=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 476 ===
Title: LDO 476 - Jack's rubbed off wand
Recorded: 2024-10-10
Hosts: Koel "Koala" Anderson, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 809
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcnJiXTqMtM); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1933723394-letsdroneout-ldo-476-jacks-rubbed-off-wand.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello, and you're listening to Let's Drone Out, a special thank you to our lovely patrons
[6.28] Jack: that help donate so that we can pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things
[11.36] Jack: we say.
[13.0] Jack: Massive thank you to…
[14.4] Jack: Carlos Campos!
[16.0] Jack: Art Faulkner.
[17.84] Frank: Sam Dahmer.
[19.68] Frank: On with the show.
[20.68] Jack: Hello and welcome back to another episode of Let's Drone Out.
[57.86] Jack: Tonight we are joined by everyone's favourite coke-in.
[61.3] Jack: Hello.
[62.3] Jack: Our Lord of Master Andrew slash Frank.
[66.02] Jack: Hello.
[67.02] Jack: The man who said B.R. Pelly's going to die AM32 for the win called it Stephen.
[75.58] Jack: Cheers.
[76.58] Jack: All right.
[78.58] Jack: And by Buddy Cole, probably the only one who's done some flying.
[81.98] Jack: Darn it!
[82.98] Jack: Because he doesn't live here.
[84.98] Curry: Not true.
[86.1] Curry: Not true.
[87.1] Curry: I managed to get out as well.
[88.1] Stephen: You've got your own fields, which apparently is mud free, or you just don't mind getting
[93.82] Stephen: things muddy.
[94.82] Stephen: It's very squishy around here.
[96.3] Stephen: Well, it was quite wet.
[98.58] Curry: And friends free.
[99.58] Curry: Yes.
[100.58] Curry: No one was invited to come with me.
[102.58] Curry: Not as allowed as a special curry field.
[105.1] Curry: A special field.
[106.1] Curry: Don't I, Field?
[107.1] Jack: And what did you fly?
[109.58] Curry: Well, it's what I didn't fly as well.
[112.66] Curry: I took the wing out again that I explained I had the problem with last time, where it
[116.94] Curry: decided it was going to delete the configuration completely and put the configuration back.
[123.82] Curry: This time, after I set everything up, I had two problems.
[127.34] Curry: First off, it looks like it was ready to arm.
[131.02] Curry: Still working.
[132.02] Curry: The server still moved and it said, pitch and roll, not zero.
[137.14] Curry: I was like, what?
[138.14] Curry: What are you talking about?
[140.06] Curry: No one's touching the joystick, it's fine.
[143.22] Curry: I couldn't make it work and it decided it wasn't going to arm, so I was like, oh, that's
[147.06] Curry: annoying.
[148.06] Curry: And also, the HDMI into my goggles was a bit dodgy, hit and miss.
[151.86] Curry: I put them on and it's sort of like, oh, that's nice, and it suddenly went completely green.
[155.18] Curry: I was like, oh, twiddle, twiddle, twiddle, and it's OK again, leading me to slightly
[159.38] Curry: rant about why is HDMI so crap when you plug it in and hang it down.
[165.94] Curry: I also flew my 7-inch quad to try going a little bit more distance, which was interesting
[173.26] Curry: because I learned something about Express LRS and if you use dynamic power, how that
[180.02] Curry: works and exactly how much space you've got if you start getting worried.
[186.22] Curry: Because firstly for me, I was like, oh, it's at minus 95 dBm.
[190.9] Curry: That's quite high.
[191.9] Curry: I don't like that.
[192.9] Curry: I want to turn around.
[193.9] Curry: But that's not necessarily the case.
[195.42] Curry: And I was confused because I was going out to about a kilometre and a half and I was
[200.26] Curry: on 868 dynamic power and it's on 10 milliwatts.
[204.18] Curry: And it gets to minus 97 and I'm like, oh, this makes me nervous.
[207.82] Curry: And I turn around and come back and then set it on normal power and go to what I thought
[212.74] Curry: was 3K, which was actually 2.85K because I was looking at the wrong display.
[217.1] Curry: But then that was OK because I wasn't on dynamic power.
[220.02] Curry: So I did some checking into this and I found several interesting things.
[225.46] Curry: The first is about exactly how far you should be able to go before you actually start to
[232.06] Curry: panic about your dBm value and the fact that it's like on a logarithmic scale.
[238.74] Curry: So OK, so you could go in theory, where I fly, I could go to minus 112 before it fails
[246.46] Curry: and you can say, OK, let's be safe.
[248.42] Curry: Let's call it 102 to save 10.
[252.1] Curry: But I saw some footage and it's like some guy went to like 3.5K and it's at minus 100.
[261.14] Curry: And when he got to 5.5K, it was still at 100.
[264.82] Curry: As only when he went to minus six that he got to like minus 102 or something.
[269.06] Curry: It's like, ah, I'm being overly conservative about my power here.
[273.98] Curry: And because the power works on a signal to noise ratio about when it ups to power, it's
[280.1] Curry: not necessarily set about how bad your RSI value is.
[284.94] Curry: So basically, you just suck it up and carry on and see what happens is the best way of
[289.42] Curry: doing it.
[290.42] Curry: If it does get like minus 100 and finally say it's like, OK, this is bad.
[294.46] Curry: Let's turn around because on that turn around, it's probably going to get worse.
[298.18] Curry: But yeah, I thought it was quite interesting.
[300.34] Curry: And the fact you can go like 2K extra and your signal doesn't degrade any further because
[306.1] Curry: the way that the scale of the RSI works, I thought that's interesting.
[310.7] Curry: So that was an interesting learning experience for me.
[313.1] Stephen: That does sound interesting.
[315.1] Stephen: Yeah.
[316.1] Stephen: Because I've only ever used the link quality and I just put the power at wherever I'm going
[322.54] Stephen: to put the power at dynamic or otherwise.
[324.86] Stephen: And I just wait till the link quality goes down below 60 and then stop worrying.
[330.14] Stephen: If LQ is over 60, basically, OK.
[333.62] Curry: If I'm freestyling, I'm blanking the LQ above 90, but otherwise, you know.
[338.02] Curry: It's interesting, isn't it?
[339.02] Curry: Because they're telling me different things, which I think is always useful to have both.
[342.86] Curry: Of course, you could have an amazing quality signal if you look at the DVM RSI, but a terrible
[350.22] Curry: link quality because some things like blasted out your packet and you've like lost a bunch
[355.54] Curry: of them.
[356.54] Curry: And similarly, you could be way out and like minus 100 and something and still have like
[360.26] Curry: 100 link quality because all the packets are getting through, just albeit at the end of
[365.22] Curry: what they can actually do.
[366.5] Curry: So using a combination of them to look at what's going on is quite handy.
[370.82] Curry: So it's like, yeah, I'm going to I'm going to try and be braver.
[373.78] Curry: It's my old crappy seven inch.
[376.22] Curry: If it went down over the sea, I'll be more upset about losing one of my four thousand
[381.06] Curry: million power successes rather than the call itself.
[384.06] Curry: So it's no big deal.
[385.06] Curry: So it's quite quite a useful thing to test with.
[389.06] Koel: Well, that's very it's interesting that you say that because like I've never seen my link
[394.22] Koel: quality ever go down below like like below the 90s.
[400.14] Koel: Like I've always been.
[401.14] Koel: I've never seen it anything below the 90s other than maybe.
[406.18] Koel: I don't know.
[407.18] Koel: Like I don't know if it's if it's an E.L. or because you're using E.L.R.S., right?
[412.42] Koel: And I don't know if it matters, whether it's one platform or the other.
[415.78] Koel: But yeah, I've only I've only actually seen it maybe go around the 90s or 80s at worst.
[423.26] Koel: But it is kind of interesting to know how the DBM plays a role because I've only ever
[429.82] Koel: used link quality.
[430.82] Koel: So it's like, OK, if it says around 100 or 98, 97, I know I'm good.
[437.02] Koel: So I've never actually really I've never had any worries about link quality.
[440.38] Koel: But yeah, it's it is weird that when you're looking at the DBM RSSI, it's like after a
[447.22] Koel: certain range, it's not actually getting worse, like you said.
[450.46] Curry: So it's yeah, oh, it's getting worse, but very, very slowly.
[454.94] Stephen: You can be in quality starts to go down.
[457.34] Stephen: That's just like depending on the power setting.
[459.98] Stephen: So if you're flying just say 25 milliwatt, you go behind something unless you're on 900
[466.26] Stephen: megahertz, it's going to start going down.
[469.86] Stephen: It's just a question of how low can the link quality go before you start to feel you can't
[474.38] Stephen: control the craft.
[475.38] Koel: Really, what I kind of picked up from people and what I've learned is that like for anything
[480.26] Koel: with like long range or like like medium range or seven inch ish type flying where you're
[485.1] Koel: kind of sending it out, like dynamic isn't exactly favorable in a way, because like,
[491.86] Stephen: I mean, maybe it is, maybe it isn't like I've heard you need to avoid excessive battery
[496.9] Stephen: drain on the radio.
[498.18] Koel: That's exactly.
[499.18] Koel: Yeah, yeah.
[500.18] Koel: Because for freestyle stuff like close range type of thing, I'll check it on dynamic and
[505.26] Koel: have like a, you know, maybe 100 milliwatt or something, output power, and I don't think
[510.46] Koel: about it.
[511.46] Koel: But if it's like something that I'm going to maybe send out, I'm like, I'm going to
[514.82] Koel: put it on a reasonably good power level and just leave it there.
[519.22] Koel: But you are right.
[520.7] Koel: It definitely does suck the battery of the radio.
[525.18] Stephen: Absolutely stomps on it.
[526.18] Stephen: Like, especially my little tea light, that thing, yeah, should be able to do 250 milliwatt,
[531.3] Stephen: but you put it on 250 milliwatt and it just starts bleeding out battery warnings.
[535.46] Stephen: So I put it on dynamic power and like, you know, if I'm flying behind something, I don't
[540.74] Stephen: want this to like fall into a muddy puddle.
[542.66] Stephen: Yeah.
[543.66] Stephen: Bump into 250 milliwatt.
[544.66] Koel: That's a big boy.
[545.66] Koel: Yeah.
[546.66] Koel: There was a 6200.
[547.66] Koel: Yeah.
[548.66] Curry: 6200.
[549.66] Curry: Yeah.
[550.66] Curry: That's pretty good.
[551.66] Curry: That's the main reason that I, this is my main radio now is like, yeah, that's not gonna
[555.46] Curry: stay.
[556.46] Curry: So yeah, when I put it on manual, I put like, okay, let's not mess around.
[561.3] Curry: Let's put the radio on one watt.
[562.9] Curry: Let's put the VTX on five watts and see what happens.
[566.22] Jack: Yeah.
[567.22] Curry: Then you have nothing to worry about.
[569.22] Curry: Nothing to worry about other than windy people on YouTube telling me how much I'm upsetting.
[576.98] Curry: You're ruining the hobby curry.
[582.5] Jack: You're ruining it.
[583.5] Jack: I love that comment.
[584.5] Curry: If you know, they said I was ruining mesh networks everywhere in the world.
[588.5] Curry: It's like other LoRa networks that happen to work over this that are ruined.
[594.02] Curry: I was like, Oh, well, if you're going to see networks up in the middle of the field or
[598.62] Curry: over the city, then that's your problem.
[600.9] Curry: Yeah.
[601.9] Stephen: She can't win, can you?
[604.74] Stephen: She can't win.
[606.54] Jack: I think my favorite was if you think that was illegal, you should have seen what your
[610.06] Jack: mum did last night.
[614.06] Curry: I like it when if someone leaves a nasty comment before I get to reply, other, other viewers
[618.68] Curry: decide to reply on my behalf and make it even funnier than I could.
[621.58] Curry: So that's, that's the best plan.
[624.02] Jack: Yeah.
[625.18] Jack: I'm quite the fan of your, your comment section now.
[630.06] Jack: I kind of come for the comments first and then the content.
[634.7] Curry: Someone left a comment after your one.
[636.98] Curry: What Jack does now, if he leaves a comment, he says, I watched this just to let me know
[642.02] Curry: that he's, he's bravely watched a video.
[644.82] Curry: And then I think someone right under your one gold star or something, well, someone
[652.22] Jack: wrote Disneyland as if I was like some sort of special needs, like, you know, I get kind
[657.1] Jack: of day triples on it.
[658.7] Jack: I think that was my favorite.
[661.1] UNKNOWN: Yeah.
[662.1] UNKNOWN: Thanks for that.
[663.1] UNKNOWN: Charming.
[664.1] Jack: No, no.
[665.1] Jack: Live in the comments section.
[666.1] Curry: In theory, it should be dry tomorrow, so I might try the wing for the bird's tent.
[676.26] Curry: What it was when I got home, actually, when I was flying the quad, I was like, oh, this
[680.98] Curry: quad keeps falling backwards.
[683.38] Curry: And somehow one of these screws had come slightly undone.
[686.74] Curry: And I had this little bit of wiggle here.
[689.42] Curry: So what would happen is this would drop down just like a millimeter.
[693.18] Curry: And so the quad would slightly go backwards.
[695.5] Curry: So what it was, that wing was complaining that this had dropped down.
[699.18] Curry: Basically I'm like, I can't arm, you've got your finger on the stick.
[702.42] Curry: So all I need to do is tighten that up and now the wing arm.
[704.98] Curry: So I ordered a new HDMI cable to try and fix that problem.
[708.82] Curry: So maybe I take the wing out, bird attempt at flying it.
[714.22] Jack: Mine's got erectile dysfunction.
[717.1] Jack: I don't know whether you can see that, but I raise it up.
[722.58] Jack: And as you can see, it's slowly, like my female goes down.
[729.02] Stephen: That's the throttle.
[730.02] Stephen: I mean, you can put a spring on it if you absolutely need to.
[733.5] Curry: That's one of these screws for the tension on the throttle.
[737.22] Curry: I can't remember which one.
[738.34] Curry: I think maybe that one.
[739.34] Stephen: Yeah, there's a little screw on the back that literally presses a strip of metal against
[743.14] Stephen: the gimbal.
[744.14] Koel: Thank you.
[745.14] Koel: The little thin thing to, yep.
[748.54] Koel: I actually like having a bit of resistance on my throttle.
[751.82] Koel: I don't like it to just like flop about.
[753.94] Koel: I like to, to be more, like sometimes you want it to almost just sit in a spot where
[759.5] Koel: you can take your hand off and it's not going to just...
[761.38] Curry: Oh yeah.
[762.38] Curry: For me, it needs to sit in a spot, but be able to work it nice.
[765.9] Curry: It's a very sweet spot, the throttle thing.
[767.62] Curry: It needs to sit where it wants it to, but it can't be too tight or too loose.
[772.22] Curry: It's the golden locks showing off the throttle.
[774.82] Koel: Totally.
[775.82] Koel: Totally.
[776.82] Koel: Yeah, I was, I was dicking around with that for a while because there was a point in time
[780.46] Koel: where my throttle, like after like maybe like the first year and a half, two years of my
[783.78] Koel: radio, like it was getting a little loose, so I had to figure out how to like take my
[787.06] Koel: radio apart, go in, like tighten up the, whatever the tension thing on it was.
[792.78] Koel: And yeah, it's like, oh, you do it too far.
[796.22] Koel: And then now you get that like ratcheted feel and then it's like you, you take it off
[801.22] Koel: a little bit.
[802.22] Koel: Okay.
[803.22] Koel: Oh, now it's too loose.
[804.22] Koel: Now it's too tight.
[805.22] Koel: You have to find that, that sweet spot.
[806.74] Curry: That's it.
[807.74] Curry: Can I, can I also complain?
[809.46] Curry: I've got another complaint to make.
[810.9] Curry: Where'd it go?
[812.26] Curry: Fire away.
[813.26] Curry: What have I done now?
[816.26] Curry: What's Jack done?
[817.26] Jack: Fire away.
[818.26] Stephen: I am.
[819.26] Stephen: Explain that excruciating detail.
[821.14] Curry: I'm complaining.
[822.14] Curry: I'm exactly where we're wrong.
[823.14] Curry: How long I have spent on this stupid quad.
[827.02] Curry: If you look at this big bundle of crap and wires there, this is the run cam wifi link,
[832.34] Curry: which we've managed to stick in a quad.
[834.26] Curry: I think I put this together on Monday and then it didn't work like no picture.
[841.06] Curry: And I found three issues eventually with this thing.
[847.26] Curry: Like the first one was the cable that connected the wifi board to the camera board would sometimes
[854.14] Curry: have a dodgy connection.
[855.9] Curry: Not always.
[856.9] Curry: Sometimes.
[857.9] Curry: So I cut that off and soldered it on.
[860.5] Curry: And then it's like, oh, that's weird.
[861.9] Curry: It's still not quite working.
[863.14] Curry: Why is that?
[864.74] Curry: And then I kind of figured out that it sounded like occasionally like the fan would just
[869.94] Curry: flicker and go up again.
[873.22] Curry: And although this is supposed to work from nine to 30 volts, I was running it from a
[877.26] Curry: 10 volt back on the board, which successfully runs like a WalkSnail system, was just not
[886.46] Curry: providing enough power for some reason.
[888.62] Curry: So then I had to wire that up directly off the 6S input and that kind of fixed that thing.
[897.62] Curry: And then the other problem I had is you see at the back here, you've got the wires kind
[902.42] Curry: of sticking out.
[904.18] Curry: And I found that, hello, little wires.
[907.02] Curry: If I tucked them in, it seemed like the two boards, something on it was particularly sensitive
[912.1] Curry: to having the wires there.
[914.14] Curry: So if that was tucked in, also wouldn't work.
[916.7] Curry: So they're now out.
[917.7] Curry: And I started this on Monday, it's now Thursday, and it's now ready to fly.
[922.38] Curry: And I spent an awful lot of time being very annoyed and SSHing to it saying, well, why
[928.46] Curry: is wifi broadcast not working?
[930.98] Curry: And why is it detected the network card?
[933.78] Curry: It's not working.
[934.78] Stephen: It sounds like you've got a bird that's going to work perfectly on the bench, but it's going
[938.78] Stephen: to absolutely guarantee to fail the instant you walk outside with it.
[943.1] Curry: Yeah, the chance of it actually flying now is slim to none.
[947.1] Curry: But I have to, I haven't made myself a proper adapter to plug it into my goggles yet.
[952.7] Curry: I have to do that at some point.
[954.9] Stephen: Yeah, it sounds like if anything, your wiring setup hasn't gotten cleaner, but it's gotten
[959.54] Stephen: more complex.
[960.54] Stephen: The longer this project's gone on, instead of it being condensed, you've actually just
[964.26] Stephen: attached more and more stuff to open IPC.
[967.3] Curry: Yes, what I wanted to do is use the iMacs stuff, but I thought, oh, well, I've got the
[973.38] Curry: run camp thing.
[974.38] Curry: I can't really just ignore that and go on to the iMacs.
[976.78] Curry: I'll have to set this up in a quad first.
[979.62] Curry: And then that took a week.
[981.22] Curry: So that's kind of annoying.
[982.82] Curry: So that's a bit of a waste of time.
[984.86] Jack: Yeah, it's always the way though.
[988.3] Jack: Sometimes you just throw a quad together to test stuff.
[992.22] Jack: And you're in the situation you're in where the quad fails and lets you down and you can't
[999.62] Jack: test the new bit of equipment or you throw any old shit together because your board doesn't
[1007.02] Jack: work or thought, you know what, they see if these bits actually work that have been like
[1013.34] Jack: sat around for months and have been used as a coaster and a door stop and, you know,
[1018.86] Jack: the dog's chewing on them.
[1021.06] Jack: Yeah.
[1022.06] Jack: And it's the best flying quad in the world.
[1025.22] Jack: And you're just like, why do I bother?
[1027.66] Jack: It goes two ways.
[1029.26] Jack: That's it.
[1030.26] Curry: Yeah.
[1031.26] Curry: Well, just to speak to Mario, you'll be yourself today about the OSD thing using MSP.
[1040.9] Curry: And he says that is in the code base.
[1042.42] Curry: Yeah.
[1043.42] Curry: If we update it and then use beta flight 451, then we can use that.
[1047.62] Curry: And I said, I'm not going to do this on my maiden because it's already probably not going
[1052.26] Curry: to work.
[1053.26] Curry: So let's see if it flies.
[1054.26] Curry: And if that works, then I will update the board and see if we can make the MSP OSD work.
[1059.82] Curry: Because at the moment, I won't have an OSD.
[1062.1] Stephen: I've always got MSP VTX as well.
[1064.14] Stephen: So you can use like MSP to switch VTX channels.
[1068.74] Stephen: So you should be able to use like HTX to change the VTX channels as well as the goggle
[1073.5] Stephen: menu.
[1074.5] Curry: That's quite nifty.
[1075.5] Curry: Yeah.
[1076.5] Curry: I saw they were looking at doing stuff so you could mess with camera settings as well
[1079.58] Curry: there.
[1080.74] Curry: And something about being able to like scan using some little button on a Redex.
[1086.86] Stephen: They really need a backpack.
[1087.86] Stephen: An ESP32 backpack could be so much smaller than that box with all the buttons on and
[1093.1] Stephen: it would just work.
[1094.1] Stephen: Because there's so many channels in that setup, aren't there?
[1097.22] Stephen: There's like 50 channels with Wi-Fi.
[1099.66] Curry: Yeah, there's a lot.
[1102.9] Curry: It's like most of the cards we use work on both 2.4 and 5.8.
[1107.74] Curry: So you've got all the channels.
[1108.74] Curry: So what channel would you like?
[1111.74] Jack: Two bands, all the channels.
[1114.7] Jack: Yeah.
[1115.7] Stephen: Yeah, if they had an ESP backpack like E LRS does, put one of those in the goggles adapter
[1124.94] Stephen: and put one, you know, you've probably got one in your radio, then you could just switch
[1129.02] Stephen: everything in unison.
[1130.02] Stephen: That would be lovely.
[1131.86] Jack: I still can't get my backpack to work on my rapid fire at all and I don't know why.
[1139.42] Jack: It's probably me, but yeah.
[1144.14] Curry: We're saying probably.
[1145.14] Curry: Do you follow the instructions in my very informative tutorial video?
[1149.26] Jack: Yeah, I think so.
[1154.26] Stephen: What a long time ago.
[1157.26] Stephen: Yeah, I just swapped over the module in my Skyzones and that worked.
[1165.26] Jack: TBS Fusion have now released an update for the backpack.
[1173.86] Jack: So if you've got a TBS Fusion and it's got all the new hardware in it, it now supports
[1178.98] Jack: backpack.
[1179.98] Stephen: They do like overlay and stuff in TBS Fusion now, don't they?
[1183.3] Stephen: They've gone to town and they do all sorts of like data overlay on the analog OSD on
[1190.14] Stephen: the goggles.
[1191.14] Koel: Yeah, I use the Fusion and I have like the RSSI bar that sits on the top, which, it's
[1200.18] Koel: not RSSI, but it's like overlay and stuff in TBS Fusion.
[1204.62] Koel: It's not RSSI, it is the diversity, I guess.
[1208.54] Stephen: Yeah, yeah.
[1209.54] Stephen: So the rapid fire has now, but Fusion was actually overlaying data from the goggles onto
[1216.46] Stephen: the module somehow.
[1217.46] Stephen: They had this thing where if you didn't have a flight controller, you could get some stats.
[1222.42] Stephen: I can't remember because I don't know what it was, but there was some fancy stuff going
[1225.18] Stephen: on there.
[1226.18] Jack: I didn't know that.
[1227.18] Koel: Yeah, I actually haven't created my Fusion since I got it, basically.
[1232.42] Jack: Embarrassingly enough, last night, I found out that I still had my goggles in legacy
[1237.22] Jack: mode on the rapid fire, so I haven't been using rapid fire for quite some time.
[1243.3] Jack: Oh, no way.
[1245.3] Curry: Shame would it?
[1248.3] Curry: I'd get Tevin to move mine out of rapid fire because if you've had the situation where
[1253.58] Curry: rapid fire throws a wobbly, when you've got the roll, like, oh my God, I can't deal with
[1258.98] Curry: the fact that the landscape's going past me like this.
[1262.42] Curry: It's like 10 horrific seconds of where you can't determine anything.
[1268.34] Curry: And then it goes, beep, and goes back as, oh my God.
[1271.66] Stephen: You know what?
[1272.66] Stephen: I get asked for large rolling bars, and that's the version of the world I wanted.
[1276.82] Koel: Well, that's the thing that kind of bugs me about the rapid fire because I've actually
[1281.62] Koel: been having, I had this, right before I went away, there was this issue that I was having
[1288.42] Koel: with my Fat Shark HDO goggles, actually.
[1292.3] Koel: And I ruled out everything on my quad, actually, sorry, Jack and I ruled out everything on
[1299.9] Jack: my quad.
[1300.9] Jack: At least give me that, man.
[1303.7] Jack: At least.
[1304.7] Jack: No.
[1305.7] Jack: So we...
[1306.7] Jack: And I'll put the fire out.
[1307.7] Koel: Well, literally, we deconstructed my drone like three times.
[1314.82] Koel: We separated camera, VTX, we separated flight controller, ESC, basically, we just did everything.
[1323.62] Koel: We took everything out of the picture, and I was still getting this issue in my goggles.
[1329.46] Koel: I swapped modules in the goggles, I ended up getting another set of HDO goggles for
[1337.34] Koel: really cheap off some guy on Marketplace, which came with a rapid fire module.
[1342.9] Koel: I ended up getting them for like, I think it was like less than 100 bucks or something
[1349.66] Koel: like that.
[1350.66] Koel: It was insane.
[1351.66] Koel: And it was like, basically, I was like, okay, if I'm going to go away, I want to have some
[1356.54] Koel: goggles that aren't giving me this weird thing.
[1359.78] Koel: So yeah, we determined that there's some weird electrical or some kind of noise thing with
[1365.58] Koel: my HDOs.
[1366.58] Koel: Because, like I said, we swapped the modules, we narrowed down, it's not the quad.
[1373.46] Koel: It's not showing up in the DVR, which is another weird thing.
[1377.54] Koel: So it's actually just something happening internally on the goggles with the screens
[1382.1] Koel: or whatever is going on with it.
[1384.26] Koel: So the other goggles don't do it, none of the receiver modules do it.
[1388.22] Koel: But back to what I was saying, I guess, about the rapid fire was, so the new goggles I got
[1393.02] Koel: came with a rapid fire module, and I've never used that before.
[1395.82] Koel: But all the beeping that happens is so annoying.
[1399.62] Koel: When you're flying, you get all this beeping going on, you're like, beeping usually doesn't
[1404.1] Koel: mean a good thing, in my mind, other than like the quad is arming or disarming.
[1408.66] Koel: But then I'm like, oh, no, it's just like selecting its best whatever.
[1413.66] Stephen: But yeah, no, you can't disable the beeping, I think in the menu.
[1417.26] Koel: Oh, can you?
[1418.26] Jack: He probably needs to update it, which he doesn't like doing.
[1421.86] Koel: Yeah, I'm an anti update.
[1424.94] Stephen: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm on the opposite.
[1427.66] Stephen: I just obsessively update anything I get my hands on
[1431.86] Stephen: and then deal with the massive amount of fallout that inevitably happens as a result of aggressively
[1436.3] Stephen: updating stuff.
[1437.74] Jack: Yeah, would you like to have your your little pony pony day?
[1443.38] Koel: Oh, what's my pony day?
[1446.06] Jack: I don't know whether you've got access to your messages, but I was updating my
[1450.82] Jack: my third AM 32 ESC and Facebook messages or messages were Apple people.
[1463.06] Koel: Come on.
[1464.06] Koel: Oh, messages.
[1465.06] Koel: Okay.
[1466.06] Koel: Okay.
[1467.06] Koel: But messages is Facebook, isn't it?
[1468.06] Koel: Or is that message?
[1469.06] Koel: Yeah.
[1470.06] Jack: Oh, geez.
[1471.06] Jack: Sorry to be like me.
[1472.06] Koel: So are you talking about the video that you sent me?
[1476.34] Jack: Yeah.
[1477.46] Jack: So dating in covers like, nah, you know, you can't you can't put be only 32 back on them
[1484.02] Jack: like, maybe he's dead.
[1486.94] Jack: Like there's no, you know, there's no upgrade path and 32 is only going to get better, hopefully.
[1493.98] Jack: And you know, I'm, you know, I might move to the Voltara at last.
[1500.58] Jack: For some reason, ESC number three just just wouldn't flash.
[1507.3] Jack: Can anyone, can anyone spot the problem?
[1510.26] Stephen: It's a lot of solder down there, mate.
[1512.86] Jack: Yeah.
[1513.86] Jack: There's a little solder bridge from a resistor to an empty pad.
[1518.74] Jack: The reason is because of me, couldn't help myself, couldn't help just, you know, I wanted
[1529.26] Jack: to touch up those pads.
[1532.02] Jack: And yeah, frisky with the pads.
[1535.3] Jack: Yeah.
[1536.3] Koel: Yeah.
[1537.3] Koel: Yeah.
[1538.3] Koel: You can just see that blob sitting on the resistor, like the black resistor there.
[1542.02] Koel: It's not very happy.
[1544.14] Jack: So Cole relished in the fact that he was right.
[1551.14] Koel: Yeah.
[1552.14] Koel: I'm like, there's no, it has to be like, well, what we learned or what we should know now
[1558.1] Koel: is that most of the problems that happen in this hobby are generally our fault.
[1563.38] Koel: Jack's.
[1564.38] Koel: Jack's fault.
[1565.62] Jack: Next t-shirt Frank releases, it just says blame Jack.
[1571.86] Stephen: Yeah.
[1572.86] Stephen: Yeah.
[1573.86] Stephen: It's a struggle.
[1574.86] Stephen: I mean, once you even make these kind of updates, I do them a lot, but I do kind of take a deep
[1582.62] Stephen: breath when I do them.
[1583.62] Stephen: So I know sometimes I'm going to be there for a long haul, you know, this is going to
[1587.06] Stephen: be like a lot of sweating and swearing.
[1589.9] Stephen: And I'm just going to wish that I'd never started whatever it was I'm sure I, I, I've
[1598.46] Jack: now taken to crossing my fingers before it's in the flash, but that's not necessarily a
[1606.66] Koel: bad thing, but you know what, like you get that, you get to internally look at yourself.
[1614.28] Koel: You get to, you know, internalize choices.
[1617.8] Koel: Yeah.
[1618.8] Koel: Yeah.
[1619.8] Koel: But, but then sometimes things work out and you're like, this is cool, man.
[1624.84] Koel: This is exactly why I'm doing this stuff.
[1627.12] Stephen: Yeah.
[1628.12] Stephen: And sometimes you enable that one cool feature that just makes your life so much easier.
[1632.12] Stephen: I know.
[1633.12] Stephen: Yeah.
[1634.12] Jack: It's welcome.
[1635.12] Jack: Like stick overlay.
[1636.52] Jack: When you're trying to run, this doesn't work properly.
[1642.68] Jack: That was my one free swear.
[1644.44] Jack: Sorry, editor.
[1645.44] Jack: Ah, speaking of which.
[1647.44] Jack: Grounded.
[1648.44] Jack: Dance.
[1649.44] Jack: Dance cap.
[1650.44] Jack: Remind me at the end of the show, there was a email about, um, Patreon.
[1655.4] Jack: Oh.
[1656.4] Jack: Yeah.
[1657.4] Jack: How, uh, yeah.
[1658.4] Jack: So yeah.
[1659.4] Stephen: Has anyone seen orders for, for the latest Tony dung gap?
[1663.12] Stephen: Yeah.
[1664.12] Frank: Have you discussed anything, Frank?
[1667.28] Frank: There was at least one order, but I suspect that was used.
[1670.96] Frank: Yeah.
[1671.96] Jack: Yeah.
[1672.96] Jack: Yeah.
[1673.96] Stephen: I'll put, you know, our audience to, you know, buy stupid Christmas gifts, obviously.
[1681.4] Koel: Yeah.
[1682.4] Koel: And where can we find these stupid Christmas gifts, everyone, uh, let's throw it out.com.
[1688.24] Frank: There's a shop.
[1689.24] Stephen: Yeah.
[1690.24] Stephen: There's a link from let's throw it out.com and you can find all manner of Christmas gifts
[1694.92] Stephen: suitable for the whole family.
[1698.0] Frank: If you want, if you like the logo, but don't like the product that it's on, you can go
[1702.64] Frank: to the listing and there's a customized button at the top and you can pick out of like hundreds
[1708.24] Frank: of different t-shirts and hoodies and dog bandanas and individual socks, individual socks,
[1715.56] Frank: but anything, anything you can imagine, there'll probably be something in some gold color.
[1721.68] Frank: Fantastic.
[1722.68] Jack: I might, depending on how this month goes, pick up a Tony Dunn Gatwick mug.
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[1757.52] Jack: Clive, what ESC do I need to, what am I doing to that ESC?
[1763.08] Jack: I can't remember, it's so long ago, I've completely forgotten.
[1766.64] Jack: It's a half conversation, totally forgotten.
[1772.92] Jack: Cole, you've been doing incredible things.
[1779.16] Jack: I don't know how much you're willing to talk about it, but I hope you enjoyed that 49 gram
[1787.36] Jack: mini alien.
[1788.36] Jack: No, Apex, I sent you.
[1791.36] Koel: That was a very sweet drone.
[1794.36] Koel: Thanks for sending me that with the Naked GoPro.
[1796.36] Koel: Yeah.
[1797.36] Koel: Amazing man.
[1798.36] Jack: Yeah.
[1799.36] Jack: I think you've lost it.
[1801.36] Koel: Yeah, I am sorry about that.
[1804.84] Koel: I did plan on getting it back to you, at least in partial pieces, but yeah, she gone.
[1812.32] Koel: But yeah, no, dude, I took a little trip and I did a little flying and I had a lot of fun
[1820.04] Koel: actually.
[1821.04] Koel: Let me see if I can pull up a little some something.
[1827.08] Koel: Let's see.
[1828.08] Curry: I didn't hear about the lost stuff.
[1829.8] Curry: I was looking at the videos you were sending in our group chat.
[1834.04] Curry: I didn't know something went missing.
[1836.44] Koel: Yeah, it was it was a very unfortunate mishap, believe it or not, but he did find an SD card
[1846.84] Jack: that you will see footage belongs to the owner of the SD card, but it makes for interesting
[1854.92] Curry: viewing.
[1855.92] Curry: It would be suspicious if it flashes up Koala FPV on this unknown SD card.
[1862.32] Jack: If you do happen to recognize it, please email I'mNotTheFAA at legstrownout.com.
[1872.4] Koel: You can see this, right?
[1873.4] Jack: It looks a lot like Canada.
[1875.68] Koel: Yeah, very Canadian here, yeah.
[1879.08] Stephen: I think it's international waters.
[1882.36] Stephen: So the hallmarks of international waters, what with the mountains.
[1885.68] Jack: How far out you have to be to be an international water?
[1889.16] Jack: Is it like six miles or something?
[1890.88] Stephen: 14 or something?
[1891.88] Jack: I thought it was 12.
[1892.88] Jack: Is it 14?
[1893.88] Curry: I don't know.
[1894.88] Curry: I had 12 in my head as well, but I don't know why.
[1898.48] Koel: Well, this was definitely within visual line of sight over water, so I'm fine.
[1904.48] Koel: Yeah.
[1905.48] Koel: Yeah.
[1906.48] Koel: Yeah.
[1907.48] Koel: But yeah, I know this was just a little.
[1910.48] Jack: I mean, you're flying back to yourself, clearly.
[1913.28] Jack: Yeah.
[1914.28] Koel: I'm at the top.
[1915.92] Koel: I went for a nice hike and I decided to, you know, go up and down and go up and down and
[1921.96] Koel: all around.
[1922.96] Koel: Nice and smooth.
[1926.84] Koel: Very smooth.
[1927.84] Koel: Thank you, GoPro.
[1930.6] Koel: Naked GoPro.
[1931.6] Stephen: You only got naked one, have you?
[1934.04] Koel: Yeah.
[1935.04] Koel: Well, I did.
[1937.04] Koel: Luckily, I was smart and I backed some things up before, after each flight, actually.
[1944.84] Stephen: What did it disappear, then?
[1947.96] Koel: It actually went into the pits of hell, mainly.
[1953.8] Koel: Yeah.
[1954.8] Koel: Yeah.
[1955.8] Koel: Like, but yeah, so, but yeah, so I did, I did get to do a bit of flying.
[1963.44] Koel: I got to do a bit of a bit of fun, but I'll have some more videos and stuff coming out
[1969.52] Koel: over the next while and it's going to be pretty sweet.
[1973.92] Koel: Can't wait to show you guys.
[1977.03] Stephen: Nice.
[1978.03] Stephen: So did you lose it as a result of loss of signal?
[1980.47] Stephen: Is it anything that GPS would have helped with?
[1983.19] Koel: No, it was just, honestly, me being stupid.
[1986.43] Koel: It was like, well, not being stupid, but, you know, flying analog video and not seeing
[1992.27] Koel: a branch.
[1993.27] Stephen: Yeah.
[1994.27] Stephen: Let's see.
[1995.27] Stephen: Yeah.
[1996.27] Stephen: That's the worst.
[1997.27] Koel: That's the worst.
[1998.27] Koel: Yeah.
[2000.27] Koel: One quad down so far in this, this journey of mine and it's not too bad.
[2007.51] Koel: Yeah, I'll take it.
[2008.51] Frank: Oh, you literally.
[2009.51] Koel: Yeah.
[2010.51] Koel: And the number one rule I have learned is if you're going to send out a drone and you
[2017.03] Koel: don't have GPS rescue set up, back it up every time it gets home, back up the footage every
[2022.79] Koel: time it gets back to you.
[2024.67] Stephen: 100%.
[2025.67] Koel: Yeah.
[2027.47] Jack: So, yeah, it got to a point where I was friends with Tony that I stock unused SD cards, just
[2041.63] Jack: throw them at him like I never even requested stuff.
[2045.43] Koel: It's like fly a pack new SD card, fly a pack new SD card.
[2050.35] Jack: Yeah.
[2051.35] Koel: Well, that was the one and only thing when I was in Taiwan, actually, it was like I would
[2055.35] Koel: send it out and then, okay, I'd come back in and I only had two batteries.
[2060.75] Koel: So like, basically, I'd, okay, that battery's done.
[2063.99] Koel: Leave it for a little bit.
[2064.99] Koel: Chuck it back on the charger.
[2066.19] Koel: But after every flight, make sure I have my laptop with the hard drive.
[2070.15] Koel: Okay.
[2071.15] Koel: Plug in the SD card.
[2072.15] Koel: Do the backup.
[2073.15] Koel: Take the SD card back out.
[2074.15] Koel: Put it back in the GoPro.
[2075.15] Koel: Okay.
[2076.15] Koel: Now I can go fly again and rinse and repeat every time.
[2079.35] Jack: There must be some sort of like Linux pie distro where you've got like a Linux pie and
[2087.15] Jack: you just plug in an SD card and it just all the crap off you.
[2091.83] Stephen: Yeah.
[2092.83] Stephen: Just takes it.
[2093.83] Stephen: Yeah.
[2094.83] Stephen: You could do that with a UW rule.
[2095.83] Stephen: You have a UW rule, like whenever it sees a device attached, it triggers a sync operation.
[2100.99] Jack: That's cool.
[2101.99] Jack: We make that product, Steven.
[2102.99] Stephen: I would love that, man.
[2106.11] Stephen: We are doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence, Jack.
[2109.39] Stephen: What can happen is I can point you to some wiki articles and you can make that product
[2115.23] Stephen: so it can be.
[2116.23] Frank: Well, at least Jack does have some genuine professional experience.
[2119.39] Frank: Yeah.
[2120.39] Stephen: He's got the following expertise.
[2121.79] Stephen: But yeah.
[2122.79] Stephen: Yeah.
[2123.79] Stephen: Okay.
[2124.79] Stephen: We'll make that product, Jack.
[2125.79] Stephen: Sorry.
[2126.79] Stephen: I'm just on, I'm on a down day.
[2127.79] Stephen: I'm sorry.
[2128.79] Stephen: Full of negativity.
[2129.79] Jack: After everything I put you through, you can just help like Jack **** off.
[2134.11] Jack: I'm surprised you showed up and just didn't go, you're a dickhead.
[2137.71] Jack: It's been challenging.
[2138.71] Stephen: Been challenging.
[2139.71] Stephen: I'm sorry.
[2140.71] Koel: The FX note says, is there not Wi-Fi on the GoPro?
[2144.07] Koel: I mean, there.
[2145.07] Koel: Yeah.
[2146.07] Koel: We don't talk about that.
[2147.07] Stephen: It is dog **** though, isn't it?
[2149.19] Stephen: I mean, there's Wi-Fi on a GoPro, but it is jank and it's just so much quicker to plug
[2153.79] Stephen: the thing in.
[2154.79] Koel: Yeah.
[2155.79] Koel: I've just trying to load and play back from a GoPro is like, you're basically, you know,
[2162.07] Koel: punching yourself in the face because you're like, okay, the things you're waiting to like
[2167.63] Stephen: act as a half baked viewfinder.
[2169.71] Stephen: And that's about what it's good for.
[2171.59] Koel: Yeah.
[2172.59] Koel: With like data mashing every like few frames.
[2174.95] Curry: That's the one thing I used to hate on holiday is like, if I don't take a laptop with me,
[2179.59] Curry: so I have to sync the Insta or my GoPro to my phone and he just literally sat there for
[2184.43] Curry: an hour waiting for footage to come over to play it and go, no, I don't want that.
[2189.43] Curry: That's crap.
[2190.43] Curry: Yeah.
[2191.79] Curry: Waiting every hour.
[2192.79] Stephen: As much as one of us is awesome for convenience, if you would just want to get jobs done, cables
[2198.91] Stephen: every time.
[2199.91] Koel: Oh, yeah.
[2200.91] Koel: Plug it in straight to the mean line that dude, but yeah, you could have a PI that's
[2208.43] Stephen: powered from like a LiPo or a couple of 18650s through like a Beck and the PI has its own,
[2217.03] Stephen: maybe like a SATA drive connected via USB and it runs like our sync or something so
[2222.51] Stephen: it can tell if files have changed and it just copies the changed files off your GoPro each
[2227.17] Stephen: time and just acts like a big dumping ground.
[2231.35] Koel: How physically big would one of those be?
[2235.07] Stephen: PI zero W's are pretty small though, like eight centimeters by two centimeters, that
[2241.75] Stephen: sort of size.
[2242.75] Stephen: It's small.
[2243.75] Curry: Did I drain this?
[2246.47] Curry: At some point you have a Wi-Fi SD card.
[2249.19] Curry: Maybe it was a full size SD card, so when you took it, it could upload them automatically
[2253.51] Curry: for you or something.
[2254.51] Stephen: Yeah, they exist.
[2255.51] Stephen: They're like way over the price to what they are, which is a really crap computer jammed
[2260.13] Stephen: inside a large SD card.
[2262.13] Stephen: The reason you don't get it in micro SD cards is you're basically buying like a micro SD
[2266.71] Stephen: card with something that's like the chip they put in your ELRS module, like one of those
[2272.81] Stephen: really tiny chips that's got like a token Wi-Fi ability and that's jammed inside the
[2277.29] Stephen: big SD card housing.
[2281.25] Stephen: It syncs your photos.
[2282.25] Stephen: They charge through the roof for those things and they're kind of terrible.
[2286.73] Frank: They don't last very long is my understanding.
[2290.57] Frank: Turns out thermal issues happen quite a lot when you're on an SD card in the middle of
[2297.61] Frank: a camera or some other device that is already quite hot.
[2301.21] Stephen: Yeah, that's the big downside with micro SDs in general, man.
[2305.61] Stephen: I've had to put fans on them and they still just get slower and then they stop transferring
[2310.65] Stephen: data even with a fan on them.
[2314.41] Jack: That's why you have to make up the whole SanDisk 10 year warranty, but it means keeping the
[2321.07] Jack: receipts and the little number that's etched into them.
[2327.13] Stephen: Yeah, I was grateful for failsafe's ingenuity when he built the little voron that's sitting
[2333.65] Stephen: over my shoulder there and instead of using a micro SD, you put like a USB hard drive
[2339.01] Stephen: on there, which is just a decision I'm very happy he did.
[2344.05] Stephen: Is that the 3D printer?
[2347.37] Stephen: Yeah.
[2348.37] Stephen: 3D printer.
[2349.37] Koel: Oh, props off as saying to Curry Kitten there, thanks for the rapid fire speedb comparison
[2354.61] Koel: video.
[2355.61] Jack: I hovered this 6S quad in my room after doing a bit of...
[2365.37] Stephen: When you say 6S, do you mean 6 normal S or were they in fact 6 vape cells?
[2370.25] Jack: They were 4 vape cells, but in...
[2375.97] Koel: In 3P?
[2376.97] Koel: In 3S.
[2377.97] Koel: 3S, 4P.
[2378.97] Jack: With that tiny wire and it hovered.
[2382.09] Jack: How long for?
[2383.65] Jack: Not long, but it worked.
[2386.65] Jack: Until it caught fire.
[2387.65] Jack: Yeah.
[2388.65] Jack: Yeah.
[2389.65] Jack: I mean, it worked.
[2390.65] Jack: It's possible.
[2391.65] Jack: Thank you.
[2392.65] Jack: Well done.
[2393.65] Jack: There's there's wing stickers for you here.
[2396.85] Jack: They are the last ones unless you want me to get more made.
[2401.81] Stephen: So what's next for the vape cell quad?
[2403.85] Stephen: Are you able to continue or have you sweated enough adrenaline sweat flying back in your
[2409.49] Stephen: room already?
[2410.73] Jack: I've been using it with a battery operated soldering iron randomly and I've also been
[2420.73] Jack: using it to power the Fat Sharks.
[2424.81] Jack: Hence why I discovered it has a 3S.
[2428.69] Jack: Yeah.
[2429.69] Jack: Then.
[2430.69] Jack: Yeah.
[2431.69] Jack: They run.
[2432.69] Jack: Believe it or not, I use the I repaired that cable thing that you had Frank.
[2440.89] Jack: Who made it?
[2442.49] Frank: I don't believe it.
[2445.69] Frank: Furious.
[2448.69] Jack: Yeah.
[2449.69] Jack: I changed the end of that.
[2450.69] Jack: So I use it with that.
[2451.69] Jack: And then, you know, I was trying to I was trying to get the backpack to work.
[2456.17] Jack: It looks like it's bound because it's a solid blue LED, but I can't.
[2460.37] Jack: It just doesn't work.
[2462.37] Jack: I don't know.
[2463.37] Stephen: Here on the web interface.
[2467.06] Jack: No.
[2470.06] Jack: About that.
[2472.62] Jack: My.
[2474.14] Jack: Wi-Fi hubs changed.
[2476.9] Jack: So I need to I need to tell it the new Wi-Fi hub.
[2482.14] Stephen: It'll just come up with its own Wi-Fi AP.
[2484.34] Stephen: If it can't find anything, it'll be called like Express LRS.
[2488.34] Jack: It just doesn't seem to do that.
[2491.46] Jack: And it's not.
[2492.5] Jack: I need I need you or Curry or.
[2496.54] Jack: Someone who's not me to look at that.
[2500.74] Jack: I just don't understand.
[2502.54] Jack: Oh, well, looks like we're stuck then.
[2510.1] Curry: I wasn't listening for the first bit.
[2511.42] Curry: What do I have to do?
[2512.42] Curry: Something about the second bit.
[2514.62] Curry: I'll put it together.
[2515.26] Curry: Yeah.
[2516.26] Jack: The the the LRS back back in my rapid fire.
[2519.38] Stephen: He hasn't actually flashed it by the sound of it.
[2521.42] Stephen: He's flashed something to it, but not the thing that actually puts the Wi-Fi access
[2524.66] Stephen: point. QED ain't worth it.
[2529.31] Jack: I just don't understand the LRS script.
[2532.63] Jack: I don't understand.
[2535.27] Jack: There's no there's no what it is.
[2537.63] Jack: Is I've been so conditioned to devices that beep at me.
[2541.83] Jack: But just having a single LED is just not enough for me to communicate with that
[2545.95] Jack: device.
[2547.23] Jack: And you try making at it.
[2548.75] Jack: Maybe just in a shoot to a communication.
[2551.67] Jack: They're barking at it.
[2553.15] Koel: But did you try the Rocky Balboa running up some stairs?
[2564.35] Curry: Yeah.
[2564.59] Curry: What did you flash it with?
[2565.51] Curry: Did you flash with the right stuff?
[2566.79] Curry: I'm saying vague things now because I can't remember how I did the backpack and I'm
[2569.95] Curry: not using the backpack anymore.
[2571.15] Curry: So I've taken out like, well, I got I did do it at one point and I made a video about
[2575.47] Curry: it. So I must be an expert.
[2577.51] Jack: Oh, yeah, I might.
[2578.51] Jack: I might plug it in.
[2580.63] Jack: I might.
[2581.15] Jack: I might just plug it in somewhere.
[2583.43] Koel: Because I'm completely ignorant, what is this term you mean by backpack?
[2587.47] Koel: You mean like a module?
[2589.47] Stephen: It's like an Express LRS module, except it's purely to make your goggles change
[2594.19] Stephen: channel. So you have one in your radio and you have one in the quad and those allow
[2601.07] Stephen: the HDX radio to change the channel on the quad.
[2603.87] Stephen: Right. Well, they did was make this into some whole ecosystem thing like the TBS
[2609.43] Stephen: fusion, something, something, but just completely, you know, any any radio, any
[2615.19] Stephen: goggles. So you can take an existing module, TBS fusion and rapid fire and the
[2621.79] Stephen: Skyzone ones as well and chuck in one of these little I think they're about four
[2625.91] Stephen: pounds, five dollars Express LRS backpacks, which is the Wi-Fi chip, but it doesn't
[2632.27] Stephen: have the LoRa chipset.
[2634.19] Stephen: It just does the near range Wi-Fi.
[2637.39] Stephen: And it means that when you take your HDX radio and you change channel on that in the
[2642.71] Stephen: LoRa script and it sends it to the quad, your radio is also forming a network with
[2647.43] Stephen: your goggles and the goggles change channel in unison with the quad.
[2651.43] Koel: Gotcha. Yeah.
[2652.27] Koel: Yeah. And that's right, because fusion, TBS fusion module and Crossfire have that, you
[2661.19] Koel: know, have that capability.
[2662.55] Koel: And is that is that what I'm talking about?
[2664.39] Koel: Is that is that my BTS or something?
[2667.07] Stephen: Yeah, it's the same ecosystem that TBS fusion does, but just for all the LRS stuff.
[2673.91] Koel: Gotcha. OK. Yeah.
[2676.55] Koel: I guess I just I never have used that really.
[2682.55] Koel: But I guess it can be handy.
[2684.71] Stephen: And as props off say here that the module can also do other stuff because once you
[2689.75] Stephen: shut something in your goggles, that's talking to your radio, it can be used for
[2692.79] Stephen: interesting things. So the backpack with with the gyro attached to it can also perform
[2698.19] Stephen: head tracking, tracking duties and speak to the radio.
[2701.47] Stephen: Nice. That's how to use on there to like take like an MBU 6000 or some other gyro and
[2708.51] Stephen: and just solder that up to to the backpack.
[2712.79] Stephen: Man, I know. Actually, I'm getting the thing flashed is a pain in the butt.
[2719.11] Stephen: And if you haven't got it flashed already, it's like, you know, break out this FTDI
[2722.75] Stephen: adapters and. Yeah, and then dig out whichever alkane software you're operating system
[2728.63] Stephen: requires to use an FTDI adapter and do it from that, which is just yeah, it is the painful
[2733.83] Stephen: way of dealing with express LRS.
[2735.31] Stephen: It's like, you know, stuff's gone south, right?
[2737.99] Stephen: Get the FTDI adapter out and actually speak direct to the MCU, much like Jack is doing
[2742.51] Stephen: with his flashing of.
[2745.87] Stephen: And 32, what you what you got there, you're going to do it from your radio, Jack.
[2750.75] Jack: Just a solid blue light.
[2752.99] Jack: That's it. And my radio is an even on.
[2756.87] Jack: So yeah, you're not working that guy out.
[2760.51] Stephen: Flash it via TDI, get firmware on there and make sure you can get to the Wi-Fi access point.
[2765.31] Stephen: That's operation number one.
[2767.95] Curry: OK, so it might be created its own access point like a normal thing after.
[2775.59] Curry: Yeah, that's why I'm thinking it isn't flashed or it's not booting correctly.
[2779.55] Jack: Oh, you flashed it with the wrong and yeah, I think I flashed it wrong.
[2785.79] Curry: There's a chance.
[2787.27] Curry: Yeah, I do remember doing it and having to ask a lot of questions of the express LRS
[2792.27] Curry: Discord, but it was fairly new at that point.
[2794.83] Curry: I'm hoping it should be a little bit more helpful people out there.
[2798.23] Stephen: You'll end up with it with an essay on how to do it as soon as you ask who.
[2802.79] Jack: Yeah, I might I might go there and just be like, who wants to shove their hand up my
[2809.19] Jack: ass and work me like I'm up there.
[2812.03] Jack: Also, who wants to fix that?
[2815.27] Stephen: Yeah, I know.
[2816.39] Stephen: It's the internet. You have to be specific.
[2818.87] Curry: Yeah, unfortunately, that's Jack's first question to all discord groups, which is why he
[2822.79] Curry: doesn't stay there for very long.
[2824.79] Curry: Yeah, I know.
[2826.39] Curry: It's not a wanted list.
[2827.47] Jack: And from 97, I'm going for the 100 before Christmas.
[2834.81] Curry: Yeah, part of the reason I didn't use the backpack in the end is it would.
[2840.41] Curry: It was fighting with if it was set up via if I did something via smart audio, and then
[2847.21] Curry: the backpack would be like, hang on a sec.
[2849.29] Curry: I'm doing it.
[2850.21] Curry: And the radio would then change it back to what it wanted and do the goggles the same
[2854.29] Curry: way. It's like, I think actually I want to do my things through like smart audio and
[2860.49] Curry: do it that way rather than do it through the radio.
[2863.09] Curry: Also, all my cards are set are one at all times unless I have to change it.
[2867.93] Curry: I'm flying with other people.
[2869.17] Curry: So it's not not a big deal.
[2871.61] Koel: Yeah, I don't even know the last time I changed my channel.
[2873.89] Koel: I'm like, I mean, smart audio is great to have.
[2876.85] Koel: But and this backpack thing is obviously great to have if you're in certain scenarios.
[2880.93] Koel: But mine's like a set it and forget it type of scenario.
[2886.89] Jack: I don't know whether to go back to ghost, but you can't get the receivers.
[2891.25] Jack: So I think I know the answer to that.
[2894.57] Stephen: Yeah, so there's definitely some integration with with racing props of mentions
[2898.65] Stephen: here. And I thought that they were using this stuff to also control, you know, which
[2904.21] Stephen: pilots are taking part in a specific heat and make sure that their channel assignment
[2910.05] Stephen: was sane. I'm trying to remember exactly how the integration goes, but I thought there
[2914.41] Stephen: were a few out there where backpacks were able to participate in race direction.
[2921.13] Stephen: Maybe I'm pulling this out my bum, but I seem to remember it being talked about an
[2924.77] Stephen: awful lot. I just don't do racing.
[2927.21] Curry: Anyone heard anything about that?
[2929.41] Curry: No, it's like what you're saying is like there's a vague like that seems to ring true,
[2933.77] Curry: but I can't think of the specifics about it.
[2936.09] Curry: So we're all just sort of dreaming it and thinking, well, that'd be quite useful.
[2939.33] Curry: Or we have actually heard of something about it.
[2942.01] Curry: Yeah, I'm pretty sure we have.
[2944.01] Curry: I remember more about like Tramp being in the sort of and the magic wand that being a
[2951.05] Curry: race director thing to like, I'm going to set you to 25 milliwatts on this channel and
[2956.61] Curry: you could just touch your quad without being powered up.
[2959.97] Jack: And it was like, I found my wand and hilariously, I had written the word Hitachi on
[2968.69] Jack: the end of it.
[2972.05] Stephen: So it was a massager then never would have seen that coming.
[2975.65] Koel: Yeah, I still have a sealed Tramp actually.
[2979.37] Frank: I think I do somewhere.
[2981.17] Curry: Hoarding hardware.
[2982.77] Curry: And I still need to borrow Jack's magical wand, which can break my
[2988.41] Jack: his hatches.
[2993.73] Jack: But I'm, mate, I've built a whole tripod during the hope of being able to see you one day.
[3001.49] Curry: Say me one day.
[3002.93] Jack: Can I can I come over and play?
[3007.13] Curry: Yeah.
[3008.61] Curry: Okay, the the only problem we've got now is weather days, which are a bit harder to come by.
[3015.61] Jack: Yeah, mate, I am more than happy just to eat chicken with you.
[3019.01] Jack: And sounds rough might attack you wand on your out of date hardware if you know what I mean.
[3026.57] Curry: Well, that's obviously what we'd be doing most of the time.
[3030.21] Curry: What's Jack doing?
[3031.53] Curry: Uh oh.
[3032.53] Curry: I was finding his wand.
[3034.33] Jack: It's very it's very faded, but oh, see, it is actually it's rubbed off, but it was there.
[3047.61] Koel: It did make me know so many innuendos that could be made.
[3050.73] Koel: And I don't know.
[3051.33] Jack: I don't know where the back battery door is, but it works.
[3054.65] Jack: You just have to hold the battery in and press the button all at the same time.
[3058.97] Frank: I'm looking forward to seeing what type all this podcast ends up happening on the theme.
[3065.61] Curry: It's just going to be called Episode 476.
[3068.73] Frank: Some of the recent titles, I think he's been doing a very good job of coming up with names.
[3075.29] Jack: Are we allowed to name said editor?
[3078.13] Jack: Well, I have now.
[3078.89] Jack: So yeah, you have now.
[3081.65] Frank: He's a shadowy figure.
[3083.73] Frank: The last one was cat cam equals Jacknip.
[3086.89] Jack: I love that.
[3088.13] Frank: Nailed it.
[3089.41] Jack: I was meowing at Sad Cat last night and it came over and sniffed the camera and battered it.
[3095.97] Jack: The footage is in the Discord if you want to watch it.
[3100.65] Jack: And all I got back from Frank was I think we've been discovered.
[3107.01] Jack: I'm loving it, man.
[3108.05] Jack: I get I tell you what, it properly pisses on my chips if it's several birds in a row for a cat.
[3117.17] Curry: I have noticed, interestingly, this is an experiment featuring my dog and cat.
[3123.49] Curry: The cat will react to somebody on a screen and the dog was just like, doesn't know anything about it.
[3131.57] Curry: Why are you holding that phone to my head?
[3133.13] Curry: I don't know what you're doing.
[3135.61] Curry: So cats have more of a chance of talking back to Jack or batting.
[3140.45] Jack: No, it does.
[3141.77] Jack: Frank's got several minutes of footage of me enjoying Sad Cat.
[3149.17] Curry: I was going to talk about flying for next week and what's the forecast.
[3152.73] Curry: But of course, we've all had winds at up to 16000 miles per hour today.
[3157.93] Curry: Yeah.
[3158.53] Curry: So perhaps it's not too trusted.
[3160.69] Frank: As Playa points out, some people have been forecast overnight loads of 400 degrees.
[3166.89] Frank: So yeah.
[3167.41] Frank: Okay.
[3167.97] Koel: So get your sunscreen out back to one million.
[3175.57] Koel: Well, that doesn't look too bad.
[3177.41] Frank: The weather looks pretty good for the weekend.
[3179.05] Frank: Yeah, relatively.
[3182.57] Jack: I think Tony's hoping to come see me if any of you want to come down.
[3190.13] Frank: I need to work out what flights currently.
[3193.29] Jack: Well, there's a battery here for you to fly.
[3196.05] Jack: Well done, Andy.
[3196.77] Frank: I need to find something to put it in, don't I?
[3200.81] Jack: Tom's ironing it up as well.
[3203.29] Jack: He's very intrigued.
[3206.29] Stephen: You're going to fly that pack so far that just catches fire.
[3210.49] Jack: I know Cole's disappeared.
[3211.93] Jack: I think he's got wireless headphones, but I do.
[3214.33] Jack: PSA scanned your batteries.
[3216.53] Jack: I wonder what they'd make of the one that I made.
[3221.21] Jack: I reckon they'd just pull their guns out and just point them at me.
[3225.41] Koel: Well, see, I was really interested when I was going through security.
[3228.37] Koel: Like, and you know, you put your stuff on the little trolley, like whatever,
[3232.85] Koel: the little, I don't know what the heck you call it, but like, see, yeah,
[3237.33] Koel: through on the trays, you walk through the little whatever.
[3240.49] Koel: And then there's a guy sitting at the computer, like inspecting the things
[3242.97] Koel: that are going through the conveyor belt.
[3244.73] Koel: And I'm like, I want to see what he sees when my bag goes through.
[3249.89] Koel: So like, I can see his screen.
[3251.25] Koel: Like I've gone through and I'm looking at it and he's like, I think
[3253.97] Koel: he's like adjusting like the whatever, the weird color contrast stuff that happens.
[3258.73] Koel: And like, all of a sudden I just see like chunk, chunk, chunk, chunk, chunk.
[3264.17] Stephen: And I'm like, break, break out the probe, guys.
[3268.01] Koel: No, dude, I literally took like three or yeah.
[3272.49] Koel: Three, three.
[3274.57] Koel: Yeah, three flights in the last two weeks.
[3279.45] Koel: Nothing.
[3280.41] Koel: And like I see when I looked at the guy's scream, I was going through
[3283.53] Koel: and you just see chunk, chunk, chunk, chunk.
[3285.45] Koel: I'm like, oh no, like, what's he going to make of this?
[3289.01] Koel: But I don't think that batteries are really a red flag unless you have
[3294.25] Koel: like huge ones or a million of them.
[3297.45] Stephen: So yeah, there are no quantity, aren't they?
[3300.93] Stephen: Just everything has batteries now.
[3302.41] Koel: So exactly.
[3304.33] Koel: Yeah.
[3305.41] Koel: Speaking of batteries, I actually, I got a new battery.
[3309.13] Koel: I want to test out, which is it's the, as the, as Chris Rosser would say,
[3314.69] Koel: gold line, but I say O line, but it makes sense that it would be gold line.
[3320.21] Koel: Um, it's a 3000 milliamp hour, uh, Sony VC VTC six, uh, sells us a 30 amp constant.
[3329.81] Koel: You know, you just see them in there and it's, it's, it's pretty small actually.
[3333.61] Koel: So I'm curious to try this one out and see how much flight time I can
[3337.05] Koel: get with just cruising because if I could get, I mean, what I'm thinking
[3343.73] Koel: is with a 13 50 battery on a regular five inch quad, if I'm just cruising on,
[3350.01] Koel: and it's a good battery, like a newer battery, I can get like six minutes of
[3353.33] Koel: flight time.
[3354.61] Koel: So in theory, I should be able to, as long as I'm not like, you know, I
[3360.57] Koel: looked at my DVR too, when I'm cruising, I'm never pulling more than like maybe
[3365.13] Koel: 10 amps, maybe 12 amps or something like that.
[3367.49] Koel: So I'll never, I'll never at a cruising, um, cruising speeds.
[3373.21] Koel: I'll never pull 30 amps with a 3000 or, or three amp hour battery.
[3379.29] Koel: I should be able to get at least, I don't know, 15 minutes.
[3384.13] Koel: I think maybe is that, is that seem feasible or yeah.
[3390.65] Stephen: Yeah, you can run those down to like 2.5 volts as well.
[3393.65] Koel: I am.
[3394.05] Koel: I'm curious to see how these lithium ions work because I've only ever used on my
[3397.97] Koel: seven inch, I've used lithium ions, but I've never used it on a five inch for
[3401.81] Koel: cruising, but five inches is totally capable.
[3404.77] Koel: I just, I want to, I want to experiment a bit.
[3407.33] Koel: So I bought one.
[3408.25] Stephen: That's not the most efficient platform, but it will work just fine.
[3411.41] Stephen: And if you manage the throttle, yeah, I'm not, yeah, yeah.
[3414.65] Koel: Yeah, yeah.
[3415.05] Koel: And the other thing too is I ended up getting a, uh, a GPS just came in.
[3420.61] Koel: It's the Fox here.
[3423.21] Koel: Was it M 10 Q two 50 or something?
[3426.61] Koel: It's like the bigger sized one, which I kind of wish I got the smaller one,
[3432.97] Koel: but I don't know.
[3434.97] Stephen: I've never used, uh, the big ones get a fixed much quicker.
[3439.17] Stephen: Those little small ones.
[3440.17] Stephen: They look neat, but they take an absolute age to get fixed.
[3444.21] Koel: Well.
[3444.37] Koel: And so my only problem now is those, I need, like, I had a 3d print for a GPS
[3449.77] Koel: that was for a BN two 20.
[3451.01] Koel: I was, I didn't check the dimensions or anything, and I was hoping maybe I could
[3454.93] Koel: just like, you know, shove it on the back of that one or tape it on or something.
[3458.77] Koel: But the new one I got is too big for this 3d print.
[3461.69] Koel: So I'm going to need to find somebody or find a, some kind of design or an STL
[3468.13] Koel: that I can either get someone to remix.
[3470.65] Stephen: You need to buy a 3d print tonight.
[3472.73] Stephen: I guess suddenly everything is that much easier.
[3476.85] Koel: Yeah.
[3477.37] Koel: But I don't even, I don't really, like, I could maybe find the space for it, but
[3482.57] Koel: like, I don't have a lot of, um, I don't have a lot of room, I guess.
[3489.25] Curry: And also you're saying, I guess there's a setting and a wall is like next to us.
[3493.93] Curry: And you've got this massive expanse behind you saying, I don't have anything.
[3498.01] Koel: Well, this is only like a couple of feet behind me and it's a closet.
[3503.97] Koel: That's a bathroom.
[3505.37] Koel: I mean, next thing I know my cats are going to like jump on it and then they're
[3509.21] Stephen: going to table against the wall that's on the right view.
[3512.21] Stephen: So Caroline reviewed something that wasn't only small.
[3515.45] Stephen: It was incredibly cheap.
[3516.73] Stephen: It was like, had a build volume of like 10 centimeters wide, but that's
[3520.61] Stephen: enough to do a GoPro mount.
[3522.25] Stephen: It's enough to do skids.
[3523.65] Stephen: It's enough to do GPS.
[3524.85] Stephen: Yeah.
[3524.97] Koel: I don't need a, I don't need anything big.
[3526.57] Koel: Yeah.
[3527.33] Stephen: Yeah.
[3527.61] Stephen: And it was like just over a hundred quid, like on, on Amazon.
[3532.53] Stephen: So you could just next day it.
[3535.01] Curry: And I reviewed one which is about an A4 Sony's printer, which seemed to work
[3541.13] Curry: very well.
[3542.93] Koel: Yeah.
[3543.17] Koel: And then I got to go down the rabbit hole of getting it to work well and, and, and
[3547.17] Koel: tuning it and making it auto levels.
[3551.41] Curry: You shove some filament.
[3553.85] Stephen: It's something small that does TPU and don't put anything, but TPU, just keep TPU
[3558.33] Stephen: in there the whole time and calibrate.
[3560.01] Stephen: Yeah.
[3560.29] Stephen: That is a solution.
[3563.25] Koel: Oh, just wall mount it.
[3565.17] Koel: Yeah.
[3566.73] Koel: Yeah.
[3567.09] Koel: You know what?
[3567.61] Koel: It's just me being like, Oh, I don't understand this.
[3571.57] Koel: I don't want to do something new.
[3573.01] Koel: That's out of my comfort zone.
[3574.89] Stephen: And I'm, I resisted for ages, but then I, after I bought like, I think the, the
[3582.73] Stephen: 15th bit from like bangers, there was some 3d printed part.
[3586.85] Stephen: I just thought, Oh, F this, and, uh, yeah, gave it a go.
[3590.41] Stephen: And then all of a sudden, everything is, it's not free, but it's virtually free.
[3593.97] Stephen: You know, you get so many prints out of a kilo.
[3598.69] Jack: Steven is right.
[3600.45] Jack: You know, it wasn't till someone gave me, um, Gav gave me a turnergy light
[3609.01] Jack: fabricator, which does, uh, 10 centimeter by 10 centimeter by 10 centimeter, like
[3618.37] Jack: print base, and it was, I just got into it and printers have moved on so
[3626.93] Jack: much right now, like, you know, the, the bamboo lab, a one carbon and stuff like
[3633.77] Jack: that, like it literally prints itself.
[3637.93] Jack: You would, it would be harder to get it to, it would be harder to get it to give
[3644.61] Jack: you a burn than to, you can always buy the bamboo stuff.
[3649.73] Stephen: That seems to be the guaranteed way of getting good results, but you
[3652.53] Koel: will, I just looked it up actually.
[3654.93] Koel: And bamboo lab, a one mini 3d printer on sale, normally three 89 Canadian
[3661.09] Koel: on sale for two 50 that's, yeah, that's, you know, that's definitely doable
[3667.25] Koel: because we spend 250 bucks on say some batteries and some motors without
[3672.65] Koel: question, you know what I mean?
[3673.81] Stephen: So if you're going to carry on buying 3d prints remotely and paying
[3677.17] Stephen: 10 bucks in shipping every now and then it doesn't develop.
[3681.93] Jack: I would, I mean, if, if, if you can get one of those to give you a print,
[3690.33] Jack: you're, you're a smart man and I am.
[3694.13] Jack: Yeah.
[3694.65] Jack: Buy a lot of hits, spend more than 50 more dollars on lottery tickets.
[3700.85] Stephen: Didn't both Curry and Andy or see have one of the bamboo ones for a while?
[3706.33] Koel: I think everyone just swears by being now.
[3709.05] Curry: Uh, Creality ones, we've got the same one of those.
[3714.93] Jack: Yeah.
[3715.93] Jack: And we clip it now with wireless transfer.
[3719.61] Jack: There's not, it prints faster.
[3722.41] Jack: Um, and you haven't got like rummaging for SD cards and like that and auto
[3729.49] Jack: level, you've got not only auto level, where it just like goes to each
[3736.89] Jack: corner and you adjust your level.
[3738.61] Jack: It also does a bed mesh.
[3740.85] Jack: So there's a bump on the bed.
[3742.77] Jack: It'll like work around it.
[3744.45] Stephen: Yeah.
[3746.13] Jack: Yeah.
[3746.61] Stephen: Yeah.
[3746.77] Stephen: I mean, I can just look on thing averse and be like, Oh, which
[3749.53] Stephen: exact GoPro mount do I want?
[3751.53] Stephen: And, uh, yeah.
[3753.45] Stephen: And then maybe tweak it a little bit.
[3755.17] Stephen: Be like, Oh, I'd like it a bit with tighter fit.
[3757.21] Stephen: I'll scale it down to be like 98% of the original size and make it nice and tight.
[3763.17] Koel: Yeah.
[3764.37] Koel: Yeah.
[3764.53] Koel: I'll have to find, I'll have to like, the thing is I have a ton of 3d prints
[3769.17] Koel: right now, like for GoPro mounts and, and basically anything I could
[3774.41] Koel: think of that I would need.
[3776.13] Koel: So part of me is like, Oh, am I going to spend 250 bucks plus shipping to get
[3780.37] Koel: this a one for me to make a GPS mount?
[3784.49] Koel: Or do I pay someone five, 10 bucks to do it?
[3787.41] Koel: True.
[3788.49] Stephen: Well, it's like also it's something to do over winter.
[3791.09] Stephen: If you're bored, I suppose it just depends what, what you like to do,
[3794.29] Stephen: whether it's, you know, break out the decks or a guitar or a book or
[3797.37] Stephen: whether you like to take with gadgets.
[3799.57] Frank: If you have a friendly local person who has a working 3d printer, that
[3803.45] Frank: seems to be the best solution.
[3805.17] Frank: And they can deal with the maintenance.
[3807.73] Frank: Exactly.
[3808.89] Jack: They can deal with the, the, the, I'm Frank's bloody 3d printer.
[3815.45] Koel: Which actually technically Jack is mine as well.
[3818.61] Jack: Yeah, I know.
[3819.57] Jack: I, I, I get demanding texts of like, how's it doing now?
[3823.65] Jack: And then I have to like, send like video updates and stuff.
[3827.17] Jack: He's like, I'm, I'm pet sitting for him.
[3831.65] Stephen: But it's a little webcam in front of the 3d printer.
[3834.97] Stephen: You can see the cats in his neighborhood, but he's got to see.
[3839.53] Jack: He was the organ grinder of 3d printing.
[3843.21] Jack: He was the man for 3d printing.
[3846.37] Jack: Now he's getting the monkey to 3d print for him.
[3850.49] Jack: Right.
[3851.01] Jack: Unfortunately, that is all we've got time for.
[3855.01] Jack: Um, a little notification.
[3858.53] Jack: If you do support us, like these lovely people down scrolling below, like
[3864.49] Jack: Stuart Thorne, David Powell, Wes, Aries, you know,
[3868.81] Stephen: and the support like that can make you a 50% more intelligent and attractive.
[3874.57] Jack: Yeah.
[3875.49] Jack: It's an old fact.
[3877.29] Jack: If you use the apple, uh, app for patreon, um, as of, yeah, as of November 1st,
[3891.89] Jack: um, they're adding it to their app subscription service.
[3897.73] Jack: So they will be charging you 30% more.
[3901.93] Jack: And then with fees and everything else, break out a web browser.
[3907.01] Stephen: Right.
[3907.25] Stephen: Yeah.
[3907.49] Stephen: It works out as we use the app.
[3910.61] Jack: Yeah.
[3910.89] Jack: 40%.
[3911.93] Jack: So yeah.
[3913.17] Jack: Uh, yeah.
[3915.41] Jack: Um, delete that app, stop that and then go use a web browser, create a
[3921.89] Jack: patreon account or log back in and then subscribe that way.
[3928.21] Jack: Don't use.
[3929.65] Stephen: Oh, I should just give him money to apple.
[3931.45] Stephen: And we don't get anything from apple.
[3933.05] Stephen: We're not sitting here on piles of iPads for chairs or anything.
[3936.21] Stephen: Like we don't see any of that money.
[3937.65] Stephen: It just goes to apple for the ability to run the app.
[3940.57] Jack: No, until Frank is snorting cocaine off an iPad instead of a mirror, like some
[3949.85] Jack: sort of retro eighties futuristic thing.
[3953.93] Jack: Uh, yeah, please do not use the, uh, the apple app.
[3958.73] Jack: Please use a web based or yeah.
[3961.81] Jack: Or normal app.
[3963.13] Stephen: Um, especially if all things for a patreon, it just doesn't make sense because
[3966.73] Stephen: the people on patreon get nothing from apple for that 30% cut whatsoever.
[3972.29] Jack: No worries.
[3973.25] Jack: Uh, thank you for tuning in.
[3974.45] Jack: We're live every Thursday.
[3976.21] Jack: You've been listening to let drone out.
[3978.45] Jack: You've been joined by everyone.
[3979.77] Jack: Favorite curry kitten.
[3980.93] Jack: Goodbye.
[3982.53] Jack: The Lord of master Andrew slash Frank, who hopefully he's got another edit for us.
[3988.05] Frank: No, sorry.
[3989.29] Jack: Huh?
[3990.25] Jack: Uh, the man with the mustache, Steven.
[3993.45] Jack: Right.
[3993.89] Jack: Cheers.
[3994.29] Jack: Have a good weekend from and my buddy Cole.
[3997.13] Jack: See it.
[3998.73] Jack: I've been your host of bright off life.
[4000.13] Jack: Thank you.
[4000.65] Jack: And good night.
[4002.21] Jack: Bye.
[4005.45] Jack: Telemetry loss.