=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 510 ===
Title: LDO 510 - Don't mention the spider's web
Recorded: 2025-06-05
Hosts: Koel "Koala" Anderson, Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Andrew "Frank" Hyams, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 1,271
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUQgnrZH2aQ); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/2109338772-letsdroneout-ldo-510-dont-mention-the.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello, and you're listening to Let's Drone Out, a special thank you to our lovely patrons
[6.28] Jack: that help donate so that we can pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things
[11.36] Jack: we say.
[13.0] Jack: Massive thank you to…
[14.4] Jack: Carlos Campos!
[16.0] Jack: Art Faulkner.
[17.84] Frank: Sam Dahmer.
[19.68] Frank: On with the show.
[20.68] Jack: Hello and welcome, you're listening to Let's Drone Out, the night.
[58.54] Jack: We are joined by everyone's favorite, Curry Kitten.
[61.98] Jack: Hello!
[63.22] Jack: In the correct order.
[66.38] Jack: Our Lord of Master, Andrew Slash Frank.
[69.62] Jack: Hello.
[70.62] Jack: Which, I will warn you, if you listen to this show and we don't get a few more Patreons,
[77.22] Jack: he will be upping the Patreon amount because we are dire.
[83.54] Jack: We are…
[84.54] Jack: Back and not Frank, based on Frank's facial expressions.
[87.3] Frank: This is the use of the rest of this.
[89.34] Frank: Yeah.
[90.34] Jack: I don't know.
[91.34] Jack: I think we're fairly proud that we've, you know, we've been covering a very long time
[96.3] Jack: and we've never put the Patreon amount up.
[99.06] Jack: So if you do listen to this, please consider being a lovely Patreon, as we appreciate you
[106.22] Jack: guys.
[107.22] Jack: No end.
[108.22] Jack: And the lovely thumbnail creator himself, Nicole.
[113.14] Jack: Howdy.
[114.14] Jack: And I'm your usual idiot, bright til I fly.
[118.7] Jack: We have another guest, don't forget about this guest.
[122.46] Jack: And we got Kitty Cat, Chicken, whatever her name is.
[127.58] Jack: Yeah, literally, whatever her name is.
[130.26] Jack: She's loafing hard, but I do see some little socks poking out.
[135.46] Jack: So it can always be a better loaf.
[139.54] Frank: That's right.
[140.54] Frank: In Curry's background, you've got your little LED display showing the current weather.
[149.3] Curry: Showing the current weather of rain.
[151.5] Curry: It's not fun at all, is it?
[155.18] Curry: I'm here in Canada.
[156.9] Jack: We got rain here too.
[158.14] Jack: I thought about charging and I went…
[162.62] Koel: Wait, whoever.
[164.66] Curry: Let us know in the chat.
[168.66] Frank: Have you been out flying?
[169.9] Frank: Are you flying this weekend?
[172.1] Frank: Are you braving the weather?
[174.5] Frank: Let us know what it's like.
[176.5] Frank: In the meantime, out of us, who's been flying recently?
[182.1] Frank: We were talking before the show, Curry has not had a lot of success at flying.
[187.06] Jack: I went out flying with Dan and I had to redo the antenna holder.
[199.62] Jack: I tried to do something fancy with the seams.
[202.94] Jack: If you 3D print and you paint in seams, don't bother, it ruins the print.
[209.14] Jack: I have made this worse.
[210.62] Jack: It looks like Helen Keller done it with a piping bag.
[215.22] Jack: That's all I'll say.
[217.22] Jack: What were you trying to do?
[219.46] Jack: You were trying to fill the layer lines?
[225.14] Jack: The seam at the rear, to hide it rather than round the edges.
[230.58] Frank: It's printed, not like vase mode, but with a bit where it stops.
[237.46] Jack: Yes, it's just terrible.
[240.98] Jack: It bugs me so much, I might take this apart tonight and cut the VTX,
[247.38] Jack: unglue the antenna, thread a new…
[250.66] Jack: I've already done another print, which is lovely.
[254.18] Jack: I might put that on.
[256.42] Jack: Put a new harness because the OSD went out on me again,
[260.9] Jack: hoping it's not the OSD board, which that wasn't fun.
[266.26] Jack: But the beater flight quad, I had done a really vigorous punch out
[275.06] Jack: to the point where when I chopped the throttle, the noise took a while to stop.
[283.62] Jack: As it came to me, which is, I mean, I was still, obviously,
[290.58] Jack: below two meters or whatever, whatever the legal thing is.
[297.3] Jack: It's definitely two meters.
[300.18] Jack: I had a spotter that was competent-ish.
[306.98] Koel: That drone is less than 100 grams, right?
[310.18] Frank: Yes, this is…
[311.14] Frank: Yeah, it's coming out two milliwatts.
[314.02] Frank: Yeah.
[315.14] Koel: Five milliwatts, yeah.
[316.5] Koel: Yeah, that's good.
[318.02] Koel: As long as we cover a legal safety basis, we're following the rules, so it's fine.
[323.3] Jack: And the crossfire is definitely listen before talk
[327.46] Jack: because that's a thing that it definitely has.
[331.06] Jack: CE-85-868.
[334.74] Jack: Nice.
[336.18] Jack: Yeah, so yeah, I went out.
[340.02] Jack: I can't say I've done anything spectacular.
[343.38] Jack: I can play you a nice little loop that I did through the window,
[351.38] Jack: but I mean, who hasn't done that a million times at Hidden Valley?
[355.7] Jack: Go for it.
[356.82] Koel: Show it.
[357.3] Koel: Show it.
[358.58] Koel: Do it.
[359.14] Koel: It'll take a while.
[359.62] Koel: We rarely get to see jack clips.
[361.54] Koel: We got to milk it while we're done.
[363.94] Jack: Yeah, I've got to find it, man.
[365.86] Jack: That's how not interested I am.
[368.5] Frank: Magical pencil in the chat is suggesting that it was tethered like a kite.
[374.02] Frank: So you got to remember all these details.
[378.26] Koel: Yeah, well, while Jack is actually retrieving video footage,
[382.74] Koel: I have something to show, which feels like betrayal.
[391.79] Koel: It feels like pure betrayal, but I'm building a new drone.
[398.11] Koel: And this drone, oh wait, let me turn off this portrait thing in the jig.
[404.59] Koel: This drone is equipped with the evil.
[409.79] Koel: It's equipped with evil.
[414.03] Koel: But yeah, so I'm building my first digital build right now.
[417.47] Koel: It's getting there.
[419.55] Koel: Got video transmitter in, BTX is done.
[424.27] Koel: I mean, air unit or whatever, ESC motors are all wired up.
[430.99] Koel: I'm ready to put the flight controller on.
[432.35] Koel: I still have to actually this capacitor holder, this one,
[436.91] Koel: Jack printed for me and I had it sitting in my bin.
[439.31] Koel: Not my bin, but my parts container for quite a while.
[444.11] Koel: And it just so happened to be very handy for this build right now.
[446.75] Koel: I know they say it's better to put it like right at the XT-60, but
[450.67] Koel: there's not enough room and I'll make it relatively short leads.
[456.03] Koel: But yeah, I've got my crossfire.
[459.39] Koel: I got my 3D printer for the antenna and the GPS.
[461.95] Koel: I'm just waiting on a longer immortal T
[465.87] Koel: because I'm going to do diversity on this one.
[470.03] Koel: And it's going to be a no GoPro build.
[472.59] Koel: It's going to be just digital.
[476.75] Koel: Just try it out.
[478.43] Koel: So what is it?
[479.79] Curry: Is it the 04 Pro or something?
[482.19] Koel: Yeah, 04 Pro air unit.
[486.27] Koel: So it's got the camera there on the front.
[489.71] Koel: You probably can't see it, but yes, it's 04 Pro somewhere around there.
[493.47] Koel: And yeah, I keep seeing these videos online of people posting how good.
[499.79] Koel: Like there was just a post in the TBS group on Facebook.
[503.47] Koel: Some guy was flying and it was like 04 video.
[506.19] Koel: It looks more than capable compared to a GoPro for social media stuff.
[511.71] Koel: So I mean, my thought process on this is like, okay, no GoPro in the front.
[520.03] Koel: Big battery on the top sort of thing and
[526.91] Koel: cruiser diversity.
[529.95] Koel: These 04 Pros are rated to pretty good distance.
[532.67] Koel: So if I can get reasonable flight times with a bigger battery, no GoPro,
[537.55] Koel: like it maybe it balances off the weight from the GoPro.
[541.31] Koel: So yeah, it'd be interesting.
[544.67] Frank: Are you thinking LIPO or are you going to go with EMI on with it?
[548.67] Koel: Well, so here's the sort of interesting thing.
[551.55] Koel: For right now, the motors that I've put on here are actually just 4S motors.
[556.03] Koel: They're T hobby motors.
[560.27] Koel: Yes, and these are just my 4S motors that I had laying around kind of thing.
[570.35] Koel: And I do have a bunch of LIPOs, but they're not very big ones.
[574.27] Koel: But I do have one 3000 million power lithium ion, which I'm going to try out.
[579.71] Koel: But I am curious to see if I could put like a 2000 or maybe slightly bigger LIPO
[587.63] Koel: because there's enough frame real estate.
[590.91] Koel: If I put the top plate on, I could probably fit something that's decent size.
[600.27] Koel: Just kind of see what I can get.
[602.19] Koel: But honestly, it's just a fully an experiment.
[607.07] Koel: Sorry about the cats.
[610.35] Koel: Yeah, so honestly, it's like I love analog.
[614.59] Koel: There's anybody that knows me knows that I'm like a die hard analog guy.
[618.51] Koel: And I super trust it.
[620.91] Koel: But it's like, okay, with a new 04.
[624.35] Koel: It's like, if it's so good that you don't need a GoPro, why not try?
[629.07] Koel: Like I got the the cheapo, not cheapo, but the cheapest and three option,
[635.31] Koel: which are the big suckers.
[636.91] Koel: But it's basically the cheapest way you can get into like the best of the best in 2025.
[642.43] Koel: So that's kind of my thought process on it.
[644.43] Koel: Like I'm going to try out digital.
[646.11] Koel: I'm going to go all out except for the goggles because I'm not spending
[648.91] Koel: a thousand dollars on goggles because that's kind of crazy.
[653.47] Koel: But yeah, just trying it out.
[656.51] Koel: See what happens.
[657.63] Frank: Yeah.
[659.71] Frank: I asked about the lithium ions because it's particularly been
[664.19] Frank: after the model squadron guys flying with them.
[668.27] Frank: And there's Glenn there who has a big EDF and EDFs.
[674.11] Frank: Like, I mean, there was a lot of EDFs flying around.
[676.67] Frank: And so Glenn challenged all the guys with EDFs.
[680.51] Frank: Let's let's have an endurance challenge.
[686.19] Koel: Someone who is really ignorant.
[688.51] Koel: Can you explain what an EDF is?
[690.51] Frank: Sure.
[690.99] Frank: Electric inducted fan.
[692.43] Frank: So it's like a jet, but it's electric.
[697.07] Frank: Okay.
[697.71] Frank: And it's these are all like foamy jets.
[701.31] Frank: Okay.
[702.43] Frank: It's made of foam with electric motors in the tube in the middle of the plane.
[709.47] Frank: Works like a jet, but it's still electric as an EDF.
[713.47] Frank: So they're notoriously current hungry.
[719.39] Frank: They just like chew through batteries.
[721.55] Frank: So they had this endurance challenge and he hadn't told anyone else.
[726.03] Frank: He had a little trick up his sleeve.
[729.39] Frank: Whereas everyone else had like 3S, 4S, 6S lipos.
[735.23] Frank: He had a very, very nicest, chiniest, latest lithium ion cells that he'd built into this
[743.63] Frank: battery.
[743.95] Frank: So it's still only 4S, 1P, but it's like they were rated to like some ridiculous number of
[751.95] Frank: amps, like a hundred amps through these lithium ion cells.
[755.79] Frank: What?
[756.83] Frank: Yeah.
[756.99] Frank: That's crazy.
[757.55] Frank: I was like, can you point that out?
[759.95] Koel: Because I would literally.
[761.23] Frank: I do have some record of it somewhere.
[763.87] Frank: I will dig it out.
[766.43] Frank: Yeah.
[766.91] Frank: So everyone else.
[768.59] Jack: I'm sure a mutual friend of ours would want to know what cells they are.
[773.87] Frank: After like two or three minutes, all the EDFs are like, I'm going to have to land and I'm
[779.07] Frank: going to have to come in.
[780.19] Frank: And like 10 minutes later, he's still flying there.
[782.35] Frank: And everyone's like, what have you done?
[784.27] Koel: Wow.
[786.11] Koel: Well, you know what?
[787.07] Koel: Like from what I've been like seeing online.
[790.35] Koel: Yeah.
[790.99] Koel: Like lithium ion cells are just getting better and better and better.
[795.79] Koel: I remember when like the Molly.
[797.23] Koel: Oh, Andy, I see I got the goggles and three and three goggles, whatever.
[803.15] Koel: Big, some key box goggles.
[805.15] Koel: But from what I've seen, like the last time I looked into it, it was like the Molly cell
[811.79] Koel: P50Bs were like the latest and greatest, but also like very expensive and not very easy to get.
[817.79] Koel: But this was probably about a year ago.
[820.83] Koel: I'm not sure if they've become more readily available, but I also saw that there's some.
[826.19] Koel: What's this one brand?
[827.23] Koel: It's like EC3 or E3.
[831.47] Koel: There's ECE or something or E3.
[834.59] Koel: I forget what it is, but there was basically another one that was kind of rivaling the
[839.87] Koel: Molly cell P50B and it's rated to like 50, 60 amps or something like that.
[845.55] Koel: And EVE.
[848.43] Koel: EVE.
[848.99] Koel: Okay.
[849.15] Koel: That's what it is.
[849.63] Koel: I knew it was like some something along those lines.
[853.15] Koel: That is apparently a pretty great cell, but like nothing up to 100 amps.
[859.15] Koel: So like, I don't know what those ones are, but I hope that someone makes some pre-made packs for those.
[865.55] Frank: They're definitely not pre-made packs.
[867.15] Frank: These are like, he's done his research and being like, these are the cells that are going to do it.
[872.91] Frank: They were EVs and I'm trying to find which EVs they were.
[878.35] Frank: Yeah, that's the golden ticket, right?
[883.95] Frank: It's just like ridiculous current, very lightweight aluminum powers, a sort of vaguely magic battery.
[893.39] Koel: Well, that's the one thing.
[894.51] Koel: Like I only have like on my long range quad, I only have one LiPo.
[901.79] Koel: I only technically have like three batteries for that.
[904.43] Koel: Two are lithium ion and one is a LiPo.
[906.91] Koel: Like a high volt.
[908.27] Koel: And man, I really trust flying that thing with the lithium ion.
[913.63] Koel: I mean, any battery, I trust it, but like, you don't have to worry about, oh,
[918.19] Koel: three point, whatever, you know, gotta start coming in.
[921.31] Koel: It's like with lithium ions, man, you're like, they just keep going.
[926.19] Koel: They just keep going and you almost like, you don't want to push it,
[929.63] Koel: but you know that you kind of can in a way, as long as they're not like, you know, junk cells.
[934.19] Koel: But yeah, I've learned to trust them like crazy.
[940.11] Frank: I've dug out the details.
[942.59] Frank: It was EVE INR 21700.
[947.71] Frank: So rather than 18650, it's 21700.
[950.75] Frank: So slightly bigger.
[952.91] Frank: And they've got a continuous discharge rating of 70 amps.
[956.03] Frank: And I believe from memory, it was a peak of 100 amps.
[960.83] Koel: Wow.
[962.43] Koel: So it's the INR 21700.
[965.31] Koel: That's it.
[965.87] Koel: Yeah.
[967.23] Koel: Interesting.
[968.35] Koel: Because I was looking on, what was it?
[971.39] Koel: 18650battery.com or whatever that website is.
[975.31] Koel: 18650 battery store.
[977.55] Koel: And I don't know if you guys ever use that.
[979.55] Koel: I think it might be maybe an American type of store or I don't exactly know.
[984.43] Koel: But where is it now?
[986.27] Koel: Yeah.
[987.15] Jack: Could you message that to me, Frank, please?
[990.67] Frank: I will stick a link to what I found in the chat.
[994.67] Jack: I think that's probably the thing to do, right?
[997.63] Jack: I'm well excited for that.
[1000.19] Koel: Yeah.
[1001.31] Koel: Oh, I see it.
[1002.03] Koel: It's called the EVE 40PL, 21700, 4000 mAh, 70 amps.
[1008.51] Frank: That's the one.
[1010.11] Koel: Wow.
[1011.71] Koel: Yeah.
[1013.63] Koel: There's a, I mean, this is the 18650 battery store link.
[1016.03] Koel: I don't know if that's good for you UK guys,
[1017.79] Koel: but that's impressive, man.
[1020.03] Koel: Like you could actually freestyle with that probably.
[1024.03] Koel: But I mean.
[1025.71] Curry: I found it in the UK.
[1026.99] Curry: Fox start batteries.
[1028.03] Curry: A599 a cell.
[1031.15] Curry: Pretty cheap.
[1032.11] Koel: That's, if you build it yourself, I mean, that's really cheap.
[1035.79] Koel: Because I was buying a 6S pre-made pack from like the O-line or some people call them Gold Line.
[1042.03] Koel: But I was like 100 Canadian for like one 6S pack,
[1047.23] Koel: which is I guess maybe 100 CAD to UK is like 55 pound.
[1052.75] Koel: But that's quite a bit for a single battery, is it not?
[1056.03] Curry: Yeah.
[1056.51] Curry: Can't be.
[1056.99] Curry: It depends how big.
[1058.43] Koel: Yeah.
[1058.91] Curry: I think the 4000 mAh, 6S, one cycle for about 70 quid of pace.
[1069.63] Koel: Oh, wow.
[1070.27] Koel: Okay.
[1070.75] Koel: Yeah.
[1073.62] Koel: Yeah.
[1073.78] Koel: No, it's exciting though.
[1074.58] Koel: It's cool to see how the technology is like advancing.
[1077.7] Koel: I mean, for like I'm seeing them here for like $8 a pop.
[1082.98] Koel: You know, like $50 US-ish, give or take.
[1086.9] Koel: Obviously, you have to buy some supplies and build it yourself and have the know-how.
[1089.94] Koel: But that's pretty awesome.
[1093.22] Jack: Yeah, that is the main effort, isn't it?
[1095.38] Jack: The little fish paper, the bits of plastic that isolate each cell from each other so they don't
[1103.78] Jack: overheat.
[1105.22] Jack: The what's it called?
[1107.62] Koel: Spot welding.
[1108.66] Koel: Spot welding.
[1109.78] Koel: And I mean, I've seen people do them with just like solder them on.
[1116.42] Koel: And they've had perfectly fine turnout.
[1120.26] Koel: But I mean, if there's anybody in Canada that is competent at making a battery,
[1129.54] Koel: let me know because I will give you money to help me with batteries.
[1135.14] Koel: Yeah, I don't think I'm a little scared.
[1138.18] Koel: I'm a little too scared to do it myself, but I'm sure it's not that difficult.
[1142.26] Jack: I don't know.
[1142.66] Jack: Maybe if you get your ass over it, we can kind of go through it.
[1147.54] Jack: Yeah, I mean, I'm coming there in August, so.
[1151.7] Jack: Yeah, it's just I don't own a spot welder.
[1156.18] Jack: So it's getting that and the supplies.
[1159.7] Jack: That's your only thing.
[1160.9] Jack: But if you can get that stuff, then, you know, I'm more than happy to go through it with you.
[1167.22] Jack: 68 grams per cell.
[1169.54] Koel: Yeah, 68 grams.
[1170.9] Jack: So I mean, for that, I guess your birthday on Saturday.
[1176.74] Jack: Happy birthday.
[1178.02] Jack: Oh, nice.
[1180.96] Koel: Yeah.
[1181.12] Koel: So if you're doing a four cell, you're looking at 272 grams, roughly.
[1184.96] Koel: Well, probably a bit more because of the other materials you'd have to use.
[1187.52] Koel: But and then six success, you're looking at four hundred and eight.
[1192.24] Koel: So probably closer to four twenty ish.
[1197.6] Koel: Yeah.
[1198.24] Koel: I mean, for a four thousand milliamp hour with lithium ion and that current rating.
[1207.2] Koel: Yeah, that's cool.
[1210.24] Koel: Yeah, it's really strange that with lithium ion packs that
[1214.88] Koel: like companies do make them.
[1216.8] Koel: Have you guys ever heard of dark lithium before?
[1220.56] Koel: No.
[1223.44] Koel: Well, I think that the actual brand is called like the company is called Upgrade Energy.
[1228.56] Koel: It's an American brand, I think, out of California, if I'm not mistaken,
[1232.48] Koel: they make these like branded dark lithium lithium ion cells and they're using like,
[1239.04] Koel: you know, top of the line cell like Molly cell P45B, P50D and stuff like that.
[1244.08] Koel: But they are not cheap at all.
[1246.08] Koel: Like they're at least the last time I looked into them, they were not cheap.
[1250.96] Koel: So it's.
[1253.28] Koel: Yeah.
[1253.6] Koel: Oh, Jack, you got your clip up.
[1255.92] Jack: Yeah.
[1257.04] Jack: I can't show you the beginning of this reasons.
[1261.36] Jack: Why not?
[1263.84] Jack: I'll show you.
[1264.4] Jack: I'll show you guys after if once we can.
[1267.92] Frank: Special episode.
[1269.04] Jack: Yeah, Patreon special.
[1270.32] Jack: Maybe we got the lab.
[1271.76] Jack: We're chilling with the lab.
[1273.52] Jack: Man, GoPro session looks so good.
[1277.44] Jack: Yeah, so good.
[1279.12] Jack: I haven't configured the ESEs to the KV, but that was kind of my best little.
[1285.92] Jack: There's a little bit of wibblies there, so I need to sit there and adjust all my settings.
[1294.0] Jack: But there we are.
[1294.88] Jack: Little picnic table, me and Dan chilling.
[1298.48] Jack: And yeah, we've got the old.
[1301.92] Jack: The old lab.
[1303.04] Jack: We're not.
[1305.28] Jack: It's good.
[1305.84] Jack: It's pretty chill.
[1307.6] Jack: That's nice, man.
[1309.2] Jack: Yeah, we.
[1312.83] Jack: And that's all I'm going to play.
[1317.31] Koel: What do you mean?
[1318.35] Koel: You only punch to 119 meters.
[1324.03] Koel: I don't know what you're on about.
[1327.79] Koel: It's a distorted GoPro lens, man.
[1330.43] Koel: Like things in here are not as big as they appear.
[1335.71] Koel: Like my wiener.
[1339.95] Curry: And now he's gone to somewhere.
[1344.35] Curry: Yeah, I see FX mode is mentioned a bit of well, not perhaps the best publicity for
[1351.95] Curry: our new pilot, as it was featured very prominently in the Ukrainian very interesting operation
[1359.31] Curry: to bomb targets in Russia, mostly mostly with fail safe right across the front of it as well.
[1368.27] Curry: I was fascinated from just sort of a technical point of view,
[1372.91] Curry: how they were being flown and where from.
[1376.83] Curry: Because it seemed like they were being piloted.
[1379.63] Curry: Is that what we're thinking?
[1381.07] Curry: Because they were they were going very carefully trying to pick their targets so they could.
[1385.31] Jack: Both me and Frank cannot talk about this.
[1392.43] Curry: We have discovered two of the pilots.
[1395.23] Curry: Please stop talking.
[1398.03] Curry: Apparently I can say no more.
[1400.11] Curry: It was in the news.
[1400.99] Curry: It's a news topic.
[1402.27] Curry: It's a news topic.
[1403.31] Frank: Yeah, yeah, related news topic.
[1406.99] Frank: For the regulars at Western Park, you'll be familiar with the drone racing at Western Park.
[1418.99] Frank: I mean, it started off as sort of a subset of the heli-fest part of Western Park,
[1424.51] Frank: and then is sort of spun out to its own thing as well.
[1428.11] Frank: I think it might still be.
[1429.71] Frank: I mean, Western Park is a very complicated animal.
[1434.11] Frank: It's a weird organism that I dare not try to understand fully.
[1439.31] Frank: But it's been racing there for, what, 10 years?
[1445.55] Frank: And this year, it is not being run by the BDRA.
[1453.87] Frank: It is being run by the, what is it, B-A-D-S-A.
[1465.47] Frank: Different acronym, which is the British Army Drone Sports Association.
[1471.23] Frank: Whoa.
[1471.63] Jack: Is that with ease?
[1474.75] Jack: Has he got anything to do with it?
[1477.39] Frank: I don't know.
[1478.35] Frank: This is the limit of my knowledge, pretty much.
[1485.07] Koel: British military drone racing?
[1487.47] Koel: Is that related?
[1491.31] Frank: I don't think so.
[1493.07] Frank: I mean, we'll have to dig around and find out who's exactly involved.
[1498.83] Frank: I mean, I will be going to Western Park somewhere.
[1503.39] Frank: I'll dig around and find.
[1504.75] Frank: Clive in the chat says, yes, Carl Easy, yes.
[1507.79] Jack: Yeah.
[1508.35] Jack: If anyone sees him, tell him that he, Jack says jokingly that you are now classed as compromised
[1520.99] Jack: because you're fraternizing with the enemy.
[1525.55] Koel: Legal notice.
[1527.07] Koel: That's a joke.
[1530.11] Jack: And hopefully he'll understand.
[1531.87] Jack: He'll go, oh yeah.
[1535.47] Jack: Sighs.
[1536.03] Jack: Hopefully you'll find that funny.
[1537.79] Jack: Or I'll get a phone call and be like, you're brave.
[1543.31] Frank: But yeah, so if anyone is wanting to race at Western,
[1548.27] Frank: you won't be signing up on IFPV as per normal drone racing in the UK.
[1554.03] Frank: You will be signing up through the Google form and then being invited into the fold
[1562.75] Frank: of the British Army Drone Sports Association's event organizing structure.
[1569.23] Frank: So sort of a slightly unexpected turn of events, I guess.
[1578.19] Curry: It does sound slightly like it's a recruitment thing.
[1580.51] Curry: If you're particularly good, we'll take you and have you fly drones and bloke people up.
[1585.47] Curry: No comment.
[1587.31] Curry: Yeah.
[1591.94] Frank: Yeah.
[1592.5] Frank: So if anyone else is coming to Western Park on the Saturday, I will be there on the Saturday.
[1601.94] Frank: I believe painless will be there on the Friday.
[1606.66] Frank: I don't know if anyone else is going.
[1609.94] Frank: If you know anyone else is going, let me know.
[1612.82] Frank: I would be interested to meet up with anyone who is there.
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[1642.34] Frank: On the topic of events, FPV Drone Fest today put an announcement out on their Discord,
[1651.78] Frank: confirming that they've got all the paperwork in place to be able to fly where they want to fly.
[1658.26] Frank: And so they will be announcing more stuff shortly in terms of tickets and all of that kind of stuff.
[1666.9] Frank: So keep an eye on that if you're interested in going to that event.
[1672.42] Frank: 8th to 10th of August in Dover, which we are hoping to be at, aren't we Carl?
[1681.94] Koel: Yeah, yeah, if we can make that work. I got to see if I can still come up
[1685.7] Koel: before there's something going on with Dorothy. But I think that should that should work out. I
[1692.82] Jack: cannot confirm nor deny yet, but I love it. Are you importing my friend without my knowledge?
[1701.54] Jack: I just I know if I can confirm nor deny. I'm not territorial, but I had to deal with that way
[1708.82] Jack: before and hear you. I solely glass cold as some sort of pair of poppity. I don't know.
[1717.54] Koel: Jack thinks he owns me.
[1720.58] Jack: I am infuriated by this. Frank, I trusted you. You were the best thing that happened to Eldia.
[1731.14] Koel: Jack Jack Jack's not in the in the cool club. Sorry, buddy.
[1734.02] Jack: I know, yeah, I know. I bring him. He's like, I can't talk to you. I'm talking to Frank. I'm like,
[1741.38] Koel: what is this? What would you have preferred? I lied. I'm talking to someone.
[1751.86] Jack: It's not you. It's the other FPV pilots behind mine and Dorothy's back.
[1757.94] Koel: Jack, you're just jealous. Tony's not around and now you're lonely and you need me.
[1763.38] Jack: Where is Tony? He's back. Sooner or later, it'll just be me and Doro left.
[1769.22] Jack: We'll just have like little pictures of you. Yeah, hopefully not. Hopefully not.
[1777.3] Jack: I can't believe Curry. I ask you. Nothing is safe. My wary is Frank is basically
[1786.02] Curry: some sort of sex trafficking colon.
[1792.42] Jack: You just know, it's not everything. It's not nailed down.
[1797.7] Koel: It's all consensual. It's fine.
[1801.86] Jack: You better have the right visa.
[1805.38] Koel: I'm part of the Commonwealth. I got to pay five bucks or something to get in.
[1808.34] Jack: Oh, yeah, that is bullshit. When you do come, I'll reimburse you for that.
[1816.1] Jack: Every member of LDO was just put in a pound and then cover the cards.
[1822.98] Jack: If you could just join the Patreon for a month and help pay Cole's import fee.
[1833.86] Frank: Cole's import duty, yeah.
[1835.86] Jack: If the queen was still alive, she'd be spinning in her grave.
[1839.86] Koel: What? That doesn't quite make sense.
[1842.66] Koel: Spinning? Is there room?
[1847.22] Jack: Yeah, she'll be able to turn over herself. She certainly suffocates.
[1853.14] Frank: Do you want another bit of vaguely drone related news?
[1859.82] Frank: Yeah, I think we need it. Go.
[1861.5] Frank: Yeah. So,
[1864.78] Frank: it's been more cheesy than Curry's.
[1866.38] Frank: Amazon, after 20 years of saying that they're going to have drone deliveries in the UK,
[1876.22] Frank: some way down the process of getting permission to fly drones and do drone deliveries in the UK.
[1884.54] Frank: This is going to be up in the Darlington area. They have got sort of halfway through the process
[1893.9] Frank: of getting a TRA, which I can't remember what it stands for. What is it?
[1906.3] Koel: A teaching regulation agency?
[1909.1] Frank: No, I can't remember. It's basically like a high risk area where other things have to
[1915.66] Frank: not go a lot of the time.
[1918.86] Frank: Oh, a temporary reserved area.
[1921.34] Frank: That sounds like it.
[1923.34] Jack: There we go.
[1924.38] Jack: And he doesn't know that EDF doesn't stand for Electronics Dance Festival.
[1932.37] Koel: I thought it was erectile difficulty function.
[1938.77] Frank: Sorry.
[1940.29] Frank: Wow.
[1943.57] Jack: I'd like to point out he was my friend first, Frank.
[1948.37] Jack: I already wrote him off.
[1951.01] Jack: Territorial. Territorial.
[1952.85] Jack: He's got the fairway's.
[1954.13] Jack: I am pissing you quarters right now.
[1956.37] Frank: Deeply jealous human being.
[1962.14] Jack: You're not invaded.
[1964.06] Jack: You're not invaded, Jack.
[1965.74] Jack: I know.
[1966.78] Jack: Don't worry, I'm not invited to most things.
[1970.06] Frank: Frank.
[1973.26] Frank: You're usually invited. You just don't leave the house. That's the problem.
[1977.9] Jack: Yeah, I know.
[1979.74] Jack: We need to get a commode.
[1983.42] Frank: Yeah.
[1985.02] Frank: So Amazon are hoping to actually fly a drone in the UK to do a drone delivery
[1991.82] Frank: around the Darlington area at some point in the future using their Mark 30 drones,
[1998.06] Frank: which apparently they use in the US somewhere.
[2000.78] Frank: But I have a picture of one.
[2003.42] Frank: If you would like to see a picture of one, it looks.
[2005.74] Curry: Yeah, with all the propellers.
[2008.7] Frank: It has six.
[2011.74] Frank: How do you say?
[2013.18] Koel: The Darlington area, that's fairly north-ish, right?
[2017.58] Frank: Yeah, well, that's the bit of the UK where there isn't a million airports and things going on.
[2025.5] Frank: That's smart.
[2027.1] Curry: It'd be very interesting to know what sort of house would qualify for a drone delivery,
[2032.14] Curry: because one of the things us people in the UK don't have much of is land or an area at all.
[2041.42] Curry: Outside of our house.
[2043.98] Curry: To be fair, the current Amazon delivery driver just chucks it in the general direction of my
[2048.62] Curry: house, and says that's signed for, apparently.
[2051.82] Curry: I don't know if these are just going to drop them somewhere, but I can't think of many places
[2057.9] Curry: that aren't out of regular price ranges where you've got enough garden space for something to
[2064.38] Curry: carefully descend or lower something on a rope that's not potentially going to hit somebody
[2069.98] Curry: or a car or land on the house and stuff like that.
[2073.34] Curry: Or just immediately get nicked.
[2076.3] Curry: Yeah, the old, like, I need some drone parts.
[2079.18] Curry: Let's order something from Amazon and just stand there with a baseball bat as it comes around.
[2085.34] Jack: Half-axis is here.
[2086.54] Jack: Hello.
[2088.7] Frank: Yeah, so, I mean, they've been saying they'll be doing that for ages,
[2092.46] Frank: and, you know, they're still saying they're going to be doing that,
[2095.34] Frank: but they've at least engaged with the CEA on actually getting some permission to do it.
[2101.34] Frank: So they have progressed in the past 20 years.
[2104.78] Frank: We'll see.
[2107.78] Curry: It's better than nothing.
[2109.86] Curry: To be fair, they're doing better than recreational flyers,
[2112.58] Curry: who are just getting stuff taken away.
[2115.38] Curry: So they're at least getting stuff.
[2119.54] Frank: Yeah, they're moving towards being allowed things
[2122.74] Frank: rather than being restricted ever further.
[2125.7] Frank: That is true.
[2127.3] Frank: Carl, I've got some news for you.
[2129.78] Jack: Oh, what is this?
[2131.78] Koel: What is this news?
[2133.22] Koel: Look at this.
[2135.22] Koel: I can lift it with one hand.
[2139.94] Koel: So how much did you take out of it?
[2142.58] Koel: Everything.
[2145.54] Koel: Thank you.
[2145.78] Jack: There is nothing here.
[2148.66] Jack: I now am a proud owner of an ethics bag.
[2152.18] Jack: Oh, really?
[2153.3] Jack: Admittedly, it is way smaller and lighter,
[2158.1] Jack: and I can just about lift it.
[2159.86] Jack: I don't know if it's a color in the ethics logo.
[2163.54] Jack: It's not that big, and that would involve putting in some effort.
[2168.5] Jack: But when did you get that?
[2171.46] Jack: I got it today.
[2173.3] Jack: What?
[2173.78] Jack: It's just continued.
[2175.86] Jack: No, I bought it off someone from drunk drunk guards.
[2179.94] Jack: It looks basically virtually brand new.
[2183.7] Jack: And yeah.
[2185.62] Curry: It's a think tank backpack.
[2188.1] Curry: Yeah.
[2188.66] Curry: So you do realize that one of the reasons it's lighter
[2193.46] Curry: is because it's smaller.
[2197.14] Curry: I just want to check this because you may not be able
[2199.3] Curry: to fit all the stuff in there you previously had.
[2203.22] Koel: They make like photography stuff, if I'm not mistaken.
[2206.26] Koel: Are they not a Canadian brand?
[2209.94] Koel: I think they are.
[2212.34] Koel: Sorry.
[2213.22] Koel: Interrupted.
[2214.02] Jack: Yeah.
[2216.58] Jack: The only downside is that there's not compartments in there.
[2220.58] Jack: That's the only thing that terrifies me because I think,
[2225.3] Jack: I can't look in it and go, there's an empty compartment.
[2228.9] Jack: A transmitter should go in there, which slightly terrifies me
[2233.54] Jack: because they kind of use this system where you're meant to fill it
[2237.06] Jack: with hard places or by the ethics transmitter case or some bullshit.
[2248.02] Jack: So I've got the lipo safe bag at the bottom of there.
[2251.38] Jack: I've managed to put everything in there.
[2253.7] Jack: I've got like half of my tool kit in the Game Boy pouch thing
[2258.34] Jack: that Cole sent me, which I love to pitch.
[2260.9] Jack: What are they saying?
[2262.82] Jack: What are they doing?
[2264.1] Jack: It's like a Game Boy pencil case.
[2267.22] Jack: Oh, yeah.
[2267.78] Jack: I got that for you in Taiwan.
[2269.3] Jack: Yeah.
[2269.94] Jack: The only downside of that is when you catch the reflective screen,
[2274.34] Jack: the direct sunlight, I can't see for the next 10 minutes.
[2279.3] Jack: It blinds the out of me.
[2284.1] Koel: It's basically like a laptop slash photography backpack
[2287.86] Koel: repurposed with FPV.
[2291.3] Jack: And the straps to hold your quads are way better.
[2295.14] Jack: It actually makes sense.
[2297.94] Jack: So a friend of mine is having the old Torval bag.
[2303.06] Jack: If they let me down, it will be going cheap.
[2307.62] Koel: Well, and apparently that one that you have is discontinued now,
[2311.62] Koel: but a new version coming soon, according to TBS website.
[2316.18] Jack: Yeah.
[2317.14] Jack: It's just so it's great.
[2321.54] Jack: It's I have thoroughly enjoyed that bag.
[2325.54] Jack: You know, I love the compartment.
[2328.34] Jack: I like how organized it makes you.
[2330.9] Jack: I love how many pockets it's got.
[2333.14] Jack: It's just so padded and so heavy.
[2338.26] Jack: It's too well made.
[2342.02] Koel: I find that to be a problem, though.
[2344.66] Koel: If I'm going to go flying, I want to have the lightest,
[2349.3] Koel: most simplest set up as possible.
[2352.34] Koel: Having something that's like 50 pounds on my back with everything you could,
[2356.18] Koel: you know, ever need is just so counterproductive to how I want to fly.
[2361.46] Koel: And I'm not going to go walking on like an ancient
[2366.26] Koel: like tribal path in the mountains where there's no Wi-Fi and like
[2370.18] Koel: have to like go crazy with like 50, 60 pounds on my back like that.
[2374.82] Koel: I don't know how the FPV guys bring so much with them, man.
[2378.66] Koel: It's crazy is just you're just like you're asking to hurt your back
[2383.78] Koel: or your arms just for the sake of having fun.
[2386.74] Koel: It's like that doesn't sound fun to me.
[2391.06] Koel: That's just my opinion.
[2393.38] Koel: I know people like to be prepared and like they like to have all their spares
[2396.26] Koel: and whatever, but, you know, and tools and whatever.
[2399.22] Frank: But for me, it's like his entire workshop site.
[2403.78] Koel: Yeah.
[2405.54] Koel: I try to like I bring a Vans backpack and like I might have like a little like
[2409.7] Koel: tote that I try to put things in.
[2411.38] Koel: But yeah, anything that's more than, you know, and ish pounds,
[2419.62] Koel: I don't want to be lugging stuff around and in crazy environments.
[2424.42] Jack: When you make, you know, like make a journey and go real far
[2430.18] Jack: and then something doesn't work and you're like, damn it.
[2434.74] Jack: I mean, I have fixed, you know,
[2438.02] Jack: I soldered someone's motor wire on to their ESC just using a lighter.
[2446.34] Jack: No way.
[2447.62] Jack: Yeah.
[2448.1] Jack: Wow.
[2448.5] Jack: It worked.
[2450.58] Koel: That's crazy.
[2451.54] Jack: That was at the weird quarry, like not quarry place.
[2457.86] Jack: Do you remember?
[2458.66] Jack: Like it was some sort of like posh place at the golf club with a quarry nearby it.
[2467.34] Jack: Do I know what I've known it?
[2469.18] Jack: No, I think Frank was there.
[2471.58] Jack: It was like back in the early days and someone broke that
[2475.98] Jack: when they were like asking for a soldering iron and I.
[2482.06] Koel: Yeah.
[2484.38] Koel: Curry, when you go out to fly, you don't bring a like a big rucksack full of stuff,
[2489.82] Koel: do you?
[2490.14] Koel: Like it seems like you keep things kind of like when I watch your videos.
[2494.3] Curry: No, I pretty much take a rucksack full of stuff
[2497.58] Curry: because most of the time I'm trying to combine doing like several bits of filming.
[2502.38] Curry: So this might include several quads and a plane and stuff.
[2506.3] Curry: But this week I've done kind of the opposite.
[2509.34] Curry: So I'm trying to find how I can pack like a quad into a regular backpack for when I go out.
[2515.18] Curry: So this is what I bought for my little quad.
[2519.34] Curry: So basically I can shove that in the backpack and it doesn't get me in trouble.
[2524.54] Curry: And that's the one for the DJI goggles.
[2528.3] Curry: Again, just trying to make things easy and simple.
[2530.38] Curry: What about the controls?
[2532.46] Curry: The control, the controller is pretty good for folding up because the sticks come off
[2537.34] Curry: and the antenna thingy folds down that doesn't need a special bag.
[2543.26] Curry: So it can just go loose in one of the mesh things.
[2548.06] Curry: I've got a fairly big backpack for walking, which is like 35 liters and it's got like a camel
[2556.06] Curry: pack on it.
[2556.54] Curry: So that's sort of a proper hiking thing.
[2559.26] Curry: So if I can...
[2560.78] Curry: But that's less worrying because that's decent.
[2564.3] Curry: That carries the weight on the hips rather than the back.
[2568.06] Curry: So that's okay.
[2569.26] Curry: But yeah, my regular backpack, which is pretty big,
[2577.86] Curry: looks like this.
[2578.98] Curry: This is the ultimate in cheap backpacks.
[2581.86] Curry: The UI, and it's like bits and pieces.
[2586.9] Curry: It's full of bubble wrap because after I shove everything in there,
[2590.34] Curry: which has gone quite a lot, I bubble wrap over the top
[2593.78] Curry: just to make sure nothing gets crushed together or anything like that.
[2597.94] Curry: But yeah, I can take three to four quads on that, but that's pushing it.
[2603.38] Curry: And then I've got my arms free to carry planes if I need to or extra things.
[2608.1] Curry: Weirdly, that sort of thing.
[2610.26] Koel: For me, it's just like, I don't know.
[2612.66] Koel: I guess it really depends on what you're doing, right?
[2615.06] Koel: If you're going to a field, you're going to go bring as many drones as you can
[2618.74] Koel: if you're doing reviews or if you're going to switch stuff out or...
[2621.62] Koel: That totally makes sense.
[2623.54] Koel: But I don't know.
[2625.3] Koel: There's something really nice about just...
[2629.54] Koel: You've got a small school bag with a box with your transmitter and your goggles.
[2636.42] Koel: Your batteries fit into it.
[2638.98] Koel: Maybe a small little pencil case worth of tools.
[2642.02] Koel: And then your quad just velcros onto the back, stuck in the car.
[2647.06] Koel: And then that's all you need.
[2648.58] Koel: But yeah, it doesn't really prepare you for bad case scenarios.
[2654.1] Curry: I've got my lights up as well.
[2655.94] Curry: If I'm taking whoops to fly in the woods, then it's this tiny 20-liter thing.
[2662.74] Curry: And I have my radio master pocket.
[2665.14] Curry: I have boxes of batteries and these little things.
[2668.9] Curry: And I can just take the whoops in their cardboard boxes
[2671.22] Curry: so that you just shove them all in there
[2672.82] Curry: because they're not much bigger than the whoop itself.
[2675.06] Curry: Take a few that way.
[2676.34] Curry: That works pretty well.
[2678.58] Curry: It's only the goggles that are the big bit.
[2680.02] Curry: The goggles and the battery for the goggles.
[2682.18] Curry: Because I'm like on a 5200 4S, which weighs to be done in the pocket.
[2689.06] Koel: That's one thing I was curious about now with the M3s.
[2693.62] Koel: Fat sharks are nice and small.
[2695.7] Koel: They have their little case and it just fits easily.
[2697.94] Koel: But those M3 goggles are...
[2701.3] Koel: They're pretty beefy.
[2705.54] Frank: This is a good point.
[2706.58] Frank: Apart from the V2 goggles, I do not have a case for my V2 goggles.
[2710.98] Frank: I've just been shoving them in the bag on top of everything else.
[2715.46] Curry: Apparently, this one fits the goggles too, or whatever goggles there.
[2721.78] Curry: The frees are pretty hard to fit because of the way the batteries integrated.
[2726.66] Curry: But the straps that carry the wires in the batteries,
[2730.34] Curry: you've got to be quite careful about how they tuck around so they don't get caught.
[2733.3] Curry: But this was the main worry for me about chucking in a backpack.
[2737.38] Curry: Because A, they're very expensive.
[2738.74] Curry: And B, they've got bits that will break off.
[2741.46] Curry: So I'm quite glad to have the...
[2744.18] Koel: Can you show us your goggles, Carl?
[2747.46] Koel: They're still in the box.
[2749.78] Koel: I haven't really...
[2753.22] Koel: Well, I've opened them.
[2754.34] Koel: I've looked at them.
[2756.9] Koel: I haven't turned them on.
[2757.94] Koel: I haven't pulled off the stickers yet.
[2761.78] Jack: I just wanted to see them, that's all.
[2766.26] Jack: You don't have to do too much or just show me the box, I guess.
[2772.74] Jack: Just slightly interesting.
[2775.38] Jack: I don't know.
[2776.18] Jack: I feel bad.
[2778.66] Frank: While Carl's looking for that, I'll let you know that my favorite bag for everything is
[2785.38] Frank: an Osprey Farpoint 40.
[2788.34] Frank: That's what I use.
[2789.46] Frank: And I can stick in all my drone stuff in there.
[2792.58] Frank: I can stick in all my camera stuff in there.
[2795.94] Frank: Or I can stick in a load of bad weather gear
[2799.62] Frank: if I'm just going out somewhere for a long walk.
[2802.66] Curry: I was trying to find a photo the other day, and I did find it.
[2806.02] Curry: And it was the worst example of how to carry a quad.
[2811.62] Curry: With my old, what I called, this is good because I can fold it,
[2815.86] Curry: but it was still 450-sized with great big motors on.
[2820.9] Curry: And it weighed two and a half kilograms.
[2823.46] Curry: I had it on the back of a bag, right at the back,
[2826.1] Curry: so it was literally pulling me down at all times.
[2828.66] Curry: It was like a 10K walk.
[2832.42] Koel: No, there's nothing like that.
[2835.14] Koel: The only thing is, I think I talked about it in the group chat a bit ago.
[2841.38] Koel: These goggles stock are probably the most uncomfortable goggles
[2848.98] Koel: I've ever put on my face.
[2851.78] Koel: And I was basically ready to return them and just say,
[2857.3] Koel: screw it, I'm returning the O4 Pro.
[2858.74] Koel: I'm returning these goggles.
[2861.3] Koel: I'm just going to stick to analog.
[2865.7] Koel: When I got my HDO pluses coming from HDOs,
[2869.06] Koel: those were super uncomfortable too.
[2870.9] Koel: But then I upgraded the foam,
[2871.94] Koel: and then they're actually the most comfortable ones I've ever had.
[2874.82] Koel: And then when I've tried on my old HDOs,
[2876.9] Koel: it's like, whoa, these are actually,
[2879.62] Koel: the newer ones are way better with a good upgraded foam.
[2882.82] Koel: So what I ended up doing though was I ordered this head strap thing
[2886.42] Koel: because what I get is a ton of pressure on the bridge of my nose.
[2890.1] Koel: And this head strap basically helps a bit to keep it up.
[2897.22] Koel: But they're still not amazingly comfortable.
[2901.46] Koel: I'm not going to lie.
[2902.26] Koel: But I mean, it is what it is.
[2908.02] Curry: I think they're too huge from what you're showing there.
[2911.54] Curry: They're very one of the regular DJI goggles.
[2914.18] Curry: They're pretty big.
[2915.62] Koel: I didn't want this little cover thing that came with it.
[2919.38] Koel: It's the same brand as the strap just for the dust cover thing.
[2924.42] Koel: But they're pretty big, man.
[2928.82] Koel: I can't see anything right now, obviously.
[2931.14] Jack: But see, I know the size of Cole's head in real life.
[2939.14] Koel: Frank's seen me in real life.
[2940.82] Koel: Yeah, but yeah, it's there.
[2944.34] Koel: I still feel like in the nose area.
[2947.06] Koel: It's like the pressure.
[2950.02] Koel: It's annoying.
[2950.58] Koel: And I'm like, I try to like adjust like, okay,
[2952.58] Koel: how am I going to adjust it so they're more comfortable?
[2955.86] Koel: But I have a feeling that I'm hyper focusing on how it feels when I'm not flying.
[2961.46] Koel: So if I'm flying, because I noticed that with my new goggles too,
[2965.06] Koel: I was like, whoa, these feel weird.
[2966.26] Koel: But then once you're flying and you're actually giving it,
[2969.7] Koel: you're focusing on the screen and flying.
[2971.94] Koel: You're not focusing on nose pressure.
[2974.26] Koel: Hopefully, I won't be focusing on nose pressure.
[2976.34] Koel: And hopefully, a company will come out with a new product that will help it.
[2980.58] Koel: But yeah, it's like, maybe it's fine.
[2983.94] Koel: Like, I don't know.
[2984.66] Koel: It's kind of.
[2985.86] Jack: MagicalVentil said, you need to count away on the back.
[2990.34] Jack: Yeah, it's the battery.
[2992.74] Jack: The first thing I did with the Integra was get new foam padding.
[2996.66] Jack: The originals were unwearable for me.
[2999.22] Koel: Yeah, these, I don't know if there's really any foam pad options yet for these ones.
[3003.94] Koel: Like, yeah, it's not perfect.
[3007.46] Koel: And maybe there's some adjustments I can make to like,
[3010.58] Koel: actually, I guess this isn't even tightened right now.
[3012.58] Koel: But I don't know.
[3014.26] Koel: I don't freaking know, man.
[3015.3] Koel: I got to figure it out.
[3016.5] Curry: But it's OK.
[3019.62] Koel: I'll figure it out.
[3020.5] Curry: I actually used a fun feature with my goggles, the goggles free.
[3024.1] Curry: I took the Avar train out for its test flights.
[3027.78] Curry: And I thought I had it all manually right.
[3030.18] Curry: And I found out I neglected one certain setting.
[3033.7] Curry: So I'm like, I'll do a roll.
[3034.74] Curry: And it goes, no, I'm stopping here.
[3037.3] Curry: I was like, oh, what's going on here?
[3040.5] Curry: Like, I forgot to get the Avata 2 into manual mode.
[3044.66] Curry: Oh, yeah, stick mode.
[3046.5] Curry: The actual controller has got manual written down there.
[3051.06] Curry: But it's just a fake.
[3052.26] Curry: You have to go in and customize that button so it does actually turn into manual.
[3055.54] Curry: And I thought, that's all I need.
[3057.14] Curry: But there was some other little tick box that I didn't tick, which stopped me going over.
[3061.94] Curry: So I had like, I can't go very fast against the wind here because I can't bend forward
[3066.82] Curry: and I can't go around.
[3068.34] Curry: But the interesting thing I did on those goggles, they've got a picture in picture mode.
[3073.62] Curry: So if you tap the side twice, it shows you your view through the cameras.
[3079.86] Curry: And it puts the sort of drone image on the side there.
[3082.58] Curry: So someone walked past me and I was like, hi, how are you doing?
[3085.54] Curry: And I was like, that was fun, carried off.
[3088.1] Curry: Unfortunately, it doesn't show it in the recordings because that would have been quite fun.
[3094.0] Frank: So that's a bit like the VR stuff, right?
[3098.48] Frank: Like the meta quest.
[3100.64] Frank: That's the same gesture as you tap it and it does pass through mode.
[3104.08] Koel: Yeah, you got like a little bit of augmented.
[3106.32] Koel: Well, not really augmented reality, but yeah, you get this.
[3109.04] Koel: You have the little cameras, right?
[3110.32] Koel: So you can actually see a bit.
[3111.36] Curry: Yeah, it's like technically, like who's your spot up?
[3113.84] Curry: I am.
[3115.28] Curry: I can see it.
[3116.88] Curry: And I can see both views at once.
[3121.12] Curry: It is a very narrow field of view, though.
[3122.96] Curry: I do notice that.
[3125.28] Koel: Oh, yeah.
[3125.76] Koel: Yeah, it's very narrow.
[3128.56] Koel: You have like blinders on basically, right?
[3132.0] Frank: Does it also show you like what your antenna gain is like in particular directions?
[3137.68] Frank: Like here you got your full plus 2 dB and then you've got down to like 0.6 dB out here.
[3144.88] Frank: And if you point the goggles in the right way, you'll get better signal.
[3149.44] Curry: I think we just have to look at that little bar graph.
[3152.24] Curry: But it's very rare.
[3153.76] Curry: I mean, I've only flown it once, but getting it to drop below five, the max thing is very,
[3159.2] Curry: very hard.
[3160.64] Frank: Does it give you a little marker of where your drone is on the pass through mode?
[3168.32] Curry: Like you get the home mode.
[3169.76] Curry: It gives the little H for home, which is fairly accurate with, but no,
[3173.92] Curry: it doesn't.
[3174.96] Curry: That would be quite good.
[3175.76] Curry: It's like you are here.
[3176.88] Frank: Yeah, it's been going around with a little distance written underneath it and it just
[3182.64] Frank: keeps going up and up and up.
[3184.32] Frank: This is not going well.
[3185.92] Frank: That would be fun.
[3187.2] Frank: I like that idea.
[3188.0] Curry: Maybe they'll bring it in.
[3189.92] Frank: Yeah, that'd be a nice little feature firmware update.
[3193.76] Koel: Little fun things.
[3196.32] Koel: So you guys have flown at least some point within the last couple of months, right?
[3202.72] Koel: Curry definitely has.
[3203.84] Koel: Frank definitely has.
[3205.44] Koel: I haven't flown since I think like February or March.
[3210.8] Koel: So I'm just like, I've been what?
[3214.0] Koel: Sulking.
[3214.8] Koel: I've been sulking.
[3216.16] Koel: Yeah, like no, not back to Canada, not back to, oh, it's not summer yet.
[3222.72] Koel: It's still winter and spring all at the same time.
[3226.4] Koel: And oh, yay, there's a soccer field.
[3230.24] Frank: Yeah, you've been going through like deserts and jungles and like all these places and then
[3237.92] Frank: it's like, oh, here's a baseball field.
[3240.48] Koel: Reality.
[3241.36] Koel: Reality.
[3242.56] Koel: It's like I'm going through like major FPV crack withdrawal.
[3248.88] Koel: I got to get back to the, I got to get back on the FPV water.
[3253.6] Frank: Yeah, you don't want the soccer field methadone.
[3259.6] Koel: No, well, you know what?
[3261.12] Koel: Like I bet you once I finished this build, which is all blurry right now, once I'm done this build,
[3270.16] Koel: try out the digital thing.
[3272.64] Koel: Also, by the way, it is a dead cat frame.
[3274.72] Koel: So like, that's one of the reasons why I'm not going with GoPro for it.
[3278.16] Koel: But yeah, maybe it'll breathe some new life into the hobby game.
[3284.64] Koel: When you like, I've probably talked about it a bunch of times on here,
[3287.2] Koel: but I don't know if like anybody in the chat can, oh, Tony.
[3291.04] Koel: Yeah, reality sucks.
[3292.32] Koel: Yeah, Tony just came back from a trip.
[3293.92] Koel: So he literally knows the sentiment.
[3295.52] Koel: But it's like, when you go places that are just like, mind blowing and incredible,
[3300.24] Koel: and you get to do like, things that you would have never even dreamed of.
[3304.56] Koel: It's really tough to like, go back to, you know, not to say there's anything wrong with
[3309.68] Koel: flying in a park, but it's really tough to go back to it because you're like,
[3314.32] Koel: I want to fly in these crazy places that people just dream of, because I don't know.
[3320.72] Koel: And it makes me sound probably like a little spoiled piece of shit.
[3323.76] Koel: But it's tricky.
[3324.96] Koel: But you know what, I'm sure I'll be fine.
[3326.88] Koel: And personally, I'll be coming to you guys in a couple months.
[3330.08] Koel: And yeah, it's gonna be good.
[3332.48] Frank: I think I saw Clive in the chat saying you need to get out in the mountains.
[3337.68] Frank: But how far are you from the mountains?
[3340.32] Frank: I feel like you're some days' drive away from mountains.
[3345.04] Koel: I'm pretty much.
[3346.96] Koel: So if these are mountains, and this is like the edge of a country.
[3353.68] Koel: Well, this is the other end of the country.
[3356.4] Koel: I'm basically like here.
[3358.88] Koel: Like this is the edge.
[3360.24] Koel: I'm here.
[3360.88] Koel: Mountains are over here.
[3362.48] Koel: Are you closer to the Great Lakes than mountains?
[3366.48] Koel: Oh, I'm on the Great Lakes.
[3368.24] Koel: I'm like, I can drive to two Great Lakes, which no matter which direction I go.
[3374.32] Jack: It's great if he wants to get a quad lost out in the water
[3380.48] Jack: and drown himself in freezing water.
[3384.48] Curry: It gets pretty warm in the summer.
[3386.96] Curry: I met a Canadian on a ski lift who said he drove here from the other side.
[3390.72] Curry: And he was on the road for 13 days.
[3394.64] Curry: It's quite a big country.
[3396.64] Curry: Canada is a very large country.
[3398.96] Jack: They're the sort of Canadians that have been in a cabin for a little bit too long.
[3407.76] Jack: Had a little bit too much game meat, a little bit chopped wood,
[3416.4] Jack: a little bit too enthusiastically, if you know what I mean.
[3419.76] Koel: Well, and that's another reason too that I feel like I kind of got desensitized.
[3426.64] Koel: I don't know if desensitized is the right word.
[3428.08] Koel: But in Taiwan, it's a tiny country compared to Canada.
[3433.12] Koel: And you can go from mountains to ocean to bandos to whatever,
[3439.92] Koel: all within an hour or two's drive.
[3448.24] Koel: You could literally fly in the mountains in the ocean
[3450.32] Koel: and in a bando all on the same day and still go out for dinner after.
[3454.56] Frank: Yeah, where you are, you'd have to drive three hours to see a hill
[3460.88] Frank: and then another three hours to see a slightly taller hill.
[3464.4] Koel: Yeah, yeah, pretty much, yeah.
[3468.16] Koel: Although I guess in the UK, you guys can go north
[3473.68] Koel: and you start getting some pretty cool landscapes.
[3476.24] Frank: Yeah, I mean, it's not that far.
[3478.72] Frank: It's not that far.
[3479.76] Frank: It's just that driving in the UK is a mentally taxing activity, I would say.
[3488.32] Frank: I think that's the difference.
[3489.68] Frank: It's like I don't think three hours driving in Canada
[3492.88] Frank: is the same as three hours driving in the UK.
[3496.24] Koel: No, but before we go, let me just show one thing that I'm working on at the moment.
[3500.16] Koel: It is somewhat drone related and there's drone stuff in it.
[3504.96] Koel: But it's not full-out FPV, but it is drones.
[3508.8] Koel: But yeah, check this out.
[3512.16] Koel: Oh, the first shot is not in here for some reason.
[3516.48] Koel: Let me fast forward.
[3517.6] Koel: Is this yours?
[3518.48] Koel: Yeah, I'm working on like a 12-minute video.
[3522.56] Koel: I'm basically done at 12-minute.
[3524.88] Koel: I don't even know what you want to call it.
[3526.08] Koel: It's kind of like a movie.
[3527.52] Koel: It looks like a movie.
[3528.64] Koel: It sounds like a movie.
[3529.6] Koel: It sounds like a movie.
[3535.84] Jack: Is this like a stylistic choice with the color grading?
[3540.4] Koel: This is just like a random export right now, but this is just a little clip.
[3544.96] Koel: Yeah, but imagine you're in places like this and then you're in places like this.
[3554.16] Koel: I don't know about you guys, but this looks insane to me.
[3558.4] Koel: Like it doesn't even look real.
[3560.8] Koel: I bet you out west we could get stuff like that here in Canada, but yeah.
[3569.86] Jack: All I'll say, Cole, is having friends to fly with helps with
[3578.1] Jack: soccer field flying, that's all I'll say.
[3580.26] Jack: Oh, yeah.
[3580.9] Koel: Oh, yeah.
[3581.38] Koel: No, that's true.
[3583.62] Koel: It almost doesn't matter where you fly if you're flying with friends.
[3586.02] Koel: It's like you're hanging out.
[3587.38] Koel: You're having a good time.
[3589.14] Jack: Frank, I have baked a Victoria sponge cake tomorrow.
[3595.94] Jack: So you have a fresh Victoria sponge cake.
[3600.74] Jack: So, yeah, I mean, obviously, mentally, I'm not doing too well because I have started baking.
[3610.34] Frank: Is that like a warning sign?
[3612.82] Frank: Yeah.
[3614.02] Jack: Oh, unfortunately, that's all we got time for.
[3618.18] Jack: Frank, have you got anything you need to tell us or update us or let us know?
[3623.86] Frank: Not like I think of.
[3625.7] Jack: Cool.
[3627.22] Jack: Because don't forget, a angry Frank is a dangerous Frank.
[3632.5] Jack: Thank you to all our lovely patrons who generously donate to help keep us on
[3638.9] Jack: because we have costs like the website, the editor,
[3643.38] Jack: SoundCloud hosting.
[3644.9] Jack: We no longer get a discount for from StreamYard because they hate us.
[3649.78] Jack: I think we're.
[3651.94] Jack: Yeah.
[3652.34] Jack: And when this show is over in August, we might do a reflective thing of basically
[3660.42] Jack: the emails from them, telling them to leave that one for a bonus.
[3668.74] Frank: To be clear, it's the edited audio only podcast that appears in a podcast app,
[3676.74] Frank: appears in YouTube music, appears on Spotify, all of that stuff.
[3681.22] Frank: That's the bit that we will run out of money for in August, the way things are going at the moment.
[3688.5] Frank: So if you want that to carry on happening, you need to pay more on Patreon.
[3693.14] Frank: If you want this bit of the show to carry on, you don't care about the audio or anyone,
[3698.82] Frank: then everything's fine.
[3702.5] Jack: Yeah.
[3703.22] Jack: Till we run out of money for StreamYard.
[3707.94] Jack: Yeah.
[3708.1] Jack: Then we can do Google Hangouts.
[3713.3] Koel: Retro.
[3714.58] Jack: Yeah.
[3714.9] Jack: Yeah.
[3715.22] Jack: We've been listening to Lectro now.
[3716.58] Jack: Thank you for your love, support.
[3718.34] Jack: Thank you to everyone who tuned in.
[3719.86] Jack: Thank you to everyone who said hello in the chat.
[3721.94] Jack: We love you guys.
[3723.7] Jack: This show is dedicated to a kitty.
[3729.22] Jack: Clive has lost a kitty.
[3731.46] Jack: Our heart goes out.
[3732.5] Jack: Sorry for your loss.
[3735.14] Jack: We love you and we hope you're doing all right.
[3738.66] Jack: You've been joined by everyone's favorite curry kitten.
[3742.02] Jack: Goodbye.
[3743.06] Jack: Andrew slash Frank.
[3744.66] Jack: Hi.
[3746.34] Jack: And my buddy, Carl.
[3748.98] Jack: Steer.
[3750.02] Jack: I've been writing until I fly.
[3751.46] Jack: Thank you and good night.
[3752.98] Jack: Telemetry lost.