro.
[209.61] Koel: That's right.
[210.61] Koel: Yeah.
[211.61] Koel: How long did it tell you to make, Cole?
[216.06] Koel: Probably like half an hour.
[218.62] Curry: Was this just clips from Gary's band dragged into the timeline and go, there you go, and
[222.58] Curry: I'll just put this Let's Drone Out sample in it?
[225.42] Koel: So believe it or not, no, it was actually just a random beat that I had made that I
[230.18] Koel: think, or it was either K, it was either a random beat that was made, or Jack was like,
[235.86] Koel: Cole, I need an intro kind of thing, and I made it in like, you know, half an hour.
[241.9] Stephen: I think we even have a remix of that somewhere, don't we, with a couple of sound clips chucked
[246.1] Stephen: into it, like Tony saying something.
[248.7] Jack: Yeah.
[249.7] UNKNOWN: Somewhere.
[250.7] Stephen: Wait for the singles to come out with a number of interesting B-sides.
[256.46] Jack: Yeah.
[257.46] Jack: I'd love for Cole to do a remix and do a sort of like DJ set with his cats and smoke machine.
[268.06] Curry: Call out different musical genres and Cole has to do the theme tune in different ways.
[273.42] Koel: All right, next year, it'll be the, for the 10 year, I'll have a jazz intro for us.
[278.86] Stephen: If anyone's interested, you get a dub plate cut and Cole could like perform at old school
[284.78] Stephen: on some decks.
[287.78] Stephen: If Cole even has decks, does anyone even have decks anymore?
[290.3] Stephen: Or do you just see them in museums, blind glass windows?
[292.7] Stephen: I have no idea.
[293.7] Koel: I mean, I have a skateboard deck.
[295.82] Curry: Yeah, have you got a vinyl record player?
[302.22] Stephen: A vinyl record player?
[303.42] Curry: Yes.
[304.42] Curry: Only because I bought it as a sort of wife's present because we found all our old vinyl
[308.5] Curry: in the loft.
[309.9] Curry: And so I was like, would you like to play this?
[312.1] Curry: But once the novelty of actually getting a record out and like wiping it off carefully
[316.58] Curry: and putting it on and not being able to go to the track you want and shout at Spotify
[320.74] Curry: to play what you want, it becomes a bit of a pain in the ass.
[325.54] Stephen: I have a huge amount of crap here.
[328.02] Stephen: I've got a bit of Wildhearts, I've got some Iron Maiden, classic British rock.
[335.3] Stephen: I've got Rolling Stones, Beggars Banquet.
[339.14] Stephen: And I've also got the classic Ghost, seven inches of satanic panic as well.
[347.86] Stephen: All good fun.
[348.94] Koel: You know what's funny about the pre-internet Spotify days?
[353.06] Koel: We actually used to know the names of the songs we listened to.
[356.3] Koel: Now it's like, oh, put on a playlist and oh, that's a cool song.
[360.5] Koel: Oh, I'll never remember the name of that song, but I liked that one that just played.
[365.3] Jack: Have you ever searched the FPV playlists in Spotify?
[371.3] Jack: It's quite interesting.
[373.14] Jack: Was it just like, it's all like, yeah, there's a lot of dubstep.
[378.02] Jack: Kind of where I used to be.
[381.06] Jack: I mean, it's not 2014 anymore.
[384.02] Stephen: For a lot of FPV as it is still 2014, because unfortunately I think dubstep
[389.78] Stephen: syncs up really well to the quite, quite boom style of FPV.
[394.42] Stephen: Because that's what you've got really.
[395.62] Stephen: It's like, go in here, go in there, swooshy swooshy, not doing much.
[399.3] Stephen: Doing a big trick.
[400.9] Stephen: Not doing anything, not doing anything.
[402.9] Stephen: Doing a big trick.
[405.54] Curry: I thought FPV always suited glitch hop in terms of the sort of the movements and the sort of
[413.78] Curry: idea of it.
[414.42] Curry: Although I have seen some ones, I remember Final Glide Oz going on about his friends
[420.26] Curry: did this thing and he's just flying around a tree and he had some really sort of chill
[424.26] Curry: almost classical music and that really worked for it.
[428.5] Curry: But I was surprised that a lot of people can't fly unless they're listening to music.
[433.62] Curry: Which I kind of literally can't take off.
[437.3] Curry: I need to listen to my motors just in case the ones are going,
[440.9] Curry: or something.
[441.94] Curry: I want to hear that noise.
[442.98] Curry: But yeah, I couldn't imagine flying to music.
[445.38] Curry: I sort of make the music feel it afterwards if I wanted to.
[448.66] Curry: But that's where you do loads of cuts and like, that fits now.
[451.54] Stephen: I've never understood people who like FPV goggles and assist on having an earpiece.
[456.42] Stephen: That's one thing I like, I just didn't get.
[459.78] Stephen: They have like a mono earpiece and they don't even buy VTXs that microphones in.
[464.1] Stephen: Like, I guess it helps.
[467.38] Stephen: Some people can't fly without it.
[469.54] Koel: But they want to hear required, right?
[471.14] Koel: Yeah.
[472.02] Curry: Yeah, but it's not like listening to a quad like you would if it flies by.
[477.22] Curry: It's just like, let's put a microphone pretty much next to four massive motors
[483.14] Curry: and blow a fan on it.
[484.98] Curry: That's the noise you've got.
[486.18] Curry: Yeah, it's awful.
[487.3] Stephen: It just feels like someone who says, yeah, let's go out to a club.
[490.26] Stephen: And they spend their entire night with their heads stuck in the base bin.
[493.22] Stephen: It's like missing a point a bit there, surely.
[496.58] Koel: If you ever listen back to like your DVR, your analog DVR, it's not a pleasant sound.
[502.18] Koel: It's not great.
[503.78] Koel: It's good for reference.
[504.66] Stephen: It can make sure you're down to 30% and put some music over it.
[509.06] Stephen: Yeah.
[509.38] Frank: But the thing is, they get a 2.5 millisecond improvement on their response time to something
[516.42] Frank: that it does.
[519.86] Koel: Auditory stimuli.
[523.94] Koel: Yeah, exactly.
[524.74] Frank: Like, your brain can process it quicker than visual stimuli.
[528.1] Frank: So there's like, there's a quicker response time.
[530.34] Stephen: We should be cool about it.
[531.46] Stephen: There's a lot of like, there's a fair amount of neurodiverse people in the crowd.
[534.98] Stephen: And if they find it helps them, then it helps them.
[537.46] Stephen: And that's fine.
[538.1] Jack: Exactly.
[539.06] Jack: Exactly.
[539.62] Jack: The only time I've ever used the microphone thing on a quad was at Hidden Family, where
[546.98] Jack: there was two camps.
[548.58] Jack: And we flew a drone between the camps and would land.
[552.5] Jack: And we could hear them.
[554.18] Jack: And then we could respond by pulsing the buzzer.
[560.34] Jack: Like, one beats BS, two for now.
[564.42] Jack: And then we delivered some biscuits.
[565.86] Jack: And that's all I've done.
[569.46] Jack: They take some digestive biscuits to the bottom of the quad.
[572.74] Jack: And we flew them back.
[573.78] Jack: And I can't remember who I was.
[575.06] Stephen: I do like, playing little tunes on the throttle.
[578.1] Stephen: Does anyone else do this?
[579.46] Stephen: Like, do shaving a haircut.
[584.82] Stephen: Just like, quickly ratchet the throttle up and down to play tunes.
[588.74] Stephen: If you're feeling whims, it won't score about it.
[591.54] Frank: Here we go.
[592.02] Frank: Here's our 10th anniversary plans, then.
[596.58] Frank: We're going to have a band purely formed of drone-based physical synth noises.
[605.62] Stephen: If you could get people to coordinate, that would be pretty cool.
[608.02] Stephen: Like, because you can, obviously, you can hit notes.
[610.26] Stephen: You just have to have a certain throttle value as a certain pitch, isn't it?
[615.3] Curry: We could do that on the desk.
[616.82] Curry: We just have, like, a bunch of motors and props.
[619.46] Curry: Get some Arduino thing to MIDI it all up.
[622.42] Curry: And like, every note is, like, a different pitch on the...
[625.86] Curry: John's definitely got enough radio for that.
[628.82] Stephen: You just need a whole load of bungee cords.
[630.9] Stephen: Tie all the drones down.
[632.74] Stephen: And then, you know, you just, you know, play the throttles.
[637.14] Curry: I've always been interested in doing stupid stuff.
[641.78] Curry: And just, instead of multiple radios, I'd always go one radio, multiple quads,
[646.5] Curry: and just see what happens.
[649.06] Curry: They fly approximately the same.
[651.3] Stephen: We can find multiple quads.
[653.46] Stephen: You've got to get multiple notes.
[654.74] Stephen: You need polyphony, right?
[656.26] Stephen: So you'd need, like, multi-quad polyphony to pull off a complex tune, right?
[660.66] Stephen: So you'd need...
[662.42] Stephen: Unless you're going, like, Nokia old...
[664.1] Stephen: You could do, like, Nokia ringtone, but, you know, you've got to push yourself.
[668.9] Stephen: One radio in each hand, and maybe one in each toe,
[671.38] Stephen: and just try and, like, use four throttles at once.
[674.34] Curry: I feel, if we really wanted to go proper old-school,
[677.78] Curry: we'd go pre-flight controller and manually fly a quad with no...
[683.38] Curry: Nothing, no gyros or that rubbish.
[685.54] Curry: We'd just have four controls that you'd somehow use your feet and hands for,
[689.62] Curry: and both bury the throttle in each motor and fly that way.
[695.46] Stephen: Tony, why is your subscript still le ferret boy?
[699.94] Tony: Because I am a little ferret.
[702.18] Tony: A little ferret boy?
[704.18] Tony: A little ferret boy.
[706.18] Curry: Is that what they call him in airsoft?
[708.18] Curry: I thought it was Jared.
[710.18] Curry: Because he's in people's trousers all the time.
[712.18] Curry: Oh, I thought Jack likes to stuff in Danny's trousers, basically.
[716.18] Koel: I didn't say that, as well.
[718.18] Koel: Yeah, I thought... What happened to Jack Starling Wave?
[722.18] Tony: I forgot the show was on, and it's only nine years, so...
[727.18] Tony: Oh, dear.
[728.18] Tony: Where are you, Jack?
[730.18] Tony: I'm not at home.
[732.18] Tony: Yeah.
[733.18] Stephen: Oh, yeah?
[734.18] Stephen: He's in his secondary recording studio.
[736.18] Jack: He just flips my thing.
[738.18] Jack: Yeah, I'm on my bed.
[740.18] Jack: He's grounded.
[742.18] Stephen: Luckily not in the tertiary recording studio.
[746.18] Tony: He's sitting on his bed.
[748.18] Tony: How is everyone?
[750.18] Tony: Good.
[751.18] Tony: Yeah, thank you.
[752.18] Stephen: Yeah, right.
[753.18] Tony: All good.
[754.18] Stephen: Did we get a vote in the end saying give up and stop doing this?
[759.18] Stephen: No, a couple of death threats, but no vote.
[762.18] Tony: No, all clear.
[765.18] Tony: OK, so we've got to carry on another year, fine.
[768.18] Koel: Yeah, I mean, you're so close.
[770.18] Koel: If you're at nine years, you've got to do at least...
[772.18] Koel: You've got to get to ten.
[773.18] Tony: Might as well, I suppose.
[776.18] Stephen: Just by pure anger.
[778.18] Stephen: Just rage all the way to ten.
[781.18] Stephen: Look at Jack's face.
[782.18] Stephen: He wants this.
[784.18] Curry: Fifty-two more of these.
[786.18] Curry: Keep going for twenty-five and get a silver little anniversary.
[790.18] Curry: Yeah, wristwatch.
[793.18] Koel: Yeah, that is a question.
[794.18] Koel: What does happen at the ten year?
[796.18] Koel: What do we get?
[797.18] Koel: Do we get like a little plaque on the wall?
[799.18] Koel: Do we get a...
[800.18] Stephen: Well, I believe it's traditional in the corporate world
[802.18] Stephen: to get a small piece of plastic with your name etched on it.
[806.18] Stephen: We can probably manage that.
[808.18] Stephen: Yeah.
[809.18] Tony: That's our level.
[812.18] Jack: Jack, you've got some hinting skills.
[815.18] Jack: If Frank designs it, I don't know.
[817.18] Jack: I should probably have a word with Frank.
[819.18] Stephen: I'm going to have to do some CNC soon, Frank.
[823.18] Stephen: Yeah?
[824.18] Stephen: Yeah.
[825.18] Stephen: We have a CNC, and I've got it wired up to...
[828.18] Stephen: It speaks GRBL.
[831.18] Stephen: Do you pronounce that gerbil or gerbil?
[833.18] Stephen: Gerbil.
[834.18] Stephen: I would.
[835.18] Stephen: Okay, that's a little bit more Nazi than I was hoping for, but okay.
[841.18] Stephen: Anyway, I've got it rigged up to a raspberry pie,
[844.18] Stephen: and this CNC JS thing that's like a web server that can speak gerbil
[851.18] Stephen: and takes in all of your model files after they've been converted.
[858.18] Stephen: I think you just convert them to gcode and you upload them there.
[862.18] Stephen: And yeah, I'm not really sure on the optimal way of doing things.
[867.18] Stephen: I'm kind of blundering through a bit.
[870.18] Stephen: Wife wants to create some kind of custom shelving things.
[874.18] Stephen: She's got a big pegboard next to where she works,
[878.18] Stephen: and she wants to make a cup holder that mounts into the pegboard
[882.18] Stephen: that is the shape where a couple slot on it and not slide off.
[886.18] Stephen: So she wants to do some circular indentations and stuff.
[890.18] Stephen: Yeah, and we're trying to source lots of spare bits of work
[893.18] Stephen: because I'm pretty sure it's going to take...
[895.18] Stephen: She thinks it's going to work right first time.
[897.18] Stephen: I've done 3D printing, and I'm pretty sure I'm going to need six or seven attempts.
[901.18] Stephen: Yeah.
[904.18] Frank: You kind of build it up.
[906.18] Frank: You don't go straight for the nice material.
[909.18] Frank: You get a bit of cardboard, try something on that,
[912.18] Frank: and then get a slightly bit of wood and try it on that,
[915.18] Frank: and then you get a nice bit of wood.
[917.18] Stephen: What's your kind of software stack?
[919.18] Stephen: What do you use for your CNC stuff?
[923.18] Frank: CNC, there's...
[925.18] Frank: I haven't done much in a long while.
[927.18] Frank: I think it was called Maker CNC, was what I was using, I think.
[932.18] Frank: There was something like that.
[934.18] Frank: There was like a bit of software.
[936.18] Frank: There was three bits of software that was sort of 2.5D type stuff.
[941.18] Frank: All for laser cutting, I used...
[946.18] Frank: What is it called?
[948.18] Frank: Light.
[950.18] Stephen: Because didn't you have a laser cutter that you were like setting up,
[954.18] Stephen: or what about?
[955.18] Stephen: Or is this big shelved?
[957.18] Stephen: Did that make it some new house?
[960.18] Frank: So, at the office, there's a big laser cutter
[964.18] Frank: that I occasionally play with.
[967.18] Frank: What is that?
[968.18] Jack: It's probably more familiar with Adobe Illustrator.
[974.18] Jack: You can just export as the XF files.
[979.18] Stephen: Yeah, yeah.
[980.18] Stephen: She found some...
[983.18] Stephen: What was it?
[984.18] Stephen: There's a 3D modeling thing that was open source
[987.18] Stephen: that used to be a Google project.
[989.18] Stephen: I'm trying to remember what the hell it was called.
[991.18] Stephen: SketchUp.
[992.18] Stephen: SketchUp, yeah.
[993.18] Stephen: Yeah, you can export from SketchUp and do stuff that way.
[998.18] Frank: You might as well use crackier software.
[1002.18] Frank: I am not a fan of SketchUp for anything.
[1007.18] Frank: But yes, Lightburn is what I use for laser cutting.
[1014.18] Stephen: Yes, sir.
[1015.18] Stephen: Yeah, I've got a little Sainsmart CNC.
[1018.18] Stephen: I chucked a Raspberry Pi on the side of it.
[1020.18] Stephen: I ordered one of their own motor controllers,
[1022.18] Stephen: and I'm like, oh yeah, this is nice.
[1024.18] Stephen: You just put a microSD in, you have model, press go, it's great.
[1028.18] Stephen: Then I realized it was interpreting all of the instructions correctly,
[1032.18] Stephen: except, and this is one small oversight,
[1035.18] Stephen: except for the instruction that stopped the motor.
[1040.18] Stephen: When I could literally program a two-line aisle
[1044.18] Stephen: with start the motor, stop the motor,
[1047.18] Stephen: and it would not do the stop.
[1049.18] Stephen: I'm like, okay, I'll put a pause in.
[1050.18] Stephen: Maybe it's just too soon.
[1051.18] Stephen: No, it didn't work.
[1052.18] Stephen: I put the Raspberry Pi on and send the same program to it,
[1055.18] Stephen: and lo and behold, it stops the motor.
[1058.18] Stephen: That was not a great builder of faith,
[1061.18] Stephen: but I think we have a solution now.
[1063.18] Stephen: Plus, the Pi has a web interface, which is a bit friendly.
[1066.18] Stephen: For a lot of CNC milling,
[1068.18] Frank: the actual router bit is generally not controlled by the CNC system.
[1077.18] Frank: Oh, it is.
[1078.18] Stephen: It absolutely is.
[1079.18] Stephen: There's a straight-up GTO command for stopping the motor,
[1081.18] Stephen: and it was just bloody ignoring it.
[1084.18] Frank: In most home CNC-type things,
[1088.18] Frank: you just get a router and you stick it on the gantry
[1093.18] Frank: and you set it going,
[1094.18] Frank: and then it starts doing its X, Y, Z,
[1098.18] Frank: but the actual motor is generally just running all the time
[1101.18] Frank: and you don't worry about it.
[1103.18] Jack: There, but hold your piece.
[1105.18] Jack: Exactly.
[1106.18] Jack: I don't know.
[1107.18] Jack: There's something about me.
[1108.18] Jack: Hold your piece and it fires across the room.
[1110.18] Stephen: Yeah.
[1112.18] Stephen: If I'm going to leave this running for like 12 hours
[1115.18] Stephen: and not be able to stand over it every minute,
[1118.18] Stephen: I'd quite like for it to stop spinning the little death blade.
[1122.18] Frank: Yeah.
[1123.18] Frank: That was the main thing.
[1124.18] Frank: I've never used a CNC for that long.
[1127.18] Frank: I've never used a CNC machine running overnight.
[1132.18] Frank: I don't know.
[1134.18] Frank: I wouldn't leave it unattended.
[1136.18] Frank: Wood burns a lot.
[1139.18] Frank: Yeah.
[1140.18] Frank: It's all dust.
[1141.18] Frank: It's going to be in shed, but even so here.
[1144.18] Frank: Router bits get very hot.
[1147.18] Stephen: This is going to be an interesting learning experience.
[1150.18] Stephen: Lovely.
[1151.18] Stephen: Speaking of getting very hot and burning,
[1154.18] Stephen: I recently received an Amazon notification
[1157.18] Stephen: that my charger,
[1158.18] Stephen: which I've been using for the last five years,
[1160.18] Stephen: was a death trap, which is nice.
[1166.18] Stephen: I had an HDRC Duo C24C probably reviewed years ago
[1170.18] Stephen: by a lot of people here.
[1173.18] Stephen: And it's been working fine,
[1174.18] Stephen: but I got this Amazon recall notification saying
[1177.18] Stephen: that there's been like 32 reports of things catching fire.
[1181.18] Stephen: So I'm now the proud owner of something that I completely can't remember.
[1187.18] Stephen: It's like a D6 Pro HOTA.
[1189.18] Stephen: I think it's a HOTA one.
[1190.18] Jack: Yep.
[1191.18] Stephen: Yeah.
[1192.18] Stephen: So word of warning.
[1193.18] Stephen: If anyone has the HDRC C240 Duo,
[1196.18] Stephen: apparently people in the US have deemed it a death trap.
[1202.18] Stephen: Probably because people plugged in batteries the wrong way,
[1205.18] Stephen: because it came with banana plugs,
[1207.18] Stephen: like 4mm split plugs instead of an XT60.
[1210.18] Stephen: But even so, apparently it's dangerous.
[1213.18] Tony: Has anyone seen the new Bard World quad?
[1219.58] Tony: Well, I don't think it's Bard World's,
[1220.58] Tony: but he done a little video on it.
[1223.58] Tony: Is it with the O3?
[1226.58] Stephen: Yeah, I saw that last night actually.
[1228.58] Stephen: I thought it was quite an interesting take.
[1229.58] Stephen: I didn't see it.
[1230.58] Stephen: Flywoo.
[1231.58] Tony: Yeah.
[1232.58] Tony: It looks very nice.
[1233.58] Tony: Carbon frame.
[1235.58] Stephen: Yeah, instead of plastic frame.
[1237.58] Stephen: Oh, a little tiny one.
[1238.58] Stephen: Yeah.
[1239.58] Stephen: The first one, surprisingly,
[1241.58] Stephen: the first one to come out with like a naked O3,
[1244.58] Stephen: even though these things are running like 1102 or 1103 motors,
[1249.58] Stephen: they're running like fully cased O3 units,
[1252.58] Stephen: which is like 25 grams of metal.
[1255.58] Stephen: Seems a bit nuts,
[1256.58] Stephen: but apparently Flywoo was the first one to sell it decased from the factory.
[1262.58] Tony: It looks good.
[1263.58] Tony: It looks like something that might get me back into a bit of flying,
[1268.58] Tony: but that means buying O3 goggles as well, doesn't it?
[1271.58] Stephen: No, you get the V2s, mate.
[1273.58] Stephen: I've literally been flying this week with a naked O3
[1277.58] Stephen: on like a little 3.5 inch with V2s.
[1281.58] Stephen: And you get the best experience with the V2s.
[1283.58] Stephen: They do 120 hertz.
[1285.58] Stephen: The fancy OLED ones max out at 100 FPS,
[1288.58] Stephen: and then you have to...
[1290.58] Stephen: It's this stupid like you have to get this giant chart of frame rates.
[1294.58] Stephen: Like MadsTech has an entire grid that says you want to run out
[1298.58] Stephen: and you want to record out.
[1300.58] Stephen: Basically, if you haven't got the V2s,
[1302.58] Stephen: you've got to record at like 2.7K instead of 4K.
[1306.58] Stephen: Otherwise, you can't get a high frame rate.
[1308.58] Stephen: It's just a pain.
[1311.58] Tony: Do you mean high frame rates all the time?
[1314.58] Stephen: You might as well capture everything and figure it out later.
[1318.58] Stephen: I don't know.
[1319.58] Stephen: I mean...
[1320.58] Stephen: I only want to record it late.
[1322.58] Tony: Well, only if you want to slow stuff down.
[1324.58] Tony: Otherwise, cinematic stuff, I would still record at 24.
[1328.58] Stephen: So if you record at 24 with the O3, you view at 24.
[1333.58] Stephen: That's the problem, right?
[1335.58] Tony: Oh, okay.
[1336.58] Tony: So you fly and then you only get in 24 frames.
[1339.58] Stephen: Yeah.
[1340.58] Stephen: And that's why when your goggles screw you around,
[1342.58] Stephen: because you can't record a traditional cinema frame rate,
[1346.58] Stephen: you've got to record at like a wacky 100 hertz frame rate,
[1349.58] Stephen: which no video format really uses, 100 frames a second.
[1353.58] Stephen: It's like 30, 60, 120.
[1355.58] Tony: Well, a couple of films come out at 120 frames.
[1358.58] Tony: They just look stupid.
[1359.58] Tony: The Will Smith film, I can't remember.
[1361.58] Tony: He's on a train or something.
[1362.58] Tony: Shoot you the train, snipe for a video.
[1365.58] Tony: I mean, I suppose it's good if you get to a point in a scene
[1369.58] Tony: and you want to half it or slow it down or whatever.
[1373.58] Tony: I mean, you can still render at 24.
[1375.58] Stephen: The simple matter of fact is if you want to get in the game,
[1378.58] Stephen: the V2 goggles are going to be a lot cheaper
[1380.58] Stephen: than buying the Integra's or the goggles too as well.
[1385.58] Koel: That's interesting.
[1386.58] Koel: I actually...
[1387.58] Koel: You always hear about people saying like,
[1388.58] Koel: oh, you know, you can't fly at 30, you can't fly at 24, yada, yada.
[1391.58] Koel: But I'm actually curious to see what it is actually like
[1394.58] Koel: because everyone says like, oh, you know, the more, the better and whatnot.
[1399.58] Koel: But like, I'm sure it can still be done.
[1403.58] Stephen: Yeah, of course, you can do it.
[1405.58] Stephen: It's just like, I don't know.
[1408.58] Stephen: It's not really political to say these days,
[1410.58] Stephen: but it does feel like you're slightly pissed, right?
[1413.58] Stephen: It's like you're trying to...
[1415.58] Stephen: Everyone who's drunk has probably like tried to run up a flight of stairs
[1418.58] Stephen: when they were drunk and then thought, well, that was a bit closer
[1421.58] Stephen: than I'd like to have been.
[1422.58] Stephen: And it's kind of like that when you're flying at 30 frames a second
[1426.58] Stephen: or something, when you could be flying at 120.
[1429.58] Stephen: You can do it, but you need to give yourself a little bit of a gap
[1433.58] Stephen: before you get to something to position yourself.
[1438.58] Koel: Yeah.
[1439.58] Koel: Hey, Dan, that's a good deal there.
[1442.58] Koel: It's a pretty good deal, it sounds like.
[1444.58] Koel: Hey, Phil, Soph.
[1445.58] Tony: How much is the throne that Barbara was advertising with the O3?
[1451.58] Stephen: Oh, $315 with the O3.
[1457.58] Stephen: That's not super, I think.
[1458.58] Stephen: I think it was the price she had on screen.
[1460.58] Koel: Yeah, and then when you convert it to your guys' money...
[1463.58] Koel: What is the UK experience?
[1465.58] Stephen: We get screwed, right?
[1466.58] Stephen: Like, the US pays basically no tax, so you take the price.
[1470.58] Stephen: It's about a dollar to a pound.
[1472.58] Stephen: Yeah.
[1473.58] Stephen: We actually end up paying a bit more than the dollar amount sometimes,
[1476.58] Stephen: which is annoying because we pay more tax.
[1479.58] Stephen: So even though the currency conversion should peg it at about, you know,
[1484.58] Stephen: say 80% of what the dollar value is, we then pay tax on it
[1489.58] Stephen: and it kind of pushes it over and...
[1491.58] Koel: It just makes it either even or you're paying more, actually.
[1494.58] Stephen: Yeah.
[1495.58] Stephen: You get import and then value added tax.
[1498.58] Frank: At least for consumer tech stuff, if you just take the dollar sign off
[1502.58] Frank: that pound sign on, that's about right.
[1504.58] Koel: Yeah, yeah.
[1505.58] Koel: So what about if you order stuff from China?
[1508.58] Koel: Do you still have to...
[1510.58] Koel: Yeah.
[1511.58] Stephen: It's a lottery.
[1512.58] Stephen: Sometimes you don't pay tax and sometimes you do.
[1516.58] Curry: I've been getting a lot of stuff recently
[1519.58] Curry: where they tend to use some sort of UK shipping office.
[1523.58] Curry: So they ship all the stuff from China to this one UK place
[1526.58] Curry: and then they go out locally.
[1528.58] Curry: So it depends where it comes from.
[1530.58] Curry: AliExpress do take a tax payment up front
[1535.58] Curry: but then you won't pay anything when it gets here.
[1538.58] Stephen: AliExpress has just been exhausting recently.
[1541.58] Stephen: Their pricing strategy is insane.
[1545.58] Stephen: I'm sometimes looking at an entire page, 20 different pages,
[1549.58] Stephen: all selling the exact same model number of something.
[1553.58] Stephen: And their prices are all within 10 pence of each other
[1556.58] Stephen: and you go to checkout
[1558.58] Stephen: and only one of them costs like three pounds more than the other
[1562.58] Stephen: when it was 10 pence difference
[1564.58] Stephen: because some of them add extra tax and shipping and don't mention it.
[1567.58] Stephen: And then you sometimes get automatic discounts
[1570.58] Stephen: and they don't...
[1571.58] Stephen: Some of them seem to just not charge you tax
[1573.58] Stephen: or they charge you tax and then discount you the tax.
[1577.58] Stephen: It's absolute chaos.
[1579.58] Stephen: It's a bit of a mind.
[1580.58] Stephen: Yeah, great price but it's exhausting.
[1582.58] Koel: I've only bought a few things off Ali
[1584.58] Koel: but it's a very weird website to be honest.
[1589.58] Koel: It's a very weird website.
[1590.58] Koel: It's like mayhem.
[1591.58] Stephen: Absolute mayhem.
[1592.58] Stephen: It's the wild west out there.
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[1619.58] Curry: Just talking of FPV videos,
[1621.58] Curry: I saw Cole's mate, Falconrad, lost one of his drones.
[1627.58] MULTIPLE: He did.
[1628.58] Curry: In the most amazing way possible
[1630.58] Curry: where he's not going to get it back until there's another glaciation
[1633.58] Curry: and it comes down that mountain.
[1635.58] Curry: Literally at the top of the spikiest spike way up high.
[1640.58] Koel: Yeah, he's going in for the dive and it's fine.
[1644.58] Koel: And then something comes right by him at the right hand side.
[1647.58] Koel: So he pulls to the left, but he overcorrects to the left.
[1650.58] Koel: And then it's just like no more video.
[1653.58] Curry: Yeah.
[1654.58] Curry: No GPS, no nothing.
[1655.58] Curry: The OSD, that's the worst thing.
[1658.58] Curry: The OSD screen, it's up so, so high, inaccessible.
[1663.58] Koel: Well, the funny part too is like, well,
[1665.58] Koel: maybe the sad part is like, yeah, he still had the OSD.
[1668.58] Koel: So he had to literally just take off the goggles while his quads still running.
[1673.58] Koel: And he's like, oh, like that must have felt like.
[1678.58] Stephen: Yes, right.
[1679.58] Stephen: So he's got the coordinates at least.
[1681.58] Koel: Yeah, but there's no getting up there, man.
[1683.58] Stephen: We know where it is.
[1686.58] Stephen: It's not proper.
[1687.58] Curry: He's upside down and he can't get back in the air.
[1690.58] Koel: The thing is, you know, very high.
[1692.58] Curry: The other one he lost, it was only like a couple of hundred meters in front of him.
[1696.58] Curry: But the forest was so thick.
[1699.58] Curry: There's just, you couldn't get through it.
[1701.58] Curry: There's just no getting it back when it's like.
[1703.58] Tony: I lost my five inch for hours, four hours in a tiny patch of forest.
[1712.58] Tony: It takes so long.
[1715.58] Tony: Even doing like the spiral out water when you start from a point and you just,
[1721.58] Tony: it just takes ages, man.
[1724.58] Tony: Always called your debut.
[1727.58] Koel: Yeah.
[1728.58] Stephen: Well, stupid loud beepers.
[1730.58] Koel: Yeah.
[1731.58] Koel: What the Falcon Rad video, though, is like we were like I saw him in the comments
[1736.58] Koel: saying some stuff like he's surprised he still had it.
[1739.58] Koel: He's had that rad lie on for like he said like six,
[1743.58] Koel: seven years or something like that.
[1745.58] Koel: And he's had a lot of close calls.
[1747.58] Koel: And that was like his original, original build.
[1750.58] Koel: And, you know, this this was this was the time, I guess.
[1754.58] Koel: But what he was happy about, actually, he spun it really well.
[1759.58] Koel: He was happy because it means that he doesn't have to use his hero 11 mini anymore.
[1763.58] Stephen: Yeah.
[1764.58] Stephen: Yeah.
[1765.58] Stephen: You got the happy memories as well.
[1766.58] Stephen: You got a choice for these things.
[1767.58] Stephen: You can build them and be like, that's a beautiful build.
[1769.58] Stephen: I'm going to put it on the wall and never use it.
[1771.58] Stephen: Or you can use it in full knowledge that there's like a five percent chance
[1775.58] Stephen: every time you go out and fly it.
[1777.58] Stephen: You're going to lose the thing and never see it again.
[1779.58] Tony: That's why I never buy a brand new car because I'm literally just sometimes
[1783.58] Stephen: you just lose them totally.
[1785.58] Tony: Just lay under it and look at how clean it is.
[1788.58] Koel: Lose them on the on the glacier of the mountain.
[1791.58] Koel: Yeah.
[1792.58] Koel: Yeah.
[1793.58] Curry: It'd be for future generations to find and figure out what it was.
[1797.58] Curry: Yeah.
[1798.58] Curry: Yeah.
[1799.58] Stephen: Yeah.
[1800.58] Stephen: Three thousand feet up on the top of the mountain.
[1802.58] Tony: I'm still hoping I'll get a GoPro back.
[1805.58] Tony: I lost, I don't know, it must have been hero one or two in the drink in the
[1810.58] Tony: river in Guildford years ago.
[1812.58] Tony: I'm still waiting for someone to find that and send it to me.
[1815.58] Stephen: Maybe future archaeologists will be like, here we are in the early millennial
[1821.58] Stephen: era and see a number of GoPros recorded.
[1826.58] Tony: Yeah.
[1827.58] Tony: Got it.
[1828.58] Koel: What is this?
[1829.58] Koel: What is this extremely large flash memory that has been it's hard to believe.
[1834.58] Koel: This is only 500 gigabytes.
[1839.58] Frank: This unusual conglomeration of metal and plastic was believed to have some
[1843.58] Frank: religious significance.
[1844.58] Stephen: A totem possibly or a fertility symbol.
[1848.58] Curry: Has it actually got anything that identifies you like a name address?
[1852.58] Curry: Well, no name address.
[1853.58] Curry: Well, it just has to figure out from you like who ring your room or something
[1856.58] Curry: and capture that.
[1857.58] Tony: Yeah.
[1858.58] Tony: I don't know.
[1859.58] Tony: There's just me and someone on their kayak inside.
[1861.58] Tony: I don't know.
[1862.58] Stephen: It could just be like Tony Robinson or someone of his ilk like dressed in an
[1866.58] Stephen: all foil space outfit thousands of years in the future digging that stuff up.
[1873.58] Jack: I always wanted to like secretly write Tony is a wiener in one of his quads
[1879.58] Jack: and then put the PCB over the top of it.
[1882.58] Jack: You probably had that written on.
[1887.58] Tony: Oh, come on.
[1888.58] Tony: There's things on the X class inside the polls and things.
[1893.58] Tony: Secret school.
[1895.58] Koel: Well, the only time that it's going to be looked at is when Jack's working on it.
[1901.58] Tony: It just makes him chuckle.
[1904.58] Tony: That's one of my stickers.
[1907.58] Jack: There was a pilgrimage.
[1909.58] Jack: We found it to be religious significance.
[1913.58] Jack: It's a shame it's gone.
[1914.58] Tony: It drives there and bowed in front of it.
[1919.58] Stephen: Curry, speaking of FPV stuff.
[1921.58] Stephen: I saw your video on the funky TX16 with the inbuilt video screen.
[1928.58] Stephen: This is all new and weird and exciting.
[1931.58] Stephen: How's that going?
[1932.58] Curry: Well, this comes out tomorrow for normal people.
[1934.58] Curry: This is the fat fish F16, which looks a bit like a TX16 or almost exactly like a
[1939.58] Curry: TX16 and has this.
[1942.58] Curry: It's got a screen on it, but it's also got a module that gets the unusual.
[1947.58] Stephen: And it's switchable in Edge TX.
[1949.58] Stephen: Like it's actually got the video switcher built into the radio.
[1953.58] Curry: They appear to have made a special thing in Edge TX.
[1957.58] Stephen: We thought like a global function to switch between FPV or normal touch screen to control the radio.
[1964.58] Stephen: Yeah.
[1965.58] Frank: So is there analog then?
[1968.58] Stephen: Yeah, it's here.
[1971.58] Stephen: The VTX is like in a module bay.
[1974.58] Stephen: It's the craziest thing.
[1976.58] Stephen: I wasn't impressed with it until I saw the video.
[1978.58] Stephen: I'm like, they've really gone to town on this.
[1980.58] Stephen: They've got a VTX that fits in a JR bay.
[1983.58] Curry: It's mad.
[1984.58] Curry: Yeah, this is the radio and looks like this, which looks like a bit like a TX16.
[1991.86] Curry: And then there's a module in the back, which is...
[1994.86] Curry: Oh, God, I've gone all big.
[1996.86] Curry: Which is the...
[1998.86] Stephen: You think that's like a normal control module?
[2001.86] Stephen: That's the VTX?
[2002.86] Curry: Weird.
[2003.86] Curry: That's the...
[2004.86] Curry: Well, the VRX I suppose.
[2005.86] Curry: Hang on.
[2006.86] Curry: VRX, yeah.
[2007.86] Curry: I can do you what it looks like once they take all the stupid antennas out.
[2012.86] Stephen: It's quite amusing how little presses he's got.
[2015.86] Koel: Video receiver external.
[2016.86] Stephen: They've really gone to town.
[2018.86] Stephen: Like it's not some cluge like in the TBS stuff.
[2023.86] Stephen: They straight up put it in a JR bay module and then integrated a switch in the radio
[2028.86] Stephen: so the radio can switch the inbuilt screen that controls the radio
[2034.86] Stephen: from being a touchscreen to control the radio to being an FPV monitor.
[2038.86] Stephen: So you just have that on a switch.
[2040.86] Curry: That's actually a special function.
[2042.86] Curry: So that is your regular color screen, which I think is the regular Edge TX touchscreen thing.
[2050.86] Curry: You can see the module in the back telling what frequency it's on.
[2054.86] Curry: And if I press this switch, it shows static.
[2058.86] Curry: Not very exciting.
[2060.86] Stephen: The thing is that switch isn't a hard-wired switch.
[2063.86] Stephen: That switch is a global function in Edge TX
[2065.86] Stephen: just like you'd control the screen brightness or control the volume.
[2068.86] Stephen: That's the point that I thought was really quite cool.
[2071.86] Curry: It's interesting.
[2072.86] Curry: I haven't found what I'd call a really valid function for it
[2078.86] Curry: other than to say, look, I can show my screen.
[2080.86] Curry: Or my only useful thing was when I throw a plane in the air,
[2084.86] Curry: I have to take my glasses off, put them on my mouth,
[2087.86] Curry: find my goggles, put my goggles on,
[2090.86] Curry: and then wander around in that state back to where I was sitting.
[2093.86] Curry: So being able to say, I've launched my plane, there it is.
[2097.86] Curry: RTH, I'll just look at that and I'll just wander back.
[2100.86] Curry: I don't think you're on your own there.
[2101.86] Stephen: I think there's going to be a lot of people who really like that planes.
[2105.86] Stephen: If they're flying analog on planes.
[2106.86] Stephen: Well, do they even have to?
[2108.86] Stephen: Because you could have like an HD0 thing that went in there
[2111.86] Stephen: or a walk snail thing that went in there.
[2114.86] Stephen: If the interface is open.
[2117.86] Curry: What I presume it has is, although there was no instructions on this,
[2121.86] Curry: you're supposed to have like, there's a video in here
[2124.86] Curry: and I'm assuming what happens when you switch that
[2127.86] Curry: is one of these pins is literally a composite video.
[2131.86] Curry: CVBS.
[2133.86] Curry: So we should just be able to plug something in there
[2136.86] Curry: and do something because if I switch it on without the module
[2140.86] Curry: and switch it to TV, it goes static.
[2143.86] Curry: So it's literally looking for a signal there
[2145.86] Curry: and this is just providing the signal.
[2147.86] Curry: So, yeah, you could plug in any old stuff there.
[2151.86] Stephen: This has a whole bunch of unused pins.
[2153.86] Stephen: If you look at the JRB connector, like everything,
[2156.86] Stephen: everyone's a bit pissed because everything uses S port,
[2160.86] Stephen: which is like half duplex on a single pin,
[2163.86] Stephen: but you've got so many pins.
[2166.86] Stephen: It's just a stupid old standard where we use pins
[2169.86] Stephen: because that's what we were doing 10 years ago.
[2172.86] Stephen: So I guess there's a whole bunch of unused pins.
[2174.86] Curry: Presumably, though, the hardware in here is slightly different
[2177.86] Curry: because I don't think any other radio has something to say.
[2180.86] Curry: Take that pin and squidge it into this screen.
[2183.86] Curry: That global function is interesting.
[2185.86] Curry: That's an interesting thing.
[2187.86] Curry: It looks like what they did is they got
[2190.86] Curry: HTX to write it into their code
[2193.86] Curry: or they did it and put it into the code.
[2197.86] Curry: But I'm just wondering if anybody else would like,
[2200.86] Curry: oh, that's interesting.
[2201.86] Curry: We could do that and it might catch on a little bit.
[2203.86] Frank: I'm just waiting for it to have a retro gaming console
[2207.86] Frank: glued to the backside of it.
[2209.86] Curry: I was going to plug in the Mega Drive to it,
[2212.86] Curry: but I can't be honest.
[2214.86] Curry: Just so I could do this stupid 30 seconds of me
[2217.86] Curry: playing Sonic through the screen, it's like, that's not worth it.
[2220.86] Curry: I'm sure.
[2221.86] Stephen: You must have somewhere that's like a VTX
[2224.86] Stephen: with a component video plug on it
[2226.86] Stephen: where you could just jam it into the back of something.
[2229.86] Frank: That might be a better idea.
[2232.86] Frank: I was thinking of it like some kind of equivalent of a switch,
[2236.86] Frank: like portable gaming device,
[2237.86] Frank: but it's just like a console with a radio.
[2241.86] Stephen: The video in on VTX is just a component video plug, isn't it?
[2245.86] Stephen: You just need to attach the ground and video
[2248.86] Stephen: into an old RCA jack and chuck it in.
[2252.86] Curry: Yeah, it's just composite yet again.
[2254.86] Curry: It's a regular composite signal, 645.
[2257.86] Curry: It would be easy to do, but I just wanted to get that video out
[2260.86] Curry: because loads of other stuff.
[2262.86] Curry: That's done.
[2263.86] Stephen: Speaking of loads of other stuff, Richard Warwick of The Chat
[2268.86] Stephen: has put a link in there.
[2270.86] Stephen: He's spotted the thing that everyone else has probably spotted,
[2273.86] Stephen: which is that Runcam has stuck their neck out
[2278.86] Stephen: in quite a big way here.
[2279.86] Stephen: Do you want to talk about that, Currie?
[2281.86] Curry: Yeah, so I heard about this about four months ago
[2286.86] Curry: that Runcam got interested in Open IPC.
[2290.86] Curry: So what they've done, I know they contacted the Open IPC project.
[2294.86] Curry: I don't exactly know exactly what they've done to work together on it,
[2299.86] Curry: but what they've done is bought out some Open IPC hardware,
[2303.86] Curry: and it's this thing here.
[2305.86] Curry: It's called the Wi-Fi Link,
[2307.86] Curry: and what's interesting about it, I think, is the price.
[2311.86] Curry: They've come up with 70 bucks.
[2314.86] Curry: There's also this thing called the Wi-Fi Link G.
[2317.86] Curry: If you look at that, it seems to have some receiving hardware as well.
[2321.86] Curry: So the Wi-Fi Link G has this 8.812 AU module
[2328.49] Curry: and some sort of OTG, which I'm guessing that is basically, say,
[2333.49] Curry: plug this into your Android tablet and you'll get a picture that way,
[2336.49] Curry: which I thought was interesting,
[2338.49] Curry: and they also seem to have come up with some sort of app as well
[2342.49] Curry: for you to use this.
[2345.49] Stephen: The thing I've noticed, those are all conspicuously 3D renders.
[2350.49] Curry: It doesn't appear to be like, well, is it a 3D render,
[2355.49] Curry: or have they just got a 3D render mask?
[2358.49] Stephen: I think that's different.
[2360.49] Stephen: Well, I don't know.
[2362.49] Stephen: The fact it's perfectly at 45 degrees kind of makes my Spidey sense tingle just a little bit.
[2369.49] Frank: Just how many words give these wires?
[2371.49] Frank: I don't know.
[2373.49] Frank: The wires look good, but I agree.
[2377.49] Stephen: The lighting's completely flat, and it's perfectly at 45 degrees.
[2381.49] Koel: There is a shine off the cable, though.
[2383.49] Koel: If you look at the cable, there's a little hot spot on some of those pairs there.
[2386.49] Curry: Are you suggesting Runcan's product people don't know how to take a photo
[2390.49] Curry: without casting shadows and things?
[2392.49] Stephen: I'm suggesting they're selling something before they've made it
[2395.49] Stephen: to try and speculate on it and see how much money they can possibly make.
[2398.49] Curry: They are most definitely taking orders,
[2401.49] Curry: and Runcan are not new to selling things and saying,
[2406.49] Curry: look, buy this, and it'd be really good,
[2408.49] Curry: and then we'll bring out a proper one six months later
[2410.49] Curry: when we've decided what bugs are.
[2413.49] Curry: What's interesting about this is that they're getting it out
[2417.49] Curry: at a much cheaper price than Open IPC managed.
[2420.49] Curry: I think Open IPC have this thing called the Mario all-in-one board,
[2425.49] Curry: which I think they're selling for like $99,
[2428.49] Curry: and it goes out of stock instantly.
[2430.49] Stephen: The pricing on Open IPC has always been insane.
[2433.49] Stephen: People were saying, oh, you can get an entire setup of $50,
[2436.49] Stephen: and then whenever anyone went to buy it, they were like,
[2438.49] Stephen: oh, yeah, now it's $100.
[2441.49] Curry: Well, it was never quite like that.
[2443.49] Curry: I think the problem with Open IPC,
[2445.49] Curry: it's always been over egged, let us say.
[2448.49] Curry: Too much overpromising and undeliverance.
[2451.49] Curry: But I think the good thing about this is it should cut out me having to do
[2456.49] Curry: a one-hour video on like, hello, welcome to introduction to Linux.
[2459.49] Curry: Today, we're going to be hacking a camera.
[2461.49] Curry: This week in FTDL.
[2463.49] Curry: Yes, that's true.
[2466.49] Curry: You won't have to get that.
[2467.49] Curry: I won't have to create a special tool
[2469.49] Curry: for how I can clamp down on two pins.
[2472.49] Curry: Everything you wanted to know,
[2474.49] Stephen: but never wanted to learn about you, Luke.
[2477.49] Curry: Yeah.
[2478.49] Curry: Yeah, if it gets rid of that, it could be interesting.
[2481.49] Curry: I think the thing with like,
[2484.49] Curry: when we were looking at things like Open HD when it first came along
[2487.49] Curry: and then into Open IPC,
[2490.49] Curry: it was the case of like, we can do this cheap and easy,
[2495.49] Curry: not necessarily easy and not necessarily cheap now.
[2498.49] Curry: That's the problem.
[2499.49] Curry: I think like Walks now comes along and for like under $100,
[2502.49] Curry: you can get a VTX, although the goggles are expensive.
[2506.49] Curry: So it's kind of like, it's semi-redundant in terms of like,
[2510.49] Curry: yeah, well, we can get HD systems everywhere,
[2513.49] Curry: but it is still open source, which people like,
[2516.49] Curry: and it's still being actively developed,
[2519.49] Curry: and it does open up more choice for people.
[2522.49] Curry: And so with these open,
[2524.49] Curry: I'm going to say Open HD in the roundabout terms, including everything,
[2527.49] Curry: with these Open HD type things,
[2530.49] Curry: you've always got the option of like multiple cameras, for example,
[2533.49] Curry: mixing up cameras to do thermal imaging and stuff like that if you wanted to.
[2537.49] Curry: It's like whatever the software developers want to put in the code.
[2540.49] Curry: So at least it's more flexible that way.
[2542.49] Curry: So I think more choice.
[2543.49] Curry: Hardware diversity.
[2544.49] Curry: Is a good thing.
[2545.49] Curry: Hardware diversity, always good.
[2547.49] Curry: Yeah, so fingers crossed,
[2549.49] Curry: I did talk to Runcam and they said they're going to send me one,
[2552.49] Curry: but never say never before it actually arrives.
[2555.49] Curry: So maybe we'll get one and see what it's like.
[2558.49] Stephen: Well, and the software, I think it's been getting better and better,
[2561.49] Stephen: but it doesn't feel like the software has really got to that plateau
[2565.49] Stephen: where everyone's comfortable about the features of the software.
[2568.49] Stephen: And it feels like while people are saying it's open,
[2572.49] Stephen: there's still closed source bits of the software that are owned
[2575.49] Stephen: by individual contributors to Open IPC,
[2578.49] Stephen: like the encoder and the stream abortions.
[2581.49] Stephen: So it's not actually open.
[2584.49] Stephen: People have voluntarily donated some code,
[2587.49] Stephen: but the source code isn't freely available,
[2589.49] Stephen: which means they can then exert some kind of influences on it later on.
[2594.49] Stephen: It's a bit of a hodgepodge.
[2595.49] Curry: It's kind of like we're an open project,
[2597.49] Curry: but we've taken bits and pieces from here that have different licensing
[2601.49] Curry: and terms and stuff, but it all works kind of together.
[2604.49] Curry: But it's an open project in some sense,
[2606.49] Stephen: but it's the classic free as in beer type of thing.
[2613.49] Stephen: I wouldn't say it's an open project.
[2615.49] Stephen: I'd say it's fundamentally a closed source project
[2617.49] Stephen: making use of freely available hardware,
[2620.49] Stephen: and they let you use it for free,
[2622.49] Stephen: but the code isn't actually free as in you can't get all of the code
[2626.49] Stephen: and you can't do whatever you want with all of the code.
[2629.49] Stephen: Some of that code is closed down.
[2633.49] Curry: Yeah, and this is going to happen more as different hardware vendors get involved.
[2639.49] Curry: Runcam is going to write some of their own stuff for their app and stuff,
[2643.49] Curry: and they're not going to be sharing back what's going on.
[2646.49] Curry: So it's now Runcam Wi-Fi link, which is based on Open IPC,
[2649.49] Curry: but under the terms and conditions,
[2651.49] Curry: they can take it and they can modify it
[2653.49] Curry: and they can close source and carry on as they want.
[2655.49] Curry: And I do know that they're not the only hardware vendor that's doing something.
[2660.49] Curry: There should be at least one other one doing something.
[2664.49] Stephen: Yeah, and it feels like you probably want more of a global consortium
[2668.49] Stephen: on this as well because it's governed out with Telegram Group,
[2671.49] Stephen: which is predominantly Russian,
[2673.49] Stephen: and it feels like a lot of the developers in the West
[2675.49] Stephen: have kind of shied away from that with some kind of...
[2680.49] Stephen: They're a little bit shy of getting too cozy with that.
[2684.49] Stephen: It would be nice if it was a bit more open
[2687.49] Stephen: and that they were able to use a more open medium
[2690.49] Stephen: rather than Telegram, for example.
[2694.49] Stephen: Mario FPV is saying that Diveness is open source
[2697.49] Stephen: and an alternative to Majestic Streaml,
[2699.49] Stephen: which is the closed source blob in there.
[2702.49] Curry: That can get more open. Cool.
[2704.49] Curry: But I think it's a very interesting idea
[2709.49] Curry: and it shows support from a well-known hardware vendor,
[2714.49] Curry: so it would be really interesting to see how it performs.
[2717.49] Curry: Hopefully, I'll get my hands on that and see if I can do something.
[2719.49] Curry: Obviously, my major concern is trying to fit that into something.
[2723.49] Curry: It's quite... It's quite junky.
[2726.49] Curry: Oh, yeah. That fan, it's mainly the fan.
[2729.49] Stephen: What's that, a Delta fan or something?
[2731.49] Stephen: That's the type of fan I'm used to seeing in rackmount servers.
[2734.49] Stephen: I mean, that thing's probably able to levitate.
[2738.49] Curry: That's it. That is the actual quad.
[2740.49] Curry: It's just a single motor on that hand,
[2742.49] Curry: and you can just take off with it.
[2744.49] Stephen: Presumably, if you don't need to push a watt of power,
[2747.49] Stephen: you might be able to do that without the fan, right?
[2749.49] Stephen: And especially if you're on a wing,
[2751.49] Stephen: you might be able to poke that thing out the fuselage
[2754.49] Stephen: and get some natural airflow on it without needing a giant fan.
[2758.49] Stephen: You never know.
[2760.49] Frank: The problem with the wings generally seem to have is the time before launch.
[2766.49] Frank: The time between power-up and launch seems to be higher
[2770.49] Curry: than a lot of digital BTXs seem to be happy with.
[2775.49] Curry: I think there's one good thing about that,
[2779.49] Curry: I was actually doing some stuff on OpenHD today
[2782.49] Curry: because I'm looking at the Oaken 2 board,
[2785.49] Curry: which is the Oaken board is what I have in my wing.
[2788.49] Curry: And on a wing that's moving, it's fine just to have heat sink
[2794.49] Curry: because that heat sink plus airflow is going to take it away.
[2798.49] Curry: As soon as we're on the floor,
[2801.49] Curry: because the one I'm working with is going to act as my ground station,
[2805.49] Curry: it needs active cooling.
[2807.49] Curry: It kind of feels like, okay, well, they cover the base here
[2810.49] Curry: because if you're sat on the floor waiting for a GPS or something like that
[2814.49] Curry: or faffing around with your goggles and saying,
[2817.49] Curry: oh, what's my Android tablet doing?
[2819.49] Curry: Because it's slightly complicated on these things.
[2821.49] Curry: Then these things will overheat very, very quickly.
[2825.49] Curry: I had one of those little Wi-Fi boards that I was doing my Oaken IPC setup with
[2832.49] Curry: and that would get roasting.
[2835.49] Curry: We have this fan plugged in on top of it, cooling it down.
[2840.49] Stephen: Surely, we all know that our phones don't always burn holes in our pockets.
[2845.49] Stephen: Surely, you should be able to crank it down to 10 milliwatts
[2849.49] Stephen: while it's on the ground two meters away from you.
[2852.49] Stephen: Yeah, and it would still go very, very hot.
[2855.49] Stephen: So just the encoder is hot. It's not the power amplifier.
[2858.49] Stephen: It's the actual video encoder that's causing it.
[2860.49] Curry: Well, a phone's got a very complicated operating system behind it
[2863.49] Curry: that it knows what it's doing, whereas these things are more sort of
[2866.49] Curry: chucked together about, I guess.
[2868.49] Stephen: Yeah, and I think a lot of these, they're really ignoring power savings
[2871.49] Stephen: on the assumption that they will have airflow
[2873.49] Stephen: because phones, they've got this thing where they race to idle,
[2876.49] Stephen: like they race to standby and race to idle.
[2879.49] Stephen: So unless you're actually touching the screen and moving it,
[2882.49] Stephen: the CPU will just downclock and everything effectively goes on suspend,
[2886.49] Stephen: whereas it feels like these maybe are using more polling I.O.
[2892.49] Stephen: and they're staying on the whole time because it's just way easier
[2895.49] Stephen: to program a system like that than to race to idle the whole time,
[2899.49] Stephen: like modern phone operating systems do.
[2902.49] Stephen: That's okay. Sorry, sidebar.
[2904.49] Curry: Moving on.
[2906.49] Curry: Moving on. I had another interesting screen to share.
[2909.49] Curry: Did anybody notice that this sporting thing I'm called the Olympics
[2913.49] Curry: was there last week?
[2915.49] Curry: No, what's that about? Well, I was wondering that.
[2919.49] Jack: You know, it's heavily copyrighted.
[2923.49] Jack: Okay.
[2925.49] Stephen: I saw the French metal band Gajira appear.
[2927.49] Stephen: I think they had an opportunity that was linked to something like that.
[2931.49] Tony: I saw the breakdancing and the weird...
[2933.49] Tony: Oh, the breakdancing.
[2935.49] Tony: The final breakdancing was really good.
[2937.49] Curry: What's the wrong clip?
[2938.49] Curry: I was watching something and it was like track and field on.
[2941.49] Curry: And then I saw these people playing with cars.
[2944.49] Curry: And I was like, what is that?
[2948.49] Curry: People are professionally employed
[2951.49] Curry: to drive these little cars back and forth
[2954.49] Curry: that go and take the discus and the javelins back,
[2957.49] Curry: which I thought was utterly fascinating.
[2960.49] Curry: They're calling him, like, robotic assistance.
[2964.49] Curry: I'm calling it like the...
[2966.49] Curry: Robotic assistance? That's a track system.
[2968.49] Curry: That's carrying a discus up and down a field.
[2970.49] Stephen: That's exactly what it is.
[2972.49] Curry: These have been around a while.
[2975.49] Curry: London 2012...
[2977.49] Stephen: That green guy looks exactly like something you'd see
[2980.49] Stephen: at some random video on YouTube for like,
[2983.49] Stephen: let's bash this around a skateboard.
[2985.49] Curry: And if you looked at the controllers they were using,
[2988.49] Curry: absolute bog-standard car controller,
[2991.49] Curry: they were having great fun driving up and down.
[2993.49] Curry: So that is actually someone's job,
[2996.49] Curry: to drive a car back and forth at the Olympics
[2999.49] Curry: to collect discus and javelins.
[3001.49] Stephen: What were the 100-meter times?
[3003.49] Stephen: Clive says that they did a 100-meter race on them.
[3006.49] Stephen: Didn't anyone catch that?
[3008.49] Stephen: That sounds fun.
[3010.49] Tony: Yeah.
[3011.49] Tony: I think reverse that one quite fast would be fun.
[3015.49] Frank: They've used them in the football as well, right?
[3018.49] Frank: Like, in between the Olympics,
[3021.49] Frank: various football tournaments have used RC cars
[3025.49] Frank: to take the ball out into the field.
[3029.49] Stephen: I understand the discus because it more or less stays put,
[3032.49] Stephen: but can a bounce of football on top of a car sounds like a...
[3035.49] Frank: I think it had like...
[3036.49] Stephen: I suggest you give it a hold of some sort.
[3039.49] Curry: Think of a free pole,
[3041.49] Curry: hot glue to the top of the car or something.
[3043.49] Curry: Oh yeah, now we're talking.
[3045.49] Curry: Sounds certainly professional.
[3047.49] Curry: It seems with a football you just kick it.
[3049.49] Curry: That's easier.
[3050.49] Curry: I understand why they won't get a javelin
[3052.49] Curry: and throw it back to the guy that just threw it.
[3054.49] Curry: Yeah, right.
[3056.49] Curry: Am I catch?
[3059.49] Stephen: Yeah, with a football there are literally people
[3061.49] Stephen: who are pretty well paid to do the matter of passing
[3065.49] Stephen: the sports ball from one person to another.
[3067.49] Stephen: You thought employing an electron contrivance
[3070.49] Stephen: instead of using the highly trained athletes
[3072.49] Stephen: would be a little bit insulting to everyone involved.
[3075.49] Curry: I would like to see these cars used in more sports.
[3078.49] Curry: In the Tour de France, or cycling races in general,
[3081.49] Curry: I've seen drones being used around certain bits of the time trial.
[3085.49] Curry: I'd like to see it on a little car.
[3087.49] Curry: Let's chase the bike on the car, round the thing
[3090.49] Curry: and see if we can get under his wheels and knock him off.
[3093.49] Curry: There you go.
[3095.49] Frank: Euros 2020.
[3099.49] Frank: Ludicrous.
[3101.49] Tony: VW sponsoring that?
[3103.49] Stephen: Yeah, that's why I'm thinking.
[3105.49] Stephen: It comes down to the money, doesn't it?
[3107.49] Stephen: It's always follow the money.
[3108.49] Stephen: I wonder what the emissions are like on that.
[3111.49] Stephen: Terrible.
[3112.49] Stephen: Poison targeting.
[3114.49] Koel: Until you looked at it.
[3117.49] Koel: You know, it's interesting for the nine year anniversary.
[3120.49] Koel: We didn't do any real trips down memory lane though, did we?
[3123.49] Koel: No, we're waiting for that for the 10.
[3125.49] Koel: Well, we do that every other show.
[3127.49] Koel: So I thought maybe we could just shake it up a little bit.
[3131.49] Stephen: You know, get back in the bath.
[3135.49] Stephen: Wasn't it great when we, it was all fly by wire.
[3138.49] Tony: What about control line?
[3140.49] Stephen: Who's flown control line recently?
[3142.49] Stephen: What about steam powered gliders?
[3145.49] Stephen: Fluid cut.
[3147.49] Stephen: Interesting ideas. Let me write this down.
[3150.49] Tony: I'm hoping that the DJ Neo comes out in five days
[3155.49] Curry: because it's rumored to be coming out the 20th.
[3158.49] Tony: What are you going to use it for?
[3160.49] Tony: Are you going to get one?
[3161.49] Tony: I'm going to use it.
[3162.49] Tony: You're going to film yourself in the bathroom.
[3164.49] Tony: I'm going to use it for filming myself
[3166.49] Stephen: when I'm out on my bike, when I'm riding.
[3168.49] Stephen: Oh, okay.
[3170.49] Tony: Has it got a follow me mode?
[3172.49] Tony: Apparently so, yeah, take off from Palm.
[3174.49] Tony: I don't know if it's going to work outdoors though.
[3176.49] Stephen: I mean, things like today were, well, it was a bit windy today.
[3180.49] Tony: That would be the acid tester type of stuff you do.
[3182.49] Tony: Yeah, I'd like it to follow me.
[3185.49] Tony: Like I'm going to Eastbourne again.
[3187.49] Stephen: So we're watching it.
[3188.49] Stephen: Yeah.
[3189.49] Tony: I'm going to Eastbourne again.
[3191.49] Tony: I'm riding my bike from my parents caravan right up over the hills and stuff.
[3196.49] Tony: So I'd like it to track me maybe going up past the long man and stuff like that.
[3202.49] Tony: That'd be pretty cool news.
[3204.49] Tony: Wouldn't it be more interesting, Tony, to ride first third person?
[3208.49] Curry: So you put your goggles on, get on your bike,
[3212.49] Curry: and then you fly your quad, chase yourself.
[3215.49] Curry: And you're like, okay, I see where I'm going.
[3217.49] Curry: So you can just work it out.
[3219.49] Curry: Like you're playing a video game. Easy.
[3221.49] Curry: I'll be fine.
[3222.49] Curry: I'll be fine.
[3223.49] Curry: I mean, yeah, I'd give it a go.
[3227.49] Tony: I won't take the dog though from that one in case, you know, a crash.
[3232.49] Tony: That's fair.
[3233.49] Tony: Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing what it's all about, really.
[3237.49] Tony: I'm sure YouTubers have already had it for six weeks.
[3243.49] Tony: I'm sure YouTubers have already had it for six weeks, six months.
[3248.49] Stephen: It's a DJI band in the US now.
[3251.49] Stephen: What's happened with that?
[3253.49] Tony: You got banned.
[3254.49] Tony: I thought they did.
[3255.49] Tony: And then someone said it's not gone.
[3258.49] Stephen: So will they, won't they?
[3260.49] Tony: But I've seen like a, it's a DJI mate.
[3264.49] Tony: It's like literally a complete rip off of the Mavic 3.
[3267.49] Tony: I can't remember what it was called.
[3269.49] Koel: Oh, the different brand though, right?
[3271.49] Koel: Hmm.
[3272.49] Koel: But it was exactly the same.
[3274.49] Stephen: Yeah, we need some great British entrepreneurs to jump in there with a DJI.
[3280.49] Stephen: I think they can really just call it on the market.
[3283.49] Curry: Maybe Dyson should take about six grand.
[3286.49] Tony: It would suck.
[3292.49] Jack: Sorry.
[3293.49] Jack: No, we got Dyson.
[3296.49] Koel: Yeah, Dyson isn't even Dyson anymore, are they really?
[3300.49] Koel: I don't know.
[3301.49] Koel: Nothing's really anything anymore.
[3303.49] Stephen: Anything that exists for more than like five years
[3306.49] Stephen: just sells out and becomes a name and nothing else.
[3309.49] MULTIPLE: And that is why we bring you today.
[3312.49] MULTIPLE: Let's throw it out.
[3314.49] MULTIPLE: Just want to bye.
[3319.49] Tony: Sticky Jacks Emporium.
[3322.49] Tony: Sticky Jacks Emporium.
[3326.49] Stephen: Sticky Jacks Emporium brings you glue for antennas, glue for batteries,
[3330.49] Stephen: glue for frames, glue for straps, glue for glue.
[3336.49] MULTIPLE: That's not glibricant.
[3338.49] Jack: Glibricant.
[3340.49] Jack: Sexual glibricant.
[3343.49] Stephen: All right, easy.
[3344.49] Stephen: Want to get closer with your partner?
[3346.49] Stephen: Try Crazy Jacks Glue for Partners.
[3352.49] Tony: Where is this going?
[3355.49] Koel: Nobody knows, Tony.
[3356.49] Koel: Nobody knows.
[3357.49] Koel: Four minutes of bullcrap.
[3359.49] Koel: Come on.
[3360.49] Koel: Oh, you know, something that we were going to mention,
[3363.49] Koel: which was related to this t-shirt from two years ago.
[3369.49] Stephen: Warzone Coventry.
[3372.49] Stephen: On the bank call of the weekend,
[3374.49] Stephen: they are doing it again.
[3376.49] Stephen: They're making a thing of it.
[3378.49] Stephen: It is a recurrence.
[3379.49] Stephen: It is an annual event.
[3381.49] Stephen: And kudos to them, because we needed it.
[3384.49] Stephen: Right?
[3385.49] Stephen: So year after year,
[3387.49] Stephen: FBV Drone Fest keeps kicking them out of the park.
[3390.49] Stephen: And this year, they're going to be at Warzone outside of Coventry.
[3395.49] Stephen: On the bank call of the weekend,
[3396.49] Stephen: 23rd to 26th.
[3398.49] Stephen: Is that nearer?
[3399.49] Stephen: That is near to everyone,
[3401.49] Stephen: because it's in the middle of the country,
[3403.49] Tony: in the Midlands.
[3406.49] Tony: All right.
[3408.49] Tony: How much is it costing this time?
[3411.49] Stephen: A fair and reasonable amount.
[3414.49] Stephen: How much does it cost?
[3417.49] Stephen: I think it's really great that they're continuing
[3419.49] Stephen: and keeping the momentum up,
[3421.49] Stephen: because, you know, it's a massive amount of hassle
[3423.49] Stephen: to organize something like this.
[3425.49] Stephen: So I've got a huge amount of respect for everyone involved
[3428.49] Stephen: to keep the momentum going and keep doing it.
[3431.49] Stephen: It's wonderful to see.
[3433.49] Tony: Do I have to get them on and I can talk about it?
[3435.49] Tony: When is it?
[3437.49] Tony: 23rd to the 26th of August.
[3440.49] Tony: Oh, it's coming up.
[3442.49] Stephen: Bank call of the weekend.
[3446.49] Stephen: I guess Failsafe isn't here because he hasn't chimed up.
[3448.49] Stephen: But, yeah, it looks like a laugh.
[3450.49] Stephen: They've got basically a whole bunch of buildings
[3452.49] Stephen: that they use for airsoft and paintball and that.
[3455.49] Stephen: So there's all these fake buildings you can scream through
[3459.49] Stephen: and do stunts through and it's far enough from everywhere
[3462.49] Stephen: that it's safe and camp out there
[3465.49] Stephen: and they've got, you know,
[3467.49] Stephen: playback in the evenings and stuff.
[3469.49] Stephen: Chindigs socializing after hours.
[3473.49] Stephen: Sounds like a good laugh.
[3475.49] Frank: The following weekend,
[3477.49] Frank: the 31st of August, 1st of September,
[3480.49] Frank: is the wing racing event up at Caroline's Place.
[3487.49] Frank: The Wings Over Pontifract event.
[3490.49] Frank: Cancelled.
[3492.49] Frank: They've probably cancelled unless people sign up to it.
[3495.49] Frank: Banker, you signed up.
[3498.49] Frank: Because I am going to be not in the country.
[3502.49] Frank: Sprank's fault.
[3505.49] Frank: That's a shame.
[3507.49] Stephen: Yeah.
[3509.49] Stephen: We should reach out to the quad racing guys,
[3511.49] Stephen: see what they're doing.
[3513.49] Frank: They are arguing about who should be
[3515.49] Frank: the British champion at the moment.
[3518.49] Frank: That's how they're deciding.
[3519.49] Frank: They're not racing, they're just arguing.
[3521.49] Curry: Slap fight?
[3522.49] Curry: Traditionally you'd race for that and who wins is the champion
[3525.49] Curry: but I like the idea of arguing for it instead.
[3530.49] Stephen: I want to see a third person slap fight
[3532.49] Stephen: they conduct through FPV bubbles.
[3534.49] Stephen: Everyone like straps the quad to their head
[3536.49] Stephen: and just goes and has a big slap fight.
[3541.49] Frank: I swear I've seen that at FPV Join Festival.
[3546.49] Jack: Well no, that was someone running into a railing
[3549.49] Jack: trying to find a chair.
[3552.49] Frank: Oh yeah.
[3554.49] Stephen: Yeah, I think I did about five yards of that contest
[3557.49] Stephen: and then was just like,
[3558.49] Stephen: no, Stephen's going to break something.
[3560.49] Stephen: I'm going to stop.
[3563.49] Jack: One of my favourite moments was turn that big f***ing music off.
[3568.49] Jack: I do not like Country in Weston.
[3570.49] Stephen: I really do not like Country in Weston.
[3573.49] Stephen: The Red Bull team wanting to play Loud Country in Weston
[3576.49] Stephen: at 10 in the morning
[3577.49] Stephen: when there wasn't even a coffee stand on site really
[3580.49] Stephen: did not help my demeanor.
[3582.49] Tony: I love it.
[3583.49] Stephen: I'm paying for QSM of doing things to livestock.
[3586.49] Stephen: To be honest, I'd probably stand by that opinion
[3588.49] Stephen: given the nature of the musical choices.
[3591.49] Stephen: That's another year down everyone.
[3593.49] Stephen: Thank God.
[3594.49] Tony: It's like one year left.
[3596.49] Tony: Nine more years, nine more years.
[3599.49] Tony: Well, a prison sentence, isn't it?
[3603.49] Curry: Just one more to go.
[3605.49] Curry: No possibility of parole.
[3607.49] Frank: No.
[3610.49] Frank: Well, you have joined us
[3612.49] Frank: for our ninth year anniversary this week of Let's Throw It Out.
[3616.49] Frank: I have been Frank.
[3617.49] Frank: You have been joined by Curry.
[3619.49] Frank: Goodbye.
[3621.49] Frank: Stephen.
[3622.49] Stephen: Nine more years.
[3623.49] Frank: Tony.
[3624.49] Stephen: Bonjour.
[3626.49] Stephen: Jack.
[3627.49] Frank: Thank you.
[3628.49] Frank: And Carl.
[3629.49] Frank: See you.
[3630.49] Frank: All our patrons who have kept us on air
[3633.49] Frank: and in the podcast feeds with the theme music
[3637.49] Frank: that Cole composed all those years ago.
[3640.49] Frank: Thank you.
[3641.49] Frank: Thank you, patrons.
[3642.49] Frank: Thank you.
[3643.49] Frank: See us next week
[3646.49] Frank: and next year on Let's Throw It Out.
[3649.49] MULTIPLE: Bye.
[3650.49] MULTIPLE: Bye.
[3651.49] Frank: Bye.
[3652.49] MULTIPLE: Bye.
[3653.49] MULTIPLE: Telemetry lost.