=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 504 ===
Title: LDO 504 - Would you like to burn some acetone?
Recorded: 2025-04-24
Hosts: Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Tony "TheTonstar1" Marchant
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 902
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5XM7gSLn9g); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/2085307149-letsdroneout-ldo-504-would-you-like-to-burn-some-acetone.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello, and you're listening to Let's Drone Out, a special thank you to our lovely patrons
[6.28] Jack: that help donate so that we can pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things
[11.36] Jack: we say.
[13.0] Jack: Massive thank you to…
[14.4] Jack: Carlos Campos!
[16.0] Jack: Art Faulkner.
[17.84] Frank: Sam Dahmer.
[19.68] Frank: On with the show.
[20.68] Tony: Let's drone out now.
[52.7] Jack: Good evening, you're listening to Let's Drone Out.
[57.86] Jack: We are joined by the wonderful Frank.
[62.78] Frank: Hello.
[63.78] Jack: Wonderful.
[69.78] Stephen: That's an upgrade.
[71.78] Jack: I'm sorry, I can't…
[74.78] Jack: You guys missed it, but like at the beginning of the show, just before we were about to go
[79.78] Jack: live, Frank turned to us and said, it's…
[82.78] Jack: What did you say?
[83.78] Jack: It's like Tony's…
[86.78] Frank: Tony and Jack, at the bottom of the screen, Tony is entirely lit.
[91.78] Frank: Just everywhere is bright white.
[93.78] Frank: And Jack is just like a floating head in the middle of the darkness.
[97.78] Frank: And it's like having the angel on the shoulder and the devil on your shoulder.
[102.78] Frank: It's like the two sides, the light and the dark.
[105.78] Frank: And then, Steven, would you like to do your impression of us two?
[111.78] Stephen: Apologies for my terrible actions, but it's like I'm going to get in shape and do some
[116.78] Stephen: exercise and look great for summer versus…
[119.78] Stephen: Would you like to burn some ethanol?
[125.78] Jack: Acetone.
[126.78] Jack: So far it's acetone.
[128.78] Jack: It's an acetone.
[130.78] Jack: That's me.
[133.78] Jack: Perfect.
[138.78] Jack: And my wonderful wife.
[140.78] Jack: Bonjour.
[142.78] Jack: And I'm bright till I fly.
[144.78] Jack: Hello and welcome to the show.
[147.78] Frank: Hello.
[148.78] Jack: Hello.
[149.78] Jack: Well, is there no curry today?
[150.78] Jack: Curry is attending important engagements.
[154.78] Stephen: Okay.
[155.78] Stephen: Social calendar is very social.
[158.78] Stephen: I went flying this week.
[160.78] Stephen: I just thought I'd, you know, blow everyone's minds.
[163.78] Stephen: F me sideways.
[164.78] Stephen: That's a turn up for the books.
[165.78] Stephen: How's it going?
[168.78] Jack: I was too busy dealing with the BP oil spill.
[171.78] Jack: That is my flat.
[173.78] Frank: That's why it is that colour.
[176.78] Tony: Where did you go?
[178.78] Frank: I went to, unusually for me, an old army camp that was abandoned and mostly demolished.
[185.78] Frank: It was effectively a car park and some roads.
[189.78] Stephen: Did you demolish it some more with your wings?
[192.78] Frank: No, I was entirely quadding this time around.
[198.78] Frank: Basically because quads survive being moved around, whereas wings do not in my experience.
[206.78] Frank: So also you can't exactly drive right up to this particular site.
[212.78] Frank: So it's a little bit of a walk and, you know, quads are much better in the backpack than any fixed wing stuff.
[220.78] Frank: So, yeah.
[222.78] Frank: Enjoyed it.
[223.78] Frank: Flying around on the O3, abandoning Jack again.
[228.78] Stephen: You've got an O3 as well.
[230.78] Stephen: Wow.
[231.78] Stephen: What are you flying these days?
[232.78] Stephen: What's your weapon of choice?
[234.78] Frank: So I have a Blywoo LR4 with the O3 and then V2 goggles is what I'm flying that with.
[246.78] Frank: Yeah, it's just, it all just works and is fine.
[252.78] Stephen: That's the little guy that does like 15 minute flight times, doesn't it?
[256.78] Frank: Yeah.
[257.78] Frank: Yeah.
[258.78] Frank: I don't think I've got 15 minutes out of it, but I've definitely got like, you know,
[262.78] Frank: between five and 10 minutes without breaking a sweat.
[265.78] Frank: Is it big?
[266.78] Tony: It's very good.
[267.78] Tony: How big is it?
[268.78] Frank: So it's a four inch.
[271.78] Frank: Yeah.
[272.78] Frank: Little thing.
[273.78] Frank: It's just, it's very neat.
[276.78] Tony: Some would say four inches quite big.
[284.78] Jack: It's smaller than a knife that's been stuck in my back.
[290.78] Tony: What's the matter, darling?
[293.78] Jack: I'm joking.
[294.78] Jack: I'm joking.
[295.78] Jack: I'm glad you're happy, Frank.
[297.78] Jack: A happy Frank is a safe Frank.
[299.78] Jack: Isn't it nice flying with Chris G though?
[301.78] Jack: It is so lovely.
[303.78] Jack: Yeah.
[304.78] Jack: It just takes such comfort.
[307.78] Frank: It was just me and Chris G.
[310.78] Frank: We were discussing his thoughts for El Deo No.
[314.78] Frank: He has some potential.
[316.78] Frank: El Deo No, not again.
[317.78] Frank: Sorry.
[319.78] Tony: Is that what he's called?
[320.78] Tony: El Deo No, not again.
[322.78] Stephen: We need some kind of empathy that goes with that El Deo No, not again.
[327.78] Stephen: What would the line after that?
[330.78] Stephen: Now I think this time it's personal.
[332.78] Frank: I think that's sufficient.
[334.78] Frank: But yeah, so had a good time flying around this old army camp with some structures,
[341.78] Frank: but very open structures, which is good for flying through.
[344.78] Stephen: The rips of a few roofs it looked like.
[346.78] Stephen: Yeah, exactly.
[348.78] Frank: Yeah, yeah.
[349.78] Frank: So that was good.
[351.78] Frank: Chris G brought along some exciting things.
[354.78] Frank: He was having a great time with his own version of like the robot grabber toy,
[362.78] Frank: but with drones.
[364.78] Frank: And we'll see if he gets around to sharing that.
[367.78] Frank: Yeah.
[368.78] Frank: Oh, yeah.
[369.78] Frank: Oh, yeah.
[370.78] Frank: It was very entertaining.
[372.78] Frank: Sounds like a lot of challenging pendulums.
[376.78] Jack: He was very pendulous.
[378.78] Jack: Yes.
[379.78] Jack: It sucks that his internet is so dog shit because I would just love to phone him up
[384.78] Jack: and be like, hey, we're talking about you.
[387.78] Jack: It's completely pointless.
[388.78] Jack: I can't even where he lives.
[390.78] Jack: I can't even like phone call him and just something against cameras in general and
[396.78] Stephen: like high definition.
[397.78] Stephen: He's just like he's staying in that 90s lifestyle.
[401.78] Jack: I don't know.
[402.78] Jack: He's been on the show and stuff.
[404.78] Frank: And you know, I will say he had a he had a distinct lack of comms on Monday.
[412.78] Frank: I can imagine.
[413.78] Frank: But never mind.
[418.78] Frank: We managed to walk across the same bit of tarmac at the same sort of time.
[422.78] Frank: So it all worked out.
[425.78] Frank: Groovy.
[427.78] Frank: Yeah.
[429.78] Frank: How about everyone else?
[430.78] Frank: I feel like you haven't been on for a while, Tony.
[432.78] Frank: I haven't.
[433.78] Frank: Have you?
[434.78] Frank: I haven't done anything.
[436.78] Frank: Are you planning on doing anything?
[438.78] Frank: Have you been like watching like drone stuff in the background and being like,
[442.78] Tony: oh, I don't keep sneaking about and looking about.
[447.78] Tony: Well, bits here and there and watching you guys while in bed.
[451.78] Frank: I've been working a lot of weeks.
[454.78] Tony: Yeah.
[456.78] Tony: Yeah.
[457.78] Tony: I've just been just been working and riding basically.
[461.78] Tony: But I am I'm planning on having a little fly this summer.
[466.78] Tony: And now everything's going green and lush out there.
[469.78] Tony: And we've got nice weather.
[472.78] Tony: It's a good time.
[473.78] Tony: But I've just got to see if everything works again because the last time I flew
[476.78] Tony: I had problems with I think it was my trainers in the end.
[479.78] Tony: We worked out because I lost a quad, didn't I?
[482.78] Tony: I think it was November the last time I flew.
[485.78] Tony: I think maybe all before that.
[488.78] Tony: And I went looking for a quad for about three hours in the woods because I
[491.78] Tony: couldn't work out where it dropped.
[493.78] Tony: I forgot to DVR it, which I need to do every time.
[498.78] Tony: I would have found it in about 10 minutes otherwise, but yeah.
[503.78] Tony: And I think we're going out this summer, all of us as a gang, aren't we,
[507.78] Tony: for when Carl comes over.
[510.78] Frank: Absolutely.
[511.78] Tony: I've got to have a few quads running for that and come out for the details,
[516.78] Tony: whatever.
[517.78] Frank: Well, that was part of why I was checking out this spot on the bank on the
[522.78] Frank: Sunday.
[523.78] Frank: This looks like it could be a spot I can imagine Cole would enjoy flying
[527.78] Frank: around with these frames of buildings.
[531.78] Tony: We'll see.
[532.78] Tony: There's definitely a few spots I'd like to go.
[535.78] Tony: Begin to a few.
[538.78] Tony: Down the coasty stuff.
[540.78] Stephen: Yeah.
[541.78] Stephen: Be nice to get out.
[543.78] Stephen: I have done.
[544.78] Stephen: I mean, I did that mega bando and stuff and everything after that feels like
[547.78] Stephen: tiny Bando, but yeah, it's lovely just to get out in the in the outdoors
[552.78] Stephen: around the trees, which make a bando.
[555.78] Stephen: Well, the one that is now in trip to our YP.
[559.78] Stephen: They added some real life spots to it.
[562.78] Stephen: And the one in Croatia is called mega bando was where I flew when the trip
[570.78] Stephen: was organized over to Croatia.
[572.78] Stephen: It's absolutely massive.
[574.78] Stephen: I think the central corollary is a little over a kilometer of just one
[577.78] Stephen: unbroken line in the middle of the bando.
[580.78] Stephen: It's massive.
[582.78] Stephen: The model does it justice.
[584.78] Stephen: So a fire up trip, if you have a chance, it's just a massive structure like
[589.78] Stephen: there are an uncountable number of fully grown trees on the roof of the
[594.78] Stephen: structure like that.
[595.78] Stephen: That's how big it is.
[597.78] Stephen: It's huge.
[598.78] Stephen: And it's just been, you know, left since all the upheaval when the Soviet
[602.78] Stephen: Union broke apart in the 90s and, you know, everything with everyone just
[606.78] Stephen: kind of ran out of the country with their suitcases full of money.
[609.78] Stephen: And this thing's half built.
[610.78] Stephen: And, you know, it's just been sitting there gathering dust and the rest
[614.78] Stephen: for time immemorial since then.
[617.78] Stephen: It's absolutely massive.
[620.78] Stephen: I did spot that they haven't actually put some of the underfloor bits
[625.78] Stephen: because there's some bits where if you're walking along, you have to be
[628.78] Stephen: comfortable because there'll be like a 20 centimeter by 50 centimeter hole in
[634.78] Stephen: the floor that just goes down to the floor below, which obviously you don't
[639.78] Stephen: want to walk into.
[640.78] Stephen: Great for flying.
[641.78] Stephen: Yeah.
[642.78] Stephen: I was flying like a little three and a half inch and you could just like cut
[645.78] Stephen: throttle and drop through one of these and go along in the floor below and pop
[648.78] Stephen: out the next one.
[649.78] Stephen: That was a great laugh.
[652.78] Stephen: But yeah, some outdoors would be cool.
[655.78] Jack: Would you ever replace your Taranis, Tony?
[658.78] Jack: Or maybe buy a LiPo battery for it?
[662.78] Tony: I'd probably buy a LiPo for it.
[664.78] Tony: I don't know if I'd replace it if it still works.
[666.78] Tony: Yeah.
[667.78] Tony: What's the point that works, right?
[668.78] Tony: I like it.
[669.78] Tony: But I don't know.
[670.78] Jack: I don't know whether the builds for the...
[672.78] Stephen: Tony sounds like he's had way better luck with the Taranis than you had, Jack.
[677.78] Stephen: You seem to be pretty hard on those.
[678.78] Stephen: It sounds like...
[679.78] Tony: I've had mine since 2000 and what?
[684.78] Tony: Well, I've had it a decade or probably almost a...
[687.78] Tony: Well, it must be a decade now.
[689.78] Stephen: Does it sleep in a nice little case of its own all protected and stuff?
[692.78] Stephen: It's actually...
[693.78] Jack: No.
[696.78] Jack: He bought one before they had cases.
[701.78] Jack: That arrived in a bin.
[704.78] Jack: He doesn't even have ribbon cables in that.
[707.78] Jack: They're each individual wires with their own plugs.
[711.78] Jack: It is not the Taranis Plus.
[713.78] Jack: No.
[714.78] Jack: It's the original Taranis.
[716.78] Tony: And the RC stickers.
[718.78] Tony: Dog poop bin stickers.
[720.78] UNKNOWN: Yeah.
[721.78] Tony: I mean, if it works, it works.
[723.78] Tony: I just like the way it feels.
[725.78] Tony: I learnt to fly with this.
[727.78] Tony: I don't know whether I would change it or not.
[730.78] Tony: I'm not sure.
[731.78] Jack: Well, you won't have to make that decision until it breaks, so count yourself.
[736.78] Jack: The original Taranis was fine and it worked and I sold it and it's working.
[742.78] Jack: And as far as I know, it's still alive today.
[746.78] Jack: The piece of shit that I replaced it with that had black slime in it.
[755.78] Jack: That's a different story.
[758.78] Tony: What didn't you buy?
[760.78] Tony: What did you call it?
[761.78] Jack: 2016 one.
[763.78] Jack: And it just doesn't work.
[765.78] Jack: Like it just freaks out.
[767.78] Tony: It did sound like this.
[769.78] Jack: Oh, I've got a...
[773.06] Jack: I now have access to a T16S.
[778.06] Jack: Which just isn't the same.
[781.06] Jack: But it's all right.
[782.06] Stephen: It's a bit of a...
[783.06] Stephen: It's got almost an unpleasant amount of heft, doesn't it?
[786.06] Stephen: It's well heavy.
[789.06] Stephen: It does everything you could think of, but you carry it for sure.
[795.06] Jack: But I need to put...
[797.06] Jack: I need some very heavy but nice sized high capacity 18650s for it.
[808.06] Jack: Because the ones that the 18650s that I have don't last the entire flying evening.
[817.06] Stephen: I was a chump and I just bought the RadioMaster battery pack that they do.
[822.06] Stephen: Like the 6000 mar thing.
[825.06] Stephen: Yeah.
[826.06] Stephen: The 2700s in it.
[827.06] Stephen: That works pretty well.
[829.06] Jack: Yeah, I've got that in my...
[834.06] Jack: Boxer?
[835.06] Jack: Pocket.
[836.06] Jack: Yeah, Boxer, yeah.
[838.06] Jack: But it's like cracking it open, switching it over, moving it.
[844.06] Jack: And then there's another lipo that's like unchecked.
[849.06] Jack: Rattling around and not in a lipo safe bag.
[853.06] Tony: That's another thing I'd have to check is go for all my lipos because they've been sitting outside for a couple of years.
[858.06] Tony: Well, not outside.
[859.06] Tony: They're in a plastic bench.
[865.06] Jack: It might as well just be outside.
[867.06] Stephen: Yeah.
[868.06] Stephen: It's not a fire hazard.
[869.06] Stephen: It's a self-starting barbecue kit.
[871.06] Stephen: It's totally different.
[872.06] Tony: They're in a ammo crate.
[875.06] Tony: Not that I'd do anything just to contain the fire.
[879.06] Jack: Yeah.
[880.06] Jack: They just make sure that they all go up on the same time.
[884.06] Stephen: Exactly.
[885.06] Stephen: Problem solved.
[889.06] Jack: They're not even isolated from each other.
[891.06] Jack: No.
[892.06] Jack: Job done.
[893.06] Tony: Job done.
[894.06] Stephen: Yeah.
[895.06] Stephen: I remember when I got that TX16.
[897.06] Stephen: My biggest problem was that just the weight of it was irritating me with the strap that it came with.
[903.06] Stephen: I ended up getting a big fat guitar strap and sitting on the sofa while I was watching TV
[908.06] Stephen: and customized the guitar strap to clip into the mount on the T16.
[915.06] Stephen: And even then, it was not super comfortable.
[920.06] Jack: I went out flying.
[924.06] Tony: No.
[925.06] Jack: No, why?
[927.06] Jack: Yeah.
[928.06] Jack: But I was doing some testing of stuff that I can't really show you too much on.
[942.06] Jack: Yeah, I know.
[943.06] Jack: We're testing antennas.
[945.06] Tony: We're testing drones.
[947.06] Tony: We're testing...
[948.06] Jack: I was testing batteries and stuff and this and that.
[952.06] Jack: Hang on.
[953.06] Jack: Let me see if...
[954.06] Jack: No, can't do that.
[955.06] Jack: No, it's got a photo in it.
[958.06] Jack: If I just do that...
[962.06] Stephen: There's a field on the phone and then there's just some white bits next to the field on the left.
[969.41] Jack: Yeah.
[970.41] Jack: Well, those white bits...
[971.41] Jack: I was in the mobile lab trailer and it was amazing.
[976.41] Jack: It was incredible being able to walk out of a trailer, fly and then go back in and adjust things on beat-a-fly.
[985.41] Jack: I didn't have to take anything apart, which is a shame, because I would have enjoyed that.
[990.41] Jack: But yeah, it was interesting.
[993.41] Jack: Are you allowed to say who's mobile lab urine?
[996.41] Jack: Oh, Digby Dan's.
[998.41] Jack: Is this the podcast studio on wheels?
[1001.41] Jack: Yes, yeah.
[1005.41] Jack: The only downside is the weird sample deposit tubes that are on the bench.
[1013.41] Jack: They're the only things that I didn't like that got in the way a bit.
[1017.41] Stephen: So what was the ratio?
[1019.41] Stephen: Now you had the options wide open.
[1021.41] Stephen: What was the optimal ratio you discovered of flying the quad versus tinkering with the quad?
[1031.41] Jack: It was easily...
[1033.41] Jack: I flew just slightly a bit more than tinkering.
[1036.41] Jack: Okay, okay.
[1037.41] Jack: But oh my god.
[1039.41] Frank: 52.48, is that what we're saying?
[1041.41] Jack: Sounds well.
[1043.41] Jack: I'm going to struggle not to go flying with a mobile lab.
[1048.41] Jack: Like, after that, it was like...
[1051.41] Jack: I was like, oh my god.
[1053.41] Jack: Like, flying any other way without this thing is like being a peasant.
[1059.41] Jack: It is...
[1060.41] Stephen: Can't fly unless I know there's a sharp disposal near me.
[1065.41] Jack: And the first aid kit, I mean, there was a fire extinguisher.
[1068.41] Jack: Not that they would have done anything.
[1071.41] Jack: The fires I like to create...
[1073.41] Jack: Where did you go?
[1075.41] Jack: We took it down the valley.
[1077.41] Stephen: Down that road.
[1079.41] Jack: Yeah, yeah.
[1080.41] Jack: I mean, it had like...
[1082.41] Jack: Strong words.
[1084.41] Jack: Yeah.
[1085.41] Jack: Calling it a road.
[1086.41] Jack: It had...
[1087.41] Jack: I hope the pile of cocaine didn't show on my...
[1092.41] Jack: It's a bicarb.
[1093.41] Jack: It's not cocaine.
[1096.41] Jack: Like, oh...
[1099.78] Stephen: So no bits fell off when you went down the big, bumpy stone road then.
[1103.78] Stephen: Because that would be the first thing I think of.
[1105.78] Stephen: You're going to get to the other end and be like, let's fly
[1107.78] Stephen: and discover most of the bits have fallen off the trailer.
[1111.78] Jack: The battery that powers and is connected to the inverter
[1115.78] Jack: that gives you like 230 volts, that didn't fare well.
[1122.78] Jack: It ripped itself from the floor of the trailer.
[1127.78] Frank: It wasn't rated for that many negative Gs.
[1131.78] Frank: Yeah.
[1132.78] Frank: Because it was coming back down.
[1133.78] Jack: It's like...
[1134.78] Jack: Yeah.
[1135.78] Jack: But yeah, we need to rent that for me and Tony to live in at the valley.
[1142.78] Jack: Me and Tony need to do a weekend of just...
[1145.78] Tony: I don't know if I could do a weekend with you anymore, Jack.
[1149.78] Jack: Me and Tony in the lab, like...
[1152.78] Tony: Have you got lab coats?
[1155.78] Jack: Get lab coats.
[1156.78] Jack: Let's do that then.
[1157.78] Tony: Actually, I could do a weekend with you at lab coats.
[1161.78] Jack: I'll talk to the farmer.
[1163.78] Jack: Maybe we could do a lab weekend.
[1168.78] Tony: I'd be up for that, actually.
[1170.78] Tony: I drove the Integra down there once.
[1173.78] Tony: Only once.
[1174.78] Tony: Don't ever.
[1175.78] Tony: About one mile an hour.
[1176.78] Tony: I was riding the clutch all the way.
[1179.78] Tony: Never again.
[1181.78] Tony: I think it has got worse in the past 10 years as well.
[1186.78] Tony: Yeah, I think it has got a bit worse.
[1189.78] Jack: Yeah, it's got so bad that they now drive on a different part that isn't the track.
[1196.78] Jack: They've eaten into the field space in order to not drive the track,
[1201.78] Jack: because the track has got so bad it's ruining their own equipment.
[1207.78] Jack: Wow.
[1208.78] Frank: If it's ruining farm equipment, that is quite the track.
[1213.78] Frank: Yeah, so...
[1215.78] Stephen: Balance D, you might say.
[1217.78] Frank: Caroline Tyler is in the chat saying that I will be impressed,
[1220.78] Frank: because she's been building a Bolsa glider.
[1223.78] Frank: I do have a Bolsa DLG kit.
[1228.78] Frank: It's kicking around in my build queue.
[1230.78] Frank: My queue of shame.
[1232.78] Frank: Pile of shame.
[1234.78] Stephen: Ask her if she gets a France.
[1237.78] Jack: You did say about the Kadex NDA scandal.
[1242.78] Jack: What's that about?
[1243.78] Jack: Does anyone know?
[1245.78] Jack: I don't know that one.
[1246.78] Frank: It's clearly under sufficient NDA that has not popped up in any of my feeds.
[1251.78] Frank: Yeah, I haven't.
[1252.78] Stephen: Any mention of like the scandal and FPV, I'm just churning out now.
[1257.78] Stephen: It's always just some depressingly repetitive BS.
[1262.78] Stephen: Sorry to be negative, but it's going to be the same as last time.
[1265.78] Stephen: Someone did a whoopsie, or let's make a big story about it.
[1269.78] Stephen: It's probably just linked to Kadex themselves trying to draft some marketing.
[1275.78] Stephen: We'll see.
[1276.78] Stephen: In the fullness of time, things will appear slowly and predictably.
[1281.78] Jack: It's not in the news topic contribution.
[1288.78] Jack: Sorry, I'm just waiting for your input.
[1291.78] Jack: Mads Text.
[1292.78] Jack: I'm not watching a Mads Text video.
[1296.78] Stephen: I'm not watching videos of people talking about other people's reactions to something.
[1300.78] Stephen: That's just, I'm done.
[1303.78] Tony: I watched an XJet video over in Moaning.
[1307.78] Jack: Oh yeah, every now and again.
[1309.78] Jack: What's he moaning about?
[1312.78] Tony: Is it a council again?
[1314.78] Tony: A sign on a plane, I think.
[1317.78] Tony: A certain sign from World War Two.
[1321.78] Stephen: Oh gosh.
[1323.78] Stephen: I find it impressive that we're aware of an old man complaining in council meetings
[1327.78] Stephen: on literally the other side of the planet.
[1329.78] Stephen: Yes.
[1330.78] Stephen: Isn't that one?
[1331.78] Tony: Yes.
[1332.78] Tony: You will get plans.
[1334.78] Tony: This video's not taken down for that.
[1337.78] Tony: Literally.
[1338.78] Jack: Well, for I've been...
[1340.78] Tony: You can't even say it Jack, don't you?
[1342.78] Tony: Our trailer will get taken away.
[1345.78] Tony: Has the video got that?
[1346.78] Tony: I don't even know.
[1347.78] Tony: It's taken off for sure.
[1348.78] Tony: It's got that bad that they did that, even though there's other...
[1351.78] Stephen: What, his interaction with the local council authority?
[1355.78] Tony: I don't think he is that one.
[1358.78] Jack: Very different kind of n-word.
[1362.78] Frank: There was a bit of Facebook drama recently,
[1365.78] Frank: which I won't go into the Facebook drama because it's not that exciting,
[1368.78] Frank: but there was a bit behind it.
[1369.78] Frank: It was a bit more interesting,
[1371.78] Frank: which is that the Shuttleworth Collection are doing some FPV drone racing this summer.
[1379.78] Frank: So if you don't know, the Shuttleworth Collection is this kind of...
[1385.78] Frank: Is it like a manor house and all sort of gardens
[1390.78] Frank: and also a little flying field, full scale flying field,
[1394.78] Frank: where they have really, really, really old aircraft,
[1398.78] Frank: like the sorts of aircraft that are barely aircraft.
[1401.78] Frank: I have seen them manage to not entirely clear the hedge.
[1405.78] Stephen: Is this one of these collections by crazy old men back in the historian times?
[1410.78] Stephen: Oh, yes.
[1411.78] Frank: And it has survived and it is a museum.
[1416.78] Frank: But they fly things there that can barely make it over the boundary head.
[1422.78] Frank: It'll just about carry the pilot's weight on a good day.
[1428.78] Stephen: You have to make sure you have a long bathroom break before you get in the cockpit
[1432.78] Stephen: to place your chance to take off.
[1435.78] Frank: Absolutely.
[1436.78] Frank: But they are good fun to watch.
[1439.78] Frank: But there's also a manned airfield anyway,
[1442.78] Frank: general aviation airfield.
[1444.78] Frank: But for decades, there has been this sort of...
[1449.78] Frank: I don't think it's quite a club,
[1450.78] Frank: but there's sort of regular model flying events at this location.
[1456.78] Frank: And a group of volunteers organized that have been putting it on for years.
[1460.78] Frank: But I've definitely heard from people that have been to that,
[1464.78] Frank: that it has diminished in popularity, I would say.
[1470.78] Frank: And it got to the point at the end of last year
[1472.78] Frank: where the Shuttleworth Collection said,
[1474.78] Frank: actually, we lose too much money in closing the airfield
[1479.78] Frank: to manned aircraft for your model flying events.
[1483.78] Frank: So we're not going to do that anymore.
[1486.78] Frank: So all the scale model flyers who really enjoyed those events
[1492.78] Frank: were a bit put out and a bit upset that they've lost their event,
[1495.78] Frank: which we've lost events before.
[1497.78] Frank: It is annoying.
[1499.78] Stephen: It's a fact of change in trends and fashions.
[1502.78] Frank: Yeah, absolutely.
[1504.78] Frank: And so...
[1506.78] Frank: But the Shuttleworth Collection do have their summer festival in July
[1513.78] Frank: where they hold a load of arts and crafts and model making
[1517.78] Frank: and all kinds of things as part of this summer fate.
[1520.78] Frank: So they keep the manned aircraft flying,
[1522.78] Frank: but they have a load of things on because they've got a big park
[1524.78] Frank: and gardens and all that kind of stuff.
[1526.78] Frank: So they do stuff in there.
[1528.78] Frank: And they invited the model aircraft flyers
[1532.78] Frank: to use one of these bits of this big park and grounds.
[1538.78] Frank: And the model flyers went and had a look and said,
[1541.78] Frank: there's nowhere we can do this safely with the manned aircraft still going.
[1546.78] Frank: So they've said no.
[1548.78] Frank: So somehow some drone flyers, some drone racers have been involved.
[1554.78] Frank: And so now there is some drone racing happening.
[1558.78] Stephen: Are you implying that it was a safety test?
[1561.78] Stephen: And the fixed wing guy said, no, no way.
[1563.78] Stephen: And the drone flyers sort of shuffled up and went, yeah, you're right, mate.
[1567.78] Frank: Well, I don't know who went to who, but I know the Shuttleworth Collection.
[1570.78] Frank: It's very important to them that they expand their demographic
[1574.78] Frank: and particularly include younger demographics
[1578.78] Frank: and also wanted to continue model flying in some form.
[1583.78] Frank: So I imagine they would have gone to perhaps the National Model Flying Association perhaps
[1590.78] Frank: and said, does anyone else want to use this space?
[1594.78] Frank: Your model fly, as I've said, is too small and too close to the manned flying for them.
[1600.78] Frank: But maybe someone else that you know could make use of it.
[1603.78] Frank: However it happens, there are some drone racing happening at this event.
[1611.78] Frank: And yeah, so this revelation may not have been introduced back to the scale model flyers
[1622.78] Frank: in the most diplomatic way.
[1627.78] Frank: So that was sort of the Facebook drama behind it.
[1630.78] Frank: But nevertheless, there are some of these going to fly.
[1636.78] Frank: Yes, so the Shuttleworth Summer Fate, July the 12th and 13th, Saturday and Sunday.
[1643.78] Frank: So there are 50 pilots, you know, there's 50 slots on their sign up.
[1650.78] Frank: 20 have been filled so fast.
[1652.78] Frank: There's 30 spaces available if anyone wants to go drone racing on July the 12th and 13th
[1660.78] Frank: in, I would say, quite an exciting place to go flying.
[1664.78] Frank: Where is that?
[1665.78] Frank: Unusual.
[1666.78] Frank: So that is near Bedford.
[1669.78] Frank: So sort of Milton Keynes way.
[1673.78] Frank: Bedford's the best place to sort of aim for.
[1676.78] Frank: That's the Shuttleworth Collection.
[1679.78] Frank: Old Warden is the name of the site.
[1682.78] Frank: That's the sexiest man alive, isn't it?
[1685.78] Frank: It is.
[1686.78] Frank: It is indeed.
[1688.78] Frank: Yeah, so I would highly recommend if anyone is available that weekend, you can go camping
[1695.78] Frank: at the Shuttleworth Collection and drone racing and all that kind of stuff.
[1698.78] Frank: If you go to IFPV, it is on there.
[1701.78] Frank: It is event 557 on IFPV.
[1706.78] Frank: There you go.
[1707.78] Frank: There's a link stuck in the chat.
[1710.78] Frank: I would highly recommend.
[1713.78] Frank: If you haven't been to the Shuttleworth Collection, it is interesting to go have a look at anyway.
[1719.78] Frank: There's all sorts of stuff around there.
[1721.78] Frank: And yeah, seeing some of the older aircraft barely fly is entertaining.
[1728.78] Jack: Tony has flashbikes of the time he went in that tiger moth and he's laying on the floor,
[1734.78] Jack: twitching and unable to race.
[1738.78] Frank: Oh yeah, compared to a tiger moth, to the aircraft at the Shuttleworth Collection, a
[1745.78] Frank: tiger moth is like the newest and best bit of technology.
[1750.78] Frank: It is advanced compared to all the stuff they fly.
[1755.78] Jack: So stuff from when Tony was born.
[1758.78] Tony: And you wonder why I don't know why they don't come on anymore.
[1763.78] Tony: I don't know.
[1774.78] Jack: Sackmaw.
[1777.78] Tony: Was that divorce come from yet?
[1780.78] Jack: I can't read.
[1783.78] Frank: If you eyes it.
[1813.78] Frank: Also this week I have been laser engraving some trophies for the Popham Model Show.
[1821.78] Frank: So it has been in September for a few years.
[1825.78] Frank: This year they're doing it in May.
[1827.78] Frank: So you might be thinking, we've just had a Popham Model Show.
[1831.78] Frank: We have.
[1832.78] Frank: But the next one is in like a week.
[1836.78] Frank: What?
[1838.78] Frank: Do we need to put time off for that?
[1840.78] Frank: It is May the 10th and 11th.
[1842.78] Frank: Is Chris G going to be there?
[1845.78] Frank: Well, that is a question.
[1848.78] Frank: You'll have to ask Chris G.
[1851.78] Frank: What is going on there then?
[1854.78] Frank: I can read you some information.
[1856.78] Frank: So FPV-wise at the Popham Model Show.
[1863.78] Frank: They've got this enormous marquee that they have for a few events.
[1868.78] Frank: And it isn't used entirely at the Popham Model Show as much as it is at some of the other Popham events.
[1874.78] Frank: So a lot of it gets handed over to tiny woofers.
[1878.78] Frank: So it's a big sort of tiny whoop.
[1883.78] Frank: Okay.
[1884.78] Frank: Tiny whoop, big top.
[1886.78] Stephen: That is what is in the transmission.
[1888.78] Stephen: That is logically how you get the biggest buy-in, I guess.
[1890.78] Stephen: Because it's much easier to transport and they tend to not explode quite as violently as the larger models.
[1896.78] Frank: Yes, so they do close one of the two manned runways and use that for models flying, the big-scale one flying.
[1906.78] Frank: But having the big marquee means that when British weather arrives, everyone piles into the marquee and gets attacked by whoops.
[1916.78] Frank: So that's entertaining.
[1918.78] Stephen: So Chris will be attending with his video trailer and video presentation equipment?
[1925.78] Frank: I do not know if Serb's involved in this one.
[1928.78] Frank: I don't think he's so keen on dealing with the Popham Model Show.
[1936.78] Frank: In general?
[1938.78] Frank: He wouldn't be the first person to have had to attend 15 different committee meetings to be given a response.
[1951.78] Frank: Nevertheless, if you're attending, you don't have to worry about any of that.
[1956.78] Frank: It is just a good fun time.
[1959.78] Frank: I would highly recommend.
[1962.78] Frank: Me and Jack and Chris G went last year.
[1966.78] Frank: We hung around with the FPVers.
[1968.78] Frank: We had to go with the drift cars, radio-controlled drift cars.
[1971.78] Frank: We put FPV on the drift cars.
[1973.78] Frank: That was entertaining.
[1976.78] Stephen: They had all sorts of weird hovercrafts when I popped along before.
[1980.78] Stephen: Was that Popham?
[1982.78] Stephen: Maybe.
[1984.78] Stephen: They had a fun fair set up next to the runway.
[1989.78] Jack: You could not get us off the drift cars.
[1994.78] Jack: We were there.
[1996.78] Jack: We were locked in and horrified at how much they paid for stuff.
[2001.78] Stephen: They're like one-tenth scale, the big guys.
[2005.78] Stephen: I've got a tiny little 126 or 124.
[2008.78] Stephen: That's a ton of fun.
[2010.78] Stephen: I think I've got an even tinier one.
[2014.13] Stephen: You can drift around the kitchen.
[2019.13] Stephen: Unfortunately, dogs try to chase it, but otherwise, lots of fun.
[2024.13] Stephen: Can confirm.
[2027.13] Frank: We all say both Jack and Chris G were flying their tricopters around.
[2036.41] Stephen: Is that an official slot?
[2038.41] Stephen: Is there a tricopter?
[2040.41] Frank: The tricopter appreciation society stand in the marquee.
[2044.41] Frank: Absolutely.
[2046.41] Jack: That's only real.
[2048.41] Jack: That's all you need.
[2050.41] Jack: Steven needs to make a tricopter.
[2052.41] Jack: Will you make a tricopter?
[2054.41] Stephen: Steven needs to just do normal flying.
[2056.41] Stephen: That's what Steven needs.
[2058.41] Stephen: To get some other crap off his plate.
[2061.41] Jack: I'd love nothing more than you to join the wonderful world of tricoptering.
[2067.41] Stephen: I quite enjoy just flying smoothly around without endlessly tuning stuff.
[2072.41] Stephen: It's nice when stuff has a decent chance of flying well to start with.
[2076.41] Jack: You don't tune a tricopter.
[2078.41] Jack: You just get it flying.
[2082.41] Jack: You know that it will not get any better.
[2085.41] Jack: You have to live with it and fight it and stay in the air.
[2090.41] Stephen: That's the kind of philosophy that used to have monks wandering around in itchy, hessian sacks and beating themselves of thrills.
[2098.41] Jack: It is.
[2099.41] Jack: You know, like in Tokyo Drift, you're not in control unless you're out of control.
[2105.41] Stephen: I think that was actually just a triclion for a movie and not something to aim for.
[2113.41] Stephen: You're not in control until you're out of control.
[2116.41] Stephen: That's not actually how you drive a car.
[2118.41] Stephen: You know that, right?
[2119.41] Stephen: If you're not in control, you're in a war.
[2125.41] Tony: Well, no coming.
[2127.41] Stephen: Join us.
[2128.41] Stephen: I still have the...
[2130.41] Stephen: Are you friends with walls, Tony?
[2132.41] Stephen: Oh, come on.
[2133.41] Frank: I still have the baby Troy to try and tail tune.
[2136.41] Frank: I haven't gotten around to that yet.
[2138.41] Jack: Yeah, it just spins around in a circle, doesn't it now?
[2142.41] Frank: Yeah, it's sort of, yeah, it's got a bit of an issue like that.
[2146.41] Frank: But generally, though, what is the flight controller of choice for triclopters now, Jack?
[2153.41] Frank: As the expert on such things?
[2156.41] Frank: String?
[2157.41] Frank: I don't know.
[2159.41] Tony: What nowadays?
[2160.41] Frank: I don't know.
[2162.41] Frank: Yeah, like...
[2163.41] Frank: If someone came in, you know, if someone in the chat was like,
[2166.41] Frank: I want to build a triclopter, how do they go about doing it?
[2170.41] Stephen: After they've attended the support group meetings.
[2172.41] Frank: Yeah.
[2173.41] Jack: I contacted David and David Vindestel.
[2184.41] Jack: And he...
[2186.41] Jack: I asked him, like, you know, what's going on with tri-fly and all that sort of stuff.
[2191.41] Jack: And DR Ronin, DRonin, DR Ron software.
[2198.41] Jack: And they had a Kikute build the last time I checked.
[2202.41] Jack: And that's when he officially released anything.
[2204.41] Jack: But then when I contacted David, he said, just put BeatFly on it.
[2209.41] Jack: BeatFly flies so good now.
[2211.41] Jack: Triclopters basically don't fly great.
[2215.41] Jack: So just put BeatFly on it.
[2218.41] Tony: I think the bigger, the better with a triclopter.
[2223.41] Tony: Big, slow and swooshy.
[2226.41] Tony: I don't know.
[2227.41] Tony: David, it's a few years ago.
[2231.41] Tony: Some of them are pretty good.
[2233.41] Jack: Yeah, I don't know, man.
[2235.41] Jack: A lot's moved on.
[2236.41] Jack: Like, you know, it's...
[2240.3] Jack: I mean, mine...
[2243.3] Jack: Yeah, I mean, a bigger triclopter is better.
[2247.3] Jack: You know, I mean, the mini that I built that I'd love to get back one day.
[2257.3] Jack: That was small, wasn't it?
[2259.3] Jack: Yeah, that did do the twitchy huntiness.
[2263.3] Tony: Yeah, because it's too small.
[2265.3] Tony: The bigger, the better.
[2266.3] Tony: I think with a big servo on the back, slow, don't have to go fast.
[2271.3] Stephen: At least you've got slow oscillations rather than fast oscillations, I suppose, right?
[2276.3] Jack: My only recommendation for it is whatever flight controller you buy,
[2283.3] Jack: make sure that it has LED support
[2287.3] Jack: so you can remap that pin well with the resolution for your servo, yeah.
[2297.3] Jack: Or get something that has like an S output, right?
[2301.3] Stephen: If you've got...
[2303.3] Stephen: You can use a regular...
[2305.3] Stephen: If you've got a flight controller with motor outputs,
[2308.3] Stephen: you get one of those or two servo, won't it?
[2311.3] Stephen: You just need a motor output.
[2313.3] Jack: Yeah, but it's to do with whether it can do an analog resolution output.
[2323.3] Stephen: Oh, right.
[2325.3] Stephen: I thought if you have motor outputs that are PWM capable, that would do a servo.
[2330.3] Stephen: Is it different?
[2331.3] Jack: Yeah, yeah. No, that's fine.
[2334.3] Stephen: I guess if you've got an all-in-one, you need like an extra pin, don't you?
[2338.3] Stephen: If you've got an AIO, for sure.
[2341.3] Tony: Who is the guy who used to watch on YouTube, who used to fly tricopters all the time?
[2348.3] Jack: David Winterstall.
[2350.3] Tony: Yeah, it was someone else, obviously.
[2352.3] Jack: Hang on, let me just...
[2354.3] Jack: Where is it?
[2356.3] Tony: Wycopter?
[2358.3] Tony: Was that someone?
[2360.3] Jack: Yeah, Wycopter.
[2362.3] Jack: He was the first guest on the LDO.
[2364.3] Tony: There you go.
[2366.3] Tony: There was more than one then, Jack.
[2368.3] Jack: Wycopter...
[2370.3] Jack: He was in...
[2372.3] Tony: Was he in this country or another country?
[2375.3] Jack: Yeah, he was.
[2377.3] Jack: But he ended up not flying anymore because the...
[2382.3] Jack: What was it? Was it the National Trust?
[2384.3] Jack: Oh, was it?
[2386.3] Tony: No drone flying ever.
[2388.3] Jack: It was, yeah.
[2389.3] Jack: Yeah, and you have to take down your videos and all that sort of stuff.
[2392.3] Jack: Eight years ago.
[2394.3] Jack: Seven years ago, it was his last video on YouTube.
[2397.3] Jack: But it's still up.
[2398.3] Jack: Yeah.
[2399.3] Jack: And we kind of...
[2400.3] Jack: The trouble is, as well, is that the forums that helped with all that stuff were run by David Winterstall
[2407.3] Jack: and they just archived.
[2409.3] Jack: So you can't actually, like, find these people to, like, Lucra or whatnot,
[2416.3] Jack: where you can, like, message them and be like,
[2418.3] Jack: what shall I use? What board?
[2421.3] Jack: You know, if I was going to get into it now, what should I use?
[2426.3] Jack: You know, there was, like, development for Lighttail Tune.
[2430.3] Jack: There was definitely something in the flight controller knowing the position of the servo.
[2437.3] Jack: Made it fly better.
[2442.3] Jack: You know, there's...
[2444.3] Jack: Yeah.
[2445.3] Frank: Like feedback from your ESCs, right?
[2451.9] Stephen: Yeah.
[2452.9] Stephen: I kind of expect rotor flight to be a bit useful then.
[2455.9] Stephen: Helicopter stuff.
[2456.9] Stephen: They put a bunch of effort into tuning tail rotors that might be applicable.
[2465.21] Stephen: They're dealing with servo tuning a lot.
[2470.77] Stephen: It's, you know, two axis as well.
[2472.77] Stephen: The main, what you call it, swash plate.
[2475.77] Jack: Yeah.
[2476.77] Jack: But will they hate tricopters because it's just, like, fly a real helicopter, you pussy.
[2481.77] Stephen: Yeah.
[2482.77] Stephen: I mean, there's no limit to the niches that we can subdivide ourselves into.
[2486.77] Stephen: I think we all realize that.
[2488.77] Stephen: We're all fully committed to ending up in a club of one person and hating everyone else.
[2495.77] Jack: What would you do if I built you a tricopter, Steven?
[2499.77] Jack: After or before I smashed it into the ground.
[2505.77] Jack: I'm interested in the whole process.
[2508.77] Stephen: I probably looked there.
[2509.77] Stephen: I saw several times increasing in volume.
[2514.77] Jack: Well, you get the class.
[2515.77] Stephen: I put my hands on my legs.
[2516.77] Stephen: I'd look at the ground.
[2517.77] Stephen: I'd look up again.
[2518.77] Stephen: I'd look at the horizon and contemplate the futility of life.
[2523.77] Stephen: I might make a cup of coffee and do some more thinking after that.
[2527.77] Jack: I relate no end.
[2530.77] Frank: What way would you do it, Jack?
[2531.77] Frank: Would you have like a very retro looking tricopter or would you try to make like the tricopter
[2536.77] Frank: of the future?
[2537.77] Frank: Which way would you do?
[2538.77] Frank: Would you do like it's made of like a mache and like bits of balsa and like wooden propellers
[2545.77] Frank: and like hide everything in like bits of canvas and dope?
[2549.77] Frank: Or would you have it all made out of like, I don't know, like molded carbon fiber stuff?
[2556.77] Frank: Which way would you go?
[2558.77] Jack: I'd go somewhere in between.
[2560.77] Jack: I'd get a carbon fiber plate cut that's like five mil thick all the way round.
[2567.77] Jack: Wow.
[2568.77] Tony: It's because I crashed all the time.
[2571.77] Stephen: Yeah.
[2572.77] Stephen: Maybe get some kind of rubber attachments to the end of the arms.
[2576.77] Jack: Yeah.
[2577.77] Jack: Go with the David Winterstall, like contact him and be like, you know, whatever.
[2584.77] Jack: Adjust the servo so that he can have a bluebird servo.
[2589.77] Jack: What's special about the bluebird servo?
[2592.77] Jack: And that's it.
[2593.77] Jack: What is this?
[2594.77] Frank: With the feedback.
[2595.77] Frank: Feedback servo.
[2596.77] Jack: No, no, no, no, it's a high quality servo.
[2599.77] Jack: But Frank is right.
[2600.77] Jack: You could have that.
[2601.77] Jack: But it's it's no more.
[2603.77] Jack: And I would probably put like a fancy servo from a heli, basically.
[2610.77] Frank: Well, you know, David Winterstall was selling the last of his feedback bluebirds at some
[2616.77] Frank: point.
[2617.77] Frank: Someone bought all the Israe stock, didn't they?
[2621.77] Frank: That would be I don't know who would buy all the remaining.
[2625.77] Stephen: They've been selling stock.
[2627.77] Stephen: Was that cackling involved, Jack?
[2630.77] Stephen: Just out of curiosity.
[2636.77] Tony: I'm glad I come back.
[2640.77] Tony: That was brilliant.
[2642.77] Stephen: Thanks.
[2643.77] Jack: Sorry, we're going to have to edit around that editor.
[2649.77] Jack: I wonder how he's going to deal with that.
[2653.77] Tony: I think just put it at the start of the bloody show.
[2659.77] Jack: I don't know.
[2660.77] Jack: I don't know.
[2661.77] Jack: I would make the only the only upgrade I would do is have it so that Stephen could run success.
[2670.77] Stephen: Yeah, I mean, that would be my only difference.
[2675.77] Stephen: I don't know, man.
[2676.77] Stephen: It's a nice idea, but honestly, I think it would be more fun to do like a Y6 than a
[2683.77] Stephen: tricopter in absolute terms.
[2688.77] Stephen: Where's the fun in that?
[2690.77] Stephen: I mean, it's just different, but you don't have to deal with like all the mechanical
[2695.77] Stephen: force being on a swivel joint when you're jamming and zooming.
[2700.77] Frank: I would actually quite like a Y6, like a really big, prop Y6 that folds to be nice and small.
[2708.77] Frank: I feel like you did an X4 or an X8, Jack, that was all folding arms.
[2715.77] Tony: We've not got that.
[2721.77] Tony: What did you do with that?
[2724.77] Stephen: I don't know.
[2725.77] Stephen: You still have the...
[2727.77] Frank: What secure mentality has that ended up in?
[2730.77] Stephen: Yeah.
[2731.77] Frank: Who took that away?
[2733.77] Stephen: It's a closely guarded hanger at Gatwick.
[2736.77] Jack: I thought you got the tricopter.
[2740.77] Jack: That's all I've got.
[2742.77] Frank: The link being wheeled down the aisle of this massive warehouse.
[2746.77] Frank: Top secret.
[2747.77] Stephen: I'm quite happy flying the little dinky ones, to be honest.
[2754.77] Stephen: After building some monsters, nothing particularly large, but I built a 10S 5-inch.
[2762.77] Stephen: I've got 8S 7-inch builds and stuff.
[2766.77] Stephen: They were kind of amusing, but a bit like meh.
[2769.77] Stephen: Oh, yeah, I can stay on the throttle a second longer before it starts to sag.
[2773.77] Stephen: Yeah.
[2774.77] Stephen: It's kind of more fun just to have a little somewhere between 2.5 and 3.5-inch
[2780.77] Stephen: that you can just fly absolutely anywhere.
[2782.77] Stephen: And the batteries are so light, you can just put a handful in your pocket and wander off down the park.
[2787.77] Stephen: You don't need a massive bag on you.
[2790.77] Tony: You can fly in the NEO, the TGI NEO.
[2794.77] Tony: That's not flying.
[2797.77] Jack: That's just...
[2798.77] Jack: That's like Instagram footage, isn't it?
[2800.77] Tony: No, you can fly it manually.
[2803.77] Stephen: Oh.
[2804.77] Stephen: Automated text machine.
[2805.77] Stephen: I thought that was the one that's designed to follow you and all that.
[2808.77] Tony: It is, but you can put goals on and fly it manually.
[2811.77] Stephen: Can you fly a rate?
[2813.77] Tony: Yes, you can.
[2815.77] Tony: Really?
[2816.77] Jack: Have you flown a rate?
[2818.77] Tony: No, because I haven't got goals that match it or a controller.
[2822.77] Tony: But I think they do a package now, which would be quite good.
[2828.77] Stephen: I've got a little dinky walk snell jobby that I think comes in at about 100 grams dry.
[2835.77] Stephen: And that's just a laugh to fly.
[2838.77] Stephen: As much as I'd like to build the big stuff,
[2842.77] Stephen: probably spent 10 times longer flying tiny little quads like that,
[2846.77] Stephen: because they're just so unobtrusive.
[2851.77] Jack: So when I did go fly, like Kiss V1 and Kiss V2,
[2857.77] Jack: I flew the Kiss V2 and I flashed it with the Alexander Return to Home
[2866.77] Jack: GPS.
[2869.77] Jack: And I tell you what, I was blown away.
[2872.77] Jack: Tony, there is an upgrade put off for you.
[2878.77] Tony: I don't like it when you upgrade me.
[2880.77] Tony: Things go wrong normally.
[2883.77] Jack: Or you end up with silly songs as your boot up.
[2886.77] Jack: I can't help it if you can't charge a battery properly.
[2892.77] Tony: Yeah, I don't think it was that.
[2895.77] Tony: I think it was you changing everything.
[2898.77] Tony: Oh, let's upgrade it, Tony.
[2901.77] Tony: No, Jack, I don't like upgrading.
[2903.77] Tony: It flies fine.
[2904.77] Tony: No, but give it here.
[2906.77] Tony: And then that's the end of that.
[2908.77] Stephen: You'll never see it again.
[2912.77] Jack: I can't win.
[2914.77] Jack: Well, Tony, that quad I have ensured has crossfire on there.
[2923.77] Tony: What you talking about?
[2925.77] Jack: The Kiss V2 that I've done the whole Return to Home in this.
[2932.77] Jack: Okay.
[2933.77] Jack: It runs 4S and has crossfire on there.
[2938.77] Jack: Excellent.
[2939.77] Jack: Yes, that's what I was thinking.
[2941.77] Jack: Other than it having analog video.
[2949.77] Stephen: You're not upgrading Tony's Tracer then.
[2952.77] Stephen: I've got a few spare Tracer modules if you want.
[2955.77] Stephen: You can upgrade to TBS's finest.
[2959.77] Jack: Would you actually?
[2961.77] Jack: No, you wouldn't do that.
[2962.77] Jack: He would not.
[2964.77] Jack: You need 30 of them.
[2965.77] Jack: He's got like 800 quads.
[2967.77] Stephen: Yeah, I mean, also it's kind of a joke because it was an absolute turd.
[2971.77] Stephen: And I think they're pretty much not selling it at this point.
[2974.77] Stephen: Are they not telling it?
[2976.77] Stephen: When was the last time you heard anyone talk about Tracer?
[2978.77] Jack: Yeah, that is a point.
[2982.77] Tony: Jack's just cancelling his order.
[2987.77] Frank: Sarah and Tyler says she heard about Tracer only last week.
[2992.77] Frank: Someone asking whatever happened to Tracer.
[2995.77] Frank: That's where we are now, yeah.
[2999.77] Stephen: We can dig out some.
[3002.77] Frank: We mentioned helicopters earlier.
[3006.77] Frank: We had in the Discord Flying Tortoise was asking about places or groups to go fly with others droning in Kent.
[3021.77] Frank: And I suggested EMHC, the Ainsford Model Helicopter Club.
[3026.77] Frank: Is that still going?
[3027.77] Frank: Yeah, absolutely.
[3029.77] Stephen: And they've got an FPV racing set.
[3033.77] Stephen: Yeah, still going.
[3035.77] Frank: And they have an open day this Sunday.
[3040.77] Frank: Very nice bunch.
[3042.77] Stephen: Very friendly.
[3043.77] Stephen: They've got a little spot out there, some gates and things.
[3046.77] Stephen: So you can have a little fly around for racing stuff.
[3049.77] Stephen: There's a light limit on some of the sites because there is a runway nearby.
[3054.77] Stephen: So it's a peculiar height limit.
[3056.77] Stephen: Well, the height limit on one side of the site is lower than the other side of the site.
[3060.77] Stephen: But I'm sure you'll be briefed thoroughly if you attend.
[3064.77] Tony: Yeah, I've been there when we were racing and we heard the plane coming in, landing or whatever.
[3069.77] Tony: So we'll just like dive to the floor and then this plane just swore straight above your head.
[3076.77] Stephen: You're pretty cool.
[3078.77] Stephen: Yeah, it's nice.
[3079.77] Stephen: Nice little place.
[3080.77] Stephen: There's a little hut out there and yeah, plenty of space.
[3083.77] Jack: That's all that we got time for.
[3086.77] Jack: Thank you to everyone who joined us in the chat.
[3089.77] Jack: Massive shout out to all our lovely Patreons who are scrolling by at the end.
[3094.77] Jack: You guys rule and without you, we wouldn't have a lovely edited show without me belching in response to Frank.
[3103.77] Jack: It was so vile that it has broken Frank's mic.
[3111.77] Jack: And that's about it, really.
[3114.77] Jack: If you've got any complaints, please feel free to email Brighton till I fly at gmail.com.
[3120.77] Jack: I'm sorry.
[3121.77] Jack: I know I'm the worst thing about this show.
[3124.77] Jack: I'm so mean and horrible to Tony.
[3127.77] Jack: I know.
[3128.77] Jack: I know the abuse.
[3130.77] Jack: I know I should be on some sort of list that I know.
[3133.77] Jack: I also know.
[3134.77] Jack: You already have several lists.
[3136.77] Jack: Let's not ask them all.
[3137.77] Jack: Yeah.
[3138.77] Jack: Yeah, I know.
[3139.77] Jack: We've been joined by our lord and master, Andrew Frank.
[3147.42] Stephen: Steven.
[3148.42] Stephen: Hello, everybody.
[3149.42] Stephen: Bye bye.
[3150.42] Stephen: Thank you.
[3151.42] Stephen: My darling wife.
[3152.42] Stephen: Bonjour.
[3153.42] Jack: I love you, Jack.
[3155.42] Jack: I love you too, dear.
[3157.42] Jack: And I'll be right until I fly.
[3162.42] Jack: Thank you.
[3163.42] Jack: Telemetry loss.