=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 485 ===
Title: LDO 485 - He's behind you! Oh no he isn't...
Recorded: 2024-12-12
Hosts: Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant, Koel "Koala" Anderson, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 712
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVRo9UJ3mR8); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1984834175-letsdroneout-ldo-485-hes-behind-you-oh-no-he-isnt.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello! And you're listening to Let's Drone Out, a special thank you to our lovely patrons that helped donate
[7.6] Jack: so that we could pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things we say.
[12.36] Jack: Massive thank you to...
[14.16] Jack: Carlos Campos!
[16.24] Frank: Art Faulkner!
[17.72] Frank: Sam Dahmer.
[19.36] Frank: On with the show.
[20.56] Tony: Let's Drone Out now.
[52.13] Jack: Hello! And you're listening to Let's Drone Out.
[57.01] Jack: It's Thursday. We're live.
[58.85] Jack: We're here with everyone's favorite curry kitten, my buddy Cole, and I'm right until I fly.
[65.25] Jack: Cole can't fly because he lives in Canada and it's been snoring in his defense.
[72.13] Jack: That's the best one to go and fly.
[74.05] Koel: I tried to fly. I tried to fly my tiny whoop actually because my batteries came in the mail.
[79.57] Koel: And the propellers just keep flying off everywhere.
[83.41] Jack: So I can't fly.
[87.97] Jack: Have they split?
[89.57] Koel: Yeah, I think so. Yeah.
[91.49] Koel: One of them was flying off on its own.
[93.97] Koel: I got about 10 seconds of flight and then...
[97.65] Koel: Have you got any superglue?
[100.61] Koel: Uh...
[102.53] Koel: I've got some type of glue but should I be super gluing props to a quad that I have to replace the props of?
[110.77] Jack: Yeah, I know, but you can cut them off and then clean the superglue off.
[115.17] Jack: You know, I don't know. It's weird.
[117.65] Jack: But that is Curry's...
[120.21] Jack: Curry gave me a quad and that was the red one.
[124.37] Jack: And then I took the F3 flight controller off it and the ESCs.
[130.37] Jack: The flight controller wouldn't talk to BeatFly or do anything.
[133.49] Jack: Plugged it in. He just would not do anything.
[136.45] Jack: And so you inherited the canopy, the motors, and those dodgy props.
[142.53] Jack: And I have no idea what it's called.
[145.01] Curry: The whoop, I send you in perfect working condition.
[148.37] Jack: What? The... No, the...
[150.21] Jack: What? No, it's the red one.
[153.81] Jack: What's the red one?
[156.45] Curry: Do you remember?
[157.73] Curry: I don't have any...
[160.13] Curry: Do I just send you a frame?
[161.41] Curry: I sent you a quad and a frame. Is that the frame?
[163.57] Curry: Yeah, that's the frame.
[164.85] Curry: Or was this... Oh, OK, just the frame.
[166.69] Curry: Oh, OK. Oh, you built it, didn't I?
[168.85] Jack: Yeah, the working quad I've still got.
[170.93] Jack: But I did somehow break the receiver on that.
[175.49] Jack: So I've had to... And I moved FETs over to that because I RP'd it.
[180.93] Jack: And then... Because I bought new BT connectors that fold back on itself.
[188.93] Jack: If anyone needs any of these, I do have a few spare.
[196.03] Jack: But, yeah, those props just fly off, but they were...
[201.31] Jack: If it had an F3 board on it, those props were easily made in 2016.
[208.83] Koel: Or see...
[209.39] Koel: Yeah, there's definitely a crack on the sides.
[213.71] Koel: It's not holding in.
[215.23] Koel: But I have props on the way.
[217.23] Koel: Only problem is Canada Post is on strike right now.
[223.07] Koel: So I have no...
[223.87] Koel: How did you get your batteries, then?
[226.67] Koel: Some random third-party, no-name company that AliExpress apparently uses.
[233.23] Koel: Maybe my props will come that way, too.
[235.55] Koel: But we'll see.
[237.23] Koel: An only heart.
[238.51] Koel: I got... You know, it was fun.
[239.55] Koel: It was my first time flying a loop, and I got to fly, and I got to fly.
[243.39] Koel: Then all of a sudden, it was just like...
[246.11] Koel: I'm like, oh.
[247.15] Koel: Then I hear something landing on the ground.
[249.07] Koel: Like, whatever.
[249.87] Koel: I'm like, oh, what the hell was that?
[250.99] Koel: Oh, there's no prop on there now.
[253.23] Koel: But...
[254.69] Jack: I think that's technically my fault, because I removed them.
[258.69] Jack: I should have just left them on.
[260.93] Jack: Yeah.
[262.61] Jack: So I think it's me.
[263.81] Jack: Because once you put them on, you should never really take them off.
[268.21] Curry: I would really prefer it if Wook's just had...
[270.85] Curry: You know, you can put a couple of...
[272.45] Curry: There's some with screw holes in the hub,
[275.17] Curry: and you can just put a couple through there.
[276.77] Jack: Yeah.
[277.17] Curry: Because either they're too loose...
[278.45] Jack: Or a central one.
[280.45] Curry: Yeah.
[280.77] Curry: Or they're too tight.
[281.73] Curry: And when they're too tight, it's like you're trying to put the thing on,
[285.33] Curry: and it just won't go.
[288.29] Jack: Tony's appeared.
[289.25] Jack: Hello, Tony.
[290.37] Curry: Hey, buddy.
[291.49] Tony: Hello.
[294.37] Tony: It's cold.
[295.09] Tony: I've just come upstairs, and I have to put the heat in a little bit.
[299.09] Koel: Yeah.
[299.25] Koel: How cold is it there?
[300.37] Koel: Because here, it's been like minus 10 for the last couple days.
[304.21] Tony: It's not that cold.
[305.01] Tony: It's still about six, four degrees, six degrees.
[308.45] Tony: Just wet and drizzly, basically.
[310.61] Tony: It's horrible.
[312.61] Koel: Yeah, it's been snowing and blowing here, man.
[316.93] Koel: It's been crazy.
[317.97] Koel: It's been really cold, and it's not very fun.
[321.97] Jack: I might have a lead to a fireworks slash drone display guy.
[330.53] Jack: I was mentioning it.
[331.97] Jack: I was talking, and they were like,
[333.17] Jack: oh, yeah, I know someone who does that.
[335.01] Jack: I was like, can you put me in touch with them?
[337.33] Jack: Oh, really?
[337.73] Jack: So hopefully that will go somewhere
[339.57] Jack: so we can talk to them on the show
[342.61] Jack: and learn about how difficult or not difficult it is.
[348.45] Tony: I think you just need 10 people to run out and turn on 1,000 drones in one unit.
[355.49] Curry: I think the investment of 1,000 drones is one of the things holding us back.
[359.17] Curry: We could do it with four.
[360.53] Curry: We could smell out.
[362.37] Curry: Well, we could just do a square.
[363.81] Tony: I was knowing us we'd put a giant penis in the sky, but it would only be me.
[368.77] Tony: Yeah.
[369.25] Jack: We'd think we would.
[371.09] Jack: Yeah, I mean, if there's on LDO, if it's me, you, Stephen, enough of us are frank,
[381.25] Jack: and we all just built two or three each, then we could just go around putting cocks in the sky.
[389.17] Jack: I think it would be an interesting hobby.
[391.97] Tony: Do you think that's what's happening in New Jersey at the moment?
[396.85] Jack: News topic.
[397.73] Jack: There you go, Curry.
[399.01] Jack: News topic.
[399.89] Jack: Tony, give us your excuse.
[401.89] Jack: Wait, what is this?
[402.61] Curry: What is this word speaking of?
[404.21] Curry: See, Cole Edna.
[405.41] Curry: I only knew about something because there was an ex-jet video that said explaining the
[409.57] Curry: New Jersey drones.
[410.61] Curry: I was like, what New Jersey drones?
[411.73] Curry: So I hadn't watched it.
[412.37] Curry: So Tony, please tell us what's happening.
[414.29] Tony: Oh, I've just been seeing lots of planes in the sky and people saying it's...
[418.21] Tony: That's because you live near Gatwick.
[420.29] Tony: I've got videos of people saying, oh, look, there's drones flying from the sea into New
[427.09] Tony: Jersey, but they all look like planes, do they?
[431.09] Tony: It's weird.
[434.29] Tony: I don't know.
[434.85] Tony: There's apparently they're all coming in from the sea somewhere.
[439.57] Curry: From the sea.
[441.57] Curry: Is this the problem of people don't understand how the horizon works?
[445.01] Curry: So they see something rise up.
[447.25] Curry: It's like, my God, it's come from the sea.
[449.81] Curry: Something like that.
[452.77] Tony: Someone in office is saying there's a ship, an Iranian ship off the coast,
[463.25] Tony: and they're flying drones from the Iranian ship into New Jersey and New York, which I can't
[469.57] Tony: believe.
[470.37] Curry: I kind of think the US Navy would have something to say about that.
[473.17] Curry: Yeah, I do.
[474.69] Jack: Do you remember the female officer who was pursued by a drone that turned out to be Jupiter?
[483.33] Tony: I do remember that.
[484.53] Tony: I was brought up on something I heard the other day, actually.
[488.85] Tony: Mental.
[489.33] Tony: Anyway, the ones I've seen on YouTube or the news, what are you doing?
[495.25] Tony: Just look like planes because they've got the right flashing lights in the right places.
[500.69] Tony: You know, the green and red lights.
[505.97] Curry: I mean, I do know that drones have landing lights and stuff and sort of nav lights so
[512.69] Curry: people can tell where they are.
[514.85] Tony: But why would you, if you're a foreign adversary, even light up your drone if you're sneaking
[520.53] Tony: around?
[521.73] Curry: Exactly.
[525.09] Tony: They've got stuff on the, you know, they've got a rear white light as well.
[530.53] Tony: So it just looks to me like people are diamond looking at planes.
[535.57] Tony: It's quite big.
[536.21] Tony: It's the size of the car.
[537.73] Tony: There was one I put on my Instagram.
[539.49] Tony: It was actually, you know, that flying car thing.
[543.97] Tony: Have you seen it?
[545.65] Curry: I don't know if there's various.
[548.61] Tony: Ken Heron's videoed it.
[550.69] Tony: He flew around it with his drone.
[552.69] Tony: If you know Ken Heron.
[554.77] Tony: Someone pulled the flying car up.
[557.25] Tony: Oh, anyway, that was pictured and in the news and there was even this one off California
[562.29] Tony: flying and I thought, I've seen that before.
[565.01] Tony: It's one of the just a big flying drone.
[568.21] Tony: It's just, I don't know.
[569.57] Tony: It just seems weird that everyone's just going mental about, you know,
[572.61] Curry: of what I've heard being described.
[574.21] Curry: It does sound uncannily like planes coming into land.
[577.57] Tony: Yeah, especially with the right lights.
[580.45] Tony: It's like red, is it red, left and green, right on the wings and then a white one at
[586.77] Tony: the back.
[589.22] Tony: It just, I don't know.
[591.14] Jack: Well, if I did have an overt drone and it was easy to be detected, then I would put air traffic
[598.42] Jack: lights on so that people would just think it is a plane.
[602.34] Tony: That could be possible, Jack.
[604.82] Curry: I've often said it would be fun to produce UFO reports just by putting a big drone up in the
[610.18] Curry: sky and having the right LEDs, just, you know, do these sort of pulsating round lights.
[614.66] Curry: That will get people going for sure.
[617.54] Tony: Just make a bright torches.
[620.98] Curry: Yeah.
[621.46] Jack: Do you know what I would have really done is if I had really big balls,
[628.02] Jack: I would have loved to have gone to Gatwick with a fishing rod and a picture of a drone and like
[636.82] Jack: dangled in front of the camera, dangled in front of like the police officers and stuff.
[642.74] Jack: You shouldn't put a little bit of it as it spins around.
[646.58] Jack: It has the words written on it.
[650.18] Jack: Good luck editing that plan nine from outer space.
[653.14] Jack: I do know if I bought you the poster that that Mulder had on his wall, would you put it up?
[662.34] Tony: I don't know what poster is.
[664.26] Jack: I want to believe.
[666.18] Jack: Yeah, I want to believe.
[667.38] Jack: Yeah.
[668.18] Tony: Well, I do believe I don't want to.
[670.34] Tony: Well, I believe there's aliens and UFOs out there.
[674.02] Jack: Hey, Alexander.
[674.98] Jack: How are you doing, buddy?
[675.78] Jack: You're all right.
[676.58] Jack: Hey, Alexander.
[680.02] Curry: Do you know, I attempted to hover something today.
[688.26] Jack: Because I'm going to see menace.
[690.9] Jack: Oh, nice guy.
[697.86] Jack: He doesn't have anything to talk about.
[704.1] Curry: It's this.
[705.06] Curry: This has been on my floor for about four months
[710.34] Curry: from a company called H H E Q.
[712.9] Curry: I think it was.
[714.5] Curry: And what the heck?
[715.86] Curry: You're an asshole.
[716.98] Curry: We were having issues because this is the one I showed you, Jack.
[722.74] Curry: Remember where I showed you the internals and they put random wires on every connection.
[728.98] Curry: So when you see a red wire, you assume it's like five bolts or something.
[731.94] Curry: And it's like not.
[732.98] Curry: And we just whatever we like, we just randomly do it.
[735.62] Curry: So I had to re-pin everything.
[739.62] Curry: And then it's it runs.
[742.26] Curry: I'll do pilot in some way, but not.
[744.98] Curry: So I was using Q ground control and I would connect to it.
[748.5] Curry: And it would say, I don't know what the firmware is.
[750.82] Curry: I can't go to parameters.
[751.94] Curry: I can't do anything.
[752.98] Curry: And I kept reporting this saying it doesn't work.
[755.46] Curry: And they're like, Oh, get the latest version.
[757.38] Curry: I was like, Okay, I've got the latest version.
[759.14] Curry: It doesn't work.
[759.62] Curry: Can you send us a video of you downloading latest version and testing it by?
[762.74] Curry: Okay, done that yet still doesn't work.
[765.7] Curry: What now?
[766.18] Curry: It's like, Oh, right.
[767.22] Curry: Okay.
[767.54] Curry: What did you try on Android instead of your Mac?
[770.42] Curry: I can just get Android tablet and let's do that.
[773.06] Curry: No, that still doesn't work.
[774.18] Curry: What about windows?
[775.06] Curry: Like, okay, to get windows like tries.
[776.98] Curry: Nope, still doesn't work.
[778.02] Curry: Send them videos SMU videos back with them showing them working.
[782.42] Curry: And eventually they came back with, Oh, you're using the latest version.
[786.02] Curry: Don't use that.
[786.9] Curry: It's what they told me to do previously.
[788.74] Curry: Use this version, which is a version from 2019,
[793.3] Curry: which I wouldn't have necessarily tried because it's about 30 versions back.
[797.7] Curry: So I eventually managed to get this thing connected to Q ground control.
[803.3] Curry: So I could do the compass calibration.
[806.18] Curry: That was the important thing to do.
[807.86] Curry: And I attempted to hover it in the garden because I thought I just hover it.
[812.18] Curry: Make sure it's okay.
[813.22] Curry: Land it again.
[814.34] Curry: Not be a problem.
[815.78] Curry: I will present this to you and then we can have a chat about it
[821.46] Curry: because it didn't didn't quite go with this plan.
[825.3] Curry: So I arm it.
[826.82] Curry: It was going away again.
[827.78] Curry: I would not do that in my goal.
[830.34] Curry: Well, I thought it would just pop up and hover.
[832.34] Curry: So what is happening is it's armed and I start raising the throttle a little bit.
[838.34] Curry: And then this happens.
[846.9] Curry: So I will talk you through
[850.5] Curry: why I'm talking back to myself here, which is all very interesting.
[857.46] Curry: So what happened is I've got my radio.
[861.46] Curry: I press arm, props start spinning.
[864.26] Curry: I was like, oh, okay.
[865.06] Curry: So I start going like this, going like this.
[866.58] Curry: Nothing's happening.
[867.14] Curry: Nothing's happening.
[868.1] Curry: At some point, it suddenly went, boom.
[869.94] Curry: And I went, oh, no.
[871.06] Curry: And I did the normal quad finger, drop the throttle, disarm it, expecting it to stop.
[877.38] Curry: Unbeknownst to me, on the computer that was running Q ground control,
[881.46] Curry: it said, well, not disarm because you're not in manual mode and you haven't landed.
[886.58] Curry: So it ignored the fact I disarmed it.
[888.42] Curry: It was just like, I'm going to try and fly over the ground
[890.82] Curry: and started scooting around everywhere.
[892.58] Curry: So I think what's happening is when they produce things in sort of their commercial things,
[899.46] Curry: I reckon they've got the sort of DJI thing about your stick is sprung back to center.
[905.22] Curry: So I think 50% is zero and that is your upstick and that is your downstick,
[910.98] Curry: which I think.
[911.54] Curry: But I've decided I need a slightly bigger space to practice the hovering to make sure
[917.7] Curry: it actually does hover.
[920.34] Curry: So I'm going to take it to a proper field next time.
[923.22] Curry: As yeah, it's a bit, it's a bit tricksy there.
[926.1] Curry: I just didn't, I didn't trust it as soon as I was like, oh, come down.
[929.06] Tony: I would love it.
[930.5] Curry: And then bad things happened.
[933.38] Koel: Scary.
[934.26] Koel: It looks nice though.
[935.22] Koel: It does look like a nice unit.
[936.58] Jack: Have you not got like a fail safe button where you can press it and it all into photosafe?
[942.74] Curry: Well, I've got returned to home.
[945.46] Curry: I don't really want it to happen if I press that.
[950.02] Curry: But normally I would expect disarm to like stop the motors.
[954.74] Curry: The fact, because this thing comes with two modes.
[956.98] Curry: It's like position and altitude.
[959.46] Curry: And I didn't know I wouldn't be able to disarm it.
[962.34] Curry: So it's like disarm and it just says, no, you're doing it wrong.
[966.1] Tony: You're trying to catch me.
[967.3] Tony: You've flown this week for what?
[969.7] Tony: One second.
[971.78] Curry: I don't think we can really call it one second.
[973.7] Curry: I hoped.
[976.58] Tony: I've flown.
[978.9] Tony: I videoed myself car cleaning with a drone and that was about five seconds.
[984.5] Jack: It flies itself.
[985.62] Jack: You didn't even fly it.
[987.62] Tony: I didn't actually just put it, put it in the right position and let it hover.
[993.06] Tony: It was a bit windy, they say.
[995.22] Jack: It wasn't great, but yeah.
[997.46] Jack: Have you lost your C2 or C1 or whatever?
[1001.94] Tony: 2025, it runs out, I think.
[1005.62] Jack: Are you not supposed to be like submitting flight logs and all that sort of shit?
[1010.34] Tony: No, it's just an A2 license, which gives you, you can fly nearer to people and houses
[1018.9] Tony: with permission.
[1021.3] Tony: Oh my God.
[1022.34] Tony: And it runs.
[1023.06] Tony: Yeah, I'm sure it runs out 2025.
[1025.62] Tony: And then you have to do it again, which I probably won't bother doing unless I
[1031.7] Tony: think flying the 250 gram drone, which I'm doing anyway, I can fly near houses if the
[1039.46] Tony: people give me permission.
[1041.7] Tony: Like, so if I went to your house to look in your gutters to get them cleaned,
[1046.66] Tony: if you give me permission to fly over your house, I'm sure I can do that without having to
[1052.1] Tony: do any tests or anything.
[1054.98] Koel: Yeah, I mean, and then you have your Neo too, that you don't really have to worry
[1059.22] Koel: about anything with that, right?
[1060.58] Tony: No, that's 137 grams or something ridiculous.
[1064.58] Curry: Yeah.
[1065.46] Curry: We're still on the current law of like under 250 grams, pretty much do what you like,
[1070.34] Curry: sort of thing, isn't it?
[1071.46] Tony: Pretty much.
[1071.94] Koel: But he's got a camera on it though.
[1073.22] Tony: Pretty sure.
[1074.9] Koel: It doesn't matter though, having a camera on it.
[1077.94] Koel: Yeah, it's got to be registered.
[1080.34] Koel: Where's Frank?
[1081.14] Koel: So stupid, in my open opinion, humble opinion here.
[1085.46] Tony: I mean, yeah, I'm registered anyway, you know, I've got insurance.
[1088.26] Curry: So yeah, I think we've, we've under 250, even with a camera, you can pretty much do whatever
[1096.58] Curry: because that's how all those what they call themselves.
[1099.86] Curry: Yeah.
[1100.18] Curry: That just go around and antagonize people.
[1102.18] Tony: They're literally flying over factories and everyone's going mental coming out and security
[1107.3] Tony: guards going mental, but they can't actually do nothing.
[1109.46] Koel: Please tell everything.
[1111.62] Koel: The guys that are just pushing their luck, basically, or like, you know,
[1116.26] Tony: they're auditing Britain, DJ audits, all that kind of, they warm me up.
[1123.54] Tony: They do warm me up, especially with the flying bit.
[1128.58] Tony: Yeah.
[1130.5] Curry: Yes, I think the reason it's going to, they're going to clamp down on like sub 250
[1135.54] Curry: drones because those guys, there's this, there's this hole in the law, quick patch it up.
[1142.66] Jack: Yeah.
[1143.94] Koel: Because they want to stand around and beat.
[1147.7] Koel: But I guess my question is, is it a law or is it a regulation?
[1153.94] Curry: It's a, it's a, it's a regulation, but it is in, in law as well.
[1159.14] Curry: It's like no regulations, all those.
[1162.66] Curry: Yeah.
[1163.06] Curry: Well, it's regulations for different bodies, isn't there?
[1166.82] Curry: But these ones happen to be law as well.
[1169.94] Curry: Yeah.
[1171.62] Koel: They got you over there.
[1173.14] Koel: Yeah.
[1176.02] Curry: I mean, not that anybody here follows the legal president to the letter.
[1181.46] Curry: We're more of the common sense idea, aren't we?
[1184.1] Curry: Like someone commented on a video saying, I thought a hundred milliwatts was still the
[1187.7] Curry: limit on radios.
[1188.66] Curry: It's like, well, it is, but the question is like, if you're in the middle of a field
[1193.46] Curry: kilometers away from anybody and it goes beyond that, will anybody notice?
[1197.38] Curry: It's like, if a tree falls down and no one's there to hear it, will it make a noise?
[1202.26] Curry: Yeah.
[1202.58] Curry: It's a lot simpler.
[1205.46] Tony: Yeah.
[1205.86] Tony: Still don't know.
[1208.74] Curry: I like the spotter.
[1209.7] Curry: Yeah.
[1209.94] Curry: We all have spotters.
[1211.06] Curry: No.
[1211.54] Koel: Yeah.
[1212.98] Koel: Yeah.
[1213.46] Koel: We all fly with spotters every time.
[1215.62] Tony: What's the Canadian rules about DJI ban?
[1219.3] Tony: Do you know, Cole?
[1222.42] Tony: Do you still want to be able to import them and stuff when this literal ban comes in?
[1229.38] Koel: I haven't really heard any people having any issues or anything.
[1232.74] Koel: I mean, I think it's maybe more of an American thing, but, um, I also haven't really looked
[1237.86] Tony: into it, but did you see that?
[1244.18] Koel: No.
[1244.9] Tony: What's the time I'm going to watch this back.
[1246.74] Tony: My daughter's.
[1249.38] Curry: I've got to say for the over in Tony's place.
[1252.02] Tony: Well, weirdly, my neighbor text me and said they're having weird stuff happen in their, um,
[1258.98] Tony: house next door.
[1261.14] Tony: And that just happened.
[1262.02] Curry: Good news.
[1263.14] Curry: Get Danny over.
[1263.86] Curry: He doesn't hear ghost hunter.
[1267.78] Tony: Danny news.
[1268.82] Curry: So who is that?
[1270.02] Curry: Take it behind you, Tony.
[1271.06] Curry: You haven't introduced us.
[1275.62] Curry: Ghostly apparition.
[1277.86] Curry: So we actually had like a proper storm in the UK.
[1280.66] Curry: I don't know about you guys.
[1281.94] Curry: It was, um, my, my garden furniture was dancing around the garden the entire night.
[1288.98] Curry: I had to go and pick loads of stuff up.
[1290.98] Curry: It was really blowing.
[1293.78] Tony: Oh, I'm glad we've had all the storms.
[1295.62] Tony: All the storms have allowed me to do some much needed work.
[1301.14] Tony: Normally at this time of year, I do lots of gut cleaning, but sometimes it goes on till,
[1307.22] Tony: you know, January and stuff like that.
[1308.9] Tony: And then I'll get ice in the guys and I can't do it.
[1311.06] Tony: But because we've had all the storms, it's literally took all the leaves off the trees
[1314.5] Tony: and into people's gutters and making me money.
[1317.62] Tony: So I'm happy.
[1318.74] Tony: But I did turn on a customer's house today and round the back of their, um, although
[1326.98] Tony: conservatory, we had, um, they had a massive hail storm and there's just tiny holes all
[1333.14] Tony: across their conservatory, ripped it to shreds, seven grand worth of damage.
[1340.42] Tony: Yeah.
[1342.66] Tony: So yeah, that was quite bad.
[1344.18] Jack: When I used to live in Wales, there's a Facebook hub group and I went on there and like,
[1350.9] Jack: watched all the local and someone's trampoline had crashed into a land post and wrapped
[1358.42] Jack: itself around it.
[1359.86] Jack: It'd be so much for us and there was down trees onto cars and stuff.
[1365.86] Jack: It was absolute carnage.
[1369.86] Jack: Yeah, we've, well, this is off.
[1372.26] Tony: Yeah, we've, well, this is off for full storm in this year.
[1377.46] Jack: What just happened?
[1378.98] Tony: I think it's number four.
[1381.14] Jack: The climate change.
[1382.26] Jack: No, no, no, no.
[1384.1] Jack: I don't believe in any of that.
[1386.1] Jack: The water's rising.
[1387.38] Jack: Isn't that right, Tony?
[1389.3] Tony: No, I don't believe in any of that.
[1391.3] Jack: And we're all going to drown in the dome.
[1393.7] Tony: I didn't believe in any of that.
[1396.34] Tony: I believe in a user.
[1399.38] Jack: And ghosts.
[1400.98] Jack: Well, I wouldn't give the go ghost hunting with Tony again.
[1405.94] Jack: It was so funny.
[1407.94] Jack: I turned into mud.
[1409.62] Tony: I like that kind of stuff.
[1412.1] Jack: As all I did was just giggle like a muttly.
[1417.38] Jack: I just, my face hurt.
[1423.22] Jack: I thought, I thought like ghost hunting, I would be scared.
[1427.54] Jack: I laughed so much.
[1429.38] Jack: I threw up Janna.
[1430.82] Tony: Well, you actually did so long and so hard.
[1440.34] Tony: Haven't you got any video of that?
[1443.22] Tony: No, I wish I had video.
[1447.06] Jack: It was just so funny that I threw up.
[1451.7] Jack: Like I actually, you know, when you've done me, because I start trying to throw up.
[1458.74] Jack: Because it just, I laughed that long and that hard.
[1463.78] Jack: Oh God, there was Tony like scared and I'm just throwing up.
[1470.98] Koel: Wait, I need more of a backing story on this because I'm out of the loop.
[1476.82] Tony: Did we go to a castle somewhere?
[1478.98] Jack: We broke into a castle, basically.
[1484.18] Jack: It was AI, right?
[1485.22] Jack: It was just AI.
[1486.18] Jack: Yeah, whatever.
[1491.94] Jack: We were there and we just stayed there like most of the night.
[1497.7] Jack: You know, we went round and like the person we were,
[1501.22] Jack: like done research about like all the haunted bits and who's been a haunt here and where.
[1506.74] Jack: And I just, I didn't take any of it in.
[1510.66] Jack: I was just laughing and poor Tony.
[1513.62] Jack: We made him wear this like gimp strap, like bra with a GoPro with what looked to be anal beads,
[1524.5] Jack: like a gorilla grab and it just had a camera in his face with a light on.
[1530.1] Jack: And he's getting all scared.
[1532.74] Tony: It was like the Blair Witch problem.
[1535.22] Tony: It was cold and I had a snotty nose.
[1537.7] Jack: Oh, and it was then them two taking the tour seriously.
[1544.02] Jack: And me just crawling behind laughing all the time to the point where,
[1551.7] Jack: just before we were about to leave, Tony knocked something over and it made a big thud.
[1559.3] Jack: It made him jump.
[1560.9] Jack: And then I just was laughing in the center of it so much.
[1565.86] Jack: And then I started vomiting and laughing down the well.
[1572.18] Jack: Because obviously I didn't want to leave like mess because, you know,
[1575.54] Jack: we weren't supposed to be in there.
[1578.42] Jack: Throwing up and then just laughing and then throwing up more.
[1585.3] Curry: It wasn't on me.
[1586.1] Curry: It was ectoplasm.
[1587.7] Jack: Yeah, it was leaving you.
[1590.34] Jack: Oh God.
[1591.22] Jack: Yeah.
[1591.86] Jack: The power of Christ compelled me.
[1594.74] Tony: Yeah.
[1594.9] Tony: Is that on that?
[1595.7] Tony: You've got on Jack.
[1596.98] Jack: So it's Christmas one.
[1598.42] Tony: What's it saying?
[1599.22] Tony: Merry Christmas.
[1600.98] Jack: Yeah.
[1601.22] Jack: And it's got like a flip up owner for Santa.
[1604.1] Jack: I was at a Christmas party, but I rushed back and got several taxis because
[1611.54] Jack: Curry was not supposed to have shown up.
[1614.66] Jack: We almost didn't have a show.
[1616.5] Jack: Everyone's Christmas parties on the same day.
[1618.74] Jack: Stephen's is.
[1620.02] Jack: Frank's is.
[1620.74] Jack: Mine was.
[1621.86] Tony: Mine was.
[1622.5] Tony: I didn't go.
[1624.26] Jack: I, did you really, you worked for yourself though.
[1629.06] Jack: How are you going to take yourself out?
[1634.42] Tony: No, I got invited out by rich.
[1637.46] Jack: Oh, nice.
[1640.74] Jack: I brought one of those like Christmas tree things.
[1648.02] Jack: Like the sort of where you sort of the Christmas tree up and I brought one and me and a colleague
[1656.18] Jack: sat there and made it.
[1657.14] Jack: And then it turns out that we put all the LEDs are on way around.
[1661.54] Jack: Everything else is correct.
[1662.98] Jack: But the LEDs, nothing lit up.
[1666.34] Jack: Yeah.
[1666.74] Jack: So wow.
[1669.94] Jack: Yeah.
[1670.34] Jack: So I printed, I printed a little mini solder reel that Cole's very familiar with.
[1677.06] Jack: Yep.
[1677.62] Jack: And he was like, Oh man, this is an excellent idea.
[1682.42] Jack: And I rolled some solder on it.
[1684.82] Jack: So, yep, got so much lead.
[1689.3] Tony: Did you start talking about what we're doing Saturday?
[1694.66] Jack: No.
[1696.02] Jack: Well, we get to see menace.
[1698.66] Jack: We are seeing that's what I'm more most excited about.
[1702.26] Jack: Tony, do you want to fill them in?
[1703.62] Tony: No, you were actually me.
[1705.62] Tony: Yeah.
[1706.66] UNKNOWN: Yeah.
[1706.98] Jack: We meet now.
[1707.7] Jack: Really?
[1708.66] Jack: Frank, Tony, we're going to go fly.
[1714.98] Tony: And then I didn't know that man.
[1719.94] Jack: You know,
[1723.14] Jack: during the day and we told me I started charging.
[1728.5] Jack: Well, the batteries on the go.
[1730.9] Jack: I'm ready.
[1731.86] Jack: I didn't get told that, but okay.
[1734.74] Tony: We're not flying.
[1736.1] Tony: Well, I don't know.
[1737.14] Tony: Snooze to me.
[1738.74] Tony: Also, I thought we were going to see a drone show.
[1742.1] Jack: Yeah.
[1742.34] Jack: Then we're going to go see a drone show.
[1744.34] Jack: Oh, cool.
[1744.82] Jack: Like with LEDs and we're going to program it.
[1749.14] Tony: Take over the program and get it to bright LDO in the sky.
[1753.22] Jack: Oh God.
[1753.7] Jack: That would be a bunch of free drones.
[1756.1] Jack: Drone jamming.
[1757.3] Jack: I know it's done by lips and I'm going to see whether I can talk to them and see whether
[1764.34] Jack: they'll come on and chat to us.
[1766.26] Tony: I'm watching that big Yeti coming towards you at the end of the show.
[1771.94] Jack: Sorry, that's my Yeti.
[1774.26] Jack: I'm practicing.
[1774.98] Tony: Do you know how many drones they've got?
[1777.3] Tony: What are they called?
[1778.26] Tony: Who are they called?
[1781.84] Jack: Did you say eclipse or did I just make that up?
[1784.56] Jack: Yeah, I think so.
[1785.6] Jack: Yeah.
[1786.72] Jack: I think that's who it is.
[1788.48] Jack: I got loads.
[1791.6] Jack: Cole, we might need Doro to make us some business cards.
[1795.84] Jack: Okay.
[1798.24] Jack: Maybe I could print one off on the old printer.
[1803.3] Jack: Okay.
[1804.5] Jack: What a pre-print.
[1805.3] Jack: At least then we can hand over a business card.
[1809.38] Jack: Yeah.
[1810.34] Jack: Just needs to be black and have LDO and some compact details on it.
[1814.74] Jack: That's it really.
[1818.26] Jack: Yeah, well, so we can...
[1822.64] Jack: They don't actually talk sense, Jack.
[1826.08] Jack: Yeah, I know.
[1827.44] Jack: They're actually professionals and we're just dickheads, but hopefully we can...
[1832.88] Jack: I don't know.
[1833.36] Jack: I can trick people into thinking they're having a sensible conversation.
[1837.44] Tony: Yeah, for about 10 seconds.
[1840.32] Jack: Yeah, I can hold it up for about two minutes.
[1842.56] Jack: That's my maximum.
[1844.08] Jack: After that, I'm like, yo, do you want to see some...
[1847.28] Jack: I threw up down a well.
[1850.32] Tony: Just need some pictures of some Jack Russell bottoms.
[1854.08] Jack: Oh, mate.
[1856.56] Jack: Andy, you're in the chat.
[1858.0] Jack: Have you still got that footage of all those dogs' arseholes?
[1862.88] Jack: I tell you what, man, if you want to be popular with dogs,
[1867.68] Jack: what you do is you get a ferret and you rub a ferret all over you,
[1872.16] Jack: and then you smell like a ferret and dogs will just sit there and sniff you all day.
[1878.8] Jack: They love...
[1879.92] Jack: If you smell like a ferret, they're into you.
[1883.36] Curry: Okay, several questions arise from that.
[1886.72] Curry: Where are you getting a ferret?
[1887.84] Curry: Why are you rubbing a ferret all over you?
[1889.44] Curry: How did you find out this works?
[1892.4] Jack: Whilst queuing up for food at that show, some bird had a ferret.
[1897.04] Jack: And I was like, I've always wanted to hold a ferret,
[1898.8] Jack: but they smell like rotten arsehole.
[1900.88] Jack: And she was like, oh, you can hold my ferret.
[1903.12] Jack: And I held the ferret.
[1904.64] Jack: And that made my bit where my arm was smell like ferret.
[1909.36] Jack: And all the dogs would just go like that to me the whole time.
[1914.16] Jack: They're like, oh, they really like you.
[1916.32] Jack: And I'm like, yeah.
[1918.4] Jack: We were at a dry shop.
[1920.96] Jack: Smell.
[1926.48] Jack: It's kind of how I imagine what Father Jack smelled like.
[1931.68] Curry: Let's say ferret is equivalent to catnip for dogs.
[1935.12] Jack: Yeah, basically.
[1936.0] Jack: Really?
[1936.72] Jack: That's how I learned they really love a good ferret smell.
[1941.92] Jack: Ferret or fox?
[1945.76] Jack: It's part of the Weasel family, isn't it?
[1948.16] Tony: So, yeah, we're all meeting up.
[1952.08] Tony: Jack.
[1952.56] Tony: Yeah.
[1953.04] Tony: Menace RC.
[1954.08] Tony: I think he may have some way to stay.
[1958.16] Tony: Yeah, I think he's got to see.
[1959.76] Tony: I think he talked about new products coming out.
[1962.4] Tony: I don't know.
[1962.96] Tony: We're going to find out what I demanded.
[1966.08] Jack: He bring a replacement shirt.
[1968.4] Jack: He's got a shirt for you.
[1969.84] Tony: So I'm brilliant.
[1971.6] Tony: I've got my bear.
[1974.32] Tony: Well done.
[1976.32] Jack: And he's got new beanies as well.
[1978.8] Jack: So there's one for Cole.
[1981.76] Tony: Sweet.
[1984.16] Curry: Is he making a comment?
[1985.76] Curry: Get charting, Tony.
[1988.48] Tony: Yeah.
[1988.88] Tony: Okay.
[1989.76] Tony: Well, if we're going to go out for a fly, then I'll have to.
[1994.16] Tony: Why the girl for any cat ferrets?
[1997.28] Tony: Yeah, dogs.
[2000.08] Jack: Does that mean a friend that is a friend?
[2003.84] Jack: Or a girlfriend as in a special lady friend?
[2009.68] Jack: I just want to know.
[2011.2] Tony: Special.
[2013.2] Jack: I know.
[2013.6] Jack: Ferrets.
[2014.08] Jack: I'm interested.
[2014.88] Tony: I didn't know.
[2017.92] Jack: I thought Jack was going to say he had a girlfriend that smelled like a ferret.
[2024.4] Tony: That's the reason why I don't smell like a ferret.
[2027.28] Tony: Probably do sniff like ferrets.
[2030.16] Tony: I don't know.
[2030.8] Jack: I thought Vicki didn't smell at all like a ferret.
[2034.88] Tony: She was quite nice.
[2036.48] Tony: Just half like a ferret.
[2037.76] Tony: You were very kind of thinking about that one.
[2040.8] Jack: The trouble is, is that I just constantly shout and in an awful mood.
[2046.56] Jack: But you know, the only thing that kind of gives me the sense of it might be okay
[2051.28] Jack: is because Shala, there's a YouTube channel called Abroad in Japan.
[2057.92] Jack: And he's a miserable English bastard.
[2059.92] Jack: And he married a very lovely Canadian called Charlotte.
[2063.84] Jack: And it's how I imagine Paul Cole's like all lovely and like, hey, I'm Canada.
[2069.44] Jack: And I'm like, he's like friendly and happy and nice.
[2072.8] Jack: And I'm just like, I just want to set him on fire.
[2078.08] Jack: So you get to live another day.
[2080.8] Jack: That's how I feel.
[2083.36] Jack: I just feel like I'm skeletal and you're like something from some sort of happy
[2089.2] Jack: cartoon.
[2090.0] Tony: Skeletal?
[2092.08] Jack: Yeah, that's how Cole makes me feel.
[2096.56] Jack: I don't know why.
[2098.48] Tony: We're pushing it with skeletal.
[2101.44] Tony: Why?
[2102.96] Tony: Oh, what?
[2103.44] Tony: Because I'm fat.
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[2108.48] Frank: Thanks, Tom.
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[2136.56] Jack: I fitted, I gave up with the onboard SD card and I fitted a
[2148.32] Jack: Oh, yeah.
[2151.44] Jack: Open lager SD cards.
[2153.44] Jack: My beat if I called Andy's running BL.
[2156.56] Jack: Hell, yes.
[2158.72] Jack: So I'm back down to eight bit.
[2161.36] Jack: Yeah, it seems to, but I've lost bi-directional and
[2167.04] Curry: why didn't you put bluejack?
[2174.79] Curry: But you seem to love just flashing different
[2177.35] Curry: burn way to ESCs constantly.
[2179.19] Curry: Why not?
[2179.75] Curry: One more.
[2181.51] Jack: Yeah, I don't know.
[2183.19] Jack: I could put blue jay.
[2185.35] Jack: But isn't it like you got to figure out what hurts it runs and stuff.
[2190.87] Jack: 90 40 on something else.
[2193.99] Curry: I think that bit's changeable.
[2195.43] Curry: I can't remember.
[2195.99] Curry: I've only flashed it to one thing.
[2198.07] Curry: And because it's like, oh, this hasn't got bi-directional D shot.
[2200.87] Curry: And then I used that and it's like, hey, no, it does.
[2204.63] Jack: It did smell like
[2207.91] Jack: it did, didn't it?
[2209.27] Jack: It hogs, man, but they're cute, man.
[2212.63] Jack: I do love, I do love a good old.
[2214.95] Curry: I remember I was in America when I was like 10 for a while and somebody wanted me to
[2222.15] Curry: go in and feed their ferret with my cousin I was staying with.
[2226.39] Curry: And it's like, oh, hey, ferret.
[2228.23] Curry: Hey, how are you doing?
[2229.11] Curry: It's like, this is quite nice, isn't it?
[2230.79] Curry: And it's like, just bit me.
[2233.03] Curry: So I'm anti ferret these days.
[2235.43] Jack: And they don't let go either.
[2238.55] Jack: They like their little jaws can lock and stuff.
[2241.27] Jack: It's awful.
[2241.99] Curry: They can do this one.
[2242.87] Curry: Didn't let go.
[2244.31] Curry: Yes, it's hilarious against me.
[2247.75] Jack: I wasn't food like Tony's ex-girlfriend bites to see whether you're alive.
[2257.83] Jack: Thanks.
[2259.99] Jack: It was, I tell you what, man, you uploaded a video.
[2262.63] Jack: Speaking of that.
[2263.19] Jack: You uploaded a video tone of your, what was it?
[2267.51] Jack: Hubson X.
[2270.63] Jack: It was an X4.
[2273.19] Jack: And he got his camera and VTX combos on top of it with blue tack and was flying it around his house.
[2282.71] Tony: That was 10 years ago.
[2285.19] Tony: 10 years, man.
[2287.59] Tony: That was the first fat shark goggles I still got on the black ones.
[2291.67] Tony: I can't remember them in cold.
[2294.15] Jack: Dominator V ones.
[2296.87] Jack: Yeah.
[2297.19] Jack: They're black.
[2298.87] Jack: And then my first ones as well.
[2300.79] Tony: And then the hubs flying around and round.
[2305.35] Tony: You see which wire flow left?
[2307.35] Tony: Not wrong.
[2308.87] Jack: Yeah.
[2309.59] Jack: Do you know, do you know what?
[2312.15] Jack: Simon Bradley called me up and I said, like, LDO still going.
[2316.63] Jack: And his only response is now.
[2319.27] Tony: That's about right.
[2322.87] Jack: I know.
[2323.67] Jack: We outlived the original flight test.
[2327.91] Jack: We outlived iDrone.
[2330.39] Jack: We've outlived drone junkie.
[2335.35] Jack: We've outlived Raggy.
[2341.62] Jack: I mean, is fossil stuff still going?
[2344.9] Jack: I think so.
[2346.66] Jack: Yeah, we haven't outlived them, but they've kind of gone and went.
[2350.9] Jack: Who else?
[2351.38] Jack: The podcast, we have.
[2354.02] Jack: Do you know who else we outlived?
[2356.5] Jack: First person view.
[2358.9] Jack: We've outlived first person view.
[2361.86] Jack: First like thing.
[2364.74] Jack: Who else has LDO outlived?
[2366.9] Jack: We're like a cockroach on this hobby.
[2370.74] Curry: Well, I mean, fortunately, we don't depend on selling things.
[2374.26] Curry: We're just like a cost center to ourselves.
[2377.7] Curry: We're like something that just went die.
[2379.38] Curry: Like a cockroach.
[2380.26] Jack: I checked it with a nightmare for Frank to budge it.
[2386.34] Tony: We're going to quit the 10th.
[2391.3] Jack: I kind of hope you guys would carry on, even if it is just.
[2396.98] Tony: Do you definitely quit?
[2400.1] Jack: Well, me, I just need enough time
[2405.62] Jack: to hopefully get accepted to go to the open night of the hack this way.
[2411.22] Jack: So that's what I want to do.
[2413.3] Jack: It's on a Thursday year.
[2415.86] Jack: Because I kind of want to get better electronics.
[2420.98] Jack: You know, I kind of, I think, and I go.
[2423.7] Curry: Shame your Christmas tree.
[2424.74] Curry: Look, we only made one mistake and that was to put every single LED on backwards.
[2429.7] Jack: Shut your horn mouth.
[2431.62] Jack: Have you got it with you?
[2434.26] Jack: No, I've got that.
[2435.62] Jack: I gave it to the other guy because because believe it or not,
[2440.58] Jack: I got one in my series now.
[2442.58] Jack: Hang on.
[2443.06] Jack: I'll be back.
[2446.02] Koel: I have not been out, man.
[2447.22] Koel: My like, as soon as the cold weather comes in Canada, my.
[2450.82] Koel: It's minus 12.
[2451.94] Koel: Yeah, my drones go into hibernation.
[2454.82] Koel: So yeah.
[2458.42] Tony: Have you flown in the snow, though?
[2460.02] Tony: Made a nice video before.
[2462.1] Tony: Because everyone must.
[2465.14] Koel: I mean, I've flown.
[2467.78] Koel: A type of drone in the snow before.
[2469.62] Koel: I don't know if I've ever actually flown FPV in the snow.
[2473.38] Tony: Oh, you got to go and do a vid now then.
[2476.1] Curry: It's got to be nice if it's like a nice blue sky and the snows on for it.
[2479.7] Curry: It's just as long as it's not windy because that windshield is going to kill you, isn't it?
[2484.5] Koel: Well, that's the thing is like I would definitely.
[2488.66] Koel: Okay, it's the fingers.
[2490.02] Koel: That's the real thing is the fingers.
[2491.46] Koel: Being frozen.
[2492.26] Koel: So like I filmed this lighting of the lights a couple of weeks ago
[2498.02] Koel: and it hadn't even snowed yet.
[2500.1] Koel: And it was freaking cold.
[2504.34] Koel: My fingers like I could barely fly properly.
[2506.66] Koel: And this was just like a little sub 250 DJI mini.
[2510.5] Koel: And I couldn't imagine trying to fly Acro with frozen fingers.
[2516.1] Curry: It's horrible.
[2517.62] Curry: There was I did a review of my heated fleece, which was very nice.
[2522.34] Curry: And I asked people about what they suggested on gloves,
[2525.38] Curry: because obviously, if you wear gloves, you can't feel the stick.
[2527.94] Curry: So that doesn't work.
[2528.74] Curry: But if you take your hands out, then you also can't feel the sticks
[2531.62] Curry: because your fingers have just gone down.
[2533.38] Curry: And a lot of people pointed me to Nick Burns did a video about these heated FPV gloves,
[2538.9] Curry: where they've got these little pop off things for like thumbs and the fingers,
[2542.26] Curry: if you want to use them.
[2542.98] Curry: So the gloves themselves are heated.
[2544.74] Curry: And then you're just the end of the thumbs on.
[2546.74] Curry: And I think one of the key things as well is instead of using metal,
[2550.1] Curry: just raw metal sticks, which obviously get very cold,
[2552.5] Curry: you get some TPU prints and stick them over the top.
[2554.74] Curry: So you haven't got like, hold the cold and try that way, which I might have a go at.
[2559.62] Tony: Is that your tree?
[2562.02] Curry: Yeah. When you saw the LEDs.
[2565.38] Curry: Do the spaces for the LEDs have a plus and a minus on them?
[2569.22] Curry: No, they don't.
[2571.46] Curry: How do you know which way around they go, then?
[2572.98] Curry: This is why you got them all around the wrong way.
[2577.06] Jack: Yeah. And we there's reference designator for the capacitors here.
[2588.02] Jack: And then with the with the capacitors, we put the negative
[2598.58] Jack: continuity.
[2600.58] Jack: So we checked and we measured and we went beep.
[2604.34] Jack: And it was like, right.
[2605.62] Jack: So the square ones are negative and they just weren't.
[2610.58] Jack: They weren't.
[2611.14] Jack: So I don't know.
[2612.42] Jack: And I don't think the LEDs were incorrect where the long lead,
[2618.42] Jack: long lead of the this is where Caroline pipes up.
[2622.18] Jack: I believe the long lead is the positive on the on the LEDs.
[2628.82] Jack: But we were we were one LED short for the top.
[2632.66] Jack: So we had to nick one from my set and we we lost a 1K resistor.
[2640.1] Jack: But they've nicked it from my kit.
[2642.26] Tony: So are you going to do a live stream when you redo this?
[2649.38] Tony: Yeah, you should.
[2650.42] Tony: The Patreon one.
[2652.82] Jack: Well, me and Cole have got to do a Patreon history video.
[2658.58] Jack: Soon.
[2659.38] Koel: When Jack Jack tortures me down the rabbit hole of FPV history.
[2664.58] Jack: Yeah, he's on flight test at the moment.
[2667.62] Jack: Yeah.
[2669.54] Jack: Well, man, these videos that you would have never have found
[2674.02] Jack: yourself come off there.
[2675.62] Jack: Oh, I'm I'm I'm just giving you a hard time, man.
[2678.58] Jack: No, it's fine.
[2681.22] Koel: I like it.
[2681.86] Koel: It's cool to see, you know, the back because the thing about Jack
[2685.38] Koel: is he's a very back in the day kind of guy.
[2688.1] Koel: Jack is a very, very back in the day kind of guy.
[2690.18] Koel: So he is the perfect age.
[2692.66] Curry: As we get older, we like to reminisce about the good old days,
[2695.38] Curry: which you kid won't know about.
[2697.54] Jack: Yeah, it was it was just different.
[2700.26] Jack: And I don't know whether it's because I was different or the hobby was different.
[2705.22] Jack: You are.
[2707.94] Jack: Because like back in the day, we had people like Richard.
[2712.74] Jack: Do you remember Richard Hartley?
[2715.7] Jack: Tone, do you remember?
[2719.14] Jack: He was lovely with his band and his parts.
[2722.02] Jack: I mean, I do remember just everyone.
[2725.38] Jack: Everyone was like super like excited.
[2728.98] Jack: And we just all wanted to be 10 years ago.
[2732.82] Tony: And that's the thing.
[2733.62] Jack: Yeah, I know.
[2734.42] Jack: And, you know, it was like everyone just want even people that Tony were racing against.
[2742.66] Jack: Would provide parks and support and get you back up in the air.
[2746.98] Jack: So you could all race each other.
[2749.22] Jack: And you just haven't you just haven't got that anymore.
[2752.9] Jack: You know, you're like, show up and like.
[2757.06] Jack: You know, the race devs are just like.
[2760.66] Jack: You can't test anything.
[2762.34] Jack: There's no time to fix anything.
[2764.74] Jack: You got up.
[2766.42] Tony: Yeah, but we have 10 10 drones stacked up.
[2770.74] Tony: They're exactly the same like back in the day, too.
[2774.18] Tony: If you're lucky.
[2775.7] Jack: Yeah, I know.
[2776.5] Jack: And they just like they just scream at you.
[2778.58] Jack: Like, you know, it's like he after he after he.
[2781.14] Jack: Like when I, you know, the only time I really enjoyed that was Hidden Valley.
[2788.58] Jack: No.
[2790.26] Jack: On Mini Air Show five, Frank was in charge and he had feedback last year that there wasn't enough
[2796.66] Jack: racing and Frank tortured those because they they were made to race.
[2804.1] Jack: They they they were just like they were like broken, like switching on the floor.
[2809.38] Jack: They were just like, you know, like, you know, like if Frank could have got away with it,
[2814.18] Jack: he would have had a megaphone and just stand on their corpses and just be like,
[2818.74] Jack: get up next to your race.
[2822.02] Jack: You know, that was 10 years ago.
[2825.38] Tony: We had a TV turn up and stuff like that.
[2829.78] Jack: And yeah, it's just like, do you know what I mean?
[2835.22] Jack: And you'd have like you'd watch videos and there'd actually be people I write write you like.
[2843.22] Curry: That's a long time ago.
[2844.26] Tony: That was definitely a long time ago.
[2848.9] Jack: He used to be able to have like Final Guide Oz on and
[2852.02] Jack: what do you mean?
[2854.58] Jack: You all agree with me.
[2859.22] Jack: They need just get naked on on stream and it would be funny.
[2863.3] Jack: You know, just.
[2868.42] Koel: You should start doing that.
[2870.42] Koel: No, no.
[2871.22] Curry: The Wild West days.
[2873.38] Curry: I mean, Numskulls just made a an idea for neoprene gloves.
[2878.02] Curry: Is there a particular millimeter?
[2879.46] Curry: Just as soon as you can get them.
[2883.19] Jack: Neoprene doesn't breathe though.
[2885.67] Jack: And also it's the stuff that they don't have to fill it in rubbish dumps with.
[2892.39] Tony: It only works if you fill it with water.
[2895.75] Curry: That's the warm in a wetsuit.
[2900.95] Curry: It takes the wind chill off if you've got some sort of covering,
[2903.67] Curry: even if it's not that thick, but it needs to be thin enough so you can feel
[2907.67] Curry: but thick enough so your hands don't freeze.
[2909.83] Curry: It's that little magic Goldilocks zone.
[2912.47] Koel: Yeah, the gloves I have right now.
[2913.91] Koel: So they cover my hands and that's great.
[2917.67] Koel: But all my my tips, my fingers get frozen.
[2920.95] Koel: Like the this area of my hand, like the like the palm and top of my palm area.
[2926.55] Koel: It's fine.
[2927.03] Koel: So what I have to end up doing is like taking my fingers out and just like
[2930.95] Koel: putting my hands like fists in my gloves to have warm hands.
[2933.91] Koel: It's not very it's not very ideal.
[2936.87] Tony: No, it's hard.
[2939.27] Curry: That's a very good point, Caroline.
[2941.83] Curry: Caroline says neoprene does breathe us.
[2943.75] Curry: It wouldn't get wet when scuba diving.
[2945.59] Curry: Good point.
[2946.07] Curry: It's not a dry suit.
[2947.11] Curry: It's a wetsuit.
[2950.47] Curry: Let me tell you who we did.
[2952.23] Curry: Did you ever watch just 70?
[2954.79] Curry: Yeah, in Australia.
[2956.55] Curry: You always used to fly around the kangaroos and stuff.
[2959.75] Jack: Yeah.
[2960.07] Jack: And I dive waterfalls and stuff.
[2963.67] Jack: Cole hasn't got to that.
[2965.11] Jack: He hasn't got to the jobs.
[2967.19] Jack: Like, you know, golden flying and stuff.
[2971.35] Jack: Yeah.
[2972.87] Tony: What else was there back in the days?
[2974.87] Tony: And, yeah.
[2975.59] Jack: Boris B.
[2976.47] Jack: Do you remember Boris?
[2977.83] Tony: Yeah.
[2978.95] Tony: Blackout.
[2980.31] Tony: Blackout.
[2981.51] Jack: Yeah.
[2981.83] Jack: Blackout the junk.
[2983.35] Tony: Little Danny.
[2985.19] Jack: That's just yes.
[2986.47] Tony: I still speak to him.
[2988.95] Tony: He flies jets now.
[2990.47] Tony: He doesn't fly drones until he flies.
[2994.31] Tony: Doesn't fly FPV, either.
[2995.83] Tony: He just flies.
[2997.43] Jack: Line of sight.
[2998.39] Tony: Line of sight jets and planes.
[3001.75] Koel: Weird.
[3005.0] Koel: Yeah.
[3005.48] Koel: There's something I don't know.
[3006.84] Koel: I've only been in the hobby for a couple of years now.
[3008.84] Koel: But like, as time goes on, like, my desire to charge batteries has like,
[3016.92] Koel: you know, it's like it's been this this curve where I'm like,
[3021.16] Koel: I would like to fly.
[3022.68] Koel: But do I want to sit around waiting for these lipo batteries?
[3025.8] Koel: For the next, like, hour.
[3029.24] Koel: And then I'm like,
[3031.4] Koel: do I have a really good spot to fly?
[3033.4] Koel: Okay.
[3033.96] Koel: It's worth the battery because it's not even just the charging.
[3037.4] Koel: It's the it's the recharging to storage value when you get home.
[3041.16] Koel: Right.
[3041.48] Koel: So it is quite a I don't know.
[3046.12] Koel: It's an investment.
[3046.92] Koel: It's a very it's very time consuming.
[3050.52] Jack: The only thing I would say is you haven't got to the point of like,
[3055.32] Jack: because not fully yet.
[3058.2] Jack: Yeah, you what it sounds like what you need is like an optimized charging thing.
[3064.36] Jack: Like, that's why I got the full thing charger.
[3068.76] Jack: And then I've got one other charger that I know it just does my Google battery
[3073.96] Jack: and like tops up other batteries.
[3076.28] Jack: And then you can buy a discharger as well, like for packs that you didn't get to
[3084.52] Jack: fly down.
[3086.04] Jack: Yeah.
[3087.32] Jack: But like,
[3089.64] Jack: God, well, has
[3092.84] Jack: is it the ISD T or whatnot has the ability where you've got,
[3099.08] Jack: is it like re recycle or something on the on the battery charger?
[3103.88] Jack: And what you do is you plug in all your batteries.
[3107.0] Jack: And then what it does is it takes the charge out of the
[3111.96] Jack: highest one batteries.
[3114.52] Jack: To run the charger and then top up the other ones.
[3119.72] Jack: So it balances.
[3122.28] Jack: Yeah.
[3123.32] Jack: So you just plug in like four or five batteries and it
[3129.64] Tony: it sort of does this minus 12 and he's in shorts.
[3134.12] Jack: I'm inside.
[3134.68] Jack: Yeah, he's inside.
[3136.12] Koel: He's not in the cave.
[3140.6] Koel: My charger, it has the ability to be powered via XT 60.
[3145.0] Koel: So if I'm ever in a scenario where I have too many batteries charged or the lights
[3150.6] Koel: gone and I can't find it.
[3151.4] Koel: Oh, there's another cat.
[3154.12] Koel: I'll use a charged battery to power the charger to discharge other batteries.
[3159.96] Koel: So then it's like I'm I'm kind of killing three birds with one stone in a way.
[3165.16] Koel: So
[3166.2] Tony: I take the flying batteries charge my airsoft batteries because they're smaller.
[3173.4] Jack: Yeah.
[3175.16] Jack: But you do the other thing with you is like you almost need like like what you've shown now.
[3183.96] Jack: You like put your chargers away into their original boxes.
[3189.8] Jack: You almost just need like a charging box that you open and just plug stuff into.
[3196.28] Koel: Yeah, it's not going to work if I travel though, because then it's going to be this big bulky thing.
[3200.2] Koel: So it's like, yeah, I know.
[3201.56] Jack: But yeah, you have like travel charges or be able to like remove them from the wall.
[3207.96] Koel: Well, that was the other thing too.
[3209.16] Koel: So the big power supply that I have that's like a big brick.
[3213.72] Koel: That is kind of a pain in the butt to travel with with this little one.
[3216.44] Koel: Although I did notice that toolkit has put out.
[3221.48] Koel: It's like a it's a lot smaller power supply and it's about half the size.
[3227.96] Koel: Let me see if I can pull it up here.
[3232.12] Koel: Yeah, it's basically the size of like the old or almost like the old MacBook brick.
[3238.44] Koel: Let me see.
[3239.88] Curry: Present like your knees for being very portable.
[3243.88] Curry: These run off.
[3245.24] Curry: So if you got like a little 60 watt USB-C thing, which I plug in, then those those are not bad.
[3252.76] Curry: It's just it's just an accessory charger to my other charges, though.
[3256.28] Curry: Who makes that?
[3258.28] Curry: That is a guy off the yeah.
[3264.68] Koel: I mean, like this little power supply here in conjunction with this would be pretty nice,
[3270.12] Koel: I think, because it's it's small and, you know, it's still it's still doing,
[3275.32] Koel: you know, 100 watt, 20 volts.
[3276.92] Koel: I can definitely I can definitely charge, you know, a good couple batteries.
[3283.16] Koel: I could trust that.
[3284.44] Koel: I mean, I've had no issues with toolkit, although something that was really stupid.
[3288.76] Koel: I did the I lost the the clover, the clover leaf cable of mine.
[3297.24] Koel: I left it in a frickin hotel when I was in the States.
[3300.36] Koel: But luckily, I had a backup one here.
[3302.44] Koel: But yeah, it's really weird because the one that I have here is like it's not as good quality.
[3308.84] Koel: It's not as thick and like it's like not as high gauge of wire, but I don't know.
[3313.96] Koel: It probably doesn't really matter that much.
[3316.92] Koel: I just don't want to travel with such a big power supply.
[3319.0] Koel: It's literally like like maybe the two and a half.
[3323.4] Jack: You know, we got you that.
[3325.88] Jack: Well, I got you that to have a home.
[3328.28] Jack: Yeah, yeah.
[3328.76] Jack: Design that you could run two things.
[3330.92] Jack: You could run your charger and run your soldering iron off it.
[3335.24] Jack: Yeah, because you were running your soldering iron off batteries.
[3339.32] Jack: And I was like taking it right the way down.
[3342.68] Jack: And you're using that as a test pack as well.
[3345.8] Jack: Yeah, it was just a way of when you were soldering, you could plug that in and plug the quad in.
[3354.28] Jack: You know, like to provide the quad with power.
[3358.76] Jack: And then, you know, like, yeah, you know, like you've got that little, you know, like in wall
[3367.0] Jack: charger that just, you know, balance charges stuff.
[3371.0] Jack: It's just like, yeah, get get something necessary for travel.
[3375.4] Jack: I mean, I'm over here on my high horse.
[3377.96] Jack: I can't bring that four thing charger, but I never travel or never go anywhere.
[3382.84] Koel: Well, the thing I've noticed about the like the quad or the four
[3387.8] Koel: four output or four input, whatever chargers is that
[3392.44] Koel: they're always like like thick and chunky and tall.
[3396.04] Koel: And then they have the screen that's on like an angle.
[3397.8] Koel: So it's not very portable, I guess.
[3401.88] Koel: I mean, it's it's portable if you're doing it in your car or you're driving around and whatever.
[3406.68] Koel: But to check one of those kind of chargers in a suitcase, it's just
[3412.2] Jack: no, it's not designed for that.
[3413.64] Jack: It's designed to be like in your garage or on your kitchen counter.
[3418.52] Jack: That's what it's designed for.
[3420.6] Jack: Mine lives on top of the microwave.
[3423.0] Koel: One of the things that I was confused by people using USB-C to charge lipos is like
[3429.8] Koel: what what kind of like what kind of amps can you pull from USB-C?
[3435.8] Curry: You can get 60 60 watts through this one and this one.
[3440.84] Curry: I think this takes up to like 100 watts, but I've only got like a 60 watt
[3444.36] Curry: plug that was from some old old laptop.
[3448.68] Curry: And what's that do?
[3450.28] Curry: It does like it does things like if you're charging like 4S at one and a half 1.5 volts or
[3457.72] Curry: sorry, 1.5 amps or 1.8 amps, it does the full whack.
[3462.44] Curry: I can't remember what it goes up to.
[3463.72] Curry: There's there's a calculation you can do.
[3465.56] Curry: But as I said, this is this is fine for charging like one battery at a time and stuff.
[3469.8] Curry: But yeah, I've got I've got a sort of multi plug charge as well when I'm doing lots.
[3476.04] Koel: Yeah, I have a single I have another toolkit RC.
[3480.6] Koel: I mean, for 4S batteries, at least it's it's literally the size of
[3484.68] Koel: I mean, it's probably basically the same size as your SkyRC one.
[3488.52] Koel: And it won't it has to be.
[3492.44] Koel: Well, actually, it has like the figure eight power cord on it at the back like the
[3498.12] Koel: Yeah, so that's the only annoying thing.
[3500.28] Tony: But yeah, is it the PD 60 6 amp lipo balance 1299?
[3507.48] Koel: Is that just the SkyRC one?
[3509.8] Tony: No, the ISTD PD 60.
[3515.4] Tony: From the chat.
[3518.68] Tony: Is it really Richard Warwick from the chat?
[3522.68] Koel: It's very basic.
[3524.44] Tony: Yeah, RC battery charger type C up to 4S.
[3531.32] Tony: That's not bad for the price, is it?
[3533.4] Tony: That's what you want to buy and say, oh, they first thing good.
[3538.68] Curry: Do you remember Rooks?
[3539.72] Curry: Oh, me only gooey goes with his amazing.
[3543.0] Curry: Instead of buying like expensive four thing charges, he got some of the most
[3547.96] Curry: Do you remember the original B six charges?
[3550.36] Curry: Yeah, like, yeah, he's got mine.
[3552.44] Curry: Yeah, he's got like 20 of them.
[3555.32] Curry: He just puts them in his fireplace, and he runs them all.
[3558.84] Curry: And he just charges that way.
[3560.04] Curry: And he's like, because they're cheap.
[3562.12] Curry: Yeah, that's his like home charger is ridiculous.
[3565.72] Curry: But it works for him.
[3567.88] Tony: This is a great Christmas present, isn't it?
[3570.2] Tony: This PD 60.
[3571.4] Tony: Looking at this smart charger.
[3573.56] Curry: It's the PD 60.
[3574.76] Curry: Did I review that?
[3575.48] Curry: Is that the one that went balance or won't put into storage charge?
[3578.84] Curry: Was that my screen?
[3580.68] Tony: It says life balance 6m RC battery type C input.
[3586.28] Tony: Lion life life.
[3588.84] Jack: Yeah, there's no it just charges.
[3592.36] Jack: Is there no buttons?
[3594.52] Jack: Yeah, it's just
[3596.2] Tony: how does it balance charge then?
[3599.64] Jack: They were trickle charges, doesn't it?
[3601.88] Jack: Oh,
[3603.8] Tony: there's a balance.
[3604.52] Tony: Or it just has a balance.
[3606.36] Tony: Oh,
[3607.48] Jack: storage charge.
[3608.44] Jack: He said it doesn't storage.
[3610.28] Jack: Oh, yeah, that's silly.
[3612.6] Jack: Listen to what he actually said.
[3614.84] Curry: I reviewed one of these PD 60.
[3616.76] Tony: I'm sorry, Mr. Dyslexic himself.
[3620.68] Curry: You're most welcome.
[3622.44] Curry: Sorry, but I still have it.
[3624.52] Curry: Yeah.
[3625.8] Tony: Did you say you done a review on this?
[3628.6] Curry: Yeah, apparently.
[3630.12] Curry: But remember that the PD 60 is DT and you are UAV PDC USB charger.
[3638.44] Tony: Find it on your on your own.
[3642.12] Tony: I found it in our chat.
[3644.76] Tony: So I can watch it, please.
[3646.12] Jack: Yeah, I'll put it only for us.
[3649.0] Jack: No good for us success, boys.
[3651.08] Tony: Well, I'm not success.
[3653.32] Koel: No, I am for my for my sub 250 drones.
[3660.04] Koel: I'd like to fly.
[3662.2] Curry: I'm a mix of stuff.
[3663.96] Tony: Yeah.
[3670.6] Tony: What can you put in the LDO chat?
[3673.08] Tony: Oh, did I not?
[3673.88] Tony: Yeah.
[3674.84] Koel: It's in private chat here on StreamYard.
[3678.76] Frank: Okay.
[3680.68] Koel: Yeah, you did.
[3681.16] Koel: You did four years ago.
[3682.68] Koel: You did that review.
[3683.48] Koel: Wow.
[3684.2] Koel: That's an old one.
[3685.96] Koel: Yeah.
[3688.44] Jack: That would be you as well because you could power it via your laptop.
[3693.0] Jack: USB-C because you'd have that.
[3697.32] Jack: Yeah.
[3698.76] Jack: So, you know, you would be able to deliver enough to it.
[3704.12] Jack: Right.
[3704.44] Jack: Unfortunately, that is all we've got time for.
[3707.4] Jack: You've been listening to Let's Drone Out.
[3709.88] Jack: It's been sponsored and supported by our lovely patrons who are whizzing fast.
[3715.72] Jack: Oh, it's a mouse mat.
[3717.64] Koel: Yeah, they turned my photo into a mouse mat.
[3722.12] Koel: It's not really London.
[3724.04] Koel: It's not London, though, is it?
[3726.12] Koel: It is London.
[3727.32] Koel: It's a London.
[3728.6] Tony: It's not the real one.
[3730.36] Curry: Not the real one.
[3731.8] Curry: Yeah.
[3732.68] Koel: Chinese rip-off London.
[3735.8] Koel: AliExpress version.
[3736.92] Jack: We all lift over here, you know.
[3741.16] Jack: We'll just colonize that one as well.
[3744.76] Jack: Anyway, thank you to all our lovely patrons.
[3747.4] Jack: We love you guys.
[3748.2] Jack: You guys rule and stop Frank from murdering us.
[3751.96] Jack: Frank, if you listen to this, we're sorry.
[3755.88] Jack: You've been enjoyed by everyone's favorite curry kitten.
[3759.48] Jack: Goodbye.
[3761.56] Jack: My darling wife, Tony.
[3763.16] Jack: Bonjour.
[3765.8] Jack: And the slick back wet look, Carl.
[3769.56] Jack: See you.
[3771.4] Jack: And I have been bright to my fly.
[3773.8] Jack: You've been listening to Let's Drone Out.
[3775.16] Jack: Thank you.
[3775.8] Jack: Good night.
[3776.6] Jack: Telemetry loss.