=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 487 ===
Title: LDO 487 - 2024 Finale
Recorded: 2024-12-26
Hosts: Koel "Koala" Anderson, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 745
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDdjLRa5O4o); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1996093203-letsdroneout-ldo-487-2024-finale.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello! And you're listening to Let's Drone Out, a special thank you to our lovely patrons that helped donate so that we could pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things we say. Massive thank you to...
[14.0] Jack: Carlos Campos!
[16.0] Frank: Art Faulkner!
[18.0] Frank: Sam Dahmer. On with the show.
[20.0] Koel: Now on the TV cover.
[22.0] Koel: Let's Drone Out now.
[52.54] Jack: Hello and welcome. You're listening to Let's Drone Out.
[56.54] Jack: Today is the first day, and today is Nicole's birthday.
[62.54] Jack: Woo!
[64.54] Jack: Heck yeah.
[66.54] Jack: Thanks, guys. Thank you.
[68.54] Jack: Have you been up to much?
[70.54] Jack: Uh...
[72.54] Koel: I ate some dim sum.
[74.54] Koel: And...
[76.54] Koel: Good choice.
[78.54] Koel: That's basically it. Except the...
[80.54] Koel: What was it?
[82.54] Koel: The shrimp dumplings, we ordered a few orders of them, but the second order of them came an hour after the first order and we were already done everything.
[92.54] Koel: So we were like, well, we don't need these. Why didn't they come earlier? But it's all good.
[98.54] Jack: Yep.
[100.54] Jack: And we're joined by an Andrew Sashrank.
[104.54] Koel: Hi.
[106.54] Jack: And I am bright to the fly. Hello.
[108.54] Jack: Hello.
[110.54] Frank: How are you doing this, everyone?
[112.54] Koel: Yeah.
[114.54] Koel: All good. Merry Christmas.
[116.54] Koel: Woo-hoo.
[118.54] Koel: Andrew Sashrank is still in the spirit, it looks like.
[120.54] Koel: Yep.
[122.54] Koel: I've got a Spitfire Christmas jumper on.
[124.54] Frank: Nice.
[126.54] Frank: And a Spitfire towing a sleigh.
[128.54] Jack: Only because he's very unimpressed with my Father Ted reference.
[134.54] Frank: Yep. I built a 109th kit on my birthday. A little airfix kit.
[142.54] Frank: On my birthday, what are we talking about?
[144.54] Frank: It's cold.
[146.54] Koel: Wow.
[148.54] Koel: I'm already half asleep.
[150.54] Koel: Trying to overshadow my... You're trying to outshine me on my day, man.
[154.54] Koel: I'm sorry.
[156.54] Jack: Poor colds have no presence because Canada Post doesn't exist anymore.
[162.54] Jack: Yeah.
[164.54] Koel: I think they maybe are starting to potentially roll it back now.
[170.54] Koel: I don't know.
[172.54] Koel: Canada Post is just like, yeah, well, we're going to strike at the most craziest time of the year.
[182.54] Koel: I guess they're trying to make a point.
[184.54] Frank: We'll just hold on to these for a little bit and see how you get on.
[188.54] Frank: Our gifts.
[190.54] Jack: And I will make you appreciate us.
[194.54] Jack: Yep.
[196.54] Jack: We've got a Merry Christmas and everything from Sonic Tonic and Tailspin.
[202.54] Jack: And Shady's here. Hello, buddy. And Alexander Federoff.
[208.54] Koel: Hey, what's going on, Alexander?
[210.54] Koel: I don't know.
[212.54] Koel: Age plus plus, yes.
[214.54] Koel: Indeed.
[219.54] Jack: It's a little bit of a sea there for you, I think. It looks like a sea.
[224.54] Koel: Yeah, I got some experience. I got one experience point today, so that's cool.
[230.54] Koel: Up to the XP.
[233.54] Frank: Completed one a little bit.
[236.54] Jack: Yep.
[238.54] Jack: Hey, Caroline's here.
[240.54] Jack: Or as I like to call it, Rocket Lady.
[245.54] Jack: Any time I see any rocket related shenanigans on Insta, I forward a video.
[256.54] Jack: Hello, Clive.
[259.54] Jack: Tony's still ill, I think.
[262.54] Koel: Yeah, I heard his voice on an Instagram story yesterday and I said, Tony, what are you doing talking?
[270.54] Koel: You sound like you need to be like in an isolation room.
[277.54] Frank: We're recording the next load of voiceovers for some action movie adverts. That's the options.
[283.54] Frank: Yeah, he's like the new bad guy.
[285.54] Jack: We're doing it for free.
[287.54] Jack: He sounds like a bag of gravel that's dying.
[293.54] Frank: Smokes a thousand Marlboro a day for the past 50 years.
[297.54] Frank: Yeah.
[299.54] Frank: That's rough.
[301.54] Koel: Get well soon, Tony.
[303.54] Koel: Don't pass it on to Jack. I know you guys are married.
[307.54] Koel: I don't see her anymore.
[311.54] Jack: She's out of my league now.
[314.54] Jack: She's free. She's like follicking in the forest, I think.
[320.54] Jack: I could phone Tony and see, but I feel he's a bit cruel.
[327.54] Koel: But until I fly, phone tone, phone tone.
[331.54] Frank: He's probably asleep by this point.
[333.54] Frank: I know.
[334.54] Frank: Everyone in the chat, let us know if you got any good FPV stuff for Christmas.
[338.54] Koel: Yeah.
[340.54] Koel: Did Santa leave any fun stuff under your tree?
[345.54] Frank: If anyone took the opportunity, while everyone else is having Christmas lunch or having a lion,
[352.54] Frank: quite often there's some sense of ease that is very quiet.
[356.54] Frank: I have seen before people take the opportunity to go and fly,
[360.54] Frank: otherwise busy areas on Christmas Day.
[363.54] Frank: So if anyone's done that,
[368.54] Frank: famously, that was how they filmed 28 Days Later, right?
[373.54] Frank: On Westminster Bridge in the middle of London.
[377.54] Koel: No way.
[379.54] Koel: But when no one's there and it's just...
[382.54] Jack: I was trying to hold people in the clubs and was like, don't let them out.
[388.54] Koel: No way.
[391.54] Koel: I remember when that movie came out, that was a freaky movie,
[395.54] Koel: but a very good movie.
[397.54] Koel: Because that's got to be at least what's going on 15, 20 years old now, isn't it?
[406.54] Jack: Back when I was doing my art stuff,
[409.54] Jack: we went to see an art show called Disobedient Objects,
[415.54] Jack: and they had a whole...
[417.54] Jack: You could put your phone and build a drone,
[421.54] Jack: and you could film protests or some shit.
[424.54] Jack: I don't know.
[425.54] Jack: But I went to that art show,
[428.54] Jack: and it was the last publicly funded VA show.
[438.54] Jack: And as a sort of like, you know,
[442.54] Jack: screw you to like the privately funded tax write off,
[447.54] Jack: or tell you what to show,
[449.54] Jack: they went out with a bang with that.
[452.54] Jack: And the only way I can describe to you is that going to that show,
[458.54] Jack: you know the little monkey at the beginning that's been shown
[461.54] Jack: all the poll tax riots and everything wrong with the world.
[465.54] Jack: I went to that show and I felt like that monkey.
[469.54] Jack: That's the only way I can describe it.
[471.54] Jack: If anyone ever wanted a more visceral sort of...
[478.54] Jack: I saw heinous things in there that has changed me forever.
[485.54] Jack: Are you going to elaborate?
[487.54] Frank: No, that's it.
[490.54] Frank: Not in a public arena, is that not fair?
[493.54] Frank: No.
[494.54] Frank: I see Caroline Tyler got an air supply
[497.54] Frank: for her laser engraver in Qatar.
[500.54] Frank: She'll be using it for airplane stuff.
[502.54] Frank: That's exciting.
[503.54] Frank: Cool.
[504.54] Frank: I don't know if that's the...
[507.54] Frank: I think Caroline Tyler has already set up a little extract.
[510.54] Frank: So this must be the air that blows sort of through the nozzle
[515.54] Frank: of where the actual laser beam goes onto the castle.
[518.54] Frank: So it blows the smoke out the way of your laser beam
[521.54] Frank: and keeps your laser lens nice and clean.
[524.54] Frank: It keeps your cup nice and clear.
[526.54] Jack: Yeah, it blows the carbon debris out, doesn't it?
[531.54] Frank: Oh, I wouldn't... laser carbon, personally.
[534.54] Frank: Oh, you mean just like the... from like cutting cardboard and stuff.
[538.54] Frank: You end up with that sort of...
[540.54] Frank: Char.
[541.54] Frank: Yeah, a bit with that.
[544.54] Jack: Yeah, it's carbon, isn't it?
[546.54] Frank: Yeah.
[547.54] Jack: It's been burned, I think.
[548.54] Jack: I don't...
[550.54] Koel: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[552.54] Koel: I know.
[553.54] Koel: Lasers.
[555.54] Jack: Well, calm down, calm down.
[560.54] Jack: I did try and buy a VTX and it got cancelled, so...
[565.54] Jack: Huh.
[566.54] Jack: And I was looking at buying a nice cat cam
[570.54] Jack: and re-buying that VTX.
[574.54] Jack: And...
[577.54] Jack: because no one's got anything in stock,
[579.54] Jack: it's now looking like, for the same price,
[586.54] Jack: for maybe just a little bit more,
[588.54] Jack: I could order the freestyle HD0.
[594.54] Jack: Looks like camera and VTX all in one.
[598.54] Koel: Oh, so it might be...
[599.54] Koel: A cat cam and a new VTX, yeah.
[601.54] Jack: Yeah.
[603.54] Jack: So it might be...
[604.54] Jack: Reaching that point after all these years.
[607.54] Jack: I feel like my arm has finally been twisted
[610.54] Jack: that I can no longer do analog.
[616.54] Frank: Hmm.
[618.54] Frank: There we go.
[619.54] Koel: That's the landmark.
[621.54] Koel: Hey, thanks, fail safe.
[622.54] Frank: How's it going, buddy?
[623.54] Frank: 2025 is the year of digital for Yannick.
[626.54] Jack: I know.
[627.54] Jack: That bombshell has landed.
[629.54] Koel: I still have, like, two Rush Solo tanks
[632.54] Koel: that are in quads.
[633.54] Koel: I've got plenty of cameras and antennas
[638.54] Koel: and apparently goggles now.
[640.54] Koel: So, yeah, I'm on analog, man.
[644.54] Koel: I fly digital with my little DJI Mini drones and stuff,
[647.54] Koel: but would you even call that digital?
[651.54] Koel: I guess it technically is digital,
[655.54] Koel: but it's just a camera drone.
[656.54] Koel: But, yeah, I don't know, man.
[661.54] Koel: I'm sticking with analog.
[663.54] Koel: I like my analog.
[665.54] Koel: I swear I appreciate it more and more
[668.54] Koel: every time I go back and look at my DVR,
[670.54] Koel: and I'm like, this looks great.
[673.54] Koel: I'm like, I can see just fine.
[675.54] Koel: Like, I don't know if you guys saw some of the new videos
[678.54] Koel: I put out recently,
[679.54] Koel: but I put a few little snippets of DVR in there.
[683.54] Koel: I don't know if you guys care to see or not.
[685.54] Koel: I could show a little thing in the jank here.
[689.54] Jack: You have to talk the audio listeners through it.
[692.54] Koel: I'll try my best.
[695.54] Koel: So, if I do this, can you still see that?
[699.54] UNKNOWN: Yep.
[700.54] Koel: Yeah.
[702.54] Koel: And we get your audio as well,
[704.54] Koel: it should be worth it.
[705.54] Koel: So, essentially, what was going on here
[708.54] Koel: was a buddy of mine and I,
[710.54] Koel: we found a little side road for the farm area
[714.54] Koel: that's next to all these big hills, I guess,
[717.54] Koel: kind of hills that had landslides and stuff like that.
[721.54] Koel: The real mountains are actually on the other side
[724.54] Koel: of this hill, hilly mountain-y type thing.
[729.54] Koel: But, essentially, as I rise up here,
[734.54] Koel: you'll see like, this is what I really wanted to fly.
[736.54] Koel: I wanted to fly the stuff back there,
[738.54] Koel: but there was that huge hill in front of me,
[740.54] Koel: so I can't just, you know, send it out there.
[743.54] Koel: But, I mean, that would have been a really sick dive.
[746.54] Koel: That one right there would have been a nice,
[748.54] Koel: probably 20, 30 second dive.
[751.54] Koel: But, let me see if I can find,
[754.54] Koel: there's some DVR coming out.
[755.54] Jack: It does mean hiking up there, doesn't it?
[758.54] Jack: Well.
[759.54] Jack: That looks steep.
[760.54] Koel: Yeah, there's no hiking up this.
[762.54] Koel: No, no.
[763.54] Koel: I'm actually just on that little road on the other,
[766.54] Koel: this is actually a river, basically,
[768.54] Koel: but it's a dried up river because it's not the wet season.
[771.54] Jack: Yeah, it's called the wash, I think.
[774.54] Jack: I think that's what we are going to call it.
[776.54] UNKNOWN: Yeah, it makes sense, yeah.
[777.54] Jack: Walk to the wash.
[779.54] Koel: I think DVR is right here.
[780.54] Koel: Yeah, so, I mean, dude, look at that.
[784.54] Koel: That looks nice.
[786.54] Koel: What more do you need out of image quality, in my mind?
[790.54] Jack: I don't know, the old power lines, some scraggle.
[794.54] Jack: I don't know how.
[795.54] Koel: Yeah, but, I'm not flying anymore.
[798.54] Jack: What is the name of progress?
[800.54] Frank: Yeah, that's true.
[801.54] Frank: I guess.
[802.54] Frank: I've seen it stuff.
[803.54] Frank: I guess that's all you really need.
[805.54] Frank: I mean, where it's taken off is like trying to spot
[810.54] Frank: the next gate in racing, right?
[813.54] Frank: Or if you're flying with other people, I mean, we know how.
[816.54] Frank: Or penetration going through buildings and stuff, yeah.
[820.54] Jack: Yeah, that's down to the wavelength.
[823.54] Koel: I guess so, yeah.
[825.54] Koel: I swear these digital guys with the O3s and stuff, man,
[828.54] Koel: they can just, they can put walls between them and...
[832.54] Jack: Yeah, but they're just like raw powering it, aren't they?
[837.54] UNKNOWN: Could be, yeah.
[838.54] Jack: Like the ND antenna is like glowing red hot.
[841.54] Jack: Yeah.
[842.54] Frank: 1.21 gigawatts.
[844.54] Jack: I know, yeah.
[846.54] Jack: We'll find till off-con comes after you.
[849.54] Frank: Yeah, you know what, man?
[851.54] Frank: It's all right.
[852.54] Frank: They think you're in Aberdeen, even though you're in Brighton.
[855.54] Frank: It's so powerful.
[858.54] Frank: Yeah.
[859.54] Koel: Far away.
[860.54] Koel: I figured I'd sprinkle some analog DVR in there
[863.54] Koel: just so you could see.
[864.54] Koel: But, yeah, I like my analog, man.
[867.54] Koel: I don't know about you guys.
[868.54] Koel: But I trust it.
[873.54] Koel: I trust it until it doesn't work, which hasn't really,
[877.54] Koel: you know, hasn't really failed me too many times.
[880.54] Koel: It's mostly been my own fault for flying behind things
[883.54] Koel: I shouldn't be.
[884.54] Koel: And, yeah.
[889.02] Koel: Yeah, fail safe.
[890.02] Koel: Meanwhile, the analog guy is running like 8-watt VTXs.
[894.02] Koel: Yeah, that would be crazy.
[897.02] Koel: I'm just using the Rush Solo tanks.
[899.02] Koel: Those are perfectly good.
[902.02] Koel: So it counts misbehaving themselves.
[905.02] Koel: Yeah, can you hear Dorothy yelling at them?
[908.02] Koel: Yeah.
[910.02] Koel: The O2's error correction and retransmit makes it keep
[913.02] Koel: the connection while extending the latency.
[915.02] Koel: O2?
[916.02] Koel: I'm guessing O3 or O4?
[921.84] Koel: OO3's.
[923.84] Koel: Error correction retransmits makes it keep the connection
[926.84] Koel: while extending the latency.
[927.84] Koel: Oh, OK.
[928.84] Koel: So it gets a little jumpier, but it holds on.
[931.84] Koel: OK, it's interesting.
[934.84] Koel: Yeah, it does seem that the digital ones these days
[937.84] Koel: are like ridiculously good.
[940.84] Koel: And with the O4 coming out, I bet you.
[943.84] Koel: Yeah.
[945.84] Koel: Yeah, I don't know, man.
[947.84] Koel: One day I'll be in digital world, I'm sure,
[949.84] Koel: just like everybody else.
[951.84] Koel: But it's just weird how much people should get on analog
[955.84] Koel: these days, though.
[957.84] Koel: I almost get like people like turn their nose up at me
[960.84] Koel: when they find out that I fly analog.
[962.84] Koel: They're like, get with the times, man.
[965.84] Koel: I'm just like, hello, dude.
[968.84] Koel: My drone's alive.
[969.84] Koel: I can see.
[972.84] Koel: I can see.
[975.84] Jack: Yeah, I'm just not looking forward to having the VTX module,
[982.84] Jack: the RX module on the front.
[985.84] Jack: And that means that my goggles no longer fit in their cases
[989.84] Jack: and stuff.
[990.84] Jack: Yeah, and you're on the way out a little bit.
[992.84] Jack: Yeah.
[993.84] Frank: Yeah.
[994.84] Frank: Are you going to dual-goggle for a while?
[996.84] Frank: Or what are you going to do, Jack?
[997.84] Frank: What are you thinking?
[998.84] Jack: I don't know.
[999.84] Jack: Don't know.
[1000.84] Jack: I've got that far yet.
[1002.84] Koel: So I'm not going to highly express.
[1005.84] Koel: Apparently, you can get HD zero goggles for $157 Canadian.
[1012.84] Koel: Why not?
[1014.84] Jack: Oh, maybe that cannot be true.
[1016.84] Koel: HD zero.
[1018.84] Koel: Yeah.
[1019.84] Koel: What is this?
[1020.84] Koel: Okay.
[1021.84] Koel: This is weird.
[1022.84] Koel: I'm going to present because that's called a scam.
[1027.84] Koel: Is that a scam?
[1029.84] Koel: Originally $315 Canadian.
[1032.84] Koel: Individual glasses do not contain an antenna.
[1036.84] Koel: Okay.
[1037.84] Koel: Wait.
[1038.84] Koel: Nevermind.
[1039.84] Koel: I lied.
[1040.84] Koel: That's just the something piece.
[1042.84] Koel: Okay.
[1043.84] Koel: Anyways, anything I said is bullshit.
[1052.84] Jack: Which one do we have?
[1056.84] Jack: Is it that one?
[1057.84] Jack: Is that the correct one for Carl?
[1061.84] Jack: We'll go with that.
[1062.84] Koel: Anything that you say can and will be used against your reputation.
[1074.38] Jack: Yeah.
[1075.38] Jack: Yeah.
[1076.38] Jack: I don't know.
[1077.38] Jack: Maybe don't listen to Carl.
[1078.38] Jack: Carl's an idiot.
[1079.38] Jack: Maybe we need another Bannon.
[1081.38] Koel: Yeah.
[1082.38] Koel: Sounds about right.
[1083.38] Jack: Yeah.
[1084.38] Jack: This is Caroline's one.
[1086.38] Jack: Seriously.
[1087.38] Frank: Just buying a battery instead of making your own.
[1091.38] Frank: How's that going to you, Jack?
[1095.38] Jack: Yes.
[1096.38] Koel: Jack's been making many.
[1099.38] Jack: I agree with that.
[1103.38] Frank: Last I visited Jack's there was even though I had given him the fish paper to fill the
[1110.38] Frank: insulate this horrific C4 lithium ion pack.
[1118.38] Frank: They only put the fish paper on half of, you know, on one side.
[1124.38] Frank: Still there was half exposed.
[1126.38] Frank: Just nickel strip just exposed to the air.
[1130.38] Jack: It's nickel.
[1131.38] Jack: It's all solder braid.
[1134.38] Jack: Solder braid.
[1135.38] Jack: Yeah.
[1136.38] Jack: So it's copper covered in lead and tin.
[1141.66] Jack: Wow.
[1142.66] Jack: For when copper's not a good enough conductor.
[1145.66] Frank: It's just like one that sneezes away from shutting it out and setting the entire flat
[1150.66] Jack: alight.
[1151.66] Jack: In my defense, I built two batteries and I use half of the fish paper to insulate my
[1161.66] Jack: friend's one and half for my own.
[1165.66] Jack: So it stopped.
[1168.66] Jack: I used it because I put the battery on top of the microwave.
[1173.66] Jack: The trouble is with the microwave is the top of the microwave is metal.
[1177.66] Jack: Very conductive.
[1179.66] Frank: Yeah, but also lots of other things that you have that you're also looking for some place
[1183.66] Frank: to put down are also metal.
[1186.66] Frank: And like, you know, you've got your microwave a meal.
[1189.66] Frank: You've got your fork that you've missed it around with.
[1192.66] Frank: You put your fork down accidentally.
[1194.66] Frank: You've shorted out this pack and you've set this pack alight.
[1198.66] Frank: Just insulate lithium batteries, Jack.
[1201.66] Frank: Don't leave them exposed.
[1203.66] Jack: It's outside now.
[1205.66] Jack: It's enjoying the British weather inside of Tupperware.
[1209.66] Frank: Ah, the nice sea breeze.
[1212.66] Frank: That's not conductive at all.
[1214.66] Frank: Yes.
[1216.66] Koel: Yeah.
[1217.66] Koel: See, I'm it's really weird.
[1219.66] Koel: Like the like I have basically like two lipo bags and one is like my ones that I like to
[1228.66] Koel: use that are like my good ones.
[1230.66] Koel: And then my other lipo bag is kind of my like maybe my maybe my backup batteries or I don't
[1237.66] Koel: know what's going on with these batteries.
[1239.66] Koel: One and the one day I was basically just going through all my batteries.
[1243.66] Koel: Take a look.
[1244.66] Koel: See what they're at.
[1245.66] Koel: See what the voltage is and whatnot.
[1246.66] Koel: Like my one battery was like puffing and I was like, oh, this is the first time I've
[1250.66] Koel: seen this happen.
[1251.66] Koel: And then, yeah, Jack kind of like walked me through how to like take it apart.
[1257.66] Koel: And I recycled it.
[1258.66] Koel: But yeah, I think that anytime I go anywhere for an extended period of time, I'm probably
[1264.66] Koel: just going to leave any of those questionable batteries.
[1267.66] Koel: I'm not taking with me just like somewhere around a lot of concrete.
[1273.66] Koel: Mainly surrounded by concrete or if something were to happen, it's only going to be within
[1277.66] Koel: the confines of concrete.
[1279.66] Jack: Yeah, that sounds reasonable.
[1283.66] Jack: A concrete can burn if you.
[1288.66] Jack: Yeah, it can have a little torch mark on it.
[1290.66] Jack: That's fine.
[1291.66] Frank: Is this the voice of experience, Jack?
[1294.66] Jack: Yes.
[1295.66] Jack: You'll be surprised what is flammable when you operate incorrectly enough.
[1304.66] Frank: That definitely sounds like the voice of experience.
[1307.66] Frank: I see Alexander Fedoroff has recommended the Bat safe.
[1310.66] Jack: Yes.
[1311.66] Frank: Very popular.
[1312.66] Jack: So good.
[1313.66] Jack: Frank has to.
[1314.66] Frank: Numerous ones.
[1315.66] Jack: Yeah.
[1316.66] Jack: All from me.
[1318.66] Koel: Yeah.
[1319.66] Jack: Oh, they're venting everything, right?
[1320.66] Koel: Yeah.
[1321.66] Koel: Yeah.
[1322.66] Koel: And filtered, I guess they have some kind of like filtering material in those vents.
[1324.66] Koel: That's smart.
[1326.66] Frank: So far, I have not tested it in in in real life, touch wood.
[1333.66] Frank: But yeah, supposedly if a life goes up, instead of showering the room with corrosive, horrible
[1342.66] Frank: lithium dust, it'll capture it all in the box, which is preferable.
[1349.66] Koel: So I'm guessing it's got to be some kind of carbon filtering, I guess.
[1356.66] Frank: I guess so.
[1357.66] Frank: I haven't really looked into it other than I've seen other people test it.
[1362.66] Frank: I assume that means it works.
[1364.66] Frank: Yeah.
[1365.66] Frank: It's definitely seems better than the alternatives that I have, which is life bags or our cases
[1371.66] Frank: and taking the seal at the MO case to let it vent so it doesn't just build up pressure.
[1378.66] Frank: But then it means it vents, horrible nasty lithium dust everywhere, which is not advisable.
[1386.66] Koel: Yeah.
[1387.66] Koel: According to failsafe, the only lipos you have to be aware of is GNB.
[1390.66] Koel: But I feel like you have to be aware of any lipo.
[1395.66] Koel: Anything that has lipo on it, you might want to heed caution to those.
[1401.66] Koel: Yeah.
[1403.66] Jack: This is my favorite, the Batsafe XXXL.
[1410.66] Frank: How tall is that?
[1411.66] Frank: That looks like it's, I mean, to me, it looks a bit like a sanitary bin.
[1417.66] Frank: That's the only problem.
[1421.83] Jack: It's tall with the lid shut, 680 millimeters.
[1429.83] Jack: And depth is 230 millimeters.
[1434.83] Jack: And why 325 millimeters?
[1437.83] Frank: OK.
[1438.83] Jack: So I think it's like the one I've got, but just taller.
[1443.83] Frank: Yeah.
[1445.83] Koel: Yeah.
[1446.83] Koel: Alexander made a good point.
[1447.83] Koel: He said, actually, everything with LI at the beginning of it.
[1451.83] Koel: Yeah.
[1452.83] Koel: Not just lipo.
[1453.83] Jack: Yeah.
[1455.83] Jack: Yeah.
[1456.83] Jack: The trouble is I had, the reason why I got those two Batsafe boxes is two different people
[1462.83] Jack: knew what I was like and insisted that I had them.
[1467.83] Jack: And the trouble is when I read the rating, it wasn't enough for anything I get up to.
[1474.83] Jack: Oh.
[1475.83] Jack: So then I had to basically part with them.
[1480.83] Jack: So Frank got them.
[1482.83] Jack: And then I had to buy a really big one.
[1485.83] Koel: Well, it's funny that some people in the chat talking about GNBs.
[1491.83] Koel: That's basically what I've always used except for my lithium ion packs.
[1500.83] Koel: The one pack that I was saying that was swollen, it was a GNB pack.
[1503.83] Koel: But also another weird thing, I have a GNB goggle pack.
[1507.83] Koel: And it has the indicator of what the percentage is left for 20, 40, 60, 80, 100% charged.
[1516.83] Koel: Well, every now and again, if I'm not flying, I'll still plug my goggles in,
[1522.83] Koel: make sure everything's working, just make sure everything's in working order still.
[1527.83] Koel: And my goggles were beeping at me the other day.
[1530.83] Koel: And I'm like, it says there's at least 60% on this goggle battery.
[1535.83] Koel: And then I check it with an actual lipo checker.
[1539.83] Koel: And it said it was at like 3.5, 3.4-ish.
[1542.83] Koel: So I was like, oh, I guess I can't trust this indicator now.
[1546.83] Koel: Which isn't that kind of strange?
[1548.83] Koel: Wouldn't you think the indicator would be tied to the actual voltage,
[1553.83] Koel: a.k.a. giving you an accurate reading?
[1557.83] Koel: I guess maybe not.
[1559.83] Koel: It's weird.
[1561.83] Frank: I mean, it's all...
[1563.83] Frank: I feel like the percentages on battery checkers are all slightly made up anyway, right?
[1570.83] Frank: I don't think they actually mean anything.
[1572.83] Jack: It's like VU meters in music cards.
[1575.83] Jack: And when you look up VU, it stands to virtually useless.
[1580.83] Koel: Yeah.
[1584.83] Koel: Yeah.
[1585.83] Koel: Yeah.
[1586.83] Koel: So it's like it's best to go off of at least off of either a charger or a checker
[1592.83] Koel: opposed to the little flashing.
[1594.83] Koel: You press the button on the goggle battery.
[1596.83] Koel: Like, let me see if I can just grab it.
[1599.83] Frank: 10 energy rules are getting hate in the chat with Caroline and Mr. Fedoroff
[1606.83] Frank: saying they are puffy from the factory.
[1609.83] Frank: So this says it's 80%.
[1611.83] Jack: I like them like that.
[1613.83] Jack: They're like pillows of joy.
[1616.83] Jack: Spicy pillows.
[1618.83] Jack: Yes.
[1619.83] Koel: So, K, in your mind, on a 2S pack, I guess, what would you consider 80%?
[1627.83] Koel: Because it's saying 80%.
[1629.83] Jack: I don't know.
[1633.26] Jack: Like 4.0, 4.1.
[1638.26] Frank: 4?
[1639.26] Frank: I mean, personal.
[1641.26] Frank: Yeah.
[1644.09] Koel: Because it's saying, here's the weird thing.
[1648.37] Koel: So it said it said 80 on the side there, right?
[1651.37] Koel: But on here, I guess it's going to be reversed, but it says 66%.
[1655.37] Koel: And it says 3.9.
[1656.37] Koel: Caroline was right.
[1658.37] Koel: But, like, the battery itself says 80.
[1661.37] Koel: The battery checker says 66.
[1665.37] Koel: So that's kind of weird, right?
[1668.37] Koel: Yeah.
[1669.37] Koel: Quality meter of trace.
[1672.37] Frank: It's very non-linear, right?
[1674.37] Frank: You've got, yeah.
[1676.37] Frank: Like, most of the pack is in the high voltages.
[1681.37] Frank: There's a graph for this.
[1685.37] Frank: Yeah.
[1686.37] Frank: It stays at high voltage for most of the time, and then it drops off.
[1689.37] Frank: So you can either do your percentage as milliamp power,
[1696.37] Frank: or you can do your percentage as voltage.
[1699.37] Frank: And then...
[1702.37] Jack: Neither of them line up.
[1704.37] Frank: Yeah.
[1705.37] Frank: And it'll also not quite line up between different packs,
[1708.37] Frank: because different packs are going to have a different curve,
[1710.37] Frank: and they're going to age differently.
[1712.37] Frank: So here's another weird thing, though.
[1713.37] Koel: So here's my other one, because basically I bought a two-pack.
[1716.37] Koel: 80%, right?
[1718.37] Koel: Same indication as the last one.
[1721.37] Koel: Mm-hmm.
[1722.37] Koel: Plug it in.
[1724.37] Koel: And I don't know if you can read that, but it's backwards, isn't it?
[1728.37] Koel: 96.
[1729.37] Koel: Yeah, 96.
[1730.37] Koel: And it says 4.151 per cell.
[1734.37] Koel: So...
[1735.37] Koel: Yep.
[1736.37] Frank: That's a bit...
[1738.37] Koel: This is not a way to measure, I guess.
[1741.37] Koel: You can't really believe that.
[1743.37] Jack: No, I told you, if you want to know the truth...
[1746.37] Jack: multimeter.
[1747.37] Jack: Yeah.
[1748.37] Jack: Everything else is just...
[1750.37] Jack: So do I get the multimeter now and do a compare and contrast between all three?
[1753.37] Koel: It's like...
[1754.37] Koel: Yeah.
[1755.37] Jack: Who is correct?
[1756.37] Jack: This one, this one, or this one?
[1757.37] Jack: The multimeter, the calibrated goddamn multimeter, that is.
[1760.37] Jack: You might as well piss on stuff to find out how much voltage stuff is.
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[1793.37] Koel: Now I'm just...
[1794.37] Koel: I'm just like curious now.
[1796.37] Koel: It ain't...
[1798.37] Koel: Okay. All right.
[1799.37] Frank: I'm waiting for Cole getting the red string and the pinball down.
[1803.37] Frank: Yes.
[1804.37] Koel: Here we go.
[1805.37] Koel: The moment of truth.
[1808.37] Koel: All right.
[1809.37] Koel: Let me put it on the correct thing here.
[1812.37] Koel: Wait a minute.
[1813.37] Koel: All right.
[1814.37] Koel: The red goes in the black and the black goes in the red, right?
[1819.26] Koel: It doesn't matter.
[1821.26] Koel: I know.
[1822.26] Jack: I'm just kidding.
[1823.26] Jack: I'm a negative symbol.
[1824.26] Frank: Just make sure you stick it on the one with the A.
[1827.26] Frank: That's the first one, right?
[1829.26] Koel: All right.
[1832.26] Koel: So it says 8.3 on the multimeter.
[1836.26] Koel: And it says 8.3 on the lipo checker.
[1842.26] Koel: Yeah.
[1843.26] Koel: So this thing is...
[1848.26] Jack: It's some sort of voltage divider for the LEDs.
[1853.26] Koel: Yeah.
[1854.26] Koel: That's the annoying thing.
[1855.26] Koel: I apologize because I was like, oh no.
[1857.26] Koel: My goggle...
[1858.26] Koel: Because my goggle started beeping at me and the thing said it was full.
[1861.26] Koel: And I'm like, what's going on here?
[1862.26] Koel: And then it wasn't full.
[1864.26] Koel: So now I know.
[1867.26] Koel: And you heard it here first, folks.
[1869.26] Koel: Let's draw it out.
[1870.26] Frank: So which of these batteries with this built-in lipo checker that's completely untrustworthy?
[1877.26] Koel: Well, I guess failsafe was...
[1881.26] Koel: What was it?
[1882.26] Koel: What was it?
[1884.26] Koel: He kind of...
[1885.26] Koel: What's that word again?
[1886.26] Koel: Where you're like...
[1889.26] Koel: I don't know.
[1891.26] Koel: There's a term for it.
[1892.26] Koel: But yeah, it's the GNV 3000 milliamp hour goggle pattern.
[1897.26] Koel: It's 2S.
[1898.26] Koel: Which to be honest, though, I have liked them.
[1901.26] Koel: I have a Fat Shark goggle battery that I don't trust anymore.
[1906.26] Koel: I'm going to have to replace the actual barrel connector because if I put the barrel connector
[1911.26] Koel: on, it works.
[1912.26] Koel: And if I put it to where it's supposed to go, the goggles shut off.
[1915.26] Koel: But if I wiggle it a little bit, then it's good again.
[1918.26] Koel: So stupid barrel connectors.
[1922.26] Koel: Do you guys put your multimeters back in the box when you're done with it?
[1925.26] Koel: No.
[1926.26] Koel: Life's too short.
[1927.26] Koel: Mine wasn't fancy enough to come with the box.
[1931.26] Jack: Yeah.
[1932.26] Jack: Yeah.
[1933.26] Jack: It's my...
[1934.26] Jack: Mine was second hand.
[1937.26] Jack: And then I paid twice what I paid for it to get it kind of for a year.
[1942.26] Jack: So I might as well just bought a new one.
[1945.26] Koel: Yeah.
[1946.26] Koel: This is just that whatever cheaper one I got when I first got into the hobby.
[1949.26] Koel: And it's done the job for me.
[1953.26] Koel: I couldn't do it.
[1956.26] Jack: And I got it tested.
[1957.26] Jack: I said, how out was it?
[1959.26] Jack: And he said, it was a nut.
[1962.26] Jack: Fanny hair out.
[1964.26] Jack: Oh, really?
[1965.26] Jack: No.
[1966.26] Jack: That's the testimony, sir.
[1967.26] Jack: Stolen flute meters because it was bought in a cash generator.
[1972.26] Jack: And had a tech department written on the back of it.
[1977.26] Jack: Nice.
[1978.26] Jack: That's good.
[1979.26] Jack: Clearly stolen.
[1982.26] Jack: You didn't steal it.
[1984.26] Jack: Yeah.
[1985.26] Jack: Oh my God.
[1986.26] Jack: Desktop multimeter.
[1988.26] Jack: Alexander is like...
[1991.26] Jack: He is the EV blog of the drove world to me.
[1996.26] Jack: No.
[1997.26] Jack: I'm just going to start with him, Dave.
[2001.79] Koel: So you know what?
[2002.79] Koel: There's something cool about having a bunch of hardware on your desk though.
[2006.79] Koel: Like hardware tools.
[2008.79] Koel: It's just like...
[2009.79] Koel: It's almost like in a music studio.
[2011.79] Koel: You have all the hardware.
[2012.79] Koel: You got the knobs and the dials and stuff.
[2014.79] Koel: It's like, if you have that, you know you're cool.
[2018.79] Jack: Well, you're only cool if you actually know how to use it.
[2023.79] Jack: That's true.
[2024.79] Jack: Yeah.
[2025.79] Koel: That's true.
[2026.79] Koel: Yeah.
[2027.79] Koel: It's like, yeah, I have a whole desk full of tools, but I don't know what they do.
[2030.79] Koel: But look at me.
[2031.79] Koel: You don't want to be cool with the game.
[2033.79] Frank: I have no idea.
[2034.79] Frank: Yeah.
[2035.79] Frank: Yeah.
[2038.07] Koel: Oh.
[2039.07] Koel: Numskull said, I haven't used my multimeter since the battery connector ripped off changing
[2045.07] Koel: battery.
[2046.07] Koel: Yeah.
[2047.07] Frank: That's funny.
[2049.07] Frank: That's not fun.
[2051.07] Frank: Well, I mean, most of the time, a battery jacket and a smoke stopper will get you most
[2058.07] Frank: of the way, right?
[2060.07] Koel: That's...
[2061.07] Frank: Apparently...
[2062.07] Frank: Basically what you're checking for.
[2063.07] Koel: I've never gotten on the trend of smoke stoppers because I'm like, this is a smoke stopper.
[2072.07] Koel: This will tell me if there's content music.
[2075.07] Koel: Yeah, exactly.
[2077.07] Koel: I guess it definitely became a...
[2081.07] Koel: I don't want to say...
[2082.07] Koel: I don't want to say gimmick.
[2083.07] Koel: That's not the right word.
[2084.07] Koel: But it does seem like a lot of influencers in this hobby are like, get your...
[2091.07] Koel: My branded smoke stopper.
[2093.07] Koel: Yeah.
[2094.07] Koel: I mean, it is...
[2095.07] Koel: They're another gadget, right?
[2097.07] Koel: It is a lot smaller than a multimeter too, so I could see.
[2102.07] Koel: I'd rather buy one thing that definitely tells me what I need to know, opposed to like...
[2109.07] Frank: Because also, you can do more stuff with the multimeter, right?
[2112.07] Frank: You can identify where the actual issue is.
[2115.07] Frank: Yeah.
[2116.07] Frank: Yeah.
[2117.07] Frank: Because you can also see where a brake and a line is.
[2119.07] Frank: They are much better.
[2120.07] Frank: But if you're very excitable and not liable to test things before plugging them in, then
[2127.07] Frank: a smoke stopper is handy.
[2128.07] Koel: Yeah, yeah.
[2130.07] Koel: It's better than nothing, fast for sure.
[2132.07] Koel: And it's apparently, according to a lot of people in the hobby, they swear by them, so...
[2139.07] Koel: But then again, Alexander says they're crap, so it's like...
[2144.07] Frank: Well, that's...
[2146.07] Frank: Horses for courses.
[2148.07] Frank: The other thing would be having a power supply.
[2153.07] Frank: A desk power supply, and they can go and limit the current to a very low limit.
[2159.07] Frank: So you can just...
[2160.07] Frank: Just enough to power everything on is another way.
[2164.07] Frank: But still, just...
[2165.07] Frank: If you've got a multimeter, just use a multimeter.
[2167.07] Frank: Check for continuity.
[2168.07] Frank: Just do it.
[2170.07] Frank: Yep.
[2173.07] Frank: Make sure the electricity is going to go where you want it to go and not somewhere else.
[2177.07] Frank: Yep.
[2178.07] Koel: Huh.
[2179.07] Koel: Yeah, Alexander's saying, yeah, you can't flash some BL Heli ESCs with smoke stoppers.
[2185.07] Koel: I can't entirely believe it.
[2187.07] Koel: They must need a certain voltage or whatever, right?
[2192.07] Frank: Yeah, I mean, I think the idea with a smoke stopper, right, is just to be able to do the
[2198.07] Frank: first power on and make sure nothing's catching fire.
[2201.07] Frank: I don't think the idea is that you do it every time, is it?
[2205.07] Koel: Yeah, current, that's right.
[2206.07] Koel: Yeah, current, yeah.
[2208.07] Koel: You don't want to, you don't want to, you know, throw too much down the barrel before.
[2215.07] Koel: Yeah, that makes sense.
[2218.07] Frank: Yep.
[2220.07] Frank: But it's just, whatever works.
[2222.07] Frank: I'm sure everyone finds their own way.
[2225.07] Frank: Hopefully.
[2228.07] Frank: Eventually, either that way you can leave the hobby because you're too fed up of learning
[2233.07] Frank: the magic smoke out of things.
[2234.07] Frank: Oh, man.
[2235.07] Frank: Those are the eruptions.
[2236.07] Koel: Yeah.
[2237.07] Koel: Have you experienced the magic before?
[2241.07] Frank: I mean, I've experienced the magic coming out of my stuff.
[2246.07] Frank: That was when I had it on Jack's desk at the time, but he's not here to defend himself.
[2253.07] Koel: Yes, let's hear all about it.
[2254.07] Koel: What did Jack do to destroy your electronics?
[2258.07] Frank: He had taken offense to my first build, and so he was rebuilding it for me.
[2267.07] Frank: And in so doing, managed to, I think, wire up all the ESCs backwards to the PDB.
[2274.07] Frank: And rather than testing it first, he just went straight and plugged it in.
[2280.07] Frank: It was a big cloud of smoke.
[2284.07] Frank: It was very dramatic, though.
[2285.07] Frank: Luckily, I was filming at the time.
[2287.07] Koel: Oh, is that the thing?
[2289.07] Koel: I've seen it before then.
[2290.07] Koel: I've seen that before.
[2292.07] Koel: Huh?
[2293.07] Koel: Where would we find this video clip?
[2295.07] Frank: Would it be somewhere?
[2297.07] Frank: I'm sure it would be on my either my YouTube or I think it might even be in the LDO channel
[2305.07] Frank: intro, possibly.
[2307.07] Frank: Oh, yes.
[2309.07] Frank: I think you're right.
[2310.07] Koel: It might be in there.
[2311.07] Koel: Yeah, it's at Jack's desk.
[2312.07] Koel: Jack's desk.
[2314.07] Koel: It's about what?
[2315.07] Koel: Almost 10 years old?
[2317.07] Koel: Oh, yeah.
[2320.07] Koel: He sounds right.
[2324.07] Koel: The only time I've actually seen The Magic Smoke is when I was brand new in the hobby.
[2331.07] Koel: I'd only been flying for maybe six months or something like that.
[2334.07] Koel: And at this point, I hadn't really done a lot in terms of repairs or maintenance or anything like that.
[2342.07] Koel: I was really eager to fly.
[2343.07] Koel: It was getting towards like the end of the season.
[2345.07] Koel: It was kind of getting a bit wet out.
[2347.07] Koel: And I was at this like construction site and I crashed on the roof of this construction
[2352.07] Koel: site that it had like the tin roof.
[2355.07] Koel: So it was like some water had pooled.
[2357.07] Koel: And luckily, the construction workers left a ladder, you know, set up.
[2363.07] Koel: So I had to like climb up this ladder.
[2365.07] Koel: It wasn't like a small ladder.
[2366.07] Koel: It was like it was pretty it was probably at least like 20 20 foot roof.
[2369.07] Koel: So I was like kind of scared.
[2371.07] Koel: But I'm like climbing up there like I'm like, OK, like it's obviously safe to walk across.
[2374.07] Koel: So I get it.
[2375.07] Koel: And like my drone's fine.
[2376.07] Koel: I bring it home.
[2377.07] Koel: But I knew it was kind of wet.
[2378.07] Koel: So I wasn't going to like try to plug in anymore or fly anymore.
[2381.07] Koel: But I went home and like let it dry out.
[2386.07] Koel: And apparently I didn't give it enough time.
[2388.07] Koel: And I was like, is it going to work?
[2389.07] Koel: Is it going to work?
[2390.07] Koel: And then I don't know.
[2393.07] Koel: They were fine.
[2394.07] Koel: Like the lights came on and they were single ESCs.
[2396.07] Koel: They were beeping.
[2397.07] Koel: And then, OK, I tried it again.
[2398.07] Koel: And, oh, now only two ESCs lights are coming on.
[2400.07] Koel: And it's making a bit of a weird noise.
[2402.07] Koel: And I'm like, that's when I should have stopped.
[2405.07] Koel: I should have been like, OK, like maybe it needs a little more time to chill out.
[2408.07] Koel: And I just like kept like in my amateur electronics days.
[2413.07] Koel: I just like kept re-plugging it in.
[2415.07] Koel: And then like one the one time I plugged in just and then I looked at the ESC afterwards.
[2421.07] Koel: And there's like just a big bubble of like on the fat, I guess.
[2425.07] Koel: Is it a fat on an ESC?
[2427.07] Koel: Is that right?
[2428.07] Koel: Yeah.
[2429.07] Koel: Yeah.
[2430.07] Koel: Yeah.
[2431.07] Koel: And then it just had like a little like it almost had like a little dome type bubble
[2435.07] Koel: on top of the fat.
[2436.07] Koel: And yeah, it was it was bad.
[2439.07] Koel: Sounds unpleasant.
[2441.07] Koel: Yeah.
[2442.07] Koel: Luckily I had spare ESCs.
[2443.07] Jack: So that was fine.
[2445.07] Jack: I would I would do it.
[2447.07] Jack: I'd gladly do it again.
[2449.07] Jack: Blowing up.
[2451.07] Jack: Smart PDV.
[2453.07] Jack: I mean, that thing can handle some current.
[2456.07] Jack: I think didn't even go.
[2459.07] Jack: Oh, it was it was spectacular.
[2464.07] Jack: That's the only way it was.
[2467.07] Jack: It was like indoor fireworks.
[2470.07] Jack: I'm kind of I'm not even ashamed of it.
[2474.07] Jack: I'm like almost like in all like hats off to you, Frank.
[2480.07] Jack: How you film that and didn't just run because it just it was so much smoke.
[2488.07] Jack: I mean, part of the battery wire vaporized and flew off and burned itself into my laptop.
[2499.07] Jack: No way.
[2500.07] Jack: Yeah, for real.
[2502.07] Jack: Yeah.
[2503.07] Jack: That's terrible.
[2504.07] UNKNOWN: Like.
[2505.07] Jack: Yeah.
[2507.07] Frank: So I don't know.
[2508.07] Frank: So much.
[2509.07] Frank: But we just managed to scratch the other.
[2511.07] Frank: These sort of slightly better ESCs for the spillage to try and because we had like done
[2517.07] Frank: a time black with my build and then Jack was rebuilding it with some slightly nicer components.
[2522.07] Frank: Right.
[2523.07] Frank: Yeah.
[2524.07] Frank: And less.
[2525.07] Frank: Well, no.
[2526.07] Jack: We we I'd flashed it from like it's fake.
[2531.07] Jack: I mean, it was a normal like actual BLE.
[2536.07] Frank: I think they were on Simon K.
[2538.07] Frank: Yeah.
[2539.07] Frank: That was the difference.
[2540.07] Jack: Yeah.
[2541.07] Jack: So it was they were 12 and e-max.
[2546.07] Jack: Yeah.
[2547.07] Jack: They were some sort of like bastardized firmware where they just wrote Simon K or BLE and they
[2555.07] Jack: just weren't.
[2556.07] Jack: So they didn't connect to the configurator.
[2558.07] Jack: So you had to solder, de-solderer like capacitor and a resistor off it.
[2563.07] Jack: I remember it was a lot of effort.
[2565.07] Jack: Three wires on there and like flash it.
[2569.07] Jack: And hilariously, it was like Frank or one of us lost the footage.
[2579.07] Jack: So we didn't have the signed improvement for the for the racing.
[2585.07] Jack: And so that kind of just went fell by the wayside.
[2590.07] Jack: And the other thing was is like later on Frank went somewhere and the only quad that worked
[2597.07] Jack: was that quad.
[2598.07] Jack: And we were like, do not like break that quad because we can't get any more of those ESEs.
[2604.07] Jack: Like we can.
[2606.07] Jack: But like you can't flash them anymore.
[2609.07] Jack: I've tried to go back and like flash a few spare.
[2613.07] Jack: And that's why the the retro quad that Stevens got of mine has little bees on there because
[2622.07] Jack: I couldn't work out how to redo what I'd done to Frank's ESEs.
[2631.07] Jack: So, yeah.
[2634.07] Jack: And I bought the I asked I asked for a PDB from Flying Tech, which was like basically
[2645.07] Jack: one of the PDBs for the ZMR.
[2647.07] Jack: They were like, yeah, we've got this one.
[2649.07] Jack: The LEDs are broken on it.
[2650.07] Jack: You can have it.
[2651.07] Jack: And I was like, because I wrote them an email, I'll be like, please can I have a ZMR PDB
[2656.07] Jack: because like no one's going to buy them.
[2658.07] Jack: I'm like the only I'm literally building this for a laugh.
[2662.07] Jack: And they fair play.
[2663.07] Jack: They did actually give me one night.
[2666.07] Jack: They I think they knew who I was because they include a picture of a cat.
[2671.07] Jack: No way on the invoice as well.
[2675.07] Jack: So I've had that twice now where there's pictures of cats being sent to me from different places.
[2684.07] Jack: It's quite funny.
[2686.07] Jack: I can't remember who the other one was.
[2688.07] Jack: I'm sure they're not in business.
[2691.07] Jack: But, yeah, Frank, don't break that legendary.
[2697.07] Jack: Have you went a lot on your floner?
[2701.07] Frank: I can't.
[2702.07] Frank: I can't remember.
[2703.07] Frank: I don't think that's seen the light of day for quite a while.
[2705.07] Jack: You can't fly anymore because you're trying to work.
[2711.07] Frank: Well, but I transferred everything to my radio master.
[2716.07] Jack: Oh, is it not got the LRS built in?
[2718.07] Jack: Is it got a multi module?
[2720.07] Jack: It's multi module.
[2721.07] Frank: Yeah.
[2722.07] Jack: Oh, my God.
[2723.07] Jack: So you didn't even go to the LRS, baby.
[2726.07] Frank: It's a multi module built in the LRS module in the back.
[2731.07] Jack: Okay.
[2733.07] Jack: I was going to say, yeah, you must have the LRS because I remember the tiny loop of annoyance.
[2740.07] Frank: Oh, my God.
[2741.07] Frank: It's not a tiny loop.
[2743.07] Frank: Yep.
[2744.07] Frank: If anyone knows of a good tiny loop that doesn't just reset its firmware every time you run
[2751.07] Frank: the battery slightly low, then let me know.
[2754.07] Frank: We've only got the one that was recommended to me by all the racing people.
[2758.07] Frank: And it turns out if you fly more than a race worth of battery out of the battery,
[2764.07] Frank: then it goes on the voltage.
[2766.07] Frank: And when it goes on the voltage, it wipes the EPROM.
[2770.07] Frank: Just unhelpful.
[2772.07] Koel: That's so annoying.
[2773.07] Koel: And you're like, okay, great.
[2774.07] Koel: Now I have to go to my computer again just to fly this thing.
[2777.07] Frank: Yeah, exactly.
[2778.07] Jack: Just by one of the LRS boards, B or FBV ones.
[2789.07] Jack: Or we could try and take apart your old one and see what kind of camera it's got.
[2803.07] Jack: And then just buy a board and put it into that because you can buy the cold board or
[2809.07] Jack: nice board.
[2811.07] Jack: They might have one or two LRS ones left.
[2815.07] Koel: Probably.
[2816.07] Jack: Hopefully.
[2817.07] Koel: Yeah, I'm still waiting on props for my tiny loop because of the whole Canada Post
[2822.07] Koel: Strike thing.
[2823.07] Koel: I had stuff that I ordered in the beginning of November, still not here yet.
[2828.07] Koel: And I have everything for this tiny loop except the props are kind of busted on it.
[2837.07] Koel: There's a crack with the barrel or the shaft or whatever of it.
[2843.07] Koel: And yeah, every time I try to blip the throttle, like one or two of them just go zhing and
[2849.07] Koel: just fly off.
[2850.07] Koel: I'm so annoyed.
[2851.07] Koel: But yeah.
[2854.07] Frank: It was the Mobula 6, 65, the LRS.
[2858.07] Frank: Happy model.
[2859.07] Frank: That was what I had.
[2863.07] Frank: I still have somewhere, but I haven't bothered to reflage.
[2867.07] Koel: Don't get along with that.
[2870.07] Koel: It does seem like the tiny whoops can be very finicky and very annoying, I'm guessing.
[2877.07] Koel: I mean, a lot of things in this hobby can be super frickin' annoying.
[2881.07] Koel: But I feel like the smaller it is, the more you just want to punch yourself in the face.
[2887.07] Frank: I guess it's more delicate.
[2890.07] Frank: There's more to go wrong.
[2893.07] Jack: Everything's a little more densely.
[2896.07] Jack: And making everything super light.
[2899.07] Jack: And yeah, there's just less upgrade paths.
[2904.07] Jack: As soon as there's a big change, it's like your one.
[2913.61] Jack: It's like, oh my god, what do you mean you want to use crossfire?
[2918.61] Jack: No.
[2923.02] Jack: And then you're having to light solder on a receiver that you may or may not be able to get
[2928.02] Jack: out of anymore.
[2930.02] Koel: You mean crossfire?
[2931.02] Koel: There's a lot of crossfires out there, man.
[2933.02] Jack: Yeah, hopefully for now.
[2936.02] Jack: But I'm screwed by ghost.
[2939.02] Koel: Oh, yeah, ghost.
[2942.02] Koel: I mean, technically on TBS's website right now, the Crossfire Nano receiver pro is out of stock.
[2951.02] Koel: But that's the pro.
[2954.02] Koel: I'm not a pro.
[2955.02] Koel: I don't need that.
[2956.02] Koel: I'm an amateur.
[2957.02] Koel: I'm an amateur.
[2958.02] Jack: I need the actual one milliwatt of...
[2961.02] Koel: Oh, yeah, look.
[2962.02] Koel: Crossfire Nano RX SE that comes with the antenna, I think, in stock.
[2967.02] Koel: And the regular one without the antenna in stock.
[2971.02] Koel: Sick.
[2973.02] Koel: I don't think...
[2975.02] Koel: I don't know.
[2976.02] Koel: It's weird.
[2977.02] Koel: I think that crossfires will never die.
[2982.02] Koel: I don't think so, man.
[2984.02] Koel: I mean, I hope not.
[2986.02] Koel: I mean, either way, I have a ton of receivers and stuff.
[2993.02] Koel: So it should be good.
[2996.65] Koel: Caroline's saying the pro has the immortal antenna.
[2999.65] Koel: I think the SE version has the antenna with it too.
[3002.65] Koel: Yeah, special edition.
[3004.65] Jack: Yeah.
[3006.65] Jack: The pro has the higher milliwatt.
[3010.65] Jack: I believe.
[3014.65] Koel: I think you're right, yeah.
[3016.65] Koel: It's weird, man.
[3017.65] Koel: In this day and age of digital and ELRS,
[3022.65] Koel: it's almost like you're an outcast if you fly analog and crossfire.
[3025.65] Koel: It's weird.
[3027.65] Koel: Which that is the standard, is it not?
[3030.65] Koel: Analog and crossfire?
[3033.65] Koel: I guess maybe in the past.
[3036.65] Koel: I guess the whole ELRS thing is just that there's so many more options
[3040.65] Koel: and it's cheaper, I guess.
[3043.65] Koel: And I guess it's faster or whatever and has...
[3047.65] Koel: I don't know.
[3049.65] Koel: Oh, the Pro LR has one watt output on telemetry.
[3055.89] Frank: Wow.
[3060.5] Frank: In the last little bit, before I forget,
[3063.5] Frank: I mean, it's Boxing Day today.
[3065.5] Frank: It's the Christmas day.
[3067.5] Frank: Yeah.
[3068.5] Frank: Whose local Facebook groups are being full up with lost
[3072.5] Frank: and found new Christmas drones?
[3076.5] Frank: Because there's only been one in my local group,
[3079.5] Frank: so that's pretty good going.
[3081.5] Frank: I haven't seen any.
[3083.5] Frank: Either that means that drones are just less given as Christmas presents
[3089.5] Frank: or people are being...
[3092.5] Frank: Drone technology has improved to the point where flyaways aren't so common
[3097.5] Frank: and people have a better experience the first time
[3100.5] Frank: or with all the drone regulation stuff,
[3104.5] Frank: people just aren't posting on Facebook about lost drone.
[3108.5] Frank: Yeah.
[3109.5] Frank: One of those three, maybe the combination of the three.
[3113.5] Koel: Yeah, I don't know.
[3115.5] Koel: I mean, I wish someone would lose a drone near me that I could just find.
[3122.5] Koel: But there was...
[3123.5] Koel: No, you know what?
[3124.5] Jack: I have too many already.
[3125.5] Jack: I don't need any more.
[3127.5] Jack: There was that poor plane that went down
[3130.5] Jack: and it was...
[3132.5] Jack: The only thing I can say is it was nice to hear that it wasn't caused by a drone.
[3137.5] Jack: It was caused by mistaking that plane for being a drone.
[3143.5] Jack: What?
[3144.5] Frank: Caroline Tyler said lots of lost drones in New Jersey.
[3151.1] Frank: I mean, there's also the drone show in Orlando, Florida that went wrong
[3156.1] Frank: and unfortunately hurt a small child.
[3160.1] Koel: Well, yeah.
[3161.1] Koel: I think I saw that video where all of a sudden one was just like, zing!
[3164.1] Koel: Like right past the crowd and it was just like, whoa, buddy.
[3168.1] Frank: Yeah.
[3169.1] Frank: Yeah.
[3170.1] Frank: It's going to be interesting to see the investigation into that
[3173.1] Frank: because I'm assuming there will have to be an investigation into that
[3176.1] Frank: because that is not normal.
[3178.1] Jack: Yeah.
[3179.1] Jack: Oh, yeah.
[3180.1] Jack: Sorry.
[3181.1] Koel: F.A.
[3182.1] Koel: Yeah.
[3183.1] Koel: Yeah.
[3184.1] Koel: I mean, when I saw that video, it actually...
[3186.1] Koel: I was genuinely concerned.
[3188.1] Koel: Yeah, that is a scary video.
[3190.1] Koel: When they're going down like this, whoop-de-doo, that's fine.
[3193.1] Koel: But when they're going mock speed, a few feet from a crowd, that's not cool.
[3198.1] Koel: Yeah.
[3199.1] Frank: When they're going...
[3200.1] Frank: Because it wasn't even like they were doing a tornado effect or something.
[3203.1] Frank: It was actively full speed, almost like in acro mode,
[3210.1] Frank: going just full health away.
[3213.1] Frank: Full throttle, just, yeah.
[3215.1] Frank: Yeah.
[3216.1] Jack: That is not what you want.
[3218.1] Jack: No.
[3219.1] Jack: You kind of want to know what were the conditions for it to do that.
[3224.1] Frank: Yeah.
[3225.1] Frank: Was that someone actively doing something nasty or what was going on there?
[3231.1] Frank: That would be interesting.
[3233.1] Koel: Did someone's computer actually turn off mid...
[3236.1] Koel: Yeah.
[3237.1] Koel: Yeah.
[3238.1] Frank: Even then, you'd imagine they'd just either stop or do nothing or fall out of the sky.
[3244.1] Koel: Yeah.
[3245.1] Koel: Yeah.
[3246.1] Koel: And it's weird too that they were all kind of doing something a little different.
[3250.1] Koel: Some were dropping down, some were doing a little...
[3254.1] Koel: Some were going freaking fast.
[3257.1] Koel: It was weird.
[3258.1] Koel: Super weird.
[3259.1] Frank: Yeah.
[3260.1] Frank: Well, Stephen was talking last week or the week before.
[3262.1] Frank: When we were talking about the drone show, we went to sort of the hardware limitation
[3267.1] Frank: on how many drones are on a particular network.
[3270.1] Frank: Maybe they have a few different ones to do a big show like that.
[3276.1] Frank: One of them was fine.
[3277.1] Frank: One of them had one error and one of them had another error or something.
[3281.1] Frank: Or maybe there was interference between them.
[3284.1] Frank: Who knows?
[3285.1] Frank: Who knows?
[3286.1] Frank: I'm sure we'll find out.
[3287.1] Frank: We'll find out in due course, yeah, at some point.
[3290.1] Koel: Tune into next week's episode of Let's Grown Out, where you'll find out what happened.
[3295.1] Jack: All right.
[3296.1] Jack: For our final questions, is there anything you guys are going to do differently next
[3299.94] Jack: year or are you looking forward to?
[3304.94] Frank: I'm looking forward to the LDO 10 years.
[3306.94] Frank: I'm looking forward to the...
[3308.94] Frank: To Cole coming over and doing a bit of a road trip, maybe.
[3313.94] Koel: Yeah, man.
[3314.94] Koel: That'd be awesome.
[3315.94] Koel: I'm really excited for the 10 years, definitely.
[3318.94] Koel: Yeah.
[3319.94] Koel: We'll definitely have to do a little drone flying mission, man.
[3323.94] Koel: That'd be sweet.
[3325.94] Frank: Yeah.
[3326.94] Frank: And if anyone listening wants to come to an LDO 10th year live recording, I would be very keen for that.
[3335.94] Frank: Yeah.
[3336.94] Frank: That would be cool.
[3337.94] Jack: Well, this is going to be the year that Frank's like, I don't have to do LDO anymore.
[3342.94] Jack: Time to start up.
[3344.94] Jack: Mini air show again.
[3346.94] Frank: Oh, you don't know how close you are.
[3351.94] Frank: Yeah.
[3354.94] Frank: But also, I mean, I was suggesting that we should get some tour shirts made for this 10 years of LDO.
[3362.94] Frank: If anyone has any favorite moments or shows of LDO that you think should go on the tour dates listed on the back of a LDO 10 year anniversary tour shirts, then let us know.
[3376.94] Frank: Yeah.
[3378.94] Frank: It's called Facebook or email.
[3380.94] Frank: Let's turn out at Gmail dot com.
[3382.94] Frank: This link is in the chat.
[3384.94] Frank: You can find us on Facebook.
[3385.94] Frank: I'm sure.
[3386.94] Koel: Yeah, we've got four hundred eighty six episodes for you to go through and see which ones that you like.
[3392.94] Koel: Yeah, absolutely.
[3394.94] Koel: Yeah.
[3395.94] Koel: That's wild.
[3397.94] Koel: Four hundred eighty six episodes soon to be at the five hundred mark.
[3402.94] Koel: Still in the world record, man.
[3404.94] Koel: We still need that Guinness World Record.
[3406.94] Jack: I want to get start a petition and be like episode five hundred.
[3410.94] Jack: And like subpoena shop to be on LDO.
[3415.94] Koel: We need to subpoena.
[3417.94] Jack: Contractively legally have to be on the show.
[3421.94] Jack: Yeah.
[3424.94] Koel: Yeah, that would be pretty cool, man.
[3426.94] Koel: I feel like leading up to the 10 year or even like you said, like the five hundred one, man, like we should try to actually.
[3435.94] Koel: Yeah, coordinate like some some of the serious, serious.
[3439.94] Koel: Oh, geez.
[3441.94] Jack: Yeah.
[3442.94] Jack: More episodes than less women.
[3444.94] Jack: I doubt it.
[3449.94] Jack: Those broads have been whinging on about stuff for ages.
[3456.94] Jack: Shortly after Tony was born.
[3463.29] Jack: I know that was very sexist of me, but it was a joke.
[3467.29] Koel: Jack, you're in the naughty.
[3469.29] Koel: You're not you're not you're on.
[3470.29] Koel: You're getting cold for next year.
[3471.29] Koel: You're getting me, man.
[3472.29] Koel: You're going to be on the naughty list.
[3474.29] Koel: Yeah.
[3475.29] Frank: I just want to quickly say for anyone in the UK, you should possibly be aware of this.
[3480.29] Frank: No time that went out on the 27th of December.
[3483.29] Frank: Let's put a a ban around certain areas on drones.
[3489.29] Frank: And some of these are certain places you would know not to fly around like Milton Hall and Fairford and Lake and Heath,
[3496.29] Frank: which have been in the news recently for there being drone sightings around.
[3500.29] Frank: But there's also been other places on this list like Oak Hanger, which is near my regular flying spot,
[3508.29] Frank: which means that my BMFA organized with the M.O.D.
[3513.29] Frank: flying site is now out of bounds for flying until the end of March.
[3518.29] Frank: So wow, it might be worth just checking your your drone assist app or your this no time or just just, you know,
[3528.29] Frank: maybe maybe just double check that you're not going to have the M.O.D. police hunting you down unexpectedly.
[3539.29] Jack: Yeah. Yeah.
[3540.29] Jack: You don't want that.
[3541.29] Jack: Yeah, you do not want that. We have first hand, first of all, expert experience of Mr. Man.
[3549.29] Jack: And they are terrifying people.
[3554.29] Koel: Yeah, that's crazy.
[3556.29] Koel: Yeah.
[3557.29] Koel: Look up the no times.
[3558.29] Koel: Don't fly where you're not supposed to.
[3560.29] Jack: Very scary.
[3561.29] Jack: Very powerful.
[3562.29] Jack: Yeah.
[3564.29] Frank: It is on the I think it's called drone assist.
[3569.29] Frank: I'm trying to find the name of this this app.
[3572.29] Koel: And if you are going to fly places, you're not supposed to.
[3574.29] Koel: Don't fly places.
[3575.29] Koel: You're not supposed to.
[3577.29] Frank: If you're going to at least be aware of it like right.
[3580.29] Frank: But at least at least know what you're getting into trouble.
[3585.29] Frank: Trouble is what you're getting into.
[3588.29] Jack: F.A. A flyer I.D. whilst he's not in the country.
[3592.29] Jack: Oh, he's his flyer.
[3594.29] Koel: His flyer I.D. is eight zero zero eight seven three five five.
[3600.29] Koel: Just got to turn the calculator upside down.
[3603.29] Koel: And that's his.
[3606.29] Koel: Hopefully someone got that reference.
[3608.29] Koel: Please tell me I'm not a child.
[3610.29] Koel: I'm not the only child here.
[3612.29] Jack: No worries.
[3613.29] Jack: That's all we got time for.
[3614.29] Jack: I do apologize about my crude joke editor.
[3618.29] Jack: Feel free to cut that out because I'm a bigger.
[3620.29] Jack: No, you get old.
[3621.29] Jack: It's fine.
[3622.29] Jack: You've been joined by the birthday boy Cole.
[3625.29] Jack: See you.
[3626.29] Jack: Andrew Staph Frank.
[3627.29] Jack: Bye.
[3628.29] Jack: And we are wishing all our lovely patrons a Merry Christmas and thank you for your support.
[3635.29] Jack: And we'll roll on 10 years.
[3638.29] Jack: Yeah.
[3639.29] Jack: Happy new year.
[3640.29] Frank: 2021 2025 everyone.
[3641.29] Frank: Yeah.
[3642.29] Jack: See you guys next year.
[3644.29] Jack: Yeah.
[3645.29] Jack: Thank you.
[3646.29] Jack: Good night.
[3647.29] Jack: Elementary loss.