=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 515 ===
Title: LDO 515 - Talking with FossilsStuff
Recorded: 2025-07-10
Hosts: Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): Martin "fossil" Rye
Total audience: 1,185
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQh3ZiXPBQ8); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/2130869550-letsdroneout-ldo-515-talking-with.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello, and you're listening to Let's Drone Out, a special thank you to our lovely patrons
[6.28] Jack: that help donate so that we can pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things
[11.36] Jack: we say.
[13.0] Jack: Massive thank you to …
[14.0] Jack: Carlos Campos!
[15.0] Jack: Art Faulkner.
[16.0] Jack: Sam Dahmer.
[17.0] Frank: On with the show.
[18.0] Frank: Hello and welcome to Let's Drone Out.
[54.99] Stephen: We are joined this evening by Fossil of Fossil Stuff and the Usual Cohort.
[61.75] Stephen: We have everyone's actual favourite, Jack, the organiser-in-chief, Frank, a resident
[77.67] Stephen: and sometime race pilot, Tony, and myself, Stephen.
[82.91] Stephen: Right, so you've been roving around from what I hear.
[88.39] Martin Rye: Absolutely.
[89.39] Martin Rye: Yeah, it started about two and a half years ago, nearly three years ago now, can't believe
[93.55] Martin Rye: it.
[94.55] Martin Rye: Just had this urge to build a rover and the surveillance and yeah, started sketching some
[101.55] Martin Rye: things out and came up with … there was some … like an idea, a sci-fi rover, that's
[111.71] Martin Rye: how it started.
[114.31] Martin Rye: I sent Jack a picture of that.
[115.31] Martin Rye: Are you going to show the pictures, Jack?
[116.31] Martin Rye: Right.
[117.31] Martin Rye: He's trying.
[118.31] Martin Rye: He's trying.
[119.31] Martin Rye: For a start.
[120.31] Martin Rye: Don't worry.
[121.31] Martin Rye: Hang on.
[122.31] Jack: Let me get back to this, right?
[125.31] Stephen: In case you're not aware, we are experiencing a small number of technical difficulties.
[132.31] Jack: Yeah.
[133.31] Jack: Easy, right?
[134.31] Jack: Right?
[135.31] Jack: Well, I made a little rover.
[139.11] Jack: All I can say is you, A, surprise me as much as you terrify me because I'm trying to work
[149.43] Jack: out what government list you're trying to get on because when you say a little roving
[156.95] Jack: about, right, it's like a tank.
[162.03] Jack: You know, it's not kid-sized Barbie little toy car, 18-volt.
[168.03] Jack: No, it's more like, you know, the little ride things that sit outside supermarkets
[175.87] Jack: and you put pound coins in and the kids … it's that size.
[181.23] Jack: You can fit a small female adult in it and several children.
[186.35] Jack: The thing looks like, well, it looks like you've nicked it from a bomb squad.
[193.35] Jack: That's the only way I can describe this.
[199.35] Jack: I will present my fossil presentation.
[206.99] Jack: Now, Fossil has sent me individual photos on WhatsApp with horribly compressed videos.
[221.99] Jack: So, I'm converting them to him all as we speak.
[226.99] Jack: I've made this presentation.
[229.99] Jack: This presentation is titled Fossil the old git.
[233.99] Jack: He can't use computers.
[235.99] Martin Rye: Exactly.
[237.99] Jack: And yeah.
[239.99] Jack: Slide two.
[240.99] Jack: No.
[241.99] Jack: He uses Edge for f*** sake.
[245.99] Jack: He's what?
[247.99] Jack: Microsoft Edge.
[248.99] Jack: He was using Microsoft Edge.
[250.99] Jack: I'm wondering why we couldn't communicate with him.
[255.99] Jack: Why?
[256.99] Jack: How are you …
[257.99] Jack: It is the default.
[258.99] Stephen: That's not necessarily a choice.
[260.99] Stephen: That's what you get handed.
[263.99] Jack: So, I'd like to point out, I'm guessing …
[266.99] Jack: Nothing just presses buttons, Stephen.
[272.99] Martin Rye: If it says press that button, continue.
[274.99] Martin Rye: You continue and you end up in Edge.
[277.99] Jack: Is this measuring kilos?
[280.99] Martin Rye: Yeah.
[281.99] Martin Rye: Yeah.
[282.99] Martin Rye: It's more than that.
[283.99] Martin Rye: Now, that was early days.
[284.99] Martin Rye: It's about 125 now.
[287.99] Stephen: That's a lot of something.
[289.99] Stephen: I'm guessing mainly steel.
[291.99] Martin Rye: That's all plastic, Stephen.
[293.99] Stephen: All plastic?
[294.99] Stephen: You've got 114 kilos of plastic.
[297.99] Stephen: That is an outrageously large device.
[300.99] Martin Rye: It's all the motors and gearboxes and batteries and chargers.
[305.99] Jack: Guys, you're focusing on the wrong worrying thing.
[311.99] Jack: It has a Made in Britain sticker on it, and it's not on fire yet.
[322.99] Jack: So, is this a ton now?
[324.99] Jack: Have you asked the metric ton?
[327.99] Jack: Have you heard of that?
[328.99] Jack: Oh, no.
[329.99] Jack: Hang on.
[330.99] Jack: How many pharlos and half-aged is it,
[334.99] Jack: start with corn, bags.
[338.99] Jack: How's your old father?
[341.99] Martin Rye: What are you jabbing on about?
[343.99] Jack: Don't worry about it.
[344.99] Jack: How much does it weigh?
[346.99] Martin Rye: Well, it's about 120 now, 125.
[349.99] Martin Rye: Heavy.
[350.99] Martin Rye: Yeah, but the more you put, obviously, it's getting heavier.
[353.99] Martin Rye: The camera was...
[355.99] Martin Rye: That was the last picture, I think.
[357.99] Martin Rye: I said, the white camera, the new camera.
[360.99] Martin Rye: Because it was originally designed as a surveillance rover.
[364.99] Jack: These are the order you sent me, then.
[367.99] Martin Rye: Which one do you want?
[369.99] Martin Rye: Right, that's the first FPV system on the top,
[372.99] Martin Rye: just a VISTA bolted to a plate just to get us going.
[377.99] Jack: I've missed you, fossil.
[380.99] Martin Rye: So, the wheels were just me off eBay, wheels and tires.
[383.99] Martin Rye: I got in for 16 quid for the wheel and a tire.
[386.99] Martin Rye: Oh, it's not bad.
[388.99] Martin Rye: Yeah, so I get a puncture.
[390.99] Martin Rye: I just throw the thing away and buy another one.
[393.99] Martin Rye: It's like a prop.
[394.99] Martin Rye: It's not worth it. Yeah, it is. Well done.
[396.99] Martin Rye: It is, Frank.
[400.99] Martin Rye: What else can you see there?
[402.99] Martin Rye: Yeah, it's just a bit of pipe on the back for a bumper.
[405.99] Frank: Has it got a big window in the front so Tony can see out of it?
[409.99] Martin Rye: Have you probably seen it?
[411.99] Martin Rye: I was running a credit window so I could see all the bloody,
[414.99] Martin Rye: flashy lights and see what it's doing.
[417.99] Martin Rye: Now they're all black now.
[419.99] Martin Rye: I've made them plastic.
[420.99] Martin Rye: But I wanted to keep an eye on what things were doing.
[424.99] Jack: Have you heard of telemetry?
[427.99] Martin Rye: Yeah, but I still like to see flashing lights.
[429.99] Martin Rye: Yeah, we've got telemetry, lots of that.
[432.99] Martin Rye: Has it got any depth switches in it?
[435.99] Martin Rye: It's no, no.
[436.99] Martin Rye: In fact, well, the Sabretooth controllers had depth switches on,
[439.99] Martin Rye: but no, it's all quite clever controllers.
[442.99] Martin Rye: The guy who builds these controllers, speed controllers,
[445.99] Martin Rye: supplies the guys for robot wars, for the housebox.
[450.99] Martin Rye: And all of that.
[451.99] Martin Rye: Yeah, a company called 4QD.
[454.99] Martin Rye: Yeah, check them out.
[455.99] Martin Rye: They're a good bunch.
[457.99] Frank: It does look like it could compete against circular lock.
[462.99] Martin Rye: It's bloody heavy.
[463.99] Martin Rye: It took out a four-inch fence post the other day.
[467.99] Martin Rye: Did it go rogue?
[469.99] Martin Rye: Went a bit, hey, well, yeah.
[471.99] Jack: It looks like it **** out, circular lock.
[475.99] Martin Rye: It does a lot of damage when you hit something.
[479.99] Frank: Have you run yourself over yet?
[483.99] Martin Rye: No, but it did go AWOL, and I had to dive at it
[486.99] Martin Rye: and grab that kill switch on the side.
[489.99] Jack: You can go for a really small, convenient one.
[494.99] Martin Rye: It was going towards the neighbor's fence.
[498.99] Martin Rye: I literally had to chuck the transmitter on the ground with this arm.
[502.99] Martin Rye: If I hadn't switched it off, it would have gone through the fence
[506.99] Martin Rye: and it would have been in his back garden and beyond that.
[510.99] Martin Rye: Yeah, it was a superman moment.
[514.99] Jack: Have you heard of geofences?
[518.99] Martin Rye: That happened before I got into all of that.
[522.99] Martin Rye: All the mission planning has come a lot later.
[527.99] Frank: Zero in the chat asks, does it mow the lawn?
[530.99] Frank: Yes, it does, yeah.
[533.99] Martin Rye: I did toes four foot wide, 16 horsepower.
[537.99] Martin Rye: What's it called?
[540.99] Martin Rye: Like a mower deck that you normally take behind an ATV.
[544.99] Martin Rye: So I've set the missions up to do spiral mowing.
[548.99] Martin Rye: Yeah, that was a little story later.
[551.99] Frank: A lot of this looks like some kind of Star Wars project.
[555.99] Frank: There you go.
[557.99] Martin Rye: That's the mission, and that's about 30 seconds of it.
[563.99] Martin Rye: I got a little bit stuck there.
[565.99] Martin Rye: It doesn't like it.
[566.99] Martin Rye: It doesn't mind it, but it just takes a bit of time to get this uphill,
[569.99] Martin Rye: and then it goes off again.
[571.99] Frank: How much of an impression does it leave behind it?
[576.99] Martin Rye: Well, it does leave an impression.
[579.99] Martin Rye: This is quite cool.
[582.99] Martin Rye: I've been involved with quite a lot of guys in the states.
[586.99] Martin Rye: I uploaded a similar video to that, and one guy said,
[589.99] Martin Rye: yeah, I can see all your tracks.
[592.99] Martin Rye: When you repeat mowing the same mission,
[595.99] Martin Rye: you start to get ruts in the ground.
[597.99] Martin Rye: So John Harlow, he wrote a little routine that you can load into the planner.
[603.99] Jack: Randomizes.
[605.99] Martin Rye: Right click, and it's a nudge function,
[607.99] Martin Rye: so you can move your mission by so many centimeters,
[610.99] Martin Rye: either east, west, north, or whatever.
[613.99] Martin Rye: That's where your map's going.
[614.99] Martin Rye: Left, right, up, or down.
[616.99] Martin Rye: So I just move it like 300 millimeters.
[618.99] Martin Rye: Left or right.
[620.99] Martin Rye: I'll just repeat it.
[622.99] Martin Rye: I have all four of them,
[624.99] Martin Rye: and eventually it will stop rutting up the ground.
[627.99] Martin Rye: So that was quite nice.
[629.99] Martin Rye: Yeah.
[632.99] Martin Rye: That picture there, that's the original surveillance camera
[636.99] Martin Rye: that it died very early on.
[639.99] Martin Rye: Basically, it was meant to be mounted upside down.
[641.99] Martin Rye: It was waterproof, like in a building.
[644.99] Martin Rye: But I mounted it up the other way
[646.99] Martin Rye: because you could actually flip the image.
[648.99] Martin Rye: Unfortunately, it wasn't waterproof up that way.
[652.99] Martin Rye: So it was beautifully made.
[654.99] Martin Rye: Don't get me wrong.
[655.99] Martin Rye: It was lovely, but it just couldn't take the water going uphill.
[661.99] Martin Rye: Yeah.
[662.99] Martin Rye: So that was a long...
[663.99] Martin Rye: It's taken me nearly over a year to sort the camera out,
[667.99] Martin Rye: and literally this week I picked up that new white one.
[671.99] Martin Rye: It's a PTZ running on a 4G router in the rover.
[677.99] Martin Rye: So it streams the picture,
[679.99] Martin Rye: and when I can control the camera, it's bloody brilliant.
[682.99] Martin Rye: I love it.
[683.99] Frank: How much of a zoom has it got on it?
[685.99] Martin Rye: 25 times, I think.
[687.99] Frank: Wow.
[688.99] Martin Rye: Wow.
[689.99] Stephen: Oh, yeah.
[690.99] Stephen: Now, I think we found it.
[692.99] Martin Rye: So that's not powered up.
[694.99] Martin Rye: It looks more like a robot arm.
[695.99] Martin Rye: Yeah, it's not powered up,
[696.99] Martin Rye: so the camera's actually just pointing down at the minute.
[698.99] Martin Rye: But what's amazing, I can believe it.
[700.99] Martin Rye: When you do the pan, it just keeps going round and round.
[703.99] Martin Rye: There's no stop on it, and you have to go back the other way.
[706.99] Martin Rye: It just goes...
[707.99] Stephen: Slippery.
[708.99] Stephen: A little bit dizzy, though.
[710.99] Martin Rye: Quite handy.
[711.99] Martin Rye: Is this the last iteration, this one, now?
[714.99] Frank: This is slight.
[716.99] Jack: They still got to ride the machine guns.
[718.99] Martin Rye: No, this is the first one.
[719.99] Martin Rye: The next one's going to be bigger.
[720.99] Martin Rye: Come on, now.
[721.99] Stephen: Taser.
[722.99] Martin Rye: Yeah, I've got a big battery arrived today.
[724.99] Stephen: Do you do much in the way of racing for it?
[726.99] Stephen: I mean, it looks a lot beefier than many rovers.
[729.99] Stephen: It looks like it could go round at a fair clip.
[731.99] Martin Rye: Well, the idea was it was waterproof.
[734.99] Martin Rye: So the whole thing, you can...
[735.99] Martin Rye: Once those bolts are all done up,
[737.99] Martin Rye: I can blast it with those pipes and spray guns and whatever,
[741.99] Martin Rye: and it can be just lovely.
[743.99] Martin Rye: So it really sits out in the rain for days and days,
[746.99] Martin Rye: what has been testing.
[749.99] Martin Rye: It doesn't like really cold weather.
[751.99] Martin Rye: When you get down to minus four,
[753.99] Martin Rye: the batteries look out,
[755.99] Martin Rye: because they're Victoron,
[757.99] Martin Rye: and they've got a temperature limit both ways.
[762.99] Martin Rye: So these are hot and cold, but...
[764.99] Martin Rye: And they just big bloody lumps.
[766.99] Martin Rye: The big buzzard comes on and beeps and flashes at me
[769.99] Martin Rye: and says, it's too cold, it's too cold.
[772.99] Martin Rye: And you can't charge them when it's cold either.
[775.99] Martin Rye: They've got a bit of a limitation, though.
[777.99] Martin Rye: There is some iron phosphates.
[779.99] Martin Rye: Right, right.
[780.99] Martin Rye: So for it, yeah.
[781.99] Martin Rye: There are four 50 amp-hours to each power in series,
[788.99] Martin Rye: giving 24, and then they go into parallel
[791.99] Martin Rye: to giving me 24 volts.
[793.99] Stephen: So you've got 200 amp-hours.
[795.99] Stephen: How far are you trying to drive this thing?
[798.99] Martin Rye: Oh, it goes for about four or five hours.
[800.99] Martin Rye: But when I'm mowing, that pattern you saw earlier,
[803.99] Martin Rye: that's eight kilometers,
[805.99] Martin Rye: and it does that in about an hour and a half.
[809.99] Jack: It goes on and on and on.
[811.99] Martin Rye: It never runs out.
[812.99] Martin Rye: It doesn't seem to, anyway.
[813.99] Martin Rye: It does eventually.
[814.99] Jack: You've got enough room for solar,
[817.99] Jack: isn't it?
[818.99] Jack: Sorry, sorry, Jack.
[820.99] Jack: You've got enough room for a few solar.
[823.99] Jack: Put a solar heater on there.
[825.99] Martin Rye: Yeah, well, this cooling is the problem at the minute.
[828.99] Martin Rye: I've had to fit actual fans,
[831.99] Martin Rye: blowing air in and then blowing it out.
[833.99] Martin Rye: Then I've also got PC fans playing on the motors now.
[835.99] Stephen: Yeah, you've got a lot of electronics in there.
[838.99] Martin Rye: It's the motors.
[839.99] Martin Rye: They get to about 70 degrees.
[841.99] Martin Rye: Oh, right.
[842.99] Martin Rye: And the speed controller is shut down at 75,
[844.99] Martin Rye: which has happened once.
[846.99] Martin Rye: Then I added all these fans,
[847.99] Martin Rye: which is still not holding it,
[849.99] Martin Rye: not when it's 26, 27.
[851.99] Martin Rye: Well, it's a sealed chassis, really, isn't it?
[853.99] Stephen: Do you have that much?
[854.99] Martin Rye: It is a bloody black plastic box sealed up.
[857.99] Martin Rye: When the batteries get hot, everything gets hot.
[861.99] Stephen: Are you going to put some air ducts and air vents on it?
[864.99] Martin Rye: Yeah, that's something.
[866.99] Martin Rye: Yeah, I'm working on it.
[868.99] Martin Rye: It's evolution.
[870.99] Martin Rye: So I'm wondering whether I should actually be boxing it all up
[873.99] Martin Rye: and try and get a bit more airflow in it.
[875.99] Stephen: Thank you.
[879.99] Martin Rye: Put the FC receiver telemetry in a waterproof box
[885.99] Martin Rye: and just cool that and then have the chassis
[888.99] Martin Rye: or the monocoque slightly more open
[890.99] Martin Rye: so the motors can stay cooler.
[893.99] Martin Rye: In fact, the new motors,
[894.99] Martin Rye: they're huge.
[896.99] Martin Rye: They've got fans built into the end of the motors.
[900.99] Jack: Why don't you add more cooling
[902.99] Jack: or make the unit out of metal and don't paint it black?
[908.99] Martin Rye: Yeah, I'd actually use the plastic for the waterproofing.
[911.99] Martin Rye: Metally, you've got to treat it.
[914.99] Martin Rye: I'm just using what I know, basically.
[917.99] Martin Rye: And it's pretty very tough so far.
[921.99] Martin Rye: I'm happy with the plastic.
[922.99] Martin Rye: I think there's more can be done, though, in terms of the cooling.
[926.99] Stephen: Cooling.
[927.99] Stephen: So there's no beneath structural issues
[929.99] Stephen: with that much weight bouncing around at speed then?
[932.99] Martin Rye: No, the only thing that is the weak point
[935.99] Martin Rye: are the gearboxes on the motors.
[938.99] Martin Rye: They're one to 32 planetary gearboxes
[940.99] Martin Rye: on like a three-inch diameter brush milliter.
[944.99] Martin Rye: But the output shaft, when they've turned it,
[948.99] Martin Rye: there's a sharp edge, basically,
[951.99] Martin Rye: and there's a picture I sent Jack of the gearbox snaps
[957.99] Martin Rye: and the shaft as well.
[959.99] Martin Rye: And the wheels just fall off.
[961.99] Martin Rye: That's it.
[962.99] Martin Rye: So you can see.
[964.99] Martin Rye: So that shaft is 14 mil diameter.
[968.99] Martin Rye: So clearly not enough.
[970.99] Martin Rye: And I've broken about four of these down.
[972.99] Martin Rye: They're beautiful gearboxes.
[974.99] Martin Rye: It breaks your heart.
[975.99] Martin Rye: And I've written to them, they won't just send you the shaft.
[978.99] Martin Rye: Anyway, trying to pull one apart is like...
[980.99] Martin Rye: It's like an incredible bit of kit.
[982.99] Martin Rye: You can never put it back together.
[984.99] Martin Rye: There must be 10,000 needle bearings in there.
[987.99] Martin Rye: It's mine. Anyway.
[990.99] Martin Rye: Anyway, the new motor.
[992.99] Martin Rye: It's a Knight Rider boat.
[993.99] Martin Rye: Yeah, that's the lights on the front.
[997.99] Martin Rye: That's all on a switch on the transmitter.
[1000.99] Martin Rye: That's great.
[1001.99] Martin Rye: That is.
[1002.99] Martin Rye: It's like getting dirty.
[1003.99] Martin Rye: Like fierce lights.
[1005.99] Martin Rye: Amazing.
[1006.99] Martin Rye: Lights have all the feel.
[1008.99] Martin Rye: The red ones are really sexy.
[1010.99] Martin Rye: Yeah, we had problems with it then.
[1013.99] Martin Rye: I remember.
[1014.99] Martin Rye: Well, I had problems with it for...
[1016.99] Martin Rye: Anyway, only in the last four or five months
[1020.99] Martin Rye: have the problems stopped.
[1021.99] Martin Rye: And it stopped after I changed those speed controls.
[1025.99] Martin Rye: I must have blown up.
[1027.99] Martin Rye: I've lost count that much stuff.
[1030.99] Martin Rye: Six Matek wing boards.
[1034.99] Martin Rye: Two orange cubes.
[1038.99] Martin Rye: Diversity receivers.
[1040.99] Martin Rye: And it's all down to the original Wampflow speed controller, I think.
[1044.99] Martin Rye: Once that came out, never had a...
[1047.99] Martin Rye: I'm not touched with it.
[1048.99] Martin Rye: I've never blown anything up.
[1051.99] Stephen: Have you made it modular so you can replace different portions
[1055.99] Stephen: and swap the flight controller and speed controllers out correctly?
[1058.99] Martin Rye: Yeah, it all comes out really quick.
[1059.99] Martin Rye: Even the motors, I can change the motor and gearbox in probably half an hour.
[1064.99] Martin Rye: Yeah, it's not too bad.
[1066.99] Martin Rye: I built some little toy ones of these,
[1068.99] Stephen: and the temptation is just to get the thing moving
[1070.99] Stephen: and then you end up with a rat's nest of everything all strewn around.
[1073.99] Martin Rye: Yeah, it's still rat's nest in places.
[1076.99] Martin Rye: When you're doing testing, the fans, they're just way going up.
[1079.99] Martin Rye: Nothing fancy, obviously.
[1082.99] Martin Rye: But while you're testing, you're cutting it about and moving stuff around.
[1085.99] Martin Rye: You know what it's like.
[1086.99] Martin Rye: There's no point doing it too tidy because it's all going to get changed.
[1090.99] Martin Rye: There's a bad one.
[1092.99] Stephen: You don't want to spend ages making it look pretty,
[1094.99] Stephen: but you don't want to trip over your own wiring either.
[1097.99] Stephen: Absolutely.
[1098.99] Martin Rye: Yeah, the wiring is not the spacecraft wiring by any means,
[1103.99] Martin Rye: but it's neat and tidy and you can follow it through.
[1107.99] Martin Rye: Maybe a few little bits.
[1109.99] Martin Rye: Try to label it up where I can.
[1111.99] Stephen: Is this going to be a personal project or do you think you're branched out?
[1115.99] Martin Rye: No, it will be for sale.
[1118.99] Martin Rye: It exhibited at the counterterrorism show last year
[1123.99] Martin Rye: on a stand.
[1125.99] Martin Rye: I've got a guy helping me.
[1126.99] Martin Rye: He's going to be selling it, basically.
[1128.99] Martin Rye: I just sort of work with him.
[1131.99] Martin Rye: He's salesmen.
[1132.99] Martin Rye: I just think.
[1133.99] Stephen: It's going to be bomb disposal and stuff like that.
[1135.99] Martin Rye: So, yeah, the telemetry.
[1138.99] Martin Rye: I'm using the RFD stuff from Ben at 3DXR.
[1143.99] Martin Rye: It's running 868 megahertz.
[1146.99] Martin Rye: In a drone, it'll go 40K, but on the ground, it'll run the...
[1152.99] Martin Rye: The other thing I'm doing is running a ground station for the correction data
[1157.99] Martin Rye: for the GPS because I've got two GPS running in your system.
[1161.99] Martin Rye: The moving baseline.
[1164.99] Martin Rye: I'm not really sure how it works.
[1166.99] Frank: So the RTK type stuff?
[1168.99] Martin Rye: Yes, RTK.
[1169.99] Martin Rye: As long as I've got RTK fixed on the head-up display,
[1174.99] Martin Rye: then I can literally carry it around the farm within a couple of centimeters.
[1179.99] Martin Rye: It repeats a mission, literally, on the nail.
[1183.99] Frank: What's this, then?
[1184.99] Frank: Is this a work in progress type photo?
[1190.99] Martin Rye: That's the solar panel trailer.
[1193.99] Martin Rye: And I can turn around, and then when I park up,
[1196.99] Martin Rye: I can deploy them with the linear actuators
[1199.99] Martin Rye: so they come out horizontal,
[1201.99] Martin Rye: and I get five times the amount of...
[1203.99] Martin Rye: Oh, there you go.
[1206.99] Martin Rye: What was it, confusion model?
[1209.99] Frank: How much do they have to flap before it takes off?
[1215.99] Martin Rye: That's going a lot quicker than that.
[1218.99] Martin Rye: The trouble.
[1220.99] Martin Rye: It's painful going up.
[1222.99] Martin Rye: There was a big area for that, but oh, there you go.
[1225.99] Martin Rye: They're coming down.
[1226.99] Frank: It really does look to me like something that should be on the Death Star,
[1230.99] Frank: like going around one of the corridors.
[1233.99] Martin Rye: Yeah.
[1235.99] Frank: If it moves before audio listeners...
[1237.99] Martin Rye: But the whole registration of hands-up horizontal
[1240.99] Martin Rye: is five times more solar gain than when they're parked like that.
[1245.99] Jack: Yeah.
[1248.3] Martin Rye: Surprising, isn't it?
[1251.3] Jack: And when they fully open, people can shoot from them.
[1257.3] Frank: Little gun parts on the side, yeah.
[1259.3] Frank: That's where Tony jumps out with his knife.
[1263.3] Martin Rye: Like about 170 watts
[1265.3] Martin Rye: and four and a half, five amps on a sunny day.
[1268.3] Martin Rye: That's pretty good.
[1272.3] Martin Rye: Sorry, Jack.
[1273.3] Martin Rye: That's a gun or a clamp.
[1275.3] Martin Rye: It could weld.
[1276.3] Martin Rye: Oh, like a quick release clamp, yeah.
[1278.3] Martin Rye: Oh, I know.
[1279.3] Martin Rye: I was welding the stop-on to stop the door carrying on inside.
[1285.3] Martin Rye: Not sure.
[1286.3] Jack: You've heard of magnets, right?
[1288.3] Martin Rye: Yeah.
[1289.3] Martin Rye: It's very heavy, though.
[1292.3] Martin Rye: It does the job, so it can tow that around
[1296.3] Martin Rye: and charge itself pretty much on a sunny day.
[1301.3] Martin Rye: I can run it one meter a second
[1304.3] Martin Rye: and it just goes round and round and round pretty much all day.
[1307.3] Jack: Did you cut all those holes out with the CNC
[1312.3] Jack: or did you plasma or water jet?
[1315.3] Martin Rye: Yeah, they were all routed out with the rounds on their hands.
[1320.3] Jack: Oh, that's a lot of duty time.
[1323.3] Jack: I must say it does work well.
[1326.3] Jack: Do you have a picture of the trailer of you
[1327.3] Martin Rye: that I turn myself around with?
[1331.3] Jack: You turn yourself around then?
[1333.3] Martin Rye: I've got a trailer that hooks on
[1335.3] Martin Rye: with like a box down the side.
[1338.3] Martin Rye: The seat is basically...
[1340.3] Martin Rye: No, that's the same as the trailer.
[1342.3] Martin Rye: No, I don't think you've got a picture of it.
[1344.3] Martin Rye: No, I didn't get round to it.
[1345.3] Jack: Is it a video?
[1347.3] Martin Rye: No, no.
[1349.3] Martin Rye: Travis, I'm always in it, so I don't take many pictures of it.
[1352.3] Martin Rye: All you see is my feet.
[1355.3] Martin Rye: You want to see a picture?
[1357.3] Martin Rye: It's got a box on the back.
[1360.3] Martin Rye: Oh, I could send it to Jack, couldn't I?
[1363.3] Martin Rye: Oh, joy.
[1369.3] Jack: How cool is this?
[1372.3] Martin Rye: The trailer on the albums.
[1376.3] Martin Rye: Yeah, so I turn myself around and the other day
[1378.3] Martin Rye: I actually...
[1380.3] Martin Rye: This is a bit sad.
[1384.3] Martin Rye: I wrote a mission to go around all the wood and on the farm.
[1391.3] Martin Rye: And then so I jumped in the...
[1393.3] Martin Rye: My trailer flicked the auto switch
[1396.3] Martin Rye: and it just took me round.
[1398.3] Martin Rye: And I said, my bag had been towed away.
[1402.3] Frank: That's pretty cool.
[1403.3] Martin Rye: The lovely sunshine. It was brilliant.
[1406.3] Martin Rye: I like that.
[1407.3] Martin Rye: Here we go.
[1408.3] Martin Rye: This is my mate in there, Ian, who's flogging it.
[1411.3] Frank: So your trailer here, it looks like you've got almost like a sidecar as well.
[1416.3] Martin Rye: It is, yeah.
[1417.3] Martin Rye: Everyone calls it the coffin, but that's got...
[1419.3] Martin Rye: It's a hinged lid.
[1421.3] Martin Rye: And I put all my beekeeping stuff in there.
[1424.3] Martin Rye: And then the pickup at the back, I can carry pickup stuff
[1427.3] Martin Rye: and take water up to the birds and just carry quite a bit.
[1432.3] Martin Rye: It's quite good.
[1434.3] Martin Rye: It's more of a chill thing, really, just for driving around.
[1438.3] Martin Rye: Everyone has fun in it. It's good.
[1442.3] Martin Rye: So when I'm running that, it's just in manual mode.
[1445.3] Martin Rye: It's not in acro or anything like that.
[1450.3] Martin Rye: Just normal manual.
[1451.3] Martin Rye: That takes some tuning to get that right.
[1453.3] Martin Rye: You can just get manual right.
[1455.3] Martin Rye: The speed controller's got acceleration, deceleration,
[1460.3] Martin Rye: ramping this, ramping that.
[1462.3] Martin Rye: Then you've got the bloody flight controller.
[1466.3] Jack: Have you got a side accelerator as well to keep the low range?
[1472.3] Martin Rye: I just find steering really twitchy and I've been trying loads of stuff.
[1475.3] Martin Rye: I've tried the expo on the transmitter.
[1478.3] Martin Rye: I've changed the weight.
[1481.3] Martin Rye: The weight didn't help.
[1482.3] Martin Rye: Then there's a function in RG Rover or RG Pilot
[1487.3] Martin Rye: that you can make it less twitchy.
[1491.3] Martin Rye: I've tried that, but it does make it less twitchy,
[1494.3] Martin Rye: but as soon as you turn left or right,
[1496.3] Martin Rye: the bloody thing just slows down.
[1500.3] Martin Rye: Yeah, lots of mixing and stuff going on,
[1503.3] Martin Rye: but that's all part of the learning curve, really.
[1506.3] Martin Rye: But what is nice, when you're FPVing it,
[1511.3] Martin Rye: you can just stop and take your goggles off
[1513.3] Martin Rye: and go and do something and just come back.
[1516.3] Martin Rye: Whereas when you're flying a drone,
[1518.3] Martin Rye: you've got to see it to the end, haven't you?
[1520.3] Stephen: It's quite nice to be able to do that,
[1522.3] Stephen: just stop and something screaming at you.
[1525.3] Martin Rye: Oh, fossil.
[1527.3] Martin Rye: We let you on your own for too long, don't we?
[1532.3] Martin Rye: Have you seen that thing?
[1533.3] Jack: Yeah, I played it just a moment ago.
[1536.3] Jack: I can play it again if you want.
[1538.3] Jack: No, no, no, I can't see.
[1540.3] Jack: I don't think that was fossil going through the long run.
[1543.3] Jack: No, no, no, no, no, no.
[1545.3] Frank: I don't think that was fossil going through the long run.
[1548.3] Frank: Yeah, it was.
[1549.3] Frank: Yeah, it was.
[1550.3] Frank: Was it?
[1551.3] Frank: Yeah.
[1552.3] Frank: That's definitely fossil.
[1555.3] Jack: You can hear the creaking.
[1557.3] Jack: Everyone thinks it's the chassis, but it's his joints.
[1560.3] Jack: Probably.
[1561.3] Jack: Probably.
[1562.3] Jack: These are...
[1563.3] Martin Rye: I know.
[1564.3] Martin Rye: Have you guys messed...
[1565.3] Martin Rye: Have you guys...
[1566.3] Martin Rye: Have you messed around with RG pilot?
[1568.3] Martin Rye: I did a rover or two, but I've just used iNav so far,
[1571.3] Stephen: so you don't mess around with the RG rover yet.
[1574.3] Stephen: Not yet.
[1575.3] Martin Rye: No, no, I've got a couple of people are running it,
[1578.3] Stephen: but I just wanted to mess around FPV,
[1581.3] Stephen: so I just tried iNav so far.
[1583.3] Stephen: Yeah.
[1584.3] Stephen: I'm surprised Frank isn't a master of it,
[1587.3] Jack: because Frank is a freak in the Google Sheets.
[1591.3] Jack: Right.
[1592.3] Jack: You know what I mean?
[1593.3] Jack: He does put me off.
[1594.3] Jack: I thought I should just sit down and watch.
[1598.3] Stephen: What Frank could do with a parameter list.
[1600.3] Jack: I did make an RG pilot tail sitter wing,
[1607.3] Frank: but it didn't end very well.
[1611.3] Frank: Frank, you've seen the full parameter list then,
[1613.3] Frank: you know, RG pilot, yeah?
[1614.3] Frank: It's scary.
[1615.3] Frank: Yeah.
[1616.3] UNKNOWN: It's daunting.
[1617.3] Martin Rye: Yeah.
[1618.3] Martin Rye: Well, I've got the same in RG rover.
[1621.3] Frank: You just know the surface of it.
[1623.3] Martin Rye: It's just so powerful.
[1625.3] Martin Rye: It's unbelievable.
[1626.3] Martin Rye: It would take several millennia for me and Tony to read any of that.
[1633.3] Jack: I don't understand it.
[1636.3] Jack: It is hours and hours of reading,
[1638.3] Jack: hours of reading and forums and questions,
[1641.3] Jack: and I don't think it's going to serve a lot of people.
[1644.3] Martin Rye: It's not going to.
[1645.3] Martin Rye: It's not going to.
[1646.3] Martin Rye: It's not going to.
[1647.3] Martin Rye: It's not going to.
[1648.3] Martin Rye: It's not going to.
[1649.3] Martin Rye: Oh, God, this goes over, yeah.
[1654.3] Martin Rye: Well, it's a bit like a beta flight when you first start, isn't it?
[1657.3] Jack: No.
[1658.3] Stephen: Yeah.
[1659.3] Stephen: Or hours and hours.
[1661.3] Stephen: So going, hey, you're drab.
[1665.3] Stephen: Yeah.
[1666.3] Frank: Was it Ben Gramel who said he spent ages and ages and ages
[1673.3] Frank: learning RG pilot well enough to do all the stuff that he does.
[1677.3] Frank: And then, like, someone introduced him to iNav,
[1680.3] Frank: and he just opened it up.
[1681.3] Frank: It's like, oh, this is a million times easier.
[1684.3] Frank: Why am I not doing this?
[1686.3] Martin Rye: It would be for the flying.
[1687.3] Martin Rye: He does.
[1688.3] Martin Rye: Yeah, definitely.
[1689.3] Martin Rye: It's got swarming capabilities.
[1692.3] Martin Rye: Yeah.
[1693.3] Martin Rye: Oh, it just goes on and on and on.
[1695.3] Stephen: But you could tell by like the board sizes that it needs.
[1698.3] Stephen: You need like lots and lots of storage to run the full builds.
[1701.3] Stephen: Don't you?
[1702.3] Stephen: These days, I think that they're excluded.
[1704.3] Stephen: Yeah.
[1706.3] Martin Rye: I'm running the orange cube.
[1708.3] Martin Rye: Cube plus, is it?
[1710.3] Stephen: Sound like an H7 under the hood.
[1712.3] Martin Rye: Yeah, basically.
[1713.3] Martin Rye: Bloody temperature control.
[1715.3] Martin Rye: Yeah.
[1716.3] Martin Rye: Fancy box.
[1717.3] Martin Rye: Yeah.
[1718.3] Jack: Isn't it just like the original?
[1723.3] Jack: What was that, Jack?
[1724.3] Jack: Miss that.
[1726.3] Jack: Pixel box with an orange box in the middle of it.
[1730.3] Frank: It don't exist anymore.
[1731.3] Frank: It's not a pixel.
[1732.3] Frank: Don't call it a pixel.
[1733.3] Frank: You'll get shots.
[1734.3] Frank: You'll get abducted and taken to a dark room.
[1739.3] Frank: And you'll have your eyes stretched open while you're shown lots of cubes.
[1744.3] Frank: Say that again, then, Jack.
[1746.3] Martin Rye: Pixel's still coming up all the time on the forums.
[1750.58] Martin Rye: Why does it do voodoo?
[1753.58] Stephen: So everyone does talk.
[1754.58] Stephen: It doesn't exist anymore.
[1755.58] Stephen: Is it just a brand name they stop using or what?
[1759.58] Martin Rye: It don't exist.
[1760.58] Martin Rye: Frank won't say the word.
[1761.58] Martin Rye: He hasn't said it, has he?
[1762.58] Martin Rye: You can't say it.
[1764.58] Frank: I think it's one of these situations where like someone's tried to have it.
[1773.02] Frank: It was a generic thing to begin with.
[1776.02] Frank: And then someone's been like, actually, no, I'd quite like to keep this for myself.
[1779.02] Frank: And then it's I think there's all sorts of sort of bother about trademarks and who owns
[1784.02] Frank: what.
[1787.02] Frank: They sort of tried to drop the pixel name and use cubes instead.
[1792.02] Jack: It's like the Eagle Tree vector.
[1794.02] Jack: You're not allowed to refer to that by anything either.
[1799.02] Jack: Really?
[1800.02] Jack: Yeah.
[1801.02] Frank: Say it again, then.
[1804.02] Jack: No.
[1805.02] Frank: We want to end with a bang, don't we?
[1810.02] Stephen: A bang, not a lawsuit.
[1812.02] Stephen: They're not necessarily the same thing.
[1814.02] Jack: Yeah.
[1815.02] Jack: Hang on.
[1816.02] Jack: Let me let me just let me just cover everything.
[1821.02] Jack: I am an idiot.
[1823.02] Jack: Don't listen to me.
[1825.02] Jack: My views.
[1826.02] Jack: I don't know what a pixel is and I cannot be trusted.
[1829.02] Jack: And my views are personal and do not reflect the view of Frank Frank.
[1836.02] Jack: Yeah, that sounds about right.
[1838.02] Jack: We'll go with legal notice.
[1844.07] Jack: Do not take a legal advice from podcasts.
[1847.07] Frank: Yeah, especially this one.
[1850.07] Jack: And do not be on fire.
[1853.07] Jack: Be careful around busy roads.
[1855.07] Jack: Don't take our advice.
[1858.74] Martin Rye: So we're not in big trouble then.
[1860.74] Martin Rye: We are more than usual.
[1863.74] Frank: Yeah.
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[1889.74] Frank: Let's drone out.
[1891.74] Stephen: There's so many things you could put on this platform.
[1894.74] Stephen: You've got so much space.
[1895.74] Stephen: They've got so much carrying capacity.
[1898.74] Stephen: For activities.
[1899.74] Stephen: What direction are you going to take this thing in?
[1901.74] Stephen: It could do almost anything if you wanted it to.
[1904.74] Martin Rye: Yeah.
[1905.74] Martin Rye: Well, I'd like to mess around with it.
[1906.74] Martin Rye: It looks like it covers boats as well.
[1909.74] Martin Rye: So I got involved with a company.
[1911.74] Martin Rye: We built a boat the other day.
[1913.74] Stephen: But you were going to say it's really waterproof for a second there.
[1916.74] Martin Rye: Yeah, it is.
[1917.74] Martin Rye: But they're working on an autonomous one.
[1919.74] Martin Rye: We're doing a lot of tanks for autonomous boats.
[1922.74] Martin Rye: Big, big 20, 30 meter things.
[1925.74] Martin Rye: But the other thing I was you were over would do.
[1928.74] Martin Rye: How about this boys?
[1930.74] Martin Rye: It does balance box so you can have the two wheeled by the segways.
[1935.74] Martin Rye: It's got the firmware for that.
[1938.74] Martin Rye: You can configure it for a balance box.
[1941.74] Martin Rye: So I'm thinking about doing one of those one day.
[1945.74] Martin Rye: Yeah, there's some good examples of them.
[1947.74] Martin Rye: If you check out the documentation, it's quite good.
[1951.74] Frank: Could it tow a car?
[1954.74] Martin Rye: Yeah, the robot has a car.
[1956.74] Martin Rye: Yeah.
[1957.74] Martin Rye: I'm trying to find the video and I couldn't find it.
[1959.74] Martin Rye: I'm going to send it up.
[1961.74] Martin Rye: I got it towing a Mercedes people carrier in the car park.
[1966.74] Martin Rye: I just got a big strap around his tow ball.
[1969.74] Martin Rye: But the other end of the strap around my tow ball,
[1971.74] Martin Rye: I pulled him about 30 meters, I suppose.
[1975.74] Martin Rye: A lot.
[1976.74] Martin Rye: Yeah.
[1977.74] Martin Rye: He's got some incredible.
[1981.74] Frank: You can go out this winter and tow people out of the snow.
[1986.74] Frank: Yeah.
[1988.74] Stephen: I don't know.
[1989.74] Stephen: I don't know.
[1991.74] Stephen: But a sledge behind it, just like just messing around.
[1995.74] Stephen: Clear the snow from your drive.
[1998.74] Martin Rye: We don't get any bloody snow nowadays.
[2004.74] Stephen: Just towing someone in a little skit behind it would be a lot of fun.
[2009.74] Stephen: Yeah.
[2011.74] Martin Rye: I think there was a trailer.
[2013.74] Martin Rye: I keep thinking about potential of helping out disabled people with it.
[2018.74] Martin Rye: Yeah.
[2019.74] Martin Rye: I'm thinking about like Queen Elizabeth Country Park near us,
[2022.74] Martin Rye: where they have them on the trails.
[2024.74] Martin Rye: And I'm wondering if there's a lot of people who can't actually get round.
[2027.74] Martin Rye: So you can sit them in the trailer or two people in a double two-man trailer
[2032.74] Martin Rye: and have it running a mission around the park.
[2035.74] Martin Rye: And then they could just flick it off, get out if they can,
[2039.74] Martin Rye: have a look around, get back in.
[2040.74] Stephen: I wonder if you could have a hitch that goes onto a wheelchair.
[2044.74] Stephen: Yeah.
[2045.74] Stephen: Get out of a trailer.
[2046.74] Stephen: Yeah.
[2047.74] Martin Rye: To take them.
[2048.74] Martin Rye: That would be no problem.
[2050.74] Martin Rye: But I know there are off-road wheelchairs about,
[2053.74] Martin Rye: but I imagine they're very expensive.
[2055.74] Martin Rye: Yeah.
[2056.74] Martin Rye: They wouldn't be autonomous.
[2059.74] Martin Rye: Whereas if you have like a set track, a bit like going round a zoo
[2065.74] Martin Rye: on the little trains, you know, you've got the little trains go round a bit like that.
[2069.74] Martin Rye: But out in the sticks of it.
[2073.74] Martin Rye: Just an idea, I think.
[2075.74] Martin Rye: Yeah.
[2077.74] Martin Rye: And then there's a show coming up, the autonomous ground,
[2082.74] Martin Rye: the AGV show that Excel in September, I think it is.
[2087.74] Martin Rye: That's going to be interesting.
[2088.74] Martin Rye: There's lots of stuff.
[2089.74] Martin Rye: Look a bit like the Rover, a bit more military.
[2093.74] Martin Rye: They're setting them into the front line,
[2096.74] Martin Rye: pulling out people, you know, trips that are injured,
[2101.74] Martin Rye: taking ammo to the front line.
[2105.74] Martin Rye: But it needs to be a bigger vehicle for that.
[2107.74] Martin Rye: So that's the next stage.
[2109.74] Martin Rye: I think there's a bigger one.
[2111.74] Martin Rye: They want to be able to put a bus.
[2114.74] Jack: Yeah.
[2116.74] Jack: Menice asks, what's the top speed?
[2120.74] Martin Rye: Oh, that's a good question.
[2122.74] Martin Rye: I've had 10K out of it with the one to eight gearboxes.
[2128.74] Martin Rye: And now it's running 3K with the one to 32 gearboxes.
[2136.74] Martin Rye: But it's got so much more torque.
[2140.74] Martin Rye: I don't need to go fast.
[2141.74] Martin Rye: It's bloody bumpy when you go fast anyway.
[2144.74] Martin Rye: There's no suspension on it.
[2147.74] Martin Rye: So I'm happy pulling around at one and a half, two meters a second.
[2151.74] Martin Rye: It's a lovely comfortable speed.
[2153.74] Martin Rye: Good mowing speed.
[2156.74] Martin Rye: But yeah, it depends on the gearbox.
[2159.74] Stephen: When you say mowing, what attachment do you have on it for the mowing?
[2163.74] Martin Rye: Oh, I've got the four foot wide ATV mow
[2168.74] Martin Rye: with the 16 horsepower petrol engine driving three blades.
[2173.74] Martin Rye: Wow.
[2175.74] Martin Rye: So, yeah, that's what throws it around.
[2178.74] Jack: Hang on, Steven.
[2182.05] Jack: Let me just get you a video of said mower.
[2188.05] Martin Rye: Would smoke be good for your ground row?
[2193.05] Martin Rye: It's great.
[2194.05] Martin Rye: Is he saying smoke packages?
[2197.05] Jack: Now look, see the mower and it's connected to the tow ball.
[2201.05] Martin Rye: Oh, yeah.
[2203.05] Jack: Yeah.
[2204.05] Martin Rye: Oh, okay.
[2205.05] Martin Rye: That's the next story, guys.
[2207.05] Martin Rye: I've started modifying that mower into an autonomous mower.
[2211.05] Martin Rye: I'm going to get rid of the rover.
[2214.05] Martin Rye: So I've got casters.
[2217.05] Jack: What this dangerous piece of machinery needs is spinning blades.
[2222.05] Jack: Fairly.
[2225.05] Jack: You can't press an emergency switch if you have no hands or limbs.
[2231.05] Stephen: Just jump over the spinning blades and hit the stop.
[2235.05] Stephen: It would be fine.
[2237.05] Martin Rye: No, it would be all right.
[2239.05] Martin Rye: It's got range finder on it.
[2241.05] Jack: Top speed, one to a hundred nugget.
[2248.54] Frank: What other ideas you've got for it?
[2251.54] Frank: I like the pulling people out of the battlefield idea.
[2256.54] Martin Rye: Yeah, it's still primarily still marketing
[2261.54] Martin Rye: or will be marketing as a surveillance vehicle.
[2264.54] Martin Rye: But at the end of the day, it's a platform.
[2267.54] Martin Rye: You can do a lot of things with it.
[2269.54] Martin Rye: People would come up with their own ideas.
[2272.54] Martin Rye: When it went to the CTX show last year,
[2275.54] Martin Rye: the Mexican government were interested in it
[2278.54] Martin Rye: for towing ground-penetrating radar to find dead bodies.
[2284.54] Martin Rye: Nothing became of it.
[2286.54] Martin Rye: I know they did carry on with it because they actually found the bodies.
[2289.54] Martin Rye: It was in the news.
[2290.54] Martin Rye: It was basically drug cartels burying people.
[2293.54] Martin Rye: When it was the news of the dead people,
[2296.54] Martin Rye: they approached the government and said,
[2298.54] Martin Rye: you've got to find our kids or whatever.
[2301.54] Martin Rye: So I'm not sure whether they used the radar for that.
[2305.54] Martin Rye: And what was the other application?
[2307.54] Martin Rye: Something else came.
[2308.54] Martin Rye: Anyway, it's just got loads of whatever you can think of,
[2311.54] Martin Rye: and it can be tweaked to suit the application, I think, quite quickly,
[2316.54] Martin Rye: especially with the plastic fabrication.
[2320.54] Martin Rye: That's what we do with the tanks, really.
[2323.54] Martin Rye: Custom-built.
[2324.54] Martin Rye: We can sort of turn them around fairly quick.
[2326.54] Frank: You might have to explain the tanks,
[2328.54] Frank: because after this, people might have a different sort of tank in their mind.
[2332.54] Martin Rye: Yeah, they're not bang-bang tanks.
[2334.54] Martin Rye: No, they're tanks for boats.
[2336.54] Martin Rye: Water tanks, fuel tanks,
[2339.54] Martin Rye: and toilet waste tanks, I'll be polite, as I'm wondering.
[2343.54] Jack: This clip needs Terry Bush, maybe tomorrow, playing.
[2350.54] Jack: What clip?
[2351.54] Jack: The rover crossing Boeing.
[2357.54] Jack: Maybe the littlest rover.
[2359.54] Stephen: You want to get your stripes really, really perfect.
[2361.54] Stephen: I mean, having an autonomous rover,
[2363.54] Stephen: it's just got to be the way to do it, right?
[2365.54] Martin Rye: Very, very amazing straight-making.
[2367.54] Martin Rye: That's the result.
[2368.54] Martin Rye: I sent that little video into 4QD, the speed controller people.
[2374.54] Martin Rye: They ran a little video competition,
[2376.54] Martin Rye: and I only had two days to go, so I just bung that up there.
[2379.54] Martin Rye: I didn't win, but anyway,
[2381.54] Martin Rye: I managed to get a 25% voucher off the speed controller,
[2385.54] Martin Rye: which I needed another one, for the motor.
[2387.54] Martin Rye: So that was a bit of a result.
[2389.54] Martin Rye: Nice.
[2390.54] Frank: What's the cross-section of the motor about?
[2393.54] Frank: Cross-section of the motor.
[2395.54] Martin Rye: No, that's the cross-section is the FPV.
[2400.54] Martin Rye: That's the VISTA in a 3D printed shroud.
[2405.54] Martin Rye: That was a pain, the VISTA,
[2406.54] Martin Rye: because in the aluminum tube that holds it up,
[2409.54] Martin Rye: I ended up having to mount a 40 millimeter PC fan
[2414.54] Martin Rye: to cool the VISTA,
[2415.54] Martin Rye: because when you're not moving it, it's got no airflow over it.
[2419.54] Martin Rye: It's not like being in a drone.
[2421.54] Martin Rye: But that's all waterproof.
[2422.54] Martin Rye: I could still wash it down.
[2426.54] Martin Rye: It's sort of got loads of holes around the little rim
[2429.54] Martin Rye: so it can breathe.
[2431.54] Martin Rye: And then the camera's just glued in the front there.
[2434.54] Jack: Oh, is this a little air?
[2437.54] Martin Rye: Yeah, there's loads of little holes around the outside.
[2440.54] Martin Rye: Yeah, and the VISTA's mounted to the roof,
[2442.54] Martin Rye: so the water can't run down over the VISTA.
[2445.54] Martin Rye: It seems to be holding up.
[2447.54] Martin Rye: Every time I plug it in, it still works.
[2450.54] Stephen: Nice.
[2451.54] Stephen: Do you have moisture sensors and things inside
[2453.54] Stephen: just to monitor the state of the terms?
[2455.54] Martin Rye: No, I've got any temperatures, even, just to keep...
[2458.54] Martin Rye: I've got...
[2459.54] Martin Rye: The fans come on.
[2460.54] Martin Rye: Basically, I've run a little temperature controller,
[2463.54] Martin Rye: and the sensors take to one of the motors.
[2467.54] Martin Rye: So when the motors get to 35 degrees,
[2470.54] Martin Rye: the fans kick in,
[2473.54] Martin Rye: and they never actually cool it down.
[2475.54] Martin Rye: The temperature just keeps going up and up and up.
[2478.54] Martin Rye: But much slower than when I didn't have fans.
[2483.54] Stephen: Other than that, yeah...
[2484.54] Stephen: How much do you think it would take to keep it at steady state
[2486.54] Stephen: for kind of unlimited operation?
[2488.54] Stephen: Is that achievable, do you think?
[2490.54] Stephen: Say that again, Sim, sorry?
[2492.54] Stephen: Do you think it would be possible to cool it,
[2494.54] Stephen: to dissipate the maximum power output so it could...
[2497.54] Stephen: Oh, yeah, yeah.
[2498.54] Martin Rye: Yeah, I think, as I said earlier,
[2500.54] Martin Rye: I need to get away from sealing it up in a box
[2502.54] Martin Rye: and let it breathe in some way.
[2505.54] Martin Rye: I mean, possible.
[2506.54] Martin Rye: Maybe a chassis and a body, yeah.
[2510.54] Jack: I mean...
[2511.54] Jack: Ducts and filters.
[2512.54] Jack: I don't want to encourage this sort of thing,
[2515.54] Jack: but you could fill it full of mineral oil
[2519.54] Jack: and then have external radiators...
[2522.54] Stephen: Or have a cooling loop.
[2524.54] Stephen: You know, just a simple cooling loop.
[2526.54] Stephen: So you have liquid next to the hot components,
[2529.54] Stephen: and then it's moved outside the chassis
[2531.54] Stephen: where it can cool on the external layer
[2533.54] Stephen: and then be circulated back in.
[2535.54] Frank: You have to fridge to get a heat pump.
[2538.54] Martin Rye: I'm not sure.
[2539.54] Martin Rye: It only needs to be rainproof.
[2541.54] Martin Rye: It's not going to be going underwater.
[2544.54] Martin Rye: That's why I think I need to get away from sealing it up
[2547.54] Martin Rye: and put all the fancy electronics in a waterproof box.
[2553.54] Martin Rye: That will still need to be cooled,
[2555.54] Martin Rye: but as long as it's all well covered.
[2557.54] Martin Rye: No, I think it can be done without too much problems,
[2561.54] Martin Rye: especially with, like I said,
[2565.54] Martin Rye: the plastic for the fabrication.
[2567.54] Martin Rye: We can do all sorts of that.
[2569.54] Martin Rye: I can drill lots of holes in my router.
[2573.54] Jack: Oh, look.
[2574.54] Jack: There's this little antenna mushroom thing.
[2579.54] Jack: Oh, it's a piece of wood.
[2581.54] Martin Rye: Oh, you found something else.
[2588.04] Jack: No, we just...
[2589.04] Jack: You know, that's what the cross-section was,
[2592.04] Jack: wasn't it?
[2595.04] Martin Rye: The cross-section, I remember sending you,
[2597.04] Martin Rye: was the vest mounted in the model.
[2599.04] Jack: Yeah, no, we see it in real life.
[2601.04] Jack: It looks like some sort of demented Tesla coil.
[2606.04] Martin Rye: Yeah, because the antenna...
[2609.04] Martin Rye: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[2610.04] Jack: I can see it now.
[2611.04] Jack: See it.
[2612.04] Jack: Yeah.
[2613.04] Jack: Are they...
[2615.04] Jack: Is that like a sort of like locking slip
[2620.67] Jack: in for the toe arm at the front?
[2624.67] Jack: No, you had one in the middle, didn't they?
[2626.67] Frank: That's where the camera was originally.
[2628.67] Frank: Yeah.
[2629.67] Martin Rye: Yeah, what I bought, what I do,
[2632.67] Martin Rye: and on that middle ball, everything mounts to that.
[2634.67] Martin Rye: I bought, you know, these bike racks you get on,
[2637.67] Martin Rye: you can clip onto toe balls.
[2639.67] Martin Rye: Yeah.
[2640.67] Martin Rye: Well, I bought from that guy, the back rack guy,
[2644.67] Martin Rye: it's just the clamp that goes on the ball, then a casting,
[2647.67] Martin Rye: and off the casting is like a steel bar sort of thing.
[2653.67] Martin Rye: And I bolt everything to that, and you can just literally
[2657.67] Martin Rye: undo the bolt, lift everything off, drop the next one on.
[2661.67] Martin Rye: So the light, the red light bar and the FPV are on one.
[2666.67] Martin Rye: I've got a laptop holder.
[2669.67] Martin Rye: All sorts of things I clip on there.
[2674.67] Martin Rye: Yeah, it's well used for that system.
[2676.67] Martin Rye: Quite heavy, but weight doesn't really seem to matter.
[2679.67] Stephen: Well, on the ground, it's much easier to deal with, right?
[2682.67] Martin Rye: Yeah.
[2684.67] Martin Rye: Yeah, I'd like to say there's loads more pictures,
[2689.67] Martin Rye: and I could have forged it with more stuff for hours, really.
[2692.67] Stephen: Is it limited at all in kind of inclines it can tackle,
[2696.67] Stephen: or has it pretty much got enough torque to do anything?
[2699.67] Martin Rye: Well, it goes up most slopes.
[2702.67] Martin Rye: I suppose it'll do 40 degrees.
[2705.67] Martin Rye: If you climb a stack of pallets, done that,
[2709.67] Martin Rye: like a load of pallet stuff, it'll just sort of go over them.
[2712.67] Martin Rye: But the only, well, one of the biggest problems with this one
[2715.67] Martin Rye: is the ground clearance isn't very good between the wheels.
[2718.67] Martin Rye: In fact, it's only probably three inches.
[2722.67] Martin Rye: So the next one is going to have a lot more ground clearance.
[2726.67] Martin Rye: The whole body comes up.
[2728.67] Martin Rye: It's stuck on stuff.
[2730.67] Martin Rye: Yeah, because I've tried to drive over,
[2732.67] Martin Rye: set back in the fields, and I've actually been like a turtle
[2736.67] Martin Rye: where it can't go to where the wheels are just spinning.
[2739.67] Martin Rye: I think it's like a breeze block or something I ended up on,
[2743.67] Martin Rye: or a giant bloody motor.
[2745.67] Stephen: So does that mean bigger wheels, bigger chassis,
[2747.67] Stephen: more talking motors as well?
[2749.67] Martin Rye: Yeah, well, they're 13-inch diameter tires.
[2751.67] Martin Rye: I'm going to be looking at 16 to 18-inch diameter tires,
[2754.67] Martin Rye: I think, on the next one, and much wider.
[2757.67] Martin Rye: I need a lot more grip.
[2759.67] Stephen: Are you going to stay with four wheels,
[2761.67] Stephen: or are you tempted to go crazy and add more wheels onto it?
[2764.67] Martin Rye: No, no, no, no.
[2767.67] Martin Rye: Well, yeah, I've considered that,
[2769.67] Martin Rye: but I do like the wheels.
[2772.67] Jack: I want crushing and entanglement.
[2777.67] Martin Rye: But the mower will only have the two wheels
[2780.67] Martin Rye: and then casters at the back.
[2783.67] Martin Rye: So it will trail the casters.
[2785.67] Martin Rye: So essentially, it will still be skid steer,
[2788.67] Martin Rye: but with just two wheels rather than the four,
[2791.67] Martin Rye: and the back end will just follow whatever the front does.
[2795.67] Frank: I've seen at Duxford, I think it was at Duxford,
[2802.67] Frank: there was a Spitfire being driven around
[2804.67] Frank: by a little RC Rover tank thing.
[2807.67] Frank: I feel like that was a tiny little one relative to this.
[2812.67] Frank: I feel like that could probably push round
[2815.67] Frank: some like 747 type thing,
[2817.67] Frank: in comparison to what this thing was pushing around.
[2820.67] Martin Rye: Yeah, I guess it would have used a bigger version
[2825.67] Martin Rye: so that you could pull aircraft around.
[2829.67] Frank: I really don't think it needs to be that much bigger.
[2834.67] Martin Rye: It's kind of useful when it's small.
[2836.67] Stephen: You can get it through gaps and move it around.
[2839.67] Martin Rye: Oh, yeah, no, I'll still hang on to this design,
[2841.67] Martin Rye: but it will eventually want a little bit
[2843.67] Martin Rye: of more ground clearance, which will be...
[2846.67] Martin Rye: Oh, I can't show you the picture of a new one.
[2849.67] Martin Rye: That looks like a Cybertruck.
[2851.67] Martin Rye: Imagine a Cybertruck with ground clearance.
[2858.67] Jack: Can you not send it to me by WhatsApp for old time's sake?
[2864.67] Martin Rye: Yeah, the new one.
[2867.67] Jack: Oh, I eagerly look forward to these.
[2871.67] Jack: For our listeners at home,
[2874.67] Jack: he sent me one, a video that was mini DVI,
[2883.67] Jack: whatever the hell that is, something I've never heard of.
[2887.67] Jack: Yeah, I was just waiting for like Umatic or Hi-A,
[2894.67] Jack: even I was expecting at one point.
[2898.67] Jack: Play the disc.
[2899.67] Stephen: Be careful because if you submit to high temperatures,
[2902.67] Stephen: it will combust.
[2905.67] Martin Rye: What are you chatting about?
[2907.67] Frank: You!
[2908.67] Frank: Your video format.
[2911.67] Frank: Can I come up with yours?
[2913.67] Jack: DVI X.
[2915.67] Jack: I would have took ASF, really, honestly.
[2922.67] Jack: What's that for?
[2923.67] Jack: Mini DVI.
[2927.02] Jack: I was like, what is that?
[2929.02] Stephen: I think you should get it off, Sony.
[2932.02] Stephen: The first generation of digital camcorders,
[2934.02] Stephen: you'd be like, oh, you've been transcribed from your tape
[2936.02] Stephen: onto this unhelpful video format.
[2938.02] Stephen: I think that was Mini DVI.
[2941.02] Jack: I knew I should have contacted Steven.
[2944.02] Jack: Steven would have...
[2946.02] Stephen: One of those answers to some bullshit question.
[2949.02] Stephen: Yeah, no problem, mate.
[2950.02] Stephen: I've put you covered.
[2955.02] Stephen: Anyone would know it'd be you, mate.
[2958.02] Stephen: Anything else going on in the world of fossil stuff?
[2961.02] Stephen: It sounds like this has taken a lot of time and energy.
[2964.02] Martin Rye: I see them, yeah.
[2966.02] Martin Rye: They're still flying occasionally,
[2968.02] Martin Rye: I like the Tomahawk,
[2970.02] Martin Rye: and I get the S3 out,
[2972.02] Martin Rye: have a blast round with that occasionally.
[2974.02] Stephen: I remember Tony was very happy about the Tomahawk,
[2977.02] Stephen: weren't you, Tony?
[2978.02] Martin Rye: I was.
[2979.02] Martin Rye: Yeah, mine's for some reason flying actually beautifully
[2981.02] Martin Rye: at the minute.
[2983.02] Martin Rye: It's because Tony doesn't own it.
[2986.02] Martin Rye: It used to have a bit of a problem,
[2988.02] Martin Rye: but Tony had the same problem
[2990.02] Martin Rye: when it was you back off the throttle
[2992.02] Martin Rye: and it sort of vibrated a little bit
[2994.02] Martin Rye: when you're dropping.
[2996.02] Martin Rye: But that seems to have gone now.
[2998.02] Martin Rye: Maybe the propellers are getting bent up
[3000.02] Martin Rye: and not noticing it.
[3002.02] Jack: Lower anti-gravity.
[3007.02] Stephen: We had fun tuning, but that's still for another day.
[3010.02] Jack: No, can't talk.
[3012.02] Jack: What's all about that, Steven?
[3016.02] Martin Rye: I got asked to sell the CUAV equipment.
[3019.02] Martin Rye: I don't know whether you guys have heard of that.
[3021.02] Martin Rye: Have you heard of it, Frank?
[3023.02] Martin Rye: They encounter CUAV.
[3025.02] Martin Rye: CUAV from China.
[3027.02] Martin Rye: That's my GPS.
[3030.02] Stephen: Oh, you mean GPS manufacturers,
[3033.02] Stephen: like Tourpenny.
[3036.02] Martin Rye: They build some beautiful stuff.
[3038.02] Martin Rye: It's all the case from your machined aluminium.
[3042.02] Martin Rye: Oh, really?
[3043.02] Martin Rye: Oh, God, yeah.
[3044.02] Stephen: I thought you were talking about the GPS units,
[3046.02] Stephen: because I remember...
[3048.02] Stephen: Well, the GPS...
[3050.02] Martin Rye: Yeah, the bit that you plug the antennas into
[3055.02] Martin Rye: is beautifully made.
[3057.02] Martin Rye: Everything is really quite impressed.
[3060.02] Stephen: Machined aluminium rather than just usual.
[3062.02] Martin Rye: No, no, it's all machined aluminium.
[3064.02] Martin Rye: It's beautiful.
[3066.02] Martin Rye: All their flight controllers,
[3068.02] Martin Rye: they're getting into those now.
[3070.02] Stephen: So this is much more professional UAV stuff
[3073.02] Stephen: than just a...
[3074.02] Martin Rye: I think it is, yeah.
[3076.02] Martin Rye: Well, the GPS was about $450, $500 for the
[3081.38] Martin Rye: diagram.
[3083.02] Martin Rye: And then with the ground station,
[3087.02] Martin Rye: which was another lovely aluminium machine box,
[3092.02] Martin Rye: the whole lot was about $750, I think,
[3094.02] Martin Rye: to do the whole thing.
[3096.02] Stephen: Yeah, that's a far cry from the GPS units,
[3098.02] Stephen: I was saying, which were five.
[3102.02] Martin Rye: Oh, yeah, the whole thing was funny.
[3105.02] Martin Rye: But this is the...
[3107.02] Martin Rye: This is our D.K., is it?
[3108.02] Stephen: Yeah.
[3109.02] Stephen: All the bells and whistles.
[3110.02] Martin Rye: Yeah, it's going on the CAN bus, the GPS,
[3113.02] Martin Rye: which is obviously just plug it in and off you go.
[3116.02] Martin Rye: I think we're going to have to wrap it up
[3118.02] Frank: there or thereabouts.
[3120.02] Martin Rye: All right, guys, thanks for having me tonight.
[3122.02] Martin Rye: Thank you for coming on.
[3123.02] Martin Rye: That was great.
[3125.02] Martin Rye: When we get the second one built,
[3126.02] Martin Rye: and I'll give you a ring and show you some more
[3129.02] Martin Rye: pictures, maybe get my computer working.
[3131.02] Frank: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
[3133.02] Frank: Maybe we'll have to come and see it in person,
[3136.02] Frank: maybe something else.
[3138.02] Frank: Thank us for a ride around the building.
[3141.02] Martin Rye: You boys are welcome any time, you know that.
[3144.02] Martin Rye: They know you see what's going on.
[3146.02] Stephen: Looks absolutely fantastic.
[3147.02] Stephen: Can't wait to see what it turns into.
[3149.02] Jack: Can we bring stuff to run over,
[3152.02] Jack: like pumpkins and stuff?
[3155.02] Jack: Asking for Frank.
[3157.02] Martin Rye: I was going to run over you, Jack,
[3159.02] Martin Rye: couldn't I?
[3160.02] Martin Rye: See that.
[3162.02] Frank: I'll pay for that.
[3164.02] Frank: Pay for you.
[3165.02] Jack: It's highly inappropriate to masturbate
[3168.02] Jack: whilst watching Jack get me run over.
[3172.02] Jack: Well, it's the most enjoyable.
[3174.02] Martin Rye: Thanks for listening to my rubbish.
[3176.02] Martin Rye: I'm sorry about all that.
[3177.02] Martin Rye: No, it's fascinating.
[3178.02] Martin Rye: Thank you very much.
[3180.02] Stephen: Wonderful.
[3181.02] Stephen: It's great to see some new ideas coming out.
[3183.02] Stephen: That just looks awesome.
[3186.02] Martin Rye: Well, I just thought it'd be nice to talk about
[3188.02] Martin Rye: because it is like a ground drone, isn't it?
[3191.02] Martin Rye: Yeah.
[3192.02] Martin Rye: It's still a drone.
[3193.02] Jack: Fossil, it really is true July.
[3197.02] Jack: I talk on behalf of me and Tony.
[3201.02] Jack: We seriously miss you, mate.
[3204.02] Jack: It's always a pleasure talking to you.
[3207.02] Jack: It's fantastic that you haven't been put in a home.
[3212.02] Jack: The dementia hasn't fully set in yet.
[3216.02] Jack: Only to enough where you answer the phone to me and Tony,
[3220.02] Jack: which is good.
[3224.02] Jack: And yeah, like, God bless you.
[3227.02] Jack: Like, what an incredible.
[3229.02] Jack: And it's just, yeah, it's just like nothing brings a smile
[3235.02] Jack: quite like fossil riding around on a carpet with a lawnmower.
[3244.02] Jack: Fantastic.
[3245.02] Jack: Holdings can of beer.
[3247.02] Jack: Attached.
[3248.02] Jack: Yeah.
[3249.02] Jack: Yeah.
[3250.02] Martin Rye: Yeah.
[3251.02] Martin Rye: Going on a mission in the trailer.
[3252.02] Martin Rye: You can all try that.
[3253.02] Martin Rye: That's great.
[3254.02] Martin Rye: That sounds really good.
[3256.02] Jack: And Steven, I must say, a wonderful intro.
[3260.02] Jack: Thank you.
[3261.02] Jack: Thank you for fluffing for me.
[3264.02] Jack: That did not happen.
[3268.02] Jack: Reformatted every bizarre video format.
[3274.02] Martin Rye: Thank you for doing that, Jack.
[3276.02] Martin Rye: Cheers.
[3277.02] Stephen: Not a problem.
[3278.02] Stephen: But I think we should get people somewhere to go find this.
[3282.02] Stephen: So if they're interested in hearing more about the rover,
[3285.02] Stephen: where do they go, Fussell?
[3287.02] Martin Rye: Just give me a ring, really.
[3289.02] Martin Rye: Nothing's on the internet at all about it.
[3293.02] Martin Rye: It's all top.
[3294.02] Martin Rye: So I'm not top secret, but.
[3297.02] Martin Rye: They should ring tech.
[3300.02] Martin Rye: Thanks.
[3301.02] Martin Rye: Right.
[3302.02] Martin Rye: Yeah, you can ring.
[3303.02] Martin Rye: Thanks.
[3304.02] Martin Rye: But yeah, that's me.
[3305.02] Martin Rye: If anyone's interested.
[3306.02] Martin Rye: T-E-K.
[3307.02] Martin Rye: T-E-K.
[3308.02] Stephen: With X or something odd.
[3312.02] Martin Rye: With a K.
[3313.02] Martin Rye: No.
[3314.02] Martin Rye: T-A-N-K-S.
[3315.02] Martin Rye: Yeah.
[3317.02] Jack: I'll be sure to email this to my local library and convert it into microfish.
[3327.02] Jack: If you want to look at this, any of this stuff.
[3333.02] Jack: But yes, thank you.
[3334.02] Jack: That's all we got time for.
[3336.02] Jack: Let's try it out.
[3337.02] Jack: We're supported and loved by our wonderful patrons.
[3342.02] Jack: We love them equally as much.
[3344.02] Jack: If not more.
[3347.02] Jack: We've been joined by the wonderful fossil.
[3349.02] Jack: Fossil staff.
[3351.02] Jack: Greater than Rangi.
[3354.02] Jack: Shocked fired.
[3358.02] Jack: Yep.
[3361.46] Jack: Fossil.
[3362.46] Jack: It's been a pleasure.
[3363.46] Jack: Say goodbye.
[3364.46] Jack: Goodbye.
[3365.46] Martin Rye: Thanks for having me, everyone.
[3366.46] Martin Rye: See you soon.
[3367.46] Martin Rye: Bye.
[3368.46] Jack: Good luck with your new endeavor.
[3371.46] Jack: Joined by the wonderful Frank.
[3373.46] Jack: Bye.
[3374.46] Jack: The magnificent mustache, Steven.
[3377.46] Jack: Cheers.
[3378.46] Jack: Good night.
[3379.46] Jack: My cheating whore of a wife.
[3382.46] Jack: The divorce is finalized.
[3385.46] Jack: And I have been bright until I fly.
[3388.46] Jack: This has taken me right back to the old times when first in the hobby.
[3393.46] Jack: The fact that Menace is here and zero.
[3395.46] Jack: Oh, the nostalgia.
[3397.46] Jack: Thank you to everyone who showed up.
[3399.46] Jack: And you've been listening to Let's Show Now.
[3401.46] Jack: Thank you.
[3402.46] Jack: Good night.
[3403.46] Stephen: Bye.
[3404.46] Stephen: Telemetry loss.