=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 502 ===
Title: LDO 502 - Curry Kitten Special
Recorded: 2025-04-10
Hosts: Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Koel "Koala" Anderson, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 957
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qLzWV0Wvrg); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/2077152908-letsdroneout-ldo-502-curry-kitten-special.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello, and you're listening to what drone out and special thank you to our lovely patrons that help donate so that we can pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things we say. Massive thank you to Carlos campos, art folk now, Sam Dharma on with the show.
[20.4] Jack: Hello, and welcome you're listening to let's curry kitten out tonight is the 500 and second episode. And it is the curry kitten special tonight. We will find out everything special about curry kitten questions.
[71.59] Jack: Why is everyone's favorite?
[75.71] Jack: We're gonna be we finally made it to this milestone. And we're gonna find out everything there is to know about a delicious curry kitten. Tonight we are joined by everyone's favorite curry kitten. Hello, the personal assistant of an organizer of the curry kitten club, the chairman, Mr. Frank Andrew curry kitten himself.
[101.59] Jack: The curry kitten supervisor, Stephen, thank you very much. We all are allegiance to curry kitten.
[114.91] Jack: I am the main promoter of curry kitten. I'm frightened to life fly and the graphical art and design extraordinaire branding special.
[126.71] Koel: I know I don't call it my part of the creek. I was like, I was in the creek. You're the international wing of the curry kitten empire.
[137.23] Jack: Yes, you've got to do the Commonwealth of curry. Yes. Have you know,
[144.11] Koel: and I don't know if you noticed, but there's an also another curry kitten kitten. Well, it's more of a cat. But it's
[151.23] Stephen: not part of the global franchise. Is it named after it must be named curry in order to qualify? Or pop pop it on. It's not curry is it pop it on.
[162.83] Koel: Actually, their name is chicken. So
[165.99] Koel: she's going back to make a second appearance. She's like, Oh, here she comes. I'm the topic of conversation. I'm getting attention to an identity crisis. I'm a cat called chicken. Yeah.
[182.15] Curry: Sorry, when you might I made I first came into being 53 years ago on a darker side of the bars for the 53 years.
[199.51] Jack: That was me. How long have you been doing the curry kitten channel?
[208.71] Curry: Oh, no, actually, YouTube told me my channel was 18 years old. Oh, wow. The candles.
[217.11] Curry: It wasn't involved in FPV 18 years ago. That's only been the last 13 years or so. Yeah, you first started with video game endings.
[226.55] Curry: Correct. Is that right? I had a website before YouTube was into being which contain the endings of video games, highly, highly compressed into stupidly small file sizes. So people still on dial up could download them.
[240.95] Stephen: 144 P. So were you doing one frame per minute before Let's Plays were a thing for people who couldn't get to the end of video games?
[248.79] Curry: We were just doing the endings because it was that you'd spend like 50 hours on a game and you get to the ending and then you'd never see it again because you're like, well, I can't pay for that all again just to watch that and especially things with multiple endings, which people couldn't get.
[262.79] Curry: So we decided to create a website which would show you the endings and you can download them and then people found them and then YouTube came out a year later and they started sticking them on YouTube. So I thought that I should put those endings on myself.
[275.79] Stephen: And obviously, as you were dealing with video game endings, the logical thing was to call it Curry Kettin.
[283.79] Jack: It was a name for your pets, isn't it?
[286.79] Curry: Yeah, well, kind of. It was the old thing and painters has got a very similar story when you're trying to create yourself like a log on to something like, I don't know, MSN or Iced Q or whatever it was like 20 years ago.
[301.79] Curry: You'd say, OK, I'll use Wayne because that's my name. Oh, Wayne's taken. You can have Wayne 16,010.
[308.79] Curry: So we look for the things around me of which I tried Madras and Korma, which were my cats at the time and somehow ended up on like Curry Kettin and that was not taken. So that became my name of all things.
[323.79] Koel: The Genesis. Yeah, I don't even want to talk about what my first like names were on MSN and stuff like that. That was.
[336.79] Koel: Was it Canadian Rocky 69? No, it was it was pH fat underscore underscore skater with an eight in the middle. Sixty nine.
[346.79] Koel: Sixty nine, there you are.
[349.79] Stephen: Sixty nine, at least.
[350.79] Stephen: And most of your time hanging out with Bonglord420 and I look great.
[355.79] Stephen: Oh, man.
[357.79] Jack: One of my one of my emails is wooden spoon because during my dyslexic class, which we refer to it as wooden spoon class, as in rugby. If you come bottom of the table, you get you in a wooden spoon instead of a trophy.
[370.79] Jack: And it was, yeah, if you were wooden spoon class, you were considered mentally retarded.
[377.79] Jack: And one of the one of the tasks was set up your own email. So embarrassingly enough, every so often, I'd have to give out wooden spoon class and then an explanation that I am incredibly dyslexic.
[394.79] Frank: I remember that from the very first time I met you, Jack, and you handed me a business card with that on very nicely printed business card with wooden spoon class on it.
[406.79] Frank: Yeah, I assumed you carved wooden spoons.
[410.79] Jack: No.
[412.79] Jack: And I just mentally.
[416.79] Jack: Mentally retarded.
[417.79] Stephen: Mentally retarded.
[419.79] Stephen: I used to have King underscore Bellrick and that stayed around for a very long time. That was the old MSN one. I was going for Baldrick because I was watching a lot of Blackadder at the time and someone had unbelievably taken Baldrick. And so I ended up going for that instead.
[435.79] Stephen: Place.
[437.79] Jack: I remember my first email, retarded email to Wayne that outraged him so much so that he immediately came on the episode to berate me.
[449.79] Curry: It was a terrible email. Isn't it ironic that dyslexic is probably a word that most dyslexics can't spell?
[456.79] Jack: Yeah, I cannot spell it at all.
[459.79] Curry: He's the worst.
[460.79] Jack: Yeah, it's the yx combo. It's probably.
[464.79] Jack: It's truly unfair.
[467.79] Stephen: Should they just be a friendly and more approachable version like word pain?
[474.79] Frank: There's a question in the chat for Curry as well from also from Robert Aultlett.
[481.79] Frank: Curry, what's it like to look at everybody's videos and say, yeah, I did that back in the day.
[488.79] Curry: This makes me feel very old.
[491.79] Stephen: And it's a feedback loop, really, isn't it?
[495.79] Stephen: And just kind of, you know, you just accelerate into a vicious circle of grumpiness.
[499.79] Stephen: And every now and then, well, I get this because I'm old and fairly grumpy also.
[503.79] Stephen: And yeah, you just got to kind of pull some kind of mental report every now and then and be like, no, the grumpiness cannot continue quickly.
[512.79] Stephen: Do something done.
[514.79] Curry: I think it can continue. It can get worse than this for sure.
[517.79] Curry: I've laid out my grumpiness.
[521.79] Curry: I'm going on a European grumpiness tour around the country.
[526.79] Curry: This is here, isn't it?
[528.79] Jack: My favorite insult from Curry was if you were if I if you called up the help desk for the I know Linux or whatever, he was like a red hat.
[542.79] Jack: If if you would call up customer services, you were to be too stupid to talk to me.
[549.79] Jack: They wouldn't put you through to my department.
[554.79] Jack: That was one of my favorite insults.
[559.79] Jack: I would not be allowed to talk to me.
[562.79] Curry: I worked in IBM at one point on the EX support center, EX being IBM's Unix equivalent before they got more into Linux.
[574.79] Curry: And in order to talk to me, you at least had to pass a course to say you you had skills enough to follow what I was going to tell you.
[583.79] Curry: We don't speak the plebs. We're supposed to be speaking to the IT department that talked down to the plebs.
[589.79] Curry: That was it. So, yeah, you wouldn't you wouldn't win.
[592.79] Curry: We get to talk because you can't remember any Linux command at all.
[597.79] Curry: My most brilliant endeavor ever was to try and like let's teach Jack easy Linux, but he forgot all the commands instantly.
[605.79] Jack: Yes, super super user admin.
[610.79] Stephen: How do you redirect standard error into standard output?
[615.79] Curry: It's the basic stuff, isn't it?
[618.79] Curry: These are these are weird words to try and spell.
[621.79] Curry: So therefore they're not memorable.
[623.79] Curry: What are the most useful flags for the tar command?
[629.79] Jack: Stop mocking me.
[631.79] Koel: I mean, I literally.
[633.79] Koel: Come on, Jack.
[635.79] Koel: I am the pleb.
[636.79] Koel: I don't know anything that is being spelled right now.
[639.79] Jack: This is what I mean. It's like they love it.
[641.79] Jack: They just feel so superior.
[643.79] Stephen: Yeah, superior at absolutely nothing that anyone gives about.
[649.79] Curry: To be fair, Stephen is the only person that runs Linux on his main desktop machine.
[655.79] Curry: Everybody else is on a more sensible operating system.
[657.79] Jack: Who's who's your favorite then out of LDO?
[662.79] Jack: I hate you all with equal disdain.
[665.79] Stephen: I hope we all get like a fair sized chunk of hate.
[670.79] Stephen: I wouldn't want to feel everyone's getting short changed.
[672.79] Stephen: You know, that's the important thing.
[674.79] Curry: I try not to think about you guys on a daily basis.
[677.79] Curry: Just get alcoholic drinks in me before coming on the show and like,
[681.79] Curry: yep, I can face the stupid people now.
[686.79] Koel: Should we do a course?
[688.79] Koel: We all do.
[690.79] Koel: It's a good thing I'm not here every week.
[692.79] Koel: So I guess I'm not lumped into that.
[694.79] Koel: I can say.
[696.79] Koel: Yeah.
[698.79] Frank: What we've what we've learned about so far is that in the past 15 minutes,
[705.79] Frank: the Discord is far more drone focused.
[709.79] Frank: If you want drone content, go to the LDO Discord.
[713.79] Frank: Don't watch the LDO show.
[715.79] Frank: I think that's the answer.
[717.79] Frank: We've I've had at least two recommendations for venues for potential LDO no later in the year.
[728.79] Frank: So.
[729.79] Frank: Oh, nice.
[730.79] Frank: We'll see if anything comes up.
[732.79] Stephen: I did notice that the LRS users can once again use their goggles three because apparently they were getting completely screwed by for some reason the goggles three which are like a five point eight gigahertz system.
[745.79] Stephen: We're just shooting out two point four gigahertz interference and like fail safe two point four gigahertz.
[751.79] Stephen: So yeah, it was right to hold off that purchase.
[755.79] Stephen: This is the goggles three with the old four specifically.
[758.79] Stephen: Apparently that's like a death combination.
[760.79] Stephen: But they've fixed for it this week.
[763.79] Stephen: So if you're using that with the express of arrest on two point four, probably time to grab that.
[768.79] Frank: The goals to work with the board as well.
[772.79] Frank: Right.
[773.79] Frank: Does that have did that have the same problem?
[775.79] Stephen: I think it seems to be specifically the Google's three with oh four, which I think like moves up to it.
[781.79] Stephen: If you remember, there was like a special some special signaling.
[784.79] Stephen: You get like a different bit rate.
[786.79] Stephen: So presumably different channel bandwidth, different frequency allocation when you use goggles three with oh four.
[792.79] Stephen: And this was particularly problematic.
[795.79] Stephen: I guess it was just spewing out two point four gig during some part of that exchange.
[800.79] Stephen: And it would like fail safe stuff.
[803.79] Stephen: Just stupid.
[804.79] Stephen: I don't know why.
[806.79] Stephen: Once again, they don't really think about FPV users.
[808.79] Stephen: They're just like, oh, yeah, this will be fine with one of our drones.
[811.79] Stephen: And in case one of our drones is around or just like, you know, shoot out as much two point four gig as possible,
[816.79] Stephen: even if you don't even have a remote controller and all one of our drones will just, you know, it might be useful.
[822.79] Frank: So it works on our system.
[824.79] Stephen: Yeah, right. Exactly.
[826.79] Stephen: What's on our table?
[829.79] Koel: Yeah.
[830.79] Koel: Well, speaking of protocols and stuff, I guess TBS just came out with the crossfire nano.
[836.79] Koel: That's like NDAA compliant, I guess.
[840.79] Koel: So made in the USA.
[842.79] Koel: What's NDAA?
[844.79] Stephen: Non-disclosure agreement agreement.
[845.79] Stephen: Is that what Trump has for people?
[847.79] Stephen: The non-disclosure agreement agreement.
[849.79] Stephen: You can't disclose that you're in the non-disclosure agreement.
[852.79] Stephen: Because you might have seen his wiener at some point.
[855.79] Koel: I think it's the National Defense Authorization Act.
[858.79] Koel: Oh, maybe.
[860.79] Koel: Maybe.
[861.79] Koel: That's what Google is telling me.
[863.79] Koel: But what is that?
[864.79] Koel: Yeah, I guess they had to, I guess, well, you know, manufacturing is usually done on the other side of the world.
[874.79] Koel: But America wants to made in America stuff, I guess.
[879.79] Stephen: Well, they imposed tariffs, but then they didn't impose tariffs.
[882.79] Stephen: They, like, basically played chicken with themselves.
[885.79] Stephen: And Trump managed to stop Trump putting tariffs on things, which is somehow a win for Trump.
[890.79] Stephen: So, all right.
[891.79] Frank: Turns out, the guy with a load of friends who make money out of the numbers going up and down, made the numbers go up and down.
[897.79] Frank: It's crazy.
[899.79] Stephen: Yeah.
[900.79] Stephen: Anyway, it's weird effects on FPV products, because if this does go through, that they're going to be the ones that get slammed.
[907.79] Stephen: And there's people talking about, oh, we'll build stuff in America for computers and things like this.
[912.79] Stephen: And we get dispensation for SSDs or for this or for that.
[916.79] Stephen: But you're not really going to see people go so far down the ladder as to get dispensation for, you know, VTXs and flight controllers and things.
[923.79] Stephen: So, they're likely to be affected, unfortunately.
[926.79] Stephen: Wish I'll see.
[927.79] Curry: Speaking roughly of DGIO, something to share with you.
[931.79] Curry: Ooh.
[932.79] Curry: Ooh.
[933.79] Curry: What have you got there?
[934.79] Curry: I'm trying to DJI now.
[936.79] Curry: Are those goggles pretty what we were just talking about?
[939.79] Curry: No, these are the goggles Integra.
[941.79] Curry: Integra, yeah.
[942.79] Curry: They have the little thing on the back, right?
[944.79] Curry: The little bits on the front.
[946.79] Curry: Battery on the back.
[947.79] Jack: Yeah, but doesn't it mean that they don't have dioptics in?
[951.79] Curry: They don't have twiddly dioptics, but you get this pack with it, which has got like plus two to minus eight and you insert them in.
[960.79] Jack: Did you buy that with money?
[962.79] Curry: No.
[963.79] Curry: I don't buy anything for money.
[965.79] Curry: These were a review product, not from DJI, obviously, from your FPV, who wanted me to check them out, along with an 04 based WOOP.
[975.79] Curry: Ooh.
[976.79] Curry: Crazy.
[977.79] Curry: Wow.
[978.79] Curry: And it is very impressive.
[981.79] Curry: Very impressive.
[982.79] Curry: Nice.
[983.79] Curry: Well, WOOPs now go very far and they last about two minutes in battery, but during that time I could fly around trees and I was unable to make the little bar graph, which is like, you know, it's like four bars.
[994.79] Curry: So it's like four bars equals full signal.
[996.79] Curry: It wouldn't go down and the bitrate really dropped below 50 megabits.
[1002.79] Curry: So you got some very crisp trees.
[1004.79] Koel: Yeah, those four systems are, from what I've seen on reviews, it's just, it just has crazy penetration.
[1012.79] Koel: The megabits don't drop and it's just crystal clear.
[1016.79] Stephen: There's a little bias towards the slightly fancier camera from what I saw.
[1020.79] Stephen: There's a light and the Pro does get like a nicer sensor, a nicer lens, but even the light one is probably better than what you've got on WalkSnails Pro camera.
[1029.79] Curry: Yeah, I think that makes sense.
[1031.79] Curry: The Pro one's going to be better because we're talking about a tiddly camera, which is surprisingly good in quite low light situations and was just good all in all.
[1041.79] Curry: And it was quite unfortunate for open IPC because I flew that the day after.
[1046.79] Curry: Oops. Sorry, Frank, how?
[1049.79] Frank: How about fits on your face?
[1051.79] Frank: Because I know that's a very personal thing, but I mean, that's there's been lots of complaints over the years about various different goggles and you've had like the goggles L fairly recently.
[1061.79] Curry: And I would say is they have this sweet spot, which is very small.
[1069.79] Curry: And I don't know if it's because of the dial up to lenses.
[1072.79] Curry: But for example, if I like move the the IPD back and forth and look, so I'm doing one lens at a time and I'm like, where's this?
[1080.79] Curry: It's like, oh, I can see everything there.
[1081.79] Curry: Oh, now that's gone blurry and move that one.
[1084.79] Curry: Oh, it's a bit blurry there and it's not quite right there.
[1087.79] Curry: So I finally get the perfect spot.
[1089.79] Curry: And then if it's slightly up or down on your face, then the blurs come.
[1093.79] Curry: So you have to have it absolutely spot on on the IPD and spot on your face.
[1098.79] Curry: And it's probably worth attaching.
[1100.79] Curry: There's another strap that can go over the top and that will sort of mean it's like on a certain place on your face.
[1107.79] Curry: If you get it perfect, then it's very, very good.
[1110.79] Curry: But if you like just like a degree out, it's like, oh, that's blurry.
[1114.79] Curry: I wonder what my voltage is.
[1115.79] Stephen: It's like, it's like a, you know, just to remind me of the old quantum cyclops where I used to have like a 2200 Mar 3S on the back of my head.
[1128.79] Stephen: And like, you know, the big box goes on the front.
[1132.79] Stephen: Does it and does it feel quite large once you've got the battery pack on and the goggles?
[1137.79] Curry: No, the battery pack does well at balancing out, actually, because I've been very used to having quite a lot
[1143.79] Curry: in the front and nothing on the back, which is more of a problem.
[1147.79] Curry: So like with my open IPC stuff, I've got this and my goggles, which means I've got one of these in each pocket,
[1156.79] Curry: which if you forget to put them in your pocket and you stand up and go down, which I'm quite,
[1163.79] Curry: I'm quite happy with some on the back of my head as long as it balances.
[1166.79] Curry: But it's better than like having all front weighted in the water or going down like that.
[1171.79] Stephen: And how long does it last for? I feel like just leaving them on in between packs and stuff.
[1176.79] Curry: It seemed, it seemed fine. I mean, I flew, I only had like four, 340 something.
[1183.79] Curry: So I'm like two minutes of battery. So my entire flight.
[1186.79] Curry: Oh, this works, yeah.
[1187.79] Curry: Plus in between. So it's not, it's not a huge amount of time, but even like having them on a large amount of time
[1193.79] Curry: and trying things out, I think I only got the battery down to like three out of four bars.
[1198.79] Curry: I think it's 2250 or something. So it's, it's quite reasonable.
[1202.79] Curry: Cool.
[1203.79] Curry: By now we'd like to fly an 04 in something where I can fly for more than like two minutes.
[1210.79] Curry: And like if breeze won't blow it backwards.
[1212.79] Stephen: If only they have an HDMI input, huh? They just don't want to make that decision.
[1217.79] Curry: Nice. But it's kind of like, I might do like, like, I've got all these digital goggles.
[1223.79] Curry: What are the best? It was always, it's always going to be like, it depends.
[1227.79] Curry: What do you want to do with yourself? Do you want versatility?
[1233.79] Curry: Caroline Tyler say who's suggesting sitting on faces? I don't remember that.
[1237.79] Curry: Do you want versatility? I think the, the HD zero goggles are the best.
[1243.79] Curry: Hands down, just because it's like, they're very comfortable to wear.
[1246.79] Curry: They've got a nice UI. They've got an HDMI in which you can record through,
[1252.79] Curry: which means you've got both HD zero and walks now and open IPC, but just not DJI.
[1261.79] Curry: There's DJI or anything. Oh, and analog, of course.
[1265.79] Stephen: I've looked at 04 and I thought, oh, that's kind of cool.
[1268.79] Stephen: I got a couple of 03s, but didn't fly as much as I thought I was going to.
[1272.79] Stephen: I'm not sure whether I should, you know, moving from 03 where I've got goggles to do something
[1279.79] Stephen: that would be compatible with 04 would be pretty big investment.
[1282.79] Stephen: So yeah, I'm not sure. I just hold off and wait to see what the fifth one looks like
[1286.79] Stephen: and see if they finally figure out what the radio common standard is going to be
[1291.79] Stephen: and maybe stop trying to change the over the air protocol like with every new release of the product.
[1298.79] Curry: That'd be nice. Well, this is still why I didn't buy a pair of goggles
[1302.79] Curry: and I had to have someone like forcibly say, could you review them?
[1306.79] Curry: Because it's like, aside from the fact that you have to go to DJI's app and activate them,
[1313.79] Curry: which I still don't get weird, it's like, OK, what are these going to be compatible with now
[1318.79] Curry: and what they could be compatible with in the future?
[1320.79] Curry: Yeah, DJI's point of view is like just buy the new goggles and then it will work on the new thing.
[1326.79] Curry: So they're not I don't feel they're working with the community.
[1330.79] Curry: They're kind of bringing out like amazing products and they always have.
[1334.79] Curry: Even 12 years when we got the first NASA, it was light years ahead of everything else on the market.
[1340.79] Curry: It was just like this little box and you can plug it in and everybody filmed a video
[1345.79] Curry: covering a quad pushing it and say, look, watch it. It comes back. It's amazing.
[1350.79] Curry: Like, you know, the KK1 and KK2 is the best things you had between it.
[1356.79] Curry: So their technology is light years ahead of other people.
[1361.79] Curry: Oh, yeah, it doesn't feel like they're working with the community.
[1364.79] Curry: It's just their way of the highway really, isn't it?
[1366.79] Curry: It's a commercial business.
[1368.79] Stephen: Yeah, it's their way of the highway.
[1370.79] Stephen: That's very much like you either buy into kind of like Apple, but more so like you totally buy into their ecosystem or they don't care.
[1379.79] Curry: Yeah. And like it seems to me that even like the cinema drone owners get used to the idea of like, this is amazing.
[1389.79] Curry: This is the best thing ever. The next one is it sell that by the next one.
[1393.79] Curry: By the new charger operators.
[1395.79] Curry: Yeah. Yeah. Of course the batteries don't work.
[1398.79] Curry: Yeah.
[1399.79] Frank: Yeah.
[1400.79] Frank: Interesting.
[1401.79] Frank: Caroline's bought the Goggles 3 to replace the Goggles 2, but she's keeping both. That's interesting.
[1408.79] Frank: Why is that coming?
[1410.79] Curry: This is for a wide range of different VTXs and things.
[1415.79] Curry: Yeah.
[1416.79] Curry: I did have a look at DJI's chart and they've got like all their goggles along there and all their different systems here.
[1423.79] Curry: And it's like nothing is compatible with everything.
[1426.79] Curry: They're sort of little bits and pieces here and there.
[1430.79] Stephen: Yeah. Some people complaining about latency as well.
[1433.79] Stephen: Apparently the picture quality is awesome, but if you want that four by three, you're going to be doing 4K 60, some craziness.
[1444.79] Stephen: 2.7K 100FPS, you're stuck in 16 by nine mode.
[1448.79] Stephen: And with those three, you can get four by three at 100FPS.
[1452.79] Stephen: So yeah, they don't even consistently move forward.
[1455.79] Stephen: You like get a new generation, which improves some things and makes other stuff worse as well.
[1459.79] Stephen: It's just a bit of a weird way of doing it.
[1462.79] Stephen: I do hope Open IPC solves this.
[1464.79] Stephen: I think that they've got out the gate with a couple of really basic modules,
[1468.79] Stephen: but there's the possibility of getting some really fantastic sensors and fantastic lenses with Open IPC.
[1475.79] Stephen: If that's the direction that people want to take it, right?
[1478.79] Stephen: It's got to be.
[1480.79] Stephen: It's not the cheapest thing ever, but maybe you're going to pay something close to DJI money and get a lovely lens and a lovely sensor on your Open IPC setup.
[1491.79] Stephen: I'm not sure that's necessarily going to be an easy sell for a lot of pilots because they would just go DJI.
[1498.79] Stephen: But it looks like it might be achievable to get into the point where they've got the bandwidth stood at least.
[1506.79] Frank: Google what's FPV was saying they're still flying analog and can't afford digital.
[1512.79] Frank: How's your hump for your analog kit that you were trying to get a hold of, Cole?
[1517.79] Frank: Have you succeeded?
[1520.79] Koel: Wait, which?
[1522.79] Koel: You wanted a run cam.
[1525.79] Koel: Oh, yeah, no progress.
[1528.79] Koel: It's a lost cause, I think.
[1531.79] Koel: Caroline Tyler has one, but it's staying in a build, so I don't have any access to that.
[1536.79] Stephen: Yeah, I mean, just put it into concrete, so don't give it a call for investment.
[1543.79] Koel: Yeah, I'm just going to stick with what I have.
[1546.79] Koel: I don't know.
[1547.79] Koel: That's one of the main reasons, too, why I'm so torn.
[1550.79] Koel: I do want to try digital, and my plan this year was to build an O4-based quad.
[1558.79] Koel: But it's that thing again.
[1559.79] Koel: It's like, OK, you build a quad, you get the goggles, you get the BTX.
[1565.79] Koel: Well, next year or the year after, those goggles aren't going to be compatible.
[1569.79] Koel: And then you're basically just chasing your tail.
[1571.79] Koel: And you have to, like Caroline said, she's got two pairs of DJI goggles now.
[1576.79] Koel: And then in a couple of years' time, the oldest ones probably won't work anymore with the new stuff.
[1582.79] Koel: And then you're just constantly playing catch-up, and it just seems, for me, it seems annoying.
[1587.79] Koel: I do have some DJI products.
[1589.79] Koel: I've got DJI camera stabilizers, I've got some DJI mini drones.
[1594.79] Koel: But I never swap out for the latest and greatest because, I mean, the Mini 3 Pro.
[1601.79] Koel: So the Mini 2 was a great drone.
[1605.79] Koel: The Mini 3 Pro was a really, really great drone.
[1609.79] Koel: Definitely huge improvements, but I didn't get that drone.
[1612.79] Koel: I didn't get the Mini 3 Pro until last year.
[1615.79] Koel: And they're already onto the Mini 4 Pro.
[1621.79] Koel: I mean, the latest and greatest doesn't always mean it's such huge improvements over the previous generation.
[1627.79] Koel: So I'm okay with...
[1630.79] Koel: If it works for me, I just use it.
[1633.79] Stephen: It does look like it's two steps forward, one step back with a lot of this stuff.
[1637.79] Stephen: They'll add some formats and maybe remove a couple of image ratios and frame rates.
[1643.79] Stephen: And so you get a little bit of improvement on the absolute top end, but some of the useful stuff's gone.
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[1677.1] Curry: This is my flight with this thing, the RunCam VRX.
[1686.1] Curry: Although this was recorded in my goggles, which I didn't know it would do.
[1691.1] Curry: And if I'd known it would do this, I wouldn't have taken the memory card out and put it in my GoPro later.
[1696.1] Curry: And I found here, quite honestly, a little bit juddery and smeary.
[1702.1] Curry: I found the experience I was having on the old MVR system to be better than this.
[1709.1] Curry: Although, interestingly, when I look at the stuff that was recorded internally on this, it's smoother.
[1716.1] Curry: And I don't know if there's something that's saying, put your resources into recording it.
[1722.1] Curry: Don't worry about the live showing as much that can be.
[1726.1] Curry: So I wasn't particularly overly impressed with this.
[1729.1] Curry: And I had a couple of moments where it sort of, it's like, oh, the video has paused.
[1734.1] Curry: And you know how like two seconds can extend into about a week, when you've got nothing.
[1739.1] Koel: And you're sort of, oh, yeah, that's, that's just the end.
[1745.1] Koel: I thought it was still going.
[1748.1] Koel: Is it coming back?
[1749.1] Koel: Is it coming back?
[1751.1] Koel: I think I didn't know.
[1752.1] Stephen: It's a really top tier antenna for your previous setup, didn't you?
[1756.1] Stephen: Your custom antenna is made.
[1758.1] Stephen: Are you still using those on the MVR?
[1761.1] Stephen: Not the MVR, the new goggle module?
[1764.1] Curry: No. So when I tested anything, I always do it with what they give me.
[1768.1] Curry: This is like the retail package.
[1770.1] Curry: They're giving these, for some reason, left hand polarized antennas and a couple of linears.
[1775.1] Curry: Although the antennas on the quads are always linear.
[1779.1] Curry: Some people in the open IPC group have looked at the antennas and say, these are useless above 5700.
[1786.1] Curry: And it comes as 5805.
[1789.1] Curry: And it actually comes, the Rancam Wi-Fi 2, which I built.
[1794.1] Curry: I built a new quad, everybody.
[1796.1] Curry: Can you believe it?
[1798.1] Curry: I did.
[1799.1] Curry: Well done.
[1800.1] Curry: It's like this.
[1802.1] Curry: These are the end of the Wi-Fi 2.
[1805.1] Curry: And they're pure linear things.
[1807.1] Curry: And you can't go above 5700 of them.
[1811.1] Curry: And what you have, you have a default power of this.
[1815.1] Curry: Confusingly, they're speaking in open IPC or camera language.
[1819.1] Curry: So the power of the Wi-Fi is 20.
[1823.1] Curry: And what that means, it goes from 20 to 55.
[1826.1] Curry: And 20 basically means you're running at 40 milliwatts, which is not very high.
[1832.1] Curry: That's not even TVM, is it?
[1833.1] Curry: That's some weird scale.
[1836.1] Curry: So that's the only thing I changed.
[1838.1] Curry: I bumped that up.
[1839.1] Curry: But I'm still having problems with distance and going behind things.
[1844.1] Curry: And it all just looked a bit juddery in comparison to everything else.
[1849.1] Curry: So the worst thing was, though, was I recorded internally to these.
[1855.1] Curry: And what happens once you bring it up, you can hold right.
[1859.1] Curry: And it goes into AP mode.
[1861.1] Curry: So it creates an access point.
[1863.1] Curry: So it says, oh, yeah, connect to Redaxa Wi-Fi link or whatever.
[1869.1] Curry: And I just filmed like 12 flights with this.
[1875.1] Curry: And I got home, and I put it into Wi-Fi mode.
[1877.1] Curry: And the Wi-Fi access point wasn't coming up.
[1880.1] Curry: And I was like, oh, OK, maybe it's too bad.
[1883.1] Curry: Because after trying it like 10 times, you're like, all my footage is on there.
[1888.1] Curry: And I went and fly 12 packs again to create my first impressions.
[1892.1] Curry: And, yeah, no one could figure out what was going on.
[1896.1] Curry: I was talking with Mario FPV, trying to figure it out.
[1901.1] Curry: I bought like a USB-C to Ethernet adapter to try and get through it that way.
[1908.1] Curry: And that wouldn't come up.
[1909.1] Curry: And for some reason, during one of the various times of doing it,
[1915.1] Curry: it suddenly popped up on the network.
[1916.1] Curry: It was like, oh, my God, the video is now.
[1919.1] Curry: And since that time, it hasn't come back up.
[1921.1] Curry: So it came out like one out of like 100 times, which is a bit of a worry.
[1927.1] Curry: You also do that to change some of your settings.
[1929.1] Curry: Like if you want to change the frame rate it expects to record in
[1936.1] Curry: or the resolution it records in, all that is done through that setting.
[1941.1] Curry: So that is a worry for me.
[1943.1] Stephen: I was having a crisis yesterday.
[1946.1] Stephen: It'd be interesting to see when it's recording what the load is on it.
[1950.1] Stephen: Like, is it recording to disk, putting extra stress on it?
[1954.1] Stephen: I mean, it's clearly doing something more than it would be if it wasn't recording.
[1958.1] Stephen: I wonder if you'd be able to spot extra load on the system,
[1961.1] Stephen: just, you know, SSH in on top or something and be like, oh, look,
[1965.1] Stephen: it's waiting, tying up the CPU with all this IO.
[1969.1] Stephen: You can see like percent IO weight shooting up
[1971.1] Stephen: when it's trying to write to the SD card and tying up the CPU.
[1974.1] Curry: Well, I'd love to SSH in, but that would mean that I have a way of getting on the Wi-Fi.
[1983.1] Stephen: Yeah, you've got a wide connection, haven't you, with a breakout?
[1987.1] Stephen: No, you don't get wide connection.
[1989.1] Stephen: Oh, I thought it came with a little handy breakout that gave you an RJ45.
[1994.1] Curry: There is, on the side of it, there is, there's a ground,
[1999.1] Curry: there's I2C and there's basically a TRX and ground.
[2003.1] Curry: Now, that might be a UOP port,
[2007.1] Curry: but whether TTY is running on that is a question.
[2011.1] Curry: By default, it wouldn't be, of course.
[2013.1] Curry: So there's no apparent way of getting it.
[2015.1] Curry: Oh, it really is a blast box.
[2016.1] Curry: As soon as you get it to go up on the Wi-Fi link,
[2019.1] Curry: it's on a set IP address and you can SSH in and do what you like.
[2022.1] Curry: But the fact it told me it was coming from the Wi-Fi link.
[2025.1] Curry: Yeah, I'm on the Wi-Fi and I was like, no, you're not.
[2030.1] Curry: My old one would be fairly consistently on it.
[2034.1] Curry: It's like four out of five times it would work and then sometimes it wouldn't work.
[2039.1] Curry: And this one is like one out of one in a million.
[2042.1] Curry: I got lucky.
[2043.1] Curry: I just got lucky one day and I got my footage.
[2045.1] Stephen: That's what you get with RunCloud, who are great at making hardware
[2048.1] Stephen: and sometimes also build software for you.
[2052.1] Curry: In theory, that is a build of the ground station software
[2062.1] Curry: that runs on Redaxis or whatever.
[2065.1] Curry: And I don't know if they've made any changes to it.
[2068.1] Curry: But what I can do is try, like, I've got my spare one.
[2073.1] Stephen: That USB Ethernet.
[2074.1] Stephen: Because Dongle wasn't giving you any joy either. Just zip.
[2079.1] Curry: Normally lights would flash.
[2082.1] Curry: I've got a signal here and I tried it on a tablet and that was fine.
[2087.1] Curry: But I tried on this.
[2088.1] Curry: It's like no dice and nothing going on.
[2091.1] Curry: I don't know.
[2092.1] Stephen: That's concerning.
[2093.1] Curry: I got the footage so I can make some videos.
[2096.1] Curry: But it's a big worry about why not.
[2099.1] Curry: Of course, if I just put an SD card in, I wouldn't have a problem
[2102.1] Curry: because it would record to the SD card.
[2104.1] Curry: But I didn't do it because I thought, oh, I have no SD card.
[2107.1] Curry: Never mind.
[2108.1] Stephen: It's the SD card, best or worst in terms of, like, system performance.
[2114.1] Stephen: There's a lot of question marks.
[2117.1] Curry: Interestingly, it shows its CPU.
[2119.1] Curry: Actually, that shows the CPU or the Wi-Fi tooling rather than the thing itself.
[2127.1] Curry: I've got a video.
[2129.1] Curry: I made a quick video doing a side-by-side comparison I can show.
[2134.1] Stephen: Sounds like this is easier than the MVR but might actually be worse performing
[2140.1] Stephen: than the old do-it-yourself MVR boards.
[2143.1] Curry: Yeah, it felt it to me because you can really feel...
[2149.1] Curry: It's like when people look at the video, they're like, oh, that looks okay.
[2153.1] Curry: But you can just feel when something's right.
[2157.1] Curry: And this did not feel right to me.
[2160.1] Curry: Interesting, the little e-max quad I've got, it's a pre-S quad,
[2165.1] Curry: but the tiny little e-max open I can see VTX was much better.
[2173.1] Curry: So there's possibly a combination of antennas and different things going on.
[2180.1] Curry: But let me give you a side-by-side and see what you think of this guy.
[2184.1] Stephen: It feels like we're very much in the let's help them alpha test it.
[2190.1] Stephen: It's like the days of which security camera works with analog.
[2194.1] Stephen: Let's all buy this one security camera that works.
[2197.1] Curry: What we've got here on the left, you have got the EVR that was recorded on this itself,
[2204.1] Curry: which I eventually got off.
[2205.1] Curry: Interestingly, I was running 720p at 120 frames a second.
[2210.1] Curry: I tell the DVR to record at 60 frames a second, but it's recorded all the frames.
[2216.1] Curry: So when I looked at it first off, it's like...
[2218.1] Curry: That's very smooth, but it's very slow.
[2220.1] Curry: And then I realized that the seconds looked a bit long,
[2223.1] Curry: and it's basically recorded at 120 frames a second, but thinking at 60 frames a second.
[2229.1] Curry: So I had to speed the left half up and the right half of my goggles.
[2234.1] Curry: And the goggles is the true view, and it goes out of sync very quickly
[2237.1] Curry: because whenever there's like a skip train or anything like that, it completely goes.
[2243.1] Curry: But if you look at this, hopefully you can see it.
[2246.1] Curry: If you look at the trees and the lines down the field,
[2249.1] Curry: that's where you can see it a bit juddery on the right and much smoother on the left.
[2254.1] Curry: And I was like, well, if I had the sort of stuff I got on the left-hand side in my life,
[2259.1] Curry: I'd be a lot happier.
[2261.1] Curry: Because for me, it's like, this is really juddery.
[2265.1] Curry: And it just came off as like, I think I've taken a step backwards here.
[2269.1] Stephen: The previous one worked great, though.
[2270.1] Stephen: I don't know what the difference was.
[2272.1] Stephen: It's interesting.
[2273.1] Stephen: And I think it's going to be an interesting summer.
[2275.1] Stephen: Maybe by the time we get towards Christmas,
[2278.1] Stephen: there'll be a couple of products on the market.
[2281.1] Stephen: And there'll be a bit of competition and people will be improving things.
[2284.1] Stephen: It's a Gen 1 product, and there's going to be room for improvement.
[2289.1] Curry: We can only hope, right?
[2291.1] Curry: I'm interested to see what...
[2293.1] Curry: I haven't got the E-Max VRX yet, which is a much more...
[2296.1] Curry: It's like it's literally a red X in a clever box.
[2300.1] Curry: But that might be a little bit easier to work with.
[2304.1] Curry: It's a known quantity.
[2305.1] Stephen: I know how to get into those, because there's extra ports to plug in and things like that.
[2309.1] Stephen: And it's a system that people have been developing for a couple of years.
[2313.1] Stephen: It's not just some brand new cheap and cheerful Linux target.
[2318.1] Stephen: It's something that hobbyists have been using as a more powerful alternative to the pie for ages.
[2324.1] Curry: We hope.
[2325.1] Curry: Yeah, fingers crossed.
[2326.1] Curry: I'll be doing simple tests.
[2327.1] Curry: I'll be changing out antennas and doing things with settings and stuff.
[2331.1] Curry: My initial review is always like, this is how I came in a box, and this is me flying out of the box.
[2338.1] Curry: And now let's see if we can make it more workable.
[2342.1] Curry: Well done, mate.
[2343.1] Curry: Looks good.
[2344.1] Curry: All right.
[2346.1] Jack: Looks like it's tough to handle the encouraging.
[2349.1] Jack: Exactly.
[2350.1] Jack: And I now must depart.
[2352.1] Jack: No, you said 47 minutes.
[2355.1] Curry: Yeah, that was 40 minutes past.
[2359.1] Curry: All right.
[2360.1] Curry: So one minute for you.
[2361.1] Curry: Give me something interesting.
[2362.1] Jack: What's your favorite thing to eat, Kerry?
[2365.1] Jack: Kerry.
[2366.1] Stephen: Kerry.
[2367.1] Curry: Oh, there you are.
[2369.1] Curry: Out of questions.
[2371.1] Curry: I'm sorry.
[2372.1] Curry: That's for you.
[2375.42] Jack: Will you play root?
[2376.42] Jack: She's the dead with me and Frank.
[2378.42] Jack: I don't know what that is.
[2380.42] Jack: It's a game.
[2383.42] Jack: No, not one I've heard of.
[2386.42] Jack: Look it up.
[2387.42] Jack: It's amazing.
[2388.42] Jack: A guy made it at the day nine game jam.
[2395.42] Jack: And it's available on itchy.io.
[2398.42] Jack: And then it was so popular.
[2401.42] Jack: And it had really good reviews.
[2404.42] Jack: Have you ever played over a din?
[2407.42] Jack: The black and white.
[2410.42] Stephen: Yeah.
[2411.42] Jack: Yeah, it's basically, I really want to put it.
[2414.42] Jack: I want to combine your great mind
[2417.42] Jack: with Frank's great personality.
[2420.42] Jack: And it's like going through.
[2423.42] Curry: Both of us at once.
[2426.42] Curry: Yeah.
[2428.42] Curry: Frank is sick.
[2430.42] Curry: I've got no personality.
[2432.42] Jack: You've got to kind of
[2437.42] Jack: solve a family tree
[2440.42] Jack: and do research and stuff.
[2442.42] Jack: And obviously, I'll be the space-bearing control.
[2445.42] Jack: And then you two scream at me for not spelling things correctly.
[2449.42] Frank: We'll be working to our strengths, clearly.
[2453.42] Stephen: Jack, I will focus his long genealogy.
[2456.42] Stephen: Bye, Kerry.
[2458.42] Stephen: Bye, Kerry.
[2460.42] Jack: I think it'll be an excellent mystery.
[2462.42] Jack: Well, there we are.
[2463.42] Stephen: Maybe we'll do some gaming bonus spots or something.
[2467.42] Stephen: It'll be a laugh.
[2468.42] Stephen: I thought for myself to play Assassin's Creed
[2470.42] Stephen: and wish I hadn't this time.
[2471.42] Stephen: It really is just the same game as getting back on.
[2475.42] Jack: Frank's not been having a great time regarding video gaming.
[2480.42] Jack: No.
[2481.42] Stephen: Oh, my God.
[2483.42] Stephen: Still got the Pokémon addiction.
[2485.42] Frank: No, I keep buying games
[2488.42] Frank: and then having to wait, you know,
[2491.42] Frank: 24 hours for it to download
[2493.42] Frank: and another few hours for it to install
[2495.42] Frank: and then open and play the game for 30 seconds
[2498.42] Frank: before it goes,
[2499.42] Frank: no, actually, you need to update everything
[2502.42] Frank: and then play for another few minutes until the game crashes
[2505.42] Frank: and it turns out there's a hot fix that's been released
[2508.42] Frank: to fix that particular problem in the game at that point.
[2511.42] Frank: And I was like, this is a very silly way to spend time.
[2516.42] Frank: Yeah, it doesn't sound very fun.
[2518.42] Frank: I seem to spend my evenings like maintaining software
[2522.42] Frank: instead of playing games.
[2524.42] Frank: This is not what I signed up for.
[2526.42] Stephen: The system has made it easier to ship half-finished crap
[2531.42] Stephen: rather than actually put pressure on game developers
[2533.42] Stephen: to put out CD or a floppy disk
[2536.42] Stephen: and it either worked and it was amazing
[2538.42] Stephen: or it didn't work and everyone said you sucked.
[2540.42] Stephen: And now it's this sort of drawn-out apology over multiple years
[2544.42] Stephen: of you can sort of try and massage the release afterwards.
[2549.42] Frank: This is what I was screaming at my computer last night
[2553.42] Frank: before chucking out a window.
[2556.42] Frank: It was like, what was wrong with the games cartridge?
[2559.42] Frank: You just got the games cartridge,
[2561.42] Frank: plugged it in and then played the game.
[2563.42] Stephen: Oh, did you hear that with the new console,
[2565.42] Stephen: Nintendo have decided that they're not going to be doing games
[2568.42] Stephen: on cards anymore.
[2569.42] Stephen: It's going to be like just a download code.
[2572.42] Stephen: That's it.
[2573.42] Frank: Yeah, I mean, it makes sense.
[2575.42] Frank: For that marketing perspective, yeah.
[2579.42] Stephen: Actually being able to play the game perspective,
[2581.42] Stephen: it's exactly what you just described, Frank.
[2583.42] Stephen: It's the same thing.
[2585.42] Jack: Yeah.
[2586.42] Jack: I'll miss not being able to lick the cartridges.
[2590.42] Jack: You can still lick cartridges.
[2592.42] Stephen: They won't necessarily be responsible for video games,
[2595.42] Stephen: but you can find printer cartridges,
[2597.42] Stephen: all sorts of things and lick them.
[2598.42] Jack: Yeah.
[2599.42] Jack: No, the Nintendo Switch games are covered in like a bit tracks.
[2604.42] Jack: If you lick them, they taste really awful.
[2607.42] Jack: I don't like that.
[2608.42] Koel: To prevent children from choking on it, basically.
[2611.42] Jack: Yeah.
[2612.42] Jack: And you can get Energizer CR 20 blue ones.
[2617.42] Jack: And if you lick them, they turn your tongue blue for days.
[2621.42] Jack: Oh, really?
[2622.42] Jack: How do you know?
[2623.42] Koel: How do you know?
[2625.42] Koel: Let's see your tongue, buddy.
[2627.42] Koel: Open wide.
[2630.42] Jack: It's annoying.
[2631.42] Jack: I bought some and they weren't the blue ones.
[2633.42] Jack: You want to test it out?
[2635.42] Jack: Did you test them all to be sure?
[2637.42] Jack: If anyone wants to send me some, let me know.
[2639.42] Stephen: If anyone wants to lick splasheries, please contact Jack.
[2644.42] Jack: We're in spoon class.
[2649.42] Frank: Has anyone got any plans for making the most of the weather
[2653.42] Frank: while it still lasts this week?
[2655.42] Frank: So in the UK, Cole, we've been enjoying the benefits
[2659.42] Frank: of an Omega block in the weather.
[2665.42] Frank: So the jet stream has made this nice, very stable bit
[2669.42] Frank: of high pressure over the UK for the past couple of weeks.
[2672.42] Frank: And so it's just been like blue skies and sunshine.
[2676.42] Stephen: Let's not overstate it.
[2678.42] Stephen: It was a bit windy still.
[2680.42] Frank: It's been a bit windy, but it's been blue skies and sunshine.
[2683.42] Frank: Is there anything about the wind?
[2685.42] Frank: Well, it's been here.
[2686.42] Koel: It's been snow.
[2687.42] Koel: It's currently snowing right now.
[2690.42] Koel: It sucks.
[2692.42] Jack: Yeah.
[2693.42] Jack: I just imaged a Raspberry Pi.
[2695.42] Jack: I'm ready to be in CLI request to Gary.
[2703.42] Jack: I got one of these.
[2706.42] Frank: The best of the weather, eh?
[2708.42] Frank: Voltara.
[2709.42] Frank: It's one of those.
[2710.42] Jack: Voltara mini 50A ESC.
[2713.42] Jack: Yeah.
[2714.42] Jack: You didn't tell me about that, you little slag.
[2717.42] Jack: I didn't.
[2718.42] Jack: Is that why you got another key chain?
[2720.42] Jack: Yes, it is.
[2721.42] Jack: Do you have all the key chains?
[2723.42] Koel: No, I'm missing one.
[2725.42] Koel: Which one are you missing?
[2727.42] Koel: Ultra V2 mini.
[2729.42] Koel: What's a Voltara?
[2730.42] Koel: It came with this cap, which I've never seen this brand before.
[2737.42] Koel: What is the brand?
[2739.42] Koel: I don't know.
[2740.42] Koel: It's Y-M-I-N or something.
[2745.42] Stephen: What else do you think is in the factory?
[2747.42] Koel: I have no idea.
[2750.42] Koel: I don't know if it's necessarily the cheapest ones.
[2752.42] Koel: I know that with the Voltara stuff,
[2754.42] Koel: I think they used to get ones that had a purple thing on it,
[2758.42] Koel: and those were apparently higher end caps.
[2761.42] Koel: I don't know anything about caps.
[2763.42] Jack: Lower ESR.
[2765.42] Jack: Aluminum radio.
[2769.42] Jack: Yep.
[2771.42] Koel: You have the Voltara mini, yep.
[2773.42] Stephen: They are a Shanghai-based capacitor manufacturing group.
[2777.42] Stephen: Oh, surprise, surprise.
[2779.42] Jack: Were you building a WOOP or a mini?
[2783.42] Koel: Well, I had bought an Ultra Mini V2 a while back
[2788.42] Koel: with the thoughts of building a tiny WOOP,
[2791.42] Koel: or not tiny WOOP, but some kind of Cine WOOP or whatever.
[2795.42] Koel: But then I realized I don't have a matching ESC of the same size.
[2800.42] Koel: It's 20 by 20.
[2802.42] Koel: They released Voltara minis in the last couple months or something,
[2806.42] Koel: and they just came out with a new stock, so I just grabbed one.
[2809.42] Koel: I don't know what I'm going to build with yet, but I'm...
[2813.42] Jack: Have you got two normal Voltaras that you still haven't sold it out?
[2818.42] Koel: I do, yes, that's correct.
[2822.42] Koel: It's insane.
[2824.42] Koel: Never surrender.
[2825.42] Koel: How many ESCs do you have in your cupboard, Jack?
[2828.42] Frank: People in glasshouses, yeah.
[2832.42] Stephen: Yeah, I'm well aware.
[2834.42] Stephen: Some of them with two or more working phases.
[2838.42] Jack: Yeah.
[2841.42] Jack: To be fair, I got some FETs to fix one of mine.
[2845.42] Jack: Oh, really?
[2847.42] Jack: Yeah.
[2848.42] Jack: That's fine.
[2849.42] Jack: Probably not going to go well, but we can only hope.
[2852.42] Stephen: We can hope.
[2853.42] Jack: We can pray.
[2856.42] Jack: What's going to have to do with some solder mask repair on that one?
[2859.42] Jack: I know that.
[2861.42] Stephen: What's your track record like with FETs, because they always look like a bit of a tricky repair?
[2866.42] Stephen: There's always a load of track right next to them.
[2870.42] Jack: Yeah, not too bad.
[2873.42] Jack: I don't know whether I can talk about this story.
[2878.42] Jack: Probably not.
[2879.42] Stephen: There's such a wide spectrum of things that you may or may not be able to talk about.
[2882.42] Stephen: It's hard to know exactly where it's going to go.
[2885.42] Frank: The fact that Jack won't talk about it, it's just it's pretty serious.
[2889.42] Stephen: Well, after the quarantine, just let us know.
[2893.42] Jack: Yeah, I don't know.
[2896.42] Jack: But, yeah, we were flying something.
[2900.42] Jack: Something.
[2901.42] Jack: Somewhere.
[2902.42] Frank: Something was flying somewhere.
[2904.42] Jack: West of someone.
[2905.42] Jack: Yeah.
[2906.42] Jack: At some altitude.
[2907.42] Jack: And at about 12 midnight to 1am, it'd been on fire.
[2914.42] Jack: And got repaired.
[2916.42] Jack: And no one was wiser.
[2921.42] Jack: Very very.
[2922.42] Jack: And they still flew.
[2923.42] Jack: Oh, that's good.
[2926.79] Jack: Yeah.
[2927.79] Jack: So pretty good on the old FET thing.
[2931.79] Jack: Didn't have much luck with the old other ESCs.
[2936.79] Jack: Oh.
[2939.79] Jack: And Tom popped round with a flight controller with a damaged back.
[2945.79] Jack: But I think the short was internal on the board.
[2949.79] Jack: So kept that.
[2951.79] Jack: That I replaced.
[2952.79] Jack: I changed all the caps.
[2953.79] Jack: Well, I removed a load of caps.
[2956.79] Jack: Removed like the switching regulator.
[2961.79] Jack: I removed the I mean, I was desperate.
[2965.79] Jack: I even removed like the the coil and everything.
[2973.23] Jack: And yeah, which it very rarely is the coil.
[2977.23] Jack: But yeah, still had a short.
[2980.23] Jack: And the five bolt back.
[2981.23] Jack: Yeah.
[2982.23] Jack: So if anyone's got a decent little mini flight controller that
[2986.23] Jack: would fit lovely in a wing, Tom would love to have one.
[2993.23] Jack: But yeah, it's a bit of a nightmare.
[2997.23] Jack: A lot of broken stuff.
[2998.23] Jack: I've got a China.
[3001.23] Jack: Got a little be soaking in some fluid to get rid of the conformal
[3007.23] Jack: code.
[3008.23] Koel: Yeah, of course.
[3009.23] Koel: Oh, have anyone had anyone here heard of the company Swell Pro
[3012.23] Koel: that make drones like so like waterproof drones or like fishing
[3018.23] Koel: drones and like that?
[3020.23] Koel: No, I've seen a few videos.
[3022.23] Frank: I've seen a few videos of underwater drones or amphibious
[3026.23] Frank: drones.
[3027.23] Frank: But I don't know the name.
[3029.23] Frank: I don't recognize the name.
[3030.23] Koel: Well, basically, there is a company which I don't know
[3033.23] Koel: anything about other than that.
[3035.23] Koel: They make drones or have made drones named Swell Pro.
[3038.23] Koel: Well, there's a local Facebook group here in Canada where
[3043.23] Koel: this guy posted.
[3044.23] Koel: He's like, hey, can anybody help me fix this?
[3049.23] Koel: Basically, what happened was these batteries for said Swell
[3054.23] Koel: Pro drone, they take a very strange type of connector.
[3060.23] Koel: So maybe it's not that strange, but it's a 3S balance JST,
[3065.23] Koel: which goes into the charger and then into the battery.
[3070.23] Koel: It takes a JST ZH, which has the round holes, not square,
[3076.23] Koel: which again, that's what I was kind of thinking it was kind of
[3079.23] Koel: weird, the ZH connector type.
[3081.23] Koel: Well, he damaged his cable rendering his entire drone and
[3087.23] Koel: batteries bricked.
[3089.23] Koel: Like he can't charge his batteries.
[3091.23] Koel: He can't use his drone all because of this JST cable basically
[3095.23] Koel: or the charging cable with the two different JST connectors on
[3098.23] Koel: it.
[3099.23] Koel: Well, he had reached out to the company and to no avail.
[3104.23] Koel: I guess he didn't really hear back from them.
[3106.23] Koel: He could locate a cable like that in, I think, Australia at
[3111.23] Koel: some random places, but then the shipping and then the import
[3114.23] Koel: and everything was ridiculous when two plastic JST connectors
[3119.23] Koel: and some silicone crimped wire.
[3121.23] Koel: That's what?
[3122.23] Koel: And he's like, it didn't cost anything.
[3124.23] Koel: And so I was like, yeah, I can fix that, but I didn't know
[3130.23] Koel: what the one end was on it.
[3132.23] Koel: He attempted some kind of repair, which was unsuccessful.
[3136.23] Koel: And I was like, well, give it to me.
[3138.23] Koel: Let me see what I can do and I'll try and fix it for you.
[3141.23] Koel: But in the meantime, I actually reached out to the company as
[3144.23] Koel: well and they're like, yeah, sorry, that drone just continued
[3147.23] Koel: and we no longer have stock of that charging cable.
[3150.23] Koel: And it is just a cable.
[3153.23] Stephen: It's not crazy.
[3155.23] Koel: Yeah.
[3156.23] Koel: But the crazy thing is that that drone was only released in
[3158.23] Koel: like 2020.
[3159.23] Koel: So why do they not have a charging cable available?
[3164.23] Koel: Yeah.
[3165.23] Koel: So whatever.
[3166.23] Koel: So I with the help of Alan from the Kiss Ultra Discord, he
[3171.23] Koel: helped me actually.
[3172.23] Koel: Well, actually a bunch of people, Jack, Alan from the Kiss
[3176.23] Koel: Ultra, a few other people I can't remember right now.
[3179.23] Koel: I was trying to identify the connector type because it was
[3181.23] Koel: strange that ZH connector type instead of square pins.
[3186.23] Stephen: Do you think the pins themselves or the actual connector
[3189.23] Stephen: housing was like rounded?
[3190.23] Koel: Both.
[3191.23] Koel: So on the battery itself, the round and on the connector,
[3195.23] Koel: it's also round.
[3196.23] Koel: So I figured out what the connector is.
[3200.23] Koel: So now I know I can just easily fix it.
[3202.23] Koel: So I've ordered just a couple little things, but I'm going to
[3205.23] Koel: fix this thing so that I can allow this guy to still use his
[3209.23] Koel: drones.
[3210.23] Koel: Well done.
[3211.23] Koel: It's ridiculous, though, that like a drone can be bricked by
[3216.23] Koel: not having a game really, isn't it?
[3219.23] Stephen: It's like the game isn't to sell you the best drone.
[3222.23] Stephen: The game is to sell you as many drones as possible.
[3226.23] Stephen: So yeah, it kind of plays into a strategy to extract the
[3231.23] Stephen: money.
[3232.23] Stephen: Connectors.
[3233.23] Stephen: Yeah.
[3234.23] Stephen: Design them to be.
[3235.23] Stephen: I mean, you look at companies.
[3236.23] Stephen: We're talking about DGI.
[3237.23] Stephen: They don't even give you a JST.
[3240.23] Stephen: They'll design their own connector with their molds and
[3243.23] Stephen: you won't be able to find anywhere.
[3245.23] Koel: Which are basically just like the positive and negative
[3249.23] Koel: terminals.
[3250.23] Koel: Then they put into a housing and then that's like one laptop
[3256.23] Stephen: charges right for Dell and HP.
[3258.23] Stephen: They look just like a simple DC charger.
[3260.23] Stephen: There's actually a circuit in there like a one wire
[3263.23] Stephen: connection that authenticates the charger inside.
[3266.23] Stephen: And if you buy some other charger, even if it gives you
[3269.23] Stephen: like 19 volts, it won't work.
[3272.23] Stephen: It won't work.
[3273.23] Stephen: Yeah.
[3274.23] Stephen: Which is why people moan about USB-C, but oh my word,
[3277.23] Stephen: God's in so many ways.
[3279.23] Stephen: But it doesn't help us with drones, unfortunately.
[3282.23] Stephen: No.
[3283.23] Frank: It's never going to happen, but I would love for it to be
[3288.23] Frank: a rule that like, if you put a product on the market,
[3292.23] Frank: you have to stash all your bill of materials,
[3298.23] Frank: your diagrams, your software, everything, all in a place.
[3302.23] Frank: And then when you stop supporting it, it gets published.
[3305.23] Stephen: But people have tried this for what people call the
[3308.23] Stephen: internet of unmentionables, right?
[3310.23] Stephen: Yeah.
[3311.23] Stephen: The idea is that they'll force people to deliver security
[3314.23] Stephen: updates and make sure that the user's informed if any
[3318.23] Stephen: update's going to impact the longevity of their product
[3321.23] Stephen: or potentially lock them into a scenario or remove
[3324.23] Stephen: features and things like this.
[3326.23] Stephen: So very consumer friendly, and it kind of went through
[3328.23] Stephen: in Europe, we've got a version of it over here.
[3330.23] Stephen: But that really only tackles internet of IoT stuff,
[3335.23] Stephen: like your light switches and little doodads you have
[3339.23] Stephen: around the home, switch things on and off, some light
[3341.23] Stephen: bulbs, that type of stuff.
[3343.23] Stephen: It doesn't go as far as drones.
[3345.23] Stephen: What we need is some type of legislation that stretches
[3347.23] Stephen: out to drones as well, but we're kind of a niche hobby.
[3350.23] Stephen: So people are more focused on the tons and tons of
[3353.23] Stephen: electrical waste that are coming out of internet
[3355.23] Stephen: connected cameras and light switches than they are
[3359.23] Stephen: with drones, unfortunately.
[3361.23] Stephen: Eventually around work, but not just now.
[3364.23] Jack: Anyway, thank you to our lover of Patreons who we
[3367.23] Jack: always put first.
[3369.23] Jack: Without you, the show would not go on.
[3372.23] Jack: And we have a lovely edit thing where you don't have
[3374.23] Jack: to listen to the conversation text messages from my
[3378.23] Jack: mum to Curry regarding golf.
[3380.23] Jack: If you want to know what that reference is, listen to
[3386.23] Jack: it on YouTube.
[3387.23] Jack: Trust me, you don't want to do that.
[3389.23] Jack: You've been joined by everyone's favourite,
[3391.23] Jack: Curry Kitten, who's not here.
[3392.23] Jack: Someone do a Curry Kitten impression.
[3394.23] Koel: Hi.
[3397.23] Jack: Our Lord of Master, I just say, Frank.
[3399.23] Jack: Bye.
[3400.23] Stephen: My impression is better than my Curry impression, I think.
[3404.23] Stephen: Yeah.
[3405.23] Jack: You've trimmed your moustache.
[3408.23] Jack: Now it's equal with your beard.
[3411.23] Stephen: Yeah, it's a stealth moustache at the moment.
[3414.23] Stephen: Okay.
[3415.23] Stephen: Yeah.
[3416.23] Stephen: Thanks everyone.
[3417.23] Stephen: More flying next week.
[3418.23] Stephen: We'll get some more flying topics and I promise.
[3421.23] Jack: I'm out with Christian tomorrow.
[3423.23] Jack: Ooh.
[3424.23] Jack: Ooh, I get some Christian action.
[3426.23] Jack: I'm being a good boy.
[3427.23] Jack: Enjoy.
[3428.23] Jack: Yep.
[3429.23] Jack: All the tricopses.
[3431.23] Jack: Yep.
[3432.23] Jack: Cole.
[3433.23] Jack: Keep on trying.
[3434.23] Jack: See ya.
[3435.23] Jack: Actually build that quad.
[3436.23] Jack: Don't hoard hardware.
[3437.23] Jack: God damn you.
[3438.23] Koel: Says the biggest hoarder of hardware known to mankind.
[3442.23] Stephen: Flying my hardware.
[3444.23] Stephen: You're sitting in the chair of all the A.C.s.
[3447.23] Stephen: It's just a stack of A.C. stuck together.
[3450.23] Jack: And I've been brought into the fly.
[3452.23] Jack: You've been listed lecturing out live every Thursday.
[3456.23] Jack: Thank you.
[3457.23] Jack: Good night.
[3458.23] Jack: Good night.
[3459.23] Koel: Bye-bye.
[3460.23] Koel: Telemetry lost.