=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 478 ===
Title: LDO 478 - featuring al Mac
Recorded: 2024-10-24
Hosts: Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): Al Mac
Total audience: 841
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrJKMrHEKG0); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1942669355-letsdroneout-ldo-478-featuring-al-mac.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello and you're listening to what drone out and special thank you to our lovely patrons that help donate
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[20.28] Jack: Hello and welcome you're listening to let's train out today's Thursday, it's the 24th and
[60.25] Jack: It's October spooky season is now upon us
[64.29] Jack: You guys gonna have to start thinking about what you're gonna wear for next week's other ween show
[71.21] Jack: I'm thinking of dressing up as a be a hella. Yeah. See are you being maintaining the spooky atmosphere all year?
[78.41] Stephen: Jack, it's just the floating head of Jack in the black void
[82.53] Stephen: I know how can you get over spooky? Perhaps you should just make it all hot pink for once. I know
[88.85] Jack: Could do apparently that's how they done the whole Adam's family because it's filmed in black and white
[94.45] Jack: Everything was pink and green to give different shades of gray
[98.33] Curry: You can wear that dress and do hoovering again. That was pretty frightening to watch
[102.93] Jack: Yeah, it was Andy. I see
[105.65] Jack: now clothes
[108.25] Jack: Yeah
[112.17] Jack: It doesn't help I'm wearing a black shirt I should have yeah, it really gives you the ploiting head vibe
[117.65] Jack: It's quite a breast. No, Holly Holly
[121.17] Stephen: Anyway, anyway, yes throwbacks for those who were born like less than 30 years ago. That means nothing
[132.29] Jack: We are joined by everyone's favorite curry kitten
[135.37] Jack: Hello
[136.53] Jack: The man with my star Steven good evening
[140.17] Jack: Hopefully I can see you tomorrow. I'm bright to your fly and our guest tonight is a lovely gentleman called our mark
[148.37] Jack: What's up?
[150.25] Jack: Yes, I as we were saying
[153.37] Jack: You're kind of we're moving into the the sort of
[157.41] Jack: Mm. Am 32 sort of chat. We got those guys coming up on the show soon and
[164.01] Jack: I was I flashed a M32 Cole is a
[169.61] Jack: big user of your content and discord
[173.09] Jack: unfortunately, he's not here because he picked up a
[177.33] Jack: job and
[179.89] Stephen: I
[182.05] Stephen: From the looks of it from the visual reports
[184.53] Stephen: He appears to be in transported as some Magic Kingdom with reels and reels of brightly colored chiffon and pixies
[193.45] Stephen: I know
[196.09] Stephen: Yeah, I was just like looking forward we have his camera footage so
[202.57] Stephen: Just made it up
[204.69] Jack: Yeah, I'm mark
[206.73] Jack: Yeah, so I recently joined your discord. You've got like a whole community
[212.77] Jack: You've been you're you're very versatile from what I can gather
[217.81] Jack: With the fact is you'll be you've been flying quick silver. You've been flashing in 32
[223.29] Jack: ESCs
[224.57] Jack: You focus ultra and beat flights
[226.81] Jack: So you're like the best of both worlds and quick silver from the looks of it as well
[230.85] Stephen: We see that avocado making an appearance
[234.25] Stephen: We don't talk about the avocado. You don't talk about the avocado. You made an avocado enemies
[240.85] Al Mac: Yeah, it's just yeah
[243.41] Al Mac: No, it's um, it's fun. I just enjoy doing it all
[247.53] Stephen: Yeah, that's an experiment. I have I've not some of the quick silver guys actually pop up on
[253.05] Stephen: Beta flight in the development forums, but uh, yeah, I don't know anyone who's flown at a bunch
[258.25] Stephen: But yeah, if it's giving you some strife, then we'll just we'll step away step away from the avocado
[264.41] Al Mac: No, it's just really it's it's something I like to mess with
[270.53] Al Mac: You know that they design it really for the whoops
[273.69] Al Mac: Um, I just found it flies amazing on five inch and I really like it
[278.81] Al Mac: Actually all of my beta flight gear my beta flight quads have quick silver on
[284.81] Stephen: So if you're gonna capture up characterize the differences, obviously super simple setup
[289.41] Stephen: It's meant to get that move up and racing as quick as possible. Just what it's
[293.73] Stephen: Beyond that what's the flight feel like?
[298.01] Al Mac: Believe it or not. It feels a little like a lot like kiss believe it or not
[302.85] Al Mac: Yeah, it just it just has that real organic feel to it
[307.45] Al Mac: You know, and there's just it's just there. It just works. It's it's it's mind-blowing. It's just
[313.25] Al Mac: Yeah, it's kind of hard to explain. You've got
[315.89] Stephen: Targets, right because it used to be just a little blue boards and now it seems pretty much everything
[320.45] Al Mac: Yeah, you can almost get a target for just about anything. And if not, I'm sure you know them guys over there
[327.05] Al Mac: Definitely help you out with that. You know
[329.53] Al Mac: Over there at the discord for you know, quicksilver or whatnot
[333.49] Stephen: Sounds like a good winter experiment, you know
[336.41] Stephen: Nights are getting longer staying inside more maybe time to do a bit of flashing and tinkering. Yeah. Yep
[343.09] Curry: Yep, I was fascinated by this because
[346.77] Curry: Quicksilver I heard of years ago about like changing over sort of semi toy type quads
[354.05] Curry: Maybe even like the brushboards and stuff like oh the quicksilver one
[357.61] Curry: It's much much better and I hadn't I hadn't heard of it in years
[361.29] Curry: And I thought it just died out with it. But you guys mentioning it makes me think oh
[366.81] Curry: Got plenty of chords on the wall. I should try one. See what happens. Yeah. Yeah. Can't hurt. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah
[373.61] Al Mac: Yeah, benedict. I think started and well, he started messing with I think way back in the
[379.19] Al Mac: 2016 or something you started writing his own firmware and then I think around 2020 ish or something he
[385.69] Al Mac: Come up with uh, well him with some others come up with a quicksilver. I'm gonna hold i'm not the
[391.29] Al Mac: You know well versing the whole story or what but uh, yeah, he kind of mentioned a little bit about it and uh, yeah, but
[397.85] Stephen: It really went to town with the stick commands didn't it's like a stick command city over there. Yeah
[404.41] Al Mac: Yeah, um
[405.85] Al Mac: Yeah, it works. Yeah, but um for the most part I like uh
[410.81] Al Mac: You know because i'm a big kiss guy. I've been a pretty lazy kiss. I flew a beta flight first couple years. I was in the hobby
[417.37] Al Mac: um, and then I tried kiss and then I just never really went back then now it's kiss ultra
[424.17] Al Mac: Which kiss ultra was kind of a whole different animal. Um, you got alex heading it with the uh, he's got
[429.45] Al Mac: He's just bringing so much. I mean it's it's incredible. Um
[434.33] Al Mac: Yeah, he's just so active in it. Uh
[436.73] Al Mac: And yeah, that's all I really I mean as far as my freestyle drawings i'm gonna build one today
[442.09] Al Mac: It's gonna be a kiss ultra quad and they got the new esc which is the valtar
[446.73] Al Mac: Which is a 70 amp esc, which is ridiculous. That was designed and developed by yeah, there you go
[452.97] Al Mac: By uh, leave you at pb, which you know, he's uh, he's been in the esc game for a long time
[459.29] Al Mac: Uh, I took all my advice from him
[462.09] Al Mac: Not that i'm even remotely close to knowing what i'm doing
[465.93] Al Mac: But when it comes to hot air and stuff like that, so
[469.13] Jack: Yeah, there you go. That's a thing. That's a lot of repair videos
[473.37] Jack: Um, yeah, it's quite chunky as well
[476.09] Jack: Yes
[478.89] Stephen: Yeah, yeah a thermal mass
[481.61] Jack: Yeah, not that bad. I'd like um
[483.85] Jack: Yeah, I I flew it today. I was just
[488.01] Jack: I just uh
[489.85] Jack: went to
[491.13] Jack: went to visit my friend tom and I was in like a
[495.13] Jack: uh, I went to his workshop and uh, grab some sausage rolls
[500.25] Jack: and uh, kind of sat with him for like half an hour and then just went to
[506.01] Jack: the the field nearby and um
[511.05] Jack: Just done some
[514.65] Jack: You know like quad housekeeping it's very rare that I fly on my own
[521.37] Jack: but it was things like
[523.61] Jack: uh
[524.57] Jack: Have a look at my main quad versus my backup quad
[528.01] Jack: um
[529.53] Jack: and
[530.81] Jack: Like, you know have a look at like the sort of like notch filters have a look at the
[536.25] Jack: um
[539.21] Jack: Uh, you know have a look at the resonance of my frames. Um, alexander lovingly taught me about the sort of
[547.37] Jack: uh
[548.65] Jack: gyro
[551.69] Jack: Graph that you can have
[553.69] Jack: Yeah, you just plug in
[555.61] Jack: It shows you the raw data and as long as you don't unplug you can kind of see
[560.09] Jack: The sort of like noisier frame there was like
[563.61] Jack: uh
[565.13] Jack: Adjusted my video sync level so that I don't get like so much of the flicker and stuff
[570.73] Jack: things that when you're flying with other people and like you kind of
[575.45] Jack: you know waiting your turn and
[578.73] Jack: um
[581.21] Jack: You know like, you know, you might be chasing each other around or like, you know kind of tricking around stuff. I was just in a
[588.33] Jack: boring empty field and just doing the little things that kind of like niggle and make yourself
[594.17] Jack: like feel better and because it's like a sort of
[597.29] Jack: I don't know remade in or first
[600.49] Jack: text white of like changing things over
[603.77] Jack: um
[604.81] Jack: Yeah, it was just nice to kind of go out and
[608.09] Jack: Do the sort of like little things and catch up
[611.21] Jack: Yeah, so
[612.49] Jack: But yeah, I was sorry impressed. It um
[616.09] Jack: Definitely kind of gave me that sort of like old
[619.29] Jack: like 25 amp
[621.37] Jack: BSC sort of like
[623.45] Jack: bill
[624.49] Jack: yeah
[626.25] Jack: A bit more like, you know smoother. I mean it's definitely
[631.37] Jack: I remember I was like flying kk2
[635.53] Jack: and then I bought a
[638.65] Jack: uh, what is it a flip 32 and was uh
[643.53] Jack: Like flying the multi-way and it was I just remember just feeling like a nice smooth yaw
[651.21] Jack: and
[652.01] Jack: Things being like a little bit quicker. It's like with the kk2 man. It was like you send you stick commands
[659.77] Jack: with
[660.97] Jack: uh, like
[662.97] Jack: royal mail and like sort of
[666.89] Jack: on posted standard dress envelopes
[669.77] Jack: It was very
[673.05] Jack: Not and I kind of like that sort of like multi-way
[677.85] Jack: When did you get into the hobby almak?
[680.55] Jack: 2020 yeah
[682.33] Al Mac: 2020 yeah
[684.33] Al Mac: Yeah, I um, it wasn't a good year
[687.29] Al Mac: Yeah. Well, actually it was um
[689.69] Al Mac: I got sick
[692.17] Al Mac: during uh early on 2020 and uh, my life changed a lot and that that uh,
[697.61] Al Mac: while I was recuperating
[699.13] Al Mac: I was doing around laying around and watching youtube videos and uh, I come across a video this guy flying a drone inside of a building and
[707.29] Al Mac: He wasn't even doing freestyle
[708.89] Al Mac: He was just creeping around with like I think like a little whooper type thing or something and i'm like that's that's freaking cool
[714.89] Al Mac: You know
[715.93] Al Mac: So I got fascinated and that's kind of how like I started research
[720.57] Al Mac: I'm like, what are they doing? Then I started seeing like other videos of them really freestyling. I think mr
[725.61] Al Mac: Steel's videos popped up and I go how are they doing? It's like what are they doing?
[729.37] Al Mac: I noticed they were wearing goggles and i'm like
[732.09] Al Mac: So I had to I had to look into it. Nah, and yeah, it's been a big part of my life ever since. Uh
[739.37] Al Mac: Yeah, I just
[741.93] Al Mac: Yeah
[743.13] Al Mac: Kind of um, it's where yeah, I think my very first setup is hilarious. You guys will laugh. Um,
[749.69] Al Mac: I bought a I bought a freaking it was called an emotion drone. It was a uh,
[755.05] Al Mac: A wifi it was a wifi drone
[758.81] Al Mac: And it was like 50 bucks
[760.97] Al Mac: So I bought this
[762.33] Al Mac: I bought this drone and it's just like it'll push a button it takes off and you kind of put your phone in
[767.77] Al Mac: You can see what's going on
[769.53] Al Mac: So i'm like, well, this is stupid. So then I I researched like
[773.85] Al Mac: Like an fpv camera and then the goggles so I end up buying a pair of maker fire goggles, which are like these box goggles
[781.05] Al Mac: I bought a pair of them
[783.05] Al Mac: For like 40 bucks or something and then I get uh
[787.21] Al Mac: A it was called a bold clash all-in-one fpv camera
[792.41] Al Mac: And I just double-sided sticky taped it on top of this another video today. We have a drone from
[799.37] Al Mac: Yeah, there you go. Yep. Yes, sheen emotion during that's it. But uh, so I
[806.41] Al Mac: I slapped the camera on top of this thing and that was my very first fpv experience was with these maker fire
[812.81] Al Mac: Goggles and flying that thing around my neighborhood
[816.65] Al Mac: So then i'm like, well, okay now I gotta
[818.89] Al Mac: Yeah, now i'm researching like how like these quads how you build these quads
[824.09] Al Mac: Then, you know, right and that's when I found curry kittens video about the uh, the uh tyro 119
[831.37] Al Mac: So, uh, I was looking into that and what was most attractive about that was it was 120 bucks for the whole kit
[838.09] Al Mac: So I was like
[839.61] Al Mac: Can't go wrong. All right
[841.45] Al Mac: So that was my first quad actually the frames right there on the wall
[845.21] Al Mac: my very first quad and uh, yeah, and uh
[850.09] Al Mac: It's been uh, old, you know uphill from there
[856.17] Jack: Didn't you have one of those curry you had two of them sent to you and like
[861.45] Curry: It's for my video. I must have had at least one
[864.25] Al Mac: Yeah
[865.45] Al Mac: Well, I remember you were the one that mentioned that it was uh, I think banggood and then like I think that was the reason
[870.81] Al Mac: I've even found it
[872.41] Al Mac: On banggood. I believe i'm pretty sure because right after that bardwell released a whole
[878.65] Al Mac: Series on building that exact quad, but you were the first one that I saw mentioned it
[883.85] Al Mac: and then uh, yeah
[886.41] Curry: Yes, I know I still have it
[887.69] Curry: It's I think the 109 was the five inch and then it's the one one nine six inch and one two nine seven inch
[893.37] Curry: They still have that one. Yeah, and I think it came with
[897.05] Curry: I can't remember which is which but usually they had quite bad cameras, which the
[902.57] Curry: Was very narrow. So you if you flew it first off
[905.37] Curry: It was kind of like you do a turn but it's just like it doesn't feel like turning
[908.81] Curry: It just feels like the landscape's moving past because it's so narrow. So yeah, you replace that
[913.85] Curry: And replace some other bits and it's an open quad still
[916.97] Stephen: They were widely hailed as a wonderful great value weight to buy a set of parts that you wouldn't fly in that configuration
[925.79] Al Mac: Well, i'll be straight up i'll be i'm surprised
[930.03] Al Mac: Curried it you even still had yours or have your original because I went through two escs before I even got it off the ground
[938.03] Al Mac: Banggood sent me another one and then I finally eventually I bought an off-white stack and stuck it in there
[943.87] Al Mac: I never had an issue ever
[946.75] Stephen: Yeah, it was they cut a few corners to get that price
[950.27] Curry: I think in all the gyros the
[953.07] Curry: The erc survived. I think i've still got ercs and the two big ones the six inches in bits at the moment because it had a
[959.71] Curry: Uh a different setup in the the five inch and the three inch I gave away
[963.95] Curry: to people yeah, but um, yeah, I think one of the
[967.95] Curry: I had a dodgy flight control in one of them where the camera output didn't work and that that was all so
[973.55] Curry: Sometimes I just get lucky and my stuff works most of the stuff I get sent just doesn't work
[978.67] Curry: Like anybody else's is fine. It works
[981.15] Al Mac: Well
[982.11] Al Mac: Also, it could have been settings. I wasn't even aware of at the time. I could have had some crazy
[987.47] Al Mac: I don't know. You know what I mean? But
[989.95] Al Mac: You know because uh, yeah in bihale it just alone just so you can say if you got something wrong or something off or something
[995.47] Al Mac: Yeah, something something can happen. There's a lot of bad designs
[999.31] Stephen: Yeah
[1000.11] Stephen: and I think with it's kind of nice that we're moving away from
[1004.43] Stephen: Like these bihale 32 emcs where everyone was kind of going their own way and throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what's stuck and
[1011.87] Stephen: It's kind of nice with am32 that
[1015.07] Stephen: It's pulling back the curtain a little bit on these designs
[1018.51] Stephen: And if if something's a bad design you can straight up look at the target and be like well
[1023.07] Stephen: Maybe you shouldn't have used that component because that's causing problems. Yeah
[1027.71] Al Mac: That's another topic am32 i've been uh
[1031.79] Al Mac: I've been flashing them for
[1034.91] Al Mac: Uh, I don't even know a year and a half now
[1037.23] Al Mac: I can't even remember since the first time i've ever contacted pete smith's which is the uh,
[1042.99] Al Mac: Developer creator of am32 hell of a guy and a really nice guy
[1048.67] Al Mac: But he uh
[1050.83] Al Mac: In the beginning he didn't really think uh, d shot 2400 was adequate or necessary
[1056.99] Al Mac: Because you know beta flight only calls for a d shot 600
[1061.15] Al Mac: So I pressed him upon it. I'm like, hey man, what about his kiss guys? You know, we like to run d shot 2400
[1066.51] Al Mac: That's what we do. That's what the
[1068.67] Al Mac: You know the pit loop requires all this other stuff
[1072.27] Al Mac: Eventually got him to do that. It took a while to get it, right? But
[1076.59] Al Mac: Um, it's yeah, it's it's I like it. I like what he's doing over there. He's got
[1082.59] Al Mac: unit, which is uh, one of his biggest helpers over or biggest, you know, endeavors over there and
[1088.19] Al Mac: Uh in the configutor, I mean everything's just caught guns coming such a
[1093.39] Al Mac: You know drastically in such a short period of time. They've got all kinds of things going on but
[1099.31] Stephen: Yeah, it's working out. Shout out to ikey doing great work. Keep on keeping on
[1106.11] Stephen: Yeah, they've come a long way in a short amount of time. It's um, i'm kind of glad that they're with that
[1111.63] Stephen: Uh kind of surprising announcement that bl. Heli 32 was going to be blocked with uh trade export restrictions
[1119.15] Stephen: Okay
[1120.75] Stephen: I was kind of worried that something might happen
[1122.75] Stephen: I was thinking, you know just one player in this field who's doing it closed source and
[1128.11] Stephen: You know if they can't they were acting as like a license server for all these manufacturers and the instant they went away
[1134.75] Stephen: You know that they were just
[1136.99] Stephen: Unable to ship new products. So kind of glad that am32 was there. There was some discontinuity, but
[1143.39] Stephen: basically, everyone's just
[1145.39] Stephen: bounced their ranges of escs and done a
[1148.35] Stephen: You know same hardware new firmware range of whatever was out there before and now all that same stuff's running
[1154.33] Stephen: M32 and being shipped from the factory with am32 flashed which is yeah awesome to see really
[1160.19] Curry: Yeah
[1161.31] Curry: so how is the flashing on am32 because
[1164.35] Curry: I keep seeing you guys wave st links around and I know jack
[1169.23] Curry: Screwed one up. Are we talking about like pogo pins?
[1173.39] Curry: Putting onto an esc and doing it not not a nice yet use a photo
[1178.67] Al Mac: It's a great idea
[1179.79] Al Mac: I don't use a pogo pin. Actually what I do is I take two breadboard wires and I tape them together
[1185.55] Al Mac: And I trim the prongs
[1187.79] Al Mac: And equal I bend them together to where they exactly match to the pads on the esc
[1194.19] Al Mac: Sure, here are your pads
[1196.75] Al Mac: On the back of the esc
[1198.91] Al Mac: obviously, and that correlates with each esc and then
[1202.91] Al Mac: You simply get in your computer. I bring this one put this onto the ground of your just your main ground on the esc
[1211.31] Al Mac: And then I just touch that bad boy there and I use the other hand while i'm holding it and I hurry up and hit load
[1217.71] Al Mac: And well, obviously have have everything ready to go and you kill program
[1222.19] Al Mac: Sounds very coordinated. Well done. Yes. Yes
[1225.71] Al Mac: Once you do it once though, man, it's it's it's like
[1228.75] Al Mac: Yeah, it's obviously not recommended for everybody and not everybody's going to even try to do it
[1234.19] Al Mac: but if you're like anything like us or and you know, I I just
[1238.51] Al Mac: I like I like things that are very complicated. I like things that the bigger the mess
[1242.83] Stephen: I always feel like it needed three arms to do what you just described, right?
[1246.27] Stephen: Like I have kind of that pinch there and that pinch there and I kind of get everything
[1249.87] Stephen: I have to sort of just slap it down to the table and just like try not to move that hand
[1254.91] Stephen: I had the soldering. I just sold those onto the tiny pads and just
[1259.07] Stephen: Then quickly tip tip tip with like an eye tip or something. You can do that
[1263.71] Al Mac: You can do that. But I probably I've flashed
[1267.87] Al Mac: I've flashed several of these. Um, I just did a few just past week or two weeks
[1273.71] Al Mac: You know right here. So I so I'm just it's easier for me to just instead of getting in there with a little soldering iron and stuff
[1280.67] Al Mac: you know
[1281.63] Al Mac: it's just easier to
[1283.87] Al Mac: kind of
[1285.55] Stephen: Yeah, if you've got a nice big ESC like the 30 by 30 that that works pretty well
[1289.79] Stephen: Oh, yeah, and he works 20 is quite a bit crowded and I've done a
[1293.47] Stephen: One or two aio's as well with like bl heli 32 aio's
[1298.35] Stephen: And those things like they don't even have the pads next to each other like one pad will be on
[1303.23] Stephen: Like one side of the mcu and the other pad will be like half an inch away over there
[1308.19] Stephen: Yeah, right, right. You have to like yeah. Yeah
[1311.55] Stephen: Trial and narrow them until you get a signal on the thing
[1314.51] Al Mac: Yeah, yeah, I haven't ran into that issue yet, which I don't fly 20 by 20. I have one that I just flashed
[1321.95] Al Mac: And it was actually I dropped it on the floor underneath me right before the show
[1328.11] Al Mac: Is
[1329.39] Jack: No, it's still alive man
[1331.63] Stephen: Yeah after like 10 hours of loving like intensive care like that thing was on life support
[1338.27] Al Mac: No, it wasn't on my chair
[1340.51] Al Mac: It was under my chair
[1342.59] Al Mac: There it is
[1345.32] Al Mac: On this little guy here, but it wasn't bad
[1348.44] Jack: Are you missing a gummy?
[1350.52] Al Mac: What are we up there? Yeah, what's that little guy?
[1353.72] Al Mac: That is a team motor
[1356.6] Al Mac: T motor
[1360.68] Al Mac: It was an eco eco board I think or something that's a little 20 by 20, isn't it? Yeah, we little 20 by 20
[1368.2] Al Mac: Yeah
[1369.48] Al Mac: But um, yeah
[1372.12] Al Mac: Yeah, a little guy
[1373.88] Jack: I um, I put my mouse on the floor and then line it up and then hit it with my foot
[1379.4] Jack: Put your mouse on the floor
[1384.12] Jack: Yeah, unplug my mouse put it on the floor and then you use your hands and just step on the mouse
[1389.88] Al Mac: Yeah, step on the mouse one. Whatever we're out here with your nose. I mean, whatever you gotta do. Yeah
[1395.64] Jack: That's it
[1396.92] Jack: but yeah, I
[1399.88] Jack: Like since that flashing tool steven you showed me I think that was my barrier to entry
[1406.76] Stephen: Thank you, andrew andrew andrew shows well
[1411.08] Stephen: Um, yeah, that's an incredibly useful little tool because I was just showing my bag of bits and i've got
[1417.64] Stephen: not just a
[1419.32] Stephen: St link v2. I mean, yeah, heck we've got st link v2s here
[1424.6] Stephen: Like that guy i'm not going to try and focus the camera. Yeah, that's really good st link v2
[1429.64] Stephen: But i've also got an st link v2
[1432.12] Stephen: Where I flashed new firmware onto the st link. So that's the cm sys dapp adapter
[1436.92] Stephen: So you can do debugging on that for generic mcu types and and then we've got this
[1442.6] Stephen: Bugly boy, which is an at link. This is a bespoke
[1448.28] Stephen: Programming board for archery tech which is on any anytime you see like an f4 or f3
[1454.92] Stephen: Mcu on an esc. It's an archery tech one. It's not an st link. Well, see I use the st link for uh,
[1465.16] Stephen: Some people have done but it used to be you've had to get one of those or do all sorts of right, right, right, right
[1471.08] Jack: Yeah, because i've only seen those at links on dev boards and they're like attached to the top
[1477.32] Jack: Yeah, yeah
[1480.36] Al Mac: Yeah
[1481.64] Al Mac: like I said, I use um
[1483.48] Al Mac: teal programmers and like it I don't know why I I don't know I
[1487.72] Al Mac: Bring that up with it. Just
[1489.56] Al Mac: It works the best for me. Well, I can see
[1492.6] Al Mac: Yeah, and I could see exactly what what it's what it's doing
[1496.28] Al Mac: I can manipulate the code put the bootloader in right in real time with the code and that's kind of like it
[1501.4] Stephen: Whatever, but you just flashed everything in one hit then you just uh, yeah
[1505.96] Stephen: Flash the bootloader fresh the firmware at the same time. Yeah. Yeah
[1509.56] Al Mac: Kind of I go ahead and I just I build the project and then boom it's ready
[1513.88] Al Mac: Just shoot it right in
[1517.53] Stephen: I didn't have the patience to set up keel
[1519.45] Stephen: But yeah, I did that a few times just from the programmer. Just lay down the firmware lay down a blanky prom
[1525.37] Stephen: lay down the
[1527.37] Stephen: The bootloader and firmware as well at the same time. Yep
[1531.05] Al Mac: Yeah
[1533.21] Stephen: You want to just get it done and get it up and boot it as quickly as possible. Yeah
[1537.77] Al Mac: Yeah
[1540.25] Al Mac: Yeah, try not to flash two boot loaders at the same time also
[1544.41] Stephen: Yeah
[1545.85] Stephen: Yeah, let's see those little boards. They're fairly resilient, you know, oh dude. Yeah, I'm impressed with what you can get away with
[1552.17] Al Mac: I had a reaper that I I put the wrong bootloader on it twice by just the accident
[1557.93] Al Mac: Yes, because I was because I was doing something different
[1560.89] Al Mac: Dude, I was doing three different escs that day
[1563.29] Stephen: And I just as long as you sanity check and you're like connected to the configuration go is this thing what it says it is?
[1570.25] Stephen: Like yeah. Oh, wait, wait. No, that's the wrong brand entire. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. No
[1574.65] Stephen: So I don't actually like put a motor on the thing
[1577.21] Stephen: I'm trying like power up the freight phases because you're probably like fry some the output stages then right exactly before then it's all good
[1584.33] Al Mac: Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep
[1589.21] Al Mac: Yeah, it was pretty actually it's in the quad right now. It's in this one. This is my uh
[1595.37] Stephen: Am 32 test. So what should we go to build them? What kind of frames and motors and stuff? Do you fly?
[1601.29] Al Mac: um, I
[1603.13] Al Mac: well
[1604.33] Stephen: Everything it looks like to me
[1608.41] Al Mac: He likes to fly ultra so what was he putting with that I fly the apex
[1615.53] Al Mac: I fly the apex. Uh, it just seems to be I mean I when I crashed I crashed really fast and hard
[1622.33] Al Mac: Um, i've only broke one arm and it was coming off of a 10 story building bouncing between two of them
[1628.49] Al Mac: Uh, that was the only time i've ever broken an arm on an apex
[1634.17] Al Mac: Yeah, they're they're really tough. Um
[1637.05] Al Mac: Other than that, uh, like I said, it's always kiss ultra or kiss or
[1641.37] Al Mac: Uh, and the motors these are happen to be the vani motors
[1645.93] Al Mac: And I like them a lot and
[1648.41] Stephen: They're pretty durable. What are those rebrands of who's the oem that makes the vanimosis? That is a hype train
[1655.29] Stephen: Yeah, but they're just a rebrand so what factory do they come out of
[1659.93] Al Mac: I'm not uh
[1661.77] Al Mac: I'm not sure actually i'm 100 percent. I always thought that hype train was uh
[1666.81] Stephen: No, I mean they're just like they're paying someone else to make the motors and then you know, they just label on the side
[1672.17] Jack: Yeah
[1673.61] Stephen: Well, it's like a rotor ride thing, but yeah. Yeah, but I mean rotor ride don't have a factory right there
[1679.13] Al Mac: Well, no, but that's what I thought hype train or yeah, i'm 100 percent
[1683.53] Al Mac: I mean tiger motors tiger motors kind of have like
[1687.13] Stephen: So I think there's only like there's three or four big players that
[1691.61] Stephen: They actually do the winding of the coils and they do this templey and then they'll just like put your logo on the side
[1697.85] Stephen: And it'll be like, you know
[1699.69] Stephen: Yeah, or it'll say
[1702.01] Jack: Steel or it'll say whatever probably the same as the luminaire ones because they were
[1708.73] Jack: You know, they were really tight with like fpv weren't they back in the day?
[1713.93] Stephen: Yeah, I don't know. They just don't really look like this is the weird thing about fpv. There's like dirty little secrets like uh outside of you know
[1722.89] Stephen: Alex's stuff where he's making those boards you look at anything that's coming out of the big stores. It's made by
[1729.85] Stephen: Whether it's fcs or motors or escs
[1733.37] Stephen: They're made by like three or four main brands and some of them have in-house brands
[1737.69] Stephen: But a lot of the time they're just doing like outsourcing work for other companies
[1741.77] Stephen: Someone sends them a design is like I want a motor that's this kind of spec or on an fc
[1746.73] Stephen: That's like an f7 with this and that and they just you know
[1750.65] Stephen: Take a reference design and maybe customize it a little bit and then just do it for that person
[1756.41] Stephen: um
[1757.21] Stephen: So, you know unless it's coming out of like sky stars or someone like this then, you know
[1762.57] Stephen: They're not making necessarily their own kit and motors are especially true
[1767.37] Stephen: There are a lot of them by chinese brands that you can't pronounce
[1770.81] Stephen: But the motors they make have very well known well marketed subbrands that you definitely be familiar with
[1778.09] Al Mac: Right, right. Well, yeah, like they call it with gray labeling or whatever. Yeah. Yeah
[1783.21] Stephen: Odm stuff like that, right?
[1785.77] Al Mac: Yeah, um, I I think uh, I heard that like luminaire I thought they were also tiger motors
[1792.09] Al Mac: Which is like tiger motors like t-motor. I guess it's not to do with that. I guess
[1797.05] Al Mac: but um, yeah, I have like a
[1799.85] Al Mac: You know a big
[1801.21] Al Mac: Big hold on the market as far as like a motor, uh production or whatever
[1806.17] Al Mac: Yeah, and then other than that here like this is my
[1809.21] Al Mac: Kiss off your ball tara quad. I actually got the beylocks or bail. However, you say that beylocks
[1815.69] Al Mac: So anymore I kind of try a little bit of anything but for the longest time I flew nothing but mr
[1820.97] Al Mac: Steele like, you know, I mean mr. Steele matters
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[1848.41] Stephen: Let's drone out
[1850.09] Stephen: So do you go for any unusual sizes?
[1851.93] Stephen: You know some people like steal on that every now and then they throw throw a wild card in there
[1856.25] Stephen: Do you go for any unusual bits and pieces motors like the big fat ones big tall motors or anything like that?
[1862.33] Al Mac: I used to be a big fan of 2407 meters
[1865.37] Al Mac: Oh, yeah, I like the bigger motor like I think they're more durable
[1872.65] Al Mac: But uh, I'll tell you what's a weird motor that I had for a while
[1878.09] Al Mac: Oh, I sent them off. Um
[1880.33] Al Mac: Worthy, uh, they were a popo motor made by mr. Steele. Oh, yeah people
[1886.01] Al Mac: You managed to get the damn things to stay on yeah, I couldn't get them on
[1891.29] Al Mac: I couldn't get them to lock for the longest time so i'd put a net on
[1894.81] Al Mac: And then here you had to grease them up a little bit get it worked out and then it was and they weren't fun
[1899.69] Al Mac: But um, i'm i'm a big uh peanut butter jelly, uh prop guy
[1904.57] Al Mac: So like that's all I run usually i'm actually gonna test the knees out. These are the new uh gem fan proxy
[1910.97] Al Mac: props
[1912.25] Al Mac: Uh, these are the whiskey
[1915.77] Al Mac: Yeah, I like I don't like a high high pitch so these are
[1920.25] Al Mac: Just about where they need to be, you know, so so what are they like?
[1924.65] Al Mac: These are the 20 they're
[1927.77] Al Mac: 51 27.5 or 28.5. I got the
[1933.69] Jack: I'm now i'm now the age where I can't read the
[1937.77] Jack: propped markings
[1939.75] Al Mac: 27.5. That's what it is
[1947.69] Stephen: For a while I was collecting all these different prop sizes, but it kind of got out of hand because my system is
[1954.25] Stephen: My system is this
[1956.89] Stephen: Oh god, that is that is the prop drawer
[1960.17] Stephen: And the prop drawer is now full and I ain't breaking them quick enough
[1964.01] Stephen: So I can't get any more experimental prop sizes because I just have to put them on the floor and then the dog chews them
[1969.85] Stephen: That's uh, that's some work
[1972.81] Al Mac: Uh speak yeah, well speaking of props and trying out different props, uh, these are these macro
[1980.49] Al Mac: This is my seven inch this is also an apex seven
[1983.61] Al Mac: This is uh, this is yeah, this is kiss ultra, but this is
[1990.41] Al Mac: Yeah
[1991.61] Al Mac: This is a really
[1993.53] Al Mac: Beautiful quad. It flies just so amazing
[1996.73] Al Mac: honestly, it took a little while to get her tuned up and ready but um
[2000.33] Al Mac: She flies it's kind of yeah
[2003.37] Al Mac: It is it is and I think that was why she was so difficult to tune
[2008.09] Al Mac: Maybe
[2009.29] Al Mac: Because just just how close everything is kind of sandwiched in maybe I don't know I could expect
[2016.89] Al Mac: Pretty close, aren't they? Yeah. Yeah, you can't even get your finger. You can't even put your finger between it
[2022.81] Stephen: That's going to be a cool chair because you got a little bit of wash between the front and the back
[2026.81] Al Mac: Exactly. I had to I had to put on uh, um, I had to black box it obviously and I had to find
[2033.69] Al Mac: The noise which is 151 hertz
[2035.77] Al Mac: I had to apply an odds filter in between one and 200 to get it to even
[2040.57] Al Mac: Uh like me anymore. So eventually I was able to get it to uh stop
[2047.53] Al Mac: Moving around a lot and then once that I locked her in and now she's
[2052.09] Al Mac: Like walked like I can freestyle that like I can apply it and stuff like it's yeah, it's pretty
[2057.29] Stephen: Do you get a nice uh field of view then with the dead cat that all the props out of you?
[2062.57] Al Mac: Uh
[2063.69] Al Mac: really, actually
[2066.17] Al Mac: I just did a plate yet, uh the other day
[2069.21] Al Mac: and even in the um
[2071.29] Al Mac: Even in the hd camera, I could still see just a slight
[2075.53] Stephen: Uh, you know, they got a five inch frame and they're just like long armed a five inch frame
[2080.09] Stephen: So I was always wondering how you deal with that
[2084.09] Al Mac: It was it was one of the downfalls of that frame and uh, you know, I hate to I don't like to trash it but
[2090.65] Al Mac: This is not it's not big enough to receive like your typical long range battery
[2096.33] Stephen: Up here. It's five inch frame, isn't it?
[2098.97] Al Mac: It is it is it is the five inch frame just with seven inch arms with some braces essentially
[2104.97] Al Mac: um, but
[2106.81] Stephen: Yeah, but you can freestyle it. So hey
[2109.85] Al Mac: Well, well i'm moving on to a uh, uh 10 inch i'm building the next couple weeks here
[2116.97] Al Mac: And uh, I actually ordered the frame i'll give him a shout out bad for life fpv he uh designed the frame
[2125.61] Al Mac: and uh
[2126.89] Al Mac: But yeah, it's it's got a whole different
[2129.93] Al Mac: It's got a little more wider
[2132.65] Al Mac: stanter, you know
[2134.41] Al Mac: uh wheelbase and
[2136.49] Curry: So yeah, so now when I look at your youtube output, it's it's very varied
[2141.93] Curry: There's a lot of like trying stuff out seeing what happens doing some freestyle. Is there any particular projects?
[2149.37] Curry: or
[2150.09] Curry: Goals you're working towards in uh in your flying or your your video making
[2156.41] Al Mac: Um, my main goal is just to be able to just go out and fly and don't have to worry about tuning
[2163.21] Al Mac: and like
[2164.33] Al Mac: That would be nice
[2165.69] Al Mac: you know, um, my like my
[2168.33] Al Mac: What energizes me to even make anything is to tell somebody about something I found
[2174.09] Al Mac: Uh that was easier or you know, just something that applies really nice. Um
[2179.53] Al Mac: Yeah, like that's that's that's what motivates me to make anything if you notice any of my videos
[2184.49] Al Mac: It's usually i'm trying to tell you about something that I found that I think works really well
[2189.77] Al Mac: Uh, that's really my driving
[2192.41] Al Mac: Wars or whatnot
[2194.09] Al Mac: but um
[2195.21] Al Mac: yeah, um
[2197.21] Al Mac: I don't have any like
[2199.21] Al Mac: There ain't no aspiration to being like a youtube star. That's the damn sure but
[2203.93] Stephen: What's your like pet subject if you want to tell people like one message about fpv to like fix this one thing
[2210.33] Stephen: What is it you think?
[2213.76] Al Mac: stay tuned
[2215.84] Al Mac: Just as I mean like, you know what I mean?
[2218.96] Al Mac: I for the first couple years in fpv. I just felt like I did nothing but tuned
[2223.52] Al Mac: I just felt like every time I was going out with the most valuable day
[2227.36] Al Mac: I would have to go out and fly I was worried about how the quad was going to fly. You know what I mean?
[2232.64] Al Mac: So like that that led me down to where like I was obsessed over just constantly tuning and making sure my quad fly
[2239.2] Al Mac: flew really good
[2241.04] Al Mac: uh, and yeah, so like, you know, I just think that
[2246.72] Al Mac: We should just be blessed with just gears just works and the slides amazing
[2251.92] Al Mac: Yeah, I mean that way we can just go out and do exactly what we want to do when we go out
[2255.92] Al Mac: And that's just to fly and have have fun. I don't have to worry about anything
[2260.96] Stephen: And I just curry's kind of resilient. I think i'm more like, uh fussy about my tunes curry is
[2267.28] Stephen: You know, he'll go out there and like doing something around
[2270.88] Curry: With I will just go out there and if it doesn't fly it's like let's we'll just get on the sticks harder and make it fly
[2278.08] Curry: That's that's old school way of doing things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
[2281.36] Jack: Try to fly you mate
[2283.36] Jack: I could fly some bags of
[2287.6] Stephen: Yeah, we we can do the freestyle moves we're just going to go up to 50 meter altitude and do the moves up there
[2293.04] Stephen: It'll be fun
[2294.96] Jack: That's how much space you need. You're not out of control. You're not in control
[2301.2] Curry: Yeah, i'm just
[2302.8] Curry: Flying flying and having the time to fly is a precious thing and I totally get why you don't want to just be out there tuning
[2309.28] Curry: Which is why I just don't do it. I was like just just fly and if it flies half decent
[2314.16] Curry: That's good enough. I'm not i'm not going to fiddle to get that little extra 10 percent
[2318.16] Curry: It's just like that'll do and I can have fun with it
[2321.04] Curry: It's like when you go out and everything fails and you just go back with the bag of stuff. That's that's not as much fun
[2327.44] Curry: That's a horrible
[2330.24] Al Mac: It's like well when I first like, you know
[2332.32] Al Mac: Bring it back like when I first got into fpb my very first setup because you know
[2336.88] Al Mac: I was broke back then or whatever. I was just getting my life back together
[2340.32] Al Mac: And my first action camera was a hero 3 with no stabilization. No like super view nothing
[2346.48] Al Mac: so like
[2347.68] Al Mac: It would see everything that quad you're going to see every single thing that quad is doing in the air
[2353.04] Al Mac: and that's before gyro flow and all that or you know all that stuff any of that stuff so like
[2358.96] Al Mac: I I obsessed over the tune on my quad. I
[2363.04] Al Mac: my beta play quads flew
[2365.04] Al Mac: Amazing like they flew freaking amazing for that reason, you know, and that's why I don't fly stabilization to this day
[2372.64] Al Mac: In fact, I just tried stabilization for the second time just the other day
[2377.36] Al Mac: and I just obsessed over like
[2380.16] Al Mac: Yeah, just a smooth flying quad the way you don't need any of that. You know, it's it's attainable. It's always attainable. It's yeah
[2389.84] Stephen: You might need to
[2391.04] Stephen: Retune if you fly on a windy day, you just got to be prepared for a little bit of that
[2396.0] Al Mac: Yeah, um, it's uh, yeah, that's one thing I like about kiss ultra. It's it's resilient
[2402.24] Al Mac: It's always it's very consistent and very organic and it just works every single time, dude
[2408.64] Al Mac: I have this this quad right here
[2412.16] Al Mac: This is my my yeah this one my tester quad this this
[2417.2] Al Mac: Fc has been under hot air several times. I had to report. I put a tbs diode on it and a back on it
[2424.8] Al Mac: Replace some caps on it
[2427.68] Al Mac: It's been through howling back and it still flies like it's a brand new freaking play controller
[2432.08] Al Mac: I mean these things are just
[2433.84] Al Mac: Bulletproof dude. I yeah, I blew it up. I hooked it up backwards by accident one night live
[2439.52] Al Mac: On the stream. I had the power backwards like an idiot
[2442.4] Al Mac: I don't even know it was in the plug and I was yeah, it was one of them stupid moments, but uh
[2447.12] Jack: So, yeah, this is ultra v1 or ultra v2. This is all v2. Yeah
[2454.08] Stephen: Yeah, yeah, what about video systems then what are you rocking there? I run nothing but v2 and vista
[2463.04] Al Mac: But with my uh 10 inch, uh, I think i'm gonna do
[2469.6] Stephen: Um
[2472.96] Al Mac: Well, I think I want to go
[2474.64] Al Mac: I think I want to do that because i'm swinging 10-inch props and I want to make sure I have a good
[2479.68] Al Mac: Good thing. I could see what i'm doing really good
[2483.28] Al Mac: but uh
[2484.48] Al Mac: Yeah
[2485.68] Stephen: That and then you'll be like a mile away 2k away before you know, what's going on with the 10-inch quad
[2491.12] Stephen: You need a bit of range
[2493.12] Al Mac: Yeah
[2493.84] Al Mac: This the seven inch here is like it's my analog quad and it's made to just go like i'll send that thing 10 miles
[2500.88] Al Mac: I don't care. I'm confident. I know that's another thing. I got brag about kiss ultra
[2505.68] Al Mac: They have a return to home
[2507.36] Al Mac: It just works like you said it
[2509.92] Al Mac: And that thing you hit the switch it comes back every time and I actually had a fail safe when I hit this tower
[2514.88] Al Mac: Over here must have been blaring 900 megs because I dropped everything and that thing because screaming back my way man
[2521.76] Al Mac: So it it works. It just works and that's what I love about it. You know what I mean, but I can't show
[2527.76] Al Mac: Crossfire
[2529.84] Al Mac: Uh, I run crossfire on my long range. I run tracer on all my freestyle
[2535.2] Curry: I haven't gotten that one out for a while. I think uh, yeah still going to trace not many people tracer fans these days
[2541.44] Al Mac: Yeah, I was I was resounding
[2544.24] Al Mac: Yeah, the ghost. I wanted to try ghost and I never got to it. Um, because i've got into tracer, but
[2551.28] Al Mac: Um
[2552.32] Stephen: Are they still selling tracer gear?
[2555.04] Al Mac: Oh, yeah, yeah, I just I was just testing firmware for tracer just uh, not too long ago
[2562.32] Al Mac: You know, they're getting into low raw
[2564.64] Al Mac: 500 hertz and stuff like that. Oh cool
[2567.84] Al Mac: Yeah, see anyone can test it actually. Um, I think it's still up. I don't know 100 percent
[2572.64] Al Mac: If you're interested you can stop every my discord. Yeah, I mean
[2576.32] Stephen: I've had them. I yeah, I went for tracer for a while and I was just getting uh
[2582.16] Stephen: I'm getting a bit annoyed at the the signal
[2584.56] Stephen: So I just uh dropped that and moved over to elrs and i'm just 500 hertz elrs everywhere now
[2592.8] Al Mac: Yeah, I have elrs too. Yeah, I I put that uh, I give away a quad every once in a while and stuff
[2597.44] Al Mac: And I usually use the elrs, uh, you know and set it up and I ran elrs for a while, but
[2603.2] Al Mac: um
[2604.32] Al Mac: I I just when I tried tracer
[2606.8] Al Mac: Um, you know, I didn't want to have to spend the extra money
[2610.4] Al Mac: But there was something there like I thought there was it's just my opinion
[2614.72] Al Mac: Not you know me but so I went
[2618.0] Stephen: Easy firmware flash where you just press a button at 70 somewhere else the receiver, you know
[2622.32] Al Mac: It's what i'm all about and it's not an amazing. It's just I like things to just work. You know, I mean
[2628.0] Al Mac: over the uh
[2629.6] Stephen: Yeah crossfire and tracer
[2631.12] Stephen: They did have that thing where you just set up your radio and press a button and flash the rx
[2635.92] Al Mac: My radio seems if it just sees that it's not even it'll just automatically just start booting up and updating like
[2643.52] Al Mac: So like it's pretty uh, it's pretty nice
[2645.84] Stephen: Yeah, I I wonder how long tracer is going to have that for before someone elrs goes
[2650.4] Stephen: Oh, that's how you do it and then in like a month place for all the elrs stuff would do it
[2655.28] Al Mac: They still got the repo up there for crsf or whatever your day
[2660.88] Stephen: Oh, yeah, they keep talking about that. Like let's standardize it. Let's standardize it and uh
[2666.16] Stephen: Yeah, trapeze like really quiet and then someone's like oh
[2668.8] Stephen: We've discovered this function that we just like fuzzed this receiver and found out it did this thing
[2673.84] Stephen: Is that part of the standard? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's been there all along
[2677.12] Stephen: It's not that message. It's been there all along
[2679.6] Al Mac: Yeah
[2682.08] Al Mac: I'd say it's fine when I when like I hate these this division like I hate when people you know are like
[2688.88] Al Mac: Well crossfire f crossfire the elrs or elrs screw elrs this and this and that and it's like well
[2695.36] Al Mac: Neither of them would they work with each other? They work with each like, you know, you can't have elrs without crsf
[2701.68] Al Mac: But you know, I mean like, you know, and i'm saying like, I don't know. It's just kind of
[2706.0] Stephen: Kind of weird. Yeah, it's a it's a common language. It's usually it's about lingua franca
[2711.04] Stephen: Everyone speaks crf. So
[2713.6] Al Mac: Yeah
[2714.4] Stephen: It means you can use it on ancient radios as well. So yeah
[2717.92] Stephen: Find a radio that was uh
[2719.92] Stephen: Was the firmware was built with like 900 megahertz crossfire in mind
[2724.56] Stephen: And all of a sudden, you know tracer works on it els works on it. It's just got the same
[2729.76] Stephen: Underpaint
[2731.12] Al Mac: Yeah
[2733.58] Al Mac: Let's see rp3 rx fun purple to els rp3. What's that? Is that like a radio master? I think
[2741.66] Stephen: Oh
[2742.94] Al Mac: Okay
[2745.18] Al Mac: Is that 2.4 or 900
[2748.3] Stephen: Hurry, you've probably got these kicking around. Does the rp3 ring the bell?
[2752.94] Curry: I'll ask mr. Google bell. I think it's a 2.4 and I want to say it sounds like it's a
[2761.02] Curry: 4 gig nano receiver from radio master. Yeah, it's a radio master. Fair enough
[2767.66] Stephen: I'd probably got one of the quads. Yeah, the the the r ones that those are all radio master
[2772.38] Stephen: The rps
[2773.82] Stephen: All right. Oh, it's it's one of these tiny ones with the dual antares
[2777.9] Stephen: Oh, right
[2779.9] Stephen: All the newest and greatest temperature controlled oscillator dual radio
[2784.78] Stephen: stupid tiny footprint
[2787.9] Curry: My my um, my ers shelf is is up there somewhere. So it's probably in the box
[2793.66] Curry: But I've still got to look at that
[2795.58] Curry: That weird dual band thing to put that on something
[2799.02] Curry: Which has four antennas just to make it easy to put on our quad
[2803.34] Stephen: Oh, yeah
[2804.3] Stephen: Have you tried 900 megahertz with like 1000 hertz refresh?
[2807.9] Stephen: That was the latest feature they dropped up with that that was attractive to me
[2812.7] Al Mac: Because that was my biggest gripe with uh crossfire itself like actual crossfire is why I moved away is because it was eliminated
[2820.46] Al Mac: 150 or yeah 150 hertz 150 on a good day and it fall down to 100 I think yeah
[2826.62] Al Mac: Yeah
[2827.66] Al Mac: No, I was just going to make a comment about steven's axis on the wall behind him there
[2831.82] Stephen: So, yeah, I just uh, I just got the the yellow guy, uh, ibanez rg550 and desert yellow
[2838.62] Al Mac: Right on and you got the last part there. Is that an epiphan or gibson? Oh, no that
[2844.38] Stephen: That guy is uh, very much of the chinese knockoff variety. Okay
[2850.14] Stephen: And the other guy is a chinese knockoff variety base, but the one in the middle is the real deal
[2855.26] Al Mac: right
[2857.18] Al Mac: Gotcha
[2858.54] Al Mac: Yeah, I play a little I have a uh
[2860.14] Al Mac: I got a mahogany top, uh, left ball
[2864.54] Al Mac: Nice, um, then I have a uh, red
[2867.74] Al Mac: maroon like this
[2869.5] Al Mac: a catallic, uh strat
[2871.74] Al Mac: There's just like dean weans from wean the band wean
[2875.42] Al Mac: um
[2877.18] Al Mac: And uh, yeah, so I play I play a little actually I have one tattooed alarm with my name. Oh, wow
[2884.54] Stephen: Just a little bit just a little bit just a little bit of this tattoo a little bit. Uh, yeah
[2890.54] Stephen: Yeah
[2892.38] Stephen: My house is a shape for a giant guitar, but it's just a little thing
[2899.74] Stephen: Yeah, that's that guy yeah, it looks like a gentle guitar, but it's actually like a active pickup, uh,
[2905.58] Stephen: metal monster and I got the
[2908.22] Stephen: ebanez to try and get something that was a little more gentle and uh melodic because
[2914.94] Stephen: The the the black one up there is just useful for for giant power chords. It's got really high output
[2922.38] Stephen: tremendously thick gain and it kind of
[2926.06] Stephen: Feels more like using a club versus the guitar. It's uh after after picking up the new one all of a sudden
[2934.38] Stephen: Yeah, i'm like wow, this is a delicate precision tool
[2937.66] Stephen: Whereas the one I had before just feels like a a punk axe that you could club someone with
[2943.42] Al Mac: Right
[2944.62] Al Mac: Yeah, yeah
[2947.02] Stephen: Anywho, sorry, this was supposed to be a drum podcast new podcast. Let's rock out
[2952.06] Al Mac: That's my bad
[2954.62] Jack: after after years of like
[2957.82] Jack: Being sort of obsessed with tuning. Have you got can we can you talk through your process? We've got tips tricks gotchas
[2966.54] Jack: Like have you noticed a change?
[2969.42] Al Mac: uh, yeah, I mean
[2971.74] Al Mac: I really
[2974.06] Al Mac: You know, i'm no expert that's for sure but like what i've I learned how to black box
[2979.74] Al Mac: Learn how to read what you're reading
[2981.98] Al Mac: Or know what you're looking at
[2984.94] Al Mac: You know how
[2986.94] Al Mac: Your quad is behaving and how to understand how to read how your body your um, your quad is behaving
[2992.7] Al Mac: Once you get that down
[2994.62] Al Mac: There's nothing you can't tune
[2998.22] Al Mac: Like and then now they got tools like, uh, um, what's macawit, uh pit toolbox
[3005.1] Al Mac: Brian, you know pit toolbox. I mean they got all that
[3008.7] Al Mac: Which makes it even like ridiculously easy to tune now. Um, and there's videos out there, you know that will walk you through that
[3017.34] Al Mac: um
[3018.3] Al Mac: I was uh, I used to tune a lot with uh
[3022.14] Al Mac: uh, the pet tech alpha when it first come out and uh
[3025.26] Al Mac: uh
[3026.62] Al Mac: Yeah, so like that was when I really started getting into black box and trying to understand that and figure that out
[3034.46] Al Mac: There was a there's a guy. Um goes by uh, tmac
[3038.94] Al Mac: fpv
[3040.54] Al Mac: What is I hope i'm saying that right tmac. I think his name was he actually had a very good comprehensive breakdown of how
[3048.62] Al Mac: I don't even know this is years ago a couple years ago
[3052.22] Al Mac: Uh, but yeah, he uh, he was a good source for understanding how to
[3057.66] Al Mac: You know read read the black walks and understand
[3060.14] Al Mac: You just want to make sure you set your set point your gyro that way
[3063.26] Al Mac: You know what the quad was doing in the beginning and what what happened in between all that stuff, you know
[3069.1] Al Mac: But that's my best advice to give anybody
[3073.02] Al Mac: As far as you know
[3075.02] Al Mac: And what i've learned or you could just buy a kiss ultra and a vaultara and just call it a day
[3083.82] Stephen: Well, do you have time or money?
[3086.78] Al Mac: Well, that's the thing that's another thing, you know, and I understand, you know people don't you know things
[3093.02] Al Mac: um
[3096.3] Al Mac: That's what you have to decide like regardless the hobby is not cheap
[3101.74] Al Mac: By any means you have to decide whether you know
[3105.98] Al Mac: Do I want one really good flying quad or I want two quads?
[3109.02] Al Mac: They're gonna fly just decent or i'm gonna have to mess with their tune. I don't know that's it's you know, whatever but
[3115.66] Stephen: Also, are you like uh, are you comfortable with with maths and understanding what intervals and differentials are or would you rather just like
[3123.9] Stephen: That's someone else's problem. Give me the radio time to fly
[3127.9] Al Mac: yeah, I mean
[3129.26] Al Mac: I just try to steer clear from like any like
[3133.26] Al Mac: You know
[3134.38] Al Mac: I mean i'll get into whatever i'll do whatever I have to do obviously, you know when i'm
[3140.14] Al Mac: Flashing boards and doing things like that and looking at code that I have no idea what i'm looking at at the time
[3145.58] Al Mac: But like yeah, but it just works. It works. Hey, you know
[3150.94] Stephen: But sometimes life's too short, right? I just want to yeah, exactly
[3156.52] Al Mac: exactly, that's it
[3159.48] Stephen: Yeah, I think we've kind of gone through you've heard your prop choice your frame choice like an apex guy going for gem fan
[3166.76] Stephen: Being lured to the dark side with oh three
[3169.96] Stephen: Very much a tracer guy
[3173.16] Stephen: Yeah, what else have we got?
[3176.28] Al Mac: Uh
[3177.48] Al Mac: I like to fly
[3179.64] Al Mac: Fast and stupid. I like the brakes though. Yeah, no, not really like aggressive freestyle
[3184.68] Al Mac: Uh, yeah, I like to I like to make sure my quad is like, um wrapped really tight
[3190.36] Al Mac: So it can take a 90 mile an hour roll
[3193.96] Al Mac: On concrete or something, you know, whatever you fly like industrial areas or no, actually
[3199.48] Al Mac: Well, I fly it's like I I fly my ballpark actually if you look at all my videos
[3205.0] Al Mac: I've only been to a couple like abandoned hospitals and stuff like that
[3209.0] Al Mac: Uh, where's where I broke the arm in that one video way back a couple years ago
[3213.56] Al Mac: Um, but yeah, I usually fly it's my testing grounds. It's a ballpark on the other side of the valley here
[3219.96] Al Mac: And I go down there and there's like some um bleachers and there's some places
[3224.28] Al Mac: But it's really not a whole lot of kind of make the best of what I got
[3228.36] Al Mac: but uh, yeah, um
[3230.66] Al Mac: actually
[3232.28] Al Mac: Uh in the future I plan on
[3234.76] Al Mac: Kind of moving out and about and make you know causing some havoc, you know
[3239.48] Al Mac: Finding some places to go but i'm always alone too
[3242.6] Al Mac: so
[3243.56] Al Mac: I'm like 40 minutes from pittsburgh and like nobody
[3247.8] Al Mac: Around me. I i'm at one person that flies around here, but i'm we've never been here in the village
[3255.56] Al Mac: Yeah
[3257.64] Al Mac: Yeah, so like i've always been alone so i've never flown with anybody
[3262.44] Al Mac: You know, believe it or not. Yeah
[3265.8] Al Mac: Yeah, i'm a loner
[3268.52] Jack: Exactly man. Hopefully you can find some people to fly with
[3273.0] Jack: Hey
[3275.72] Al Mac: Yeah, that's what I hear. That's what I hear
[3277.8] Al Mac: It'll happen like I almost went to you know castle crash. They have events and stuff
[3282.28] Al Mac: You know, there was this castle. I almost went to that by then work called and i'm a busy guy. I work full-time and
[3288.44] Al Mac: I you know, so just stuff. I got a three-year-old that I chase around all the time. So it's like
[3294.44] Al Mac: you know
[3295.56] Al Mac: but uh
[3296.6] Al Mac: Yeah, but not because that's respiratory disaster. Yeah, right. Right. Well, yeah when i'm out there testing
[3302.92] Al Mac: He likes to hang around me and uh, yeah
[3306.44] Stephen: What's the age where you're like, right
[3308.6] Stephen: There's a work. Here's a radio off you go. I'm gonna do it next year
[3312.84] Al Mac: Maybe later this year. I'm gonna start getting him into it because he was already curious
[3316.52] Al Mac: He's always like right there next to me everything I do. So actually that's funny because I was just testing yesterday and um
[3323.96] Al Mac: Yeah, and he he go I let him grab the quad and hand it to me
[3327.96] Stephen: That's how you get the fast pilots man. You know, like uh, you're gonna give them that preschool quad training
[3333.32] Al Mac: Yeah, yeah, he's into everything. He's into everything mechanical and everything and i'm into so it's it's working out
[3340.44] Jack: Awesome. Yeah apple far from the tree
[3345.32] Jack: Yep, yep, uh, so what's your next project you're gonna be working on my uh, the my 10-inch
[3352.44] Al Mac: Um, it like I said, it's gonna be a kiss ultra ball tar. I got the uh,
[3359.74] Al Mac: The kiss ultra the ball tar right here waiting for it. Nice. Oh, there it went
[3365.74] Curry: I presume the frame has some bracing between the legs
[3369.82] Al Mac: um, the frame I just ordered doesn't but he just designed some braces for me and uh
[3376.86] Al Mac: Because I actually got the eight millimeter thick arms to the 10 millimeter thick arms kind of by accident
[3382.7] Al Mac: So he designed some braces for me just in case I had some problems
[3387.02] Al Mac: So, um, yeah, it's gonna be fun to play with and see what's see what's going on with it
[3392.06] Stephen: I hope it's better than that big secure 10-inch
[3394.86] Stephen: I think they're using seven alarms and it was all like
[3398.94] Al Mac: Yeah
[3400.22] Al Mac: Yeah
[3401.58] Al Mac: Yeah, like every one of these quads behind me every single one of these quads
[3405.82] Al Mac: Um, you can watch every single one of them because I built every single one of them live
[3411.26] Al Mac: Like if I didn't finish it
[3413.26] Al Mac: On like on a stream every tuesday at seven o'clock if I didn't finish it
[3416.38] Al Mac: I'd wait till the following tuesday and I would finish it, you know for the for the live stream or whatnot
[3422.54] Al Mac: So like yeah, you were ever curious of how I built any of those you could actually look back
[3427.58] Stephen: See i'm going to guess that you used a soldering iron and a screwdriver
[3433.34] Stephen: Hammer, uh hammer hammer is just the fastest way
[3437.82] Stephen: You finish the build you don't necessarily get to fly it but it's finished it's done. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely
[3447.96] Jack: Thank you, uh caroline asked how much payload would it have with a winky emoji
[3454.52] Al Mac: Yeah
[3455.88] Al Mac: I get I get that well on my seven inch. I got a few questions like uh, I had to remove a couple of them
[3462.36] Al Mac: You know for obvious reasons
[3465.08] Al Mac: Like the payload you get what i'm saying, but yeah, yeah
[3469.24] Al Mac: um
[3470.28] Al Mac: but um
[3471.48] Al Mac: Yeah
[3474.2] Jack: Hidden valley we were delivering biscuits to each other
[3477.88] Jack: Which was fun. We had a great big biscuit trade
[3481.72] Jack: of uh digestive
[3485.16] Curry: My tennis was so convinced it should deliver something it dropped one of the batteries off from a corner
[3490.76] Al Mac: Yeah
[3492.76] Jack: Oh, man
[3496.1] Jack: Well, we'll call it there. That's all we got time for
[3499.62] Jack: Uh, let me just either
[3502.1] Jack: play the banner
[3503.62] Jack: uh and also
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[3520.9] Jack: um
[3522.1] Jack: And yeah, thank you to everyone who tuned in
[3525.7] Jack: It's been great having you and uh
[3529.38] Jack: You've been enjoyed by everyone's favorite curry kitten
[3532.82] Jack: Goodbye
[3534.5] Jack: Uh, the man with the mustache stephen good evening and goodbye
[3539.38] Jack: Uh the our guest for tonight our mark
[3543.3] Jack: pilots
[3545.14] Jack: um
[3546.02] Jack: And a call to action, please in the let's run out discord or the email
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[3555.38] Jack: send us your
[3557.78] Jack: Horror stories or RC related horror stories
[3563.22] Jack: Yes, uh, yeah, hopefully we could dress up next week and uh, it'll be all funny
[3569.78] Jack: And yeah, it'll be nice to have some to read off
[3573.3] Jack: Uh, and i've been bright so far you'd be listening to let's try now. Don't forget tune in next week
[3578.98] Jack: Thank you and good night
[3581.3] Al Mac: It's been a pleasure. Thank you guys. Thanks. Have a good one everyone
[3585.38] Al Mac: Yep
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