=== Let's Drone Out — Episode 517 ===
Title: LDO 517 - Change of plan...
Recorded: 2025-07-24
Hosts: Jack "Brightontillifly" Nash, Stephen "Belrik" Howell, Wayne "CurryKitten" Andrews, Andrew "Frank" Hyams
Guest(s): (none recorded)
Total audience: 1,146
Platforms: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEGJlyC9roI); SoundCloud (http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/2137276365-letsdroneout-ldo-517-change-of-plan.mp3)
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[0.0] Jack: Hello, and you're listening to Let's Drone Out, a special thank you to our lovely patrons
[6.28] Jack: that help donate so that we can pay the editor to remove the swear words and silly things
[11.36] Jack: we say.
[13.0] Jack: Massive thank you to…
[14.4] Jack: Carlos Campos!
[16.0] Jack: Art Faulkner.
[17.84] Frank: Sam Dahmer.
[19.68] Frank: On with the show.
[20.68] Stephen: Let's drone out now.
[52.06] Jack: Hello, and you're listening to Let's Drone Out.
[56.26] Jack: Tonight we were supposed to have Chris Rosser on, but it doesn't look like…
[63.5] Jack: It might be me.
[64.5] Jack: I might have dropped the ball because I didn't notice the reply in the LDO email to confirm
[71.14] Jack: back, but he did select the date, so…
[75.66] Stephen: And it looks like we needed to do a follow-up, and as the follow-up wasn't forthcoming,
[80.78] Stephen: we have failed to grab Chris' attention, so it's probably us.
[85.22] Jack: I think it's me.
[88.22] Jack: I just completely forgot about it.
[90.26] Jack: I've been very unwell, as you know, and kind of dropped the ball.
[95.18] Jack: So don't blame Chris, it's probably me.
[99.62] Jack: But anyway, we are joined by everyone's favourite, Kerry Kitten.
[103.42] Jack: Hello!
[105.42] Jack: The man with the must-have star, Steven.
[107.22] Jack: Cheers.
[108.22] Jack: And I'm brightened till I fly, and you're listening to Let's Drone Out.
[112.3] Jack: How has everyone been?
[115.3] Jack: Busy, busy, busy.
[118.3] Jack: Not so bad.
[119.3] Jack: Shishy.
[120.3] Jack: Oi!
[121.3] Jack: How has Kerry's got so many pets on the go?
[124.46] Stephen: It's been really quiet until we start the show, it's like they know there's an awareness
[129.3] Stephen: there.
[130.3] Curry: My dog had to have an operation last Friday, and so I have been making sure she's not
[137.58] Curry: jumping around and doing stuff so she doesn't rip her stitches, which is not easy.
[142.86] Curry: So she's in with me at the moment because everyone else has gone out.
[145.54] Curry: And basically, a mouse has farted in next door's garden, so let's set her off.
[150.86] Stephen: Oh, God, here, tell me about it.
[152.86] Stephen: Bob and mouse farting, I mean, yeah.
[155.38] Stephen: Doesn't even need that.
[156.38] Stephen: She's off solving the world's problems by shouting at them.
[159.94] Jack: The old rats running around.
[163.78] Curry: I sent Jack a picture early in the week of my cat breaking in into a whole pack of Dreamies
[173.54] Curry: and then throwing them up later, which was nice of her.
[177.22] Jack: No!
[178.22] Curry: She ate so many, she vomited them back out again.
[181.22] Jack: Oh, poor little sausage.
[183.98] Jack: That's incorrect Dreamy use.
[187.87] Jack: Yeah, not many.
[188.87] Jack: I've had many, have I?
[190.27] Stephen: Well, clearly, I'm hoping he found the maximum amount of Dreamies a cat should have inadvertently.
[196.79] Stephen: Not half that.
[197.79] Stephen: Yeah, my cats are just weird, so I don't have to worry too much about them eating cat snacks.
[206.02] Stephen: They're too obsessed with eating everything else, basically.
[208.9] Stephen: They'll just be out there trying to find some nice bread rolls or a bit like greasy broccoli
[215.14] Stephen: and olive oil or something.
[216.98] Stephen: Right on that.
[217.98] Jack: So, Curry, you've bought a weird and wonderful device, I see.
[222.66] Curry: I have bought a, what's it called, a like V&A, because I was getting confused about 868 antennas
[230.74] Curry: and where they were tuned to.
[232.46] Curry: And with one of these things, you can check the tuning, so if I can, I have to go to recall
[239.98] Curry: that one.
[240.98] Curry: And now I can see, looking at this pretty picture, there's a little marker where the
[246.14] Curry: 868 mark is.
[247.9] Curry: And what I found out is that some companies, gosh, which reflects you, isn't it?
[252.14] Curry: Some companies tune 915, and others tune sort of around 900, so it's okay either side.
[259.5] Curry: But without asking them or getting one of these, so you can see, it's quite hard.
[263.82] Curry: You've got to do a bit of naming and shaming, mate.
[266.06] Curry: I'm convinced there's going to be a dropdown on the website to make it feel good.
[270.74] Curry: How these work.
[271.74] Curry: And they're complicated, because I'm not an RF person.
[274.98] Curry: I don't understand what all these graphs mostly are.
[278.86] Curry: So I've been going through lots of tutorials, and I still don't understand.
[281.74] Curry: And there's something called a Smith chart, which draws these weird circles and stuff.
[286.86] Curry: And I was like, what the hell's that?
[287.86] Curry: I'll show you one.
[288.86] Curry: Someone can see if they can figure it out.
[291.58] Curry: It's like, what the hell's that?
[292.58] Curry: Nobody knows.
[293.58] Jack: Is that for polarisation?
[294.58] Curry: I don't know what it's that.
[297.58] Curry: Number one is the fifth chart.
[299.58] Curry: Actually, you can view this on a computer as well.
[301.58] Curry: And that is now a weird circular thing that's gone funny.
[306.26] Curry: Who knows?
[307.26] Curry: You've got both of them overlaid.
[309.98] Curry: Yeah, you can put multiple traces on at the same time, see?
[315.74] Curry: Because I've got, I'll turn that one off.
[319.82] Curry: Like, the yellow is SWR, and the blue is reflected as a DVM value.
[327.74] Curry: So it tells me one particular signal is reflected or something.
[331.42] Curry: So yeah, that's my fun thing.
[335.42] Curry: Micro, no, like VNA, it's called.
[338.02] Curry: Vector Network Analyzer, which used to be thousands and thousands of pounds.
[343.22] Curry: But now you can do it at home.
[346.06] Jack: Pretty cool.
[347.06] Jack: Yeah.
[348.06] Jack: We need to get Menis on again.
[351.62] Jack: He'll teach us about that wonderful stuff.
[353.9] Jack: That would be handy.
[356.38] Jack: Has anybody been flying?
[359.38] Jack: No, I've just been ragingly ill.
[365.3] Stephen: I did build a network video recorder with a Raspberry Pi and a Google AI Accelerator.
[372.94] Stephen: That's what I basically did this week.
[375.14] Curry: Oh, that sounds fun.
[378.5] Curry: I'm going to go out tomorrow and test some new batteries.
[380.9] Curry: Do you want to see these batteries?
[382.14] Curry: They're quite interesting.
[384.02] Curry: I got here by Hobbyking, who said, can you have a look at some batteries?
[387.74] Curry: They are high-voltage batteries.
[389.26] Curry: I was like, oh, OK.
[390.26] Curry: So I think in the middle ones.
[392.82] Curry: Well, I've got like a one amp of an XT30 and a 1.5 amp with XT60, and then we went a bit
[400.94] Curry: crazy.
[401.94] Curry: Are they to be trusted?
[402.94] Curry: Are Hobbyking still a good brand?
[405.54] Curry: 6200 XT90.
[408.26] Curry: And just to go really for it, tomorrow I will be flying with this 9500 milliamp hour high
[414.22] Curry: voltage test battery.
[416.66] Curry: That looks like a very big battery with a quite small wire coming out of it.
[421.7] Stephen: It's got an XT90 on it.
[425.9] Stephen: How many amps is that going to have?
[427.7] Stephen: Is that one of these crazy 100C, like you can run a power tool of it type of batteries?
[433.1] Curry: It says it's 80C, but that's 9.5 amps times 80, which is quite a lot.
[442.98] Curry: It's probably a lie, but I don't know.
[445.78] Curry: So to do that, we have to go out with the bomb squad quad, obviously, because we need
[452.82] Curry: something big enough to do that.
[455.9] Curry: And I decided that I went with the idea that I'd try and take four quads out to fly these
[461.46] Curry: four batteries, but do a change on them, which meant I'm basically renaming them.
[467.82] Curry: So on that big 10-inch stupid quad that flew awfully, someone said in the comments, oh,
[474.14] Curry: I tried flashing the Helium 10 preset on it, and that worked much better.
[479.1] Curry: So I was like, ah, do that.
[481.1] Curry: See what happens.
[483.63] Curry: Any other stuff's got various beater flight upgrades, moving to ERS, that sort of stuff,
[490.43] Curry: rebuilds from previous things.
[491.79] Curry: It's all new, all new stuff.
[493.63] Curry: What can possibly go wrong?
[495.11] UNKNOWN: Nothing.
[496.11] Curry: Well, you'll tell us next week, I guess, for me.
[499.63] Curry: I'll tell you from the fire in the field.
[502.19] Jack: Yeah, I haven't even been brave enough to go over to my desk.
[507.83] Jack: I've still got about all the shoe gone.
[511.23] Jack: Still got another two ESCs to put on there before even wiring that little son of a gun
[518.67] Jack: up.
[519.67] Jack: And then I've got the historical quad back, and I do have some god-awful ESCs, some Afro
[531.39] Jack: ESCs to put on there.
[533.39] Jack: I don't know, Ben.
[534.39] Stephen: I thought Paul was his friend, but it's clearly not.
[537.47] Stephen: He states that, though.
[539.99] Jack: Yeah, but Curry, I might need your help flashing them with the flash tool thing.
[549.99] Jack: Flashing to what?
[551.99] Jack: Simon K.
[552.99] Curry: You're going to Simon K, not like, because I never had a flash tool for Simon K. I built
[562.98] Curry: one to do the original BL Heli stuff on some other ones.
[566.22] Curry: I can't remember which ones.
[567.7] Jack: Yeah, I think it was the same as the KK2 flash tool.
[572.14] Jack: Oh, is it?
[573.14] Jack: The USB, ASP.
[574.14] Jack: Oh, I've got one of those.
[577.14] Jack: Yeah.
[578.14] Jack: Yeah, I don't know.
[580.14] Jack: I don't think I'm going to flash BL Heli to it.
[584.58] Jack: I think I'm going to flash Simon K.
[588.06] Curry: Old school.
[590.06] Curry: Mm.
[591.06] Curry: More.
[592.06] Curry: What can go wrong?
[594.62] Curry: You've got to have it as much as possible.
[598.54] Curry: So you're going, you need to be like completely all old stuff and the worst possible.
[604.18] Curry: Are you going to fly this on PWM and stuff?
[606.62] Curry: Is this the plan?
[608.62] Curry: No.
[609.62] Curry: No, it's running crossfire.
[612.3] Curry: Well, make your mind up.
[613.3] Curry: Are you going authentic here or are you going antique?
[616.34] Jack: Which is it?
[617.34] Jack: Well, no, I didn't.
[618.34] Jack: I don't feel like the receivers, the performance, some radio radio is going around.
[625.22] Stephen: I'm sure you could pick one of those up for a couple of Bob probably and crash everything
[628.7] Stephen: into a hedge quite nicely for you.
[630.5] Stephen: Well, I mean, he does fly backwards into a hill on the crossfire.
[634.98] Stephen: The hill flew into him.
[635.98] Stephen: I think we've discerned that, haven't we?
[638.5] Stephen: Yeah.
[639.5] Curry: So it's okay to run a modern RX but not modern ESC.
[644.5] Curry: Yeah.
[645.5] Curry: That's the rules.
[647.5] Jack: That's the rules.
[649.94] Jack: Yeah.
[651.02] Jack: I mean, I don't know.
[652.34] Jack: I just kind of what I don't have a working free sky anything, you know, like I've got
[665.18] Jack: free sky receivers with like PPM and yeah, I could know not spectrum and you're wrong.
[678.3] Curry: You know, that's that's more old school for a sky.
[684.38] Curry: Yeah.
[685.38] Jack: Get your old ER.
[686.38] Jack: They still had a bus though, didn't they?
[688.5] Jack: Yeah, not not back in the day.
[690.3] Jack: I could use one of the unsupported Maytech PWM receivers, but I just I don't know.
[701.98] Jack: I just kind of put an EP one on there and just thought that would do just not gonna
[706.62] Jack: be enough.
[707.94] Stephen: We're not gonna be happy.
[708.94] Curry: I mean, Cole's gonna look at that and think, you know, if you wanted to fly half decently
[715.18] Curry: or as badly as possible, really being specific about the goal here.
[719.78] Stephen: So it looks like he's designing it to fly as badly as possible.
[724.46] Stephen: Then talks about it in this really romantic way, like it's going to be a life changing
[728.18] Stephen: experience.
[729.18] Jack: So I'm just not sure.
[730.18] Jack: No, no, no.
[731.18] Jack: The goal is to bring pain, you know, to call and a kind of.
[737.46] Stephen: Sexy religious way or well, then just make him quite a tricopter.
[742.42] Stephen: Yeah.
[743.42] Stephen: Yeah.
[744.42] Stephen: There's that as well.
[745.42] Stephen: I'm sure you've got you've got a whole wall of foamy's up behind you that probably fly
[748.5] Stephen: not great after they've been sent into a hill very, very fast.
[752.74] Stephen: You could give them one of those.
[754.98] Jack: I have no I don't really have any working pains really other than.
[759.66] Stephen: Well, that's a good starting point, you see, because if they're flying that badly, then
[763.18] Stephen: you just get them barely in the air and you're done.
[767.46] Stephen: The thing is, you've got to make it representative of what someone at the time would have thought
[771.14] Stephen: was good.
[772.14] Stephen: So you're not just making something that is tight.
[774.5] Stephen: You're making something that someone a while ago would have been incredibly proud to own.
[779.38] Stephen: But by today's standards is kind of.
[782.1] Jack: Yeah, I mean, the hardest point part was like trying to find the glass nylon props made
[791.22] Jack: by gem fan that you had to change every five minutes.
[794.58] Jack: But this is going to be even harder because you'll break like 20 sets in the first session.
[798.9] Jack: And so.
[799.9] Jack: Yeah.
[802.34] Jack: I wish I had the three bladed version, though, you know, each more vibration.
[808.98] Stephen: Yeah, because it was eight inch.
[811.26] Stephen: This thing, quad blades are always the worst vibration, I think, if you can find some quad
[816.42] Stephen: bladed props, those things, they would just like throw you into the right mess.
[821.78] Jack: Yeah, I had I have got the I have got the Turner G9X with the FreeSky module like, you
[836.02] Jack: know, hacked firmware in there that does like telemetry and everything.
[845.54] Jack: Yeah, I have got that.
[846.74] Jack: But that's stored up in the loft and I just can't be asked to deal with it.
[853.81] Jack: So, you know, and I just kind of thought, well, express all the rest.
[859.09] Jack: That's not really going to improve the improve the flying sort of response of it.
[867.57] Curry: I've got I think I should bring you and make you keep this really terrible fly
[873.97] Curry: sky radio, which was the first radio I bought.
[877.01] Curry: And it's just it's basic.
[881.49] Curry: How many channels is it four or five?
[883.33] Curry: I don't know.
[884.29] Curry: It's got normal sticks.
[885.25] Curry: It's got a couple of switches.
[886.53] Curry: But in order to change anything, including like reversing channels, you have to go on
[890.29] Curry: the computer and connect to it and somehow change those things around.
[895.89] Curry: And the chance of the software working anymore is very remote.
[898.69] Curry: So I think that would be useful as a challenge.
[903.92] Curry: And it's got those gold.
[906.16] Curry: You've got like the eight or six channel fly scope and receivers with the little crappy
[913.68] Curry: dipole antenna.
[914.64] Curry: I think that'll work really well.
[916.4] Jack: Yeah, sorted.
[918.16] Jack: I didn't even I remember when I first started, I didn't even have fail safe set up properly.
[922.96] Jack: So you just continue with its last.
[926.4] Curry: Yeah, that's what flies go ahead.
[928.4] Curry: Because I remember that because I was like, oh, I wonder how far I can go with my fantastic
[933.68] Curry: AR Nominex or the the 9x as it was using the fly sky receiver.
[942.0] Curry: And it just like, yeah, it just lost signal.
[945.84] Curry: Not that I knew about it, but like the sticks didn't work and then crashed.
[950.16] Curry: So that's when I invested in.
[953.36] Stephen: I remember helping some kids at FPV drone fest to fail safe setting on fly
[958.8] Stephen: skype.
[959.28] Stephen: They'd arrive with like a deviation TX radio and fly sky.
[964.4] Stephen: And they were the only people who had that.
[967.44] Stephen: The organizers were like, what is this?
[969.44] Stephen: We've never seen it.
[971.2] Stephen: Like, have you set up fail safe?
[972.48] Stephen: They looked at me and they're like, it works.
[975.6] Stephen: And I'm like, that's not the same thing now, is it?
[979.2] Stephen: So we had to sort of get take props off and check it out.
[984.0] Stephen: And no, they had not set up fail safe.
[986.08] Stephen: And yeah, we had to absolutely make it do kind of no pulses.
[990.08] Stephen: And then the FC would take over.
[992.32] Stephen: And the FC is a lot smarter now.
[994.96] Stephen: And it can recognize a bunch of conditions such as this receiver is talking dog.
[1001.6] Stephen: And fail safe, whereas in the past, it was a bit more gullible and credulous
[1005.84] Stephen: of what the receiver might be saying, I think.
[1008.64] Curry: So, so lucky to have more intelligent flight controllers.
[1012.0] Curry: I remember setting up fail safes for my planes where they had their,
[1017.84] Curry: you know, they had all proprietary autopilots.
[1020.08] Curry: And you had to basically put the channels you wanted at the exact rates
[1026.32] Curry: and then like press a button.
[1028.0] Curry: So you're like, I need to throttle it about 80% and I want return home activated.
[1033.44] Curry: And then like, press this button to do it.
[1035.68] Curry: And then you had to test it, which involved holding a plane.
[1038.4] Curry: Well, the thing goes absolutely mental.
[1040.8] Curry: And you try to like switch it back off or pull the battery out or something.
[1043.76] Curry: That was fun.
[1045.44] Curry: Easy.
[1045.76] Stephen: Now, I just noticed NRC's made a good point.
[1048.56] Stephen: Like, are you running Windows XP?
[1050.4] Stephen: So I think you've probably got to take this to the field with like
[1052.96] Stephen: a beat up Dell latitude from 2012 running Windows XP as well.
[1060.16] Jack: I got Windows 10.
[1061.2] Jack: That's as far back as I go.
[1063.04] Jack: I've got a copy of Windows 7.
[1065.92] Stephen: It's not, it's not vintage, right?
[1067.84] Stephen: I'm not into this.
[1068.8] Jack: That's what I started on.
[1071.2] Jack: I remember trying to flash some, some hobby king blue ESCs on Windows XP
[1083.6] Jack: because I was away and all I had access to was, was that.
[1089.44] Stephen: You've got to get your mini disk library out and just fucking go to town on this.
[1093.44] Jack: I know.
[1093.92] Jack: And I do have an old Windows XP machine, but I need to try and get up and running again.
[1105.28] Stephen: Yeah.
[1105.84] Stephen: I mean, it's probably full of assembly viruses by now or run by itself,
[1109.44] Stephen: like straight out the door and over to Russia.
[1112.08] Stephen: Fine.
[1112.48] Jack: That's it.
[1114.8] Jack: Like the Windows service pack three.
[1117.68] Jack: Yeah, baby.
[1118.56] Jack: I mean, install a version of Fallout and Fallout 2.
[1126.53] Curry: It'd be fine until we try to go online and every single website will say,
[1130.13] Curry: we don't like this because you're using on that.
[1133.01] Curry: You can't get any new ones from the browser.
[1135.17] Stephen: Single website would be like, we don't think you should really be connected to a network.
[1145.3] Stephen: But for your health, I'm just going to just remotely shut down your computer.
[1149.38] Stephen: You just stay there.
[1151.14] Jack: Curry, what was the return address on those hobby king batteries?
[1155.3] Jack: Are they actually based in the UK or did they import them?
[1159.46] Jack: Do you?
[1159.94] Curry: Uh, I don't know.
[1163.14] Curry: They don't make lighters hidden.
[1164.74] Curry: Still at the box.
[1166.26] Jack: Well, no, but they used to have like lucky stuff, LTD.
[1170.58] Curry: Yeah, that's the thing.
[1172.66] Curry: They will generally, I don't get many things direct from China now because they all come in
[1177.7] Curry: somewhere and then they come in locally, which is great for me because I don't have to pay
[1183.3] Curry: customs.
[1184.5] Curry: I can't remember.
[1185.46] Curry: And I can't, I have no idea if the woman that talked to me was representing hobby king US
[1193.38] Curry: or China or UK.
[1195.46] Curry: I have to check that or where she wants the links.
[1198.34] Stephen: Are they still the same company set up?
[1200.1] Stephen: Because they had some difficulties didn't they?
[1202.9] Stephen: Financial difficulties and they kind of stopped trading in some regions.
[1206.98] Jack: Yeah.
[1207.3] Jack: Covid was terrible.
[1208.58] Jack: They just like people just didn't have jobs one day.
[1212.42] Curry: But yeah, they've been somewhat irrelevant lately.
[1215.86] Curry: No one's really thought about them much.
[1219.46] Curry: Maybe people buying fixed wing planes are still doing that because they said that that
[1224.42] Curry: was going to be their big thing.
[1225.94] Curry: They're getting back into fixed wing mostly because I think they, yeah, that's why they
[1229.3] Curry: didn't have any choice.
[1231.94] Stephen: Well, also fixed wing stock doesn't really age out, does it?
[1234.66] Stephen: It's like the same for 10 years.
[1236.5] Stephen: And you can't hold on to quite frames that long because they'll have done like 27
[1240.58] Stephen: revisions.
[1241.46] Stephen: I guess some fixed wing stuff has been unfair.
[1244.18] Stephen: There's clearly some are going through tons of revisions, but it's more stable,
[1249.46] Curry: part of the hub, right?
[1252.26] Curry: Yeah, I think it's like if it's if it works like 10 years ago, it's still work now.
[1257.46] Curry: It might just be the revision is going to be things like, oh, we've made this bigger so
[1261.62] Curry: you can chuck in a big flight control and you've got more aspects about where to put
[1265.94] Curry: the battery and stuff.
[1267.38] Curry: But nothing serious changes.
[1270.26] Stephen: Yeah, because if you're running a big warehouse in operation, that would be a pain point,
[1274.1] Stephen: wouldn't it?
[1274.66] Stephen: Like how long?
[1275.94] Stephen: Nevermind how much space you've got for stock.
[1278.18] Stephen: Like is it perishing like a bunch of fresh flours or fruits?
[1281.7] Stephen: And I get the feeling some of the quadcopter stuff is a bit like that,
[1285.14] Stephen: but it's good for one season and the season after people will give you two thirds of the
[1289.78] Stephen: money and that's it.
[1292.18] Curry: It might be interesting back in the day to try and chase the little trends going on.
[1298.82] Curry: It's like, oh, we've released these motors and they've got like soft mounts.
[1302.1] Curry: Oh, no, hang on, you've moved on.
[1304.1] Curry: We've got this gimbal and it tries to do stuff.
[1307.46] Curry: And oh, no, that's changed again.
[1309.14] Curry: Now we now we're back to five inches and oh, we've got some bull nose props.
[1314.26] Curry: They're new.
[1314.82] Curry: But oh, no, they've stopped.
[1316.1] Stephen: You can imagine what the warehouse staff were feeling after looking at a couple of
[1320.18] Stephen: years of those stats where they're like, well, we buy something.
[1322.74] Stephen: It sells well.
[1323.54] Stephen: So we buy more of it.
[1325.3] Stephen: And then it ends up sat in the warehouse after that for like the next 24 months.
[1331.14] Stephen: We can't shift it.
[1332.74] Stephen: It's kind of a nightmare.
[1335.3] Curry: Yeah, charging all the batteries go out of date and they shove them in the great big bin.
[1340.42] Curry: Oh, yeah, the safety.
[1342.02] Jack: Oh, that was scary.
[1343.62] Jack: I bet that's been still there.
[1348.18] Curry: It's safe.
[1348.58] Curry: Next time you visit your mom, go up there.
[1350.98] Curry: There were full boxes of batteries in there that are just basically dated out because
[1356.5] Curry: they haven't sold them within X amount of time.
[1359.06] Curry: So they take the entire box and shove it in.
[1361.62] Stephen: Yeah, it's fine.
[1362.82] Stephen: That's called safety.
[1364.34] Curry: That's how it works.
[1365.62] Curry: It's terrible.
[1368.51] Jack: Crying shame.
[1370.91] Jack: Yeah, that storage container would have been just left abandoned there.
[1377.79] Jack: I can't see anyone taking that.
[1381.71] Jack: What are they going to do?
[1382.35] Jack: Drive it down a little tip and say, can we put this in your battery lid, please?
[1385.31] Stephen: I'm trying to find what the half-life of lithium battery chemistry is.
[1389.63] Stephen: Like at what point is it going to be safe?
[1392.51] Stephen: Yeah, restore.
[1394.27] Stephen: I'll tell you what, it's going to burn to hell and bark.
[1405.92] Stephen: Well, it may not.
[1406.8] Stephen: You never know.
[1409.04] Stephen: Do they get defunct at a certain point?
[1410.72] Stephen: Because it's the vulnerability linked to how much stored charge there is.
[1415.68] Stephen: Or is it just they're flammable even if they're completely dead empty?
[1422.24] Stephen: I guess they're still flammable even if there's no charge for that.
[1425.44] Curry: I think so because it's a chemistry thing, isn't it?
[1428.16] Curry: I mean, obviously, you can discharge them to death and that makes them a bit safer.
[1432.72] Curry: But I wouldn't go banging nails into anybody just to check.
[1436.88] Stephen: If they sit there, presumably, they've got really damp as well as they've been outside.
[1440.88] Stephen: If the mixture slowly absorbs a bunch of moisture from the surrounding air,
[1445.76] Stephen: does that make them safer or does that make them less safe?
[1450.29] Stephen: So many questions.
[1451.25] Stephen: And I feel that Hobbyking, in their own special way, is trying to answer those questions.
[1456.05] Curry: Don't know.
[1456.45] Curry: I kind of feel if you've got a big shed full of batteries exposed to the elements,
[1461.97] Curry: I'm feeling less safe as time goes on somehow.
[1465.89] Stephen: Well, a attitude like that, you'll never work at Hobbyking.
[1468.53] UNKNOWN: I think they did.
[1469.25] Jack: If you just charge a light go to zero, it will recover back to about one volt.
[1477.09] Stephen: It wants to be at one volt, then.
[1479.89] Stephen: Last goals.
[1485.46] Stephen: One times.
[1487.06] Jack: Devo 7E, factory sealed, best radio ever.
[1491.06] Jack: So good.
[1492.26] Jack: But I bought a spare.
[1494.1] Stephen: They're not bad, the Devo 7's, yeah.
[1497.22] Stephen: I mean, they're totally outclassed now, but they were quite funky.
[1500.98] Stephen: Multi-protocol radios go, because back in the day, you didn't want to get stuck
[1504.74] Stephen: in someone's ecosystem, right?
[1506.58] Stephen: This was the big downside of FrSky, where you could bolt other stuff to it,
[1512.98] Stephen: but it's still fundamentally an FrSky product.
[1515.22] Stephen: With the Devos, they were much more light.
[1518.02] Stephen: Once you flashed it, it was just whatever the hell you wanted it to be.
[1521.7] Stephen: And you could have all the complexity that you'd get from a monochrome OpenTX system.
[1528.66] Stephen: You could do all that stuff.
[1529.78] Stephen: It was just really badly documented.
[1531.86] Stephen: I think that the biggest problem with some of the early ones
[1534.34] Stephen: had pretty limited amounts of internal flash.
[1536.58] Stephen: So got to a point where they were adding so many protocols to the things,
[1540.98] Stephen: the multi-protocol radio, that you couldn't actually fit the protocols
[1545.54] Stephen: in the flash space.
[1546.5] Stephen: And that kind of killed someone.
[1549.86] Curry: Choose your favorite protocols and flash them.
[1552.26] Jack: Yeah, right.
[1554.5] Stephen: They're all nice.
[1557.46] Jack: You don't really need that many of them, surely.
[1560.42] Jack: Not these days.
[1561.78] Stephen: Yeah, but a lot of the trouble is you have to pick from a list,
[1566.66] Stephen: and they've got the most obtuse names in the world.
[1569.14] Stephen: So ahead of time, it's not the easiest thing
[1571.86] Stephen: to pick out exactly which protocols you need and which you don't need.
[1575.86] Stephen: Like, do I need an SJN5 version 3?
[1580.1] Stephen: Or what?
[1581.14] Stephen: You know, maybe get out to somewhere and be like,
[1583.86] Stephen: oh, yeah, I could control that car with this.
[1586.02] Stephen: Oh, no, I needed the SJN5 version 3 protocol
[1589.86] Stephen: for this weird line of toys.
[1592.66] Stephen: Yeah, it was always a bit like you just had to kind of enable everything
[1596.26] Stephen: and then look it up online and figure out
[1598.1] Stephen: which protocols you needed once the thing was in front of you.
[1601.94] Stephen: It did control just absolutely everything.
[1603.86] Stephen: It was just comically compatible.
[1608.66] Jack: Yeah, Andy says, like, back in the day, there were only four chips.
[1611.94] Jack: So the protocols were easy to hack, hence the name four in one.
[1615.7] Stephen: There were four chips, but each of those four chips
[1617.86] Stephen: will do like 27 different protocols.
[1620.42] Stephen: So it's not four chips, four protocols.
[1622.18] Stephen: It's like four chips, four types of encoding.
[1626.66] Stephen: Look at the protocols list on OpenTX or HDX.
[1629.78] Curry: It's a lot longer than four.
[1632.18] Curry: There is a lot.
[1633.06] Curry: But am I guessing from that coming from Andy,
[1635.7] Curry: there's more than just four basic chips now
[1638.26] Curry: that handle lots and lots of protocols.
[1640.1] Curry: So we have the five, six.
[1641.86] Curry: Most of the toy ones are all on those.
[1644.98] Curry: Those are the ones that they had, of course.
[1646.82] Curry: It's just if anything else comes out.
[1648.9] Curry: But I tend to think that's sort of, that's had its day,
[1653.86] Curry: the sort of multi-program module, because now it's like,
[1656.58] Curry: you're running ELS, right?
[1657.86] Curry: And the legacy stuff, I have this multi-program module
[1661.06] Curry: and I just run FreeSky or maybe Spectrum
[1664.98] Curry: or Floy's guy in Jack's case, if he gets that receiving.
[1668.66] Curry: Stop it.
[1671.54] Stephen: If you're around someone's house and their kid's got a toy,
[1674.02] Stephen: that's the main situation.
[1675.54] Stephen: I find these things being useful.
[1676.82] Stephen: Like someone has got a little toy car
[1680.66] Stephen: and they want a nicer controller
[1682.74] Stephen: or they've got a little toy quadcopter
[1685.62] Stephen: and you're like, well, this could fly a bit better,
[1688.02] Stephen: but the controller that comes with it
[1689.7] Stephen: is just minimum viable product.
[1692.1] Stephen: And so you just go over there
[1693.62] Stephen: and give them a bit of a hand and be like,
[1695.14] Stephen: oh, we'll just bind this onto this controller.
[1696.74] Stephen: It's not an amazing expensive controller,
[1698.5] Stephen: but it's better than the one that came
[1699.78] Stephen: with your little toy quad.
[1702.02] Stephen: And all of a sudden, you've transitioned it
[1704.26] Stephen: from being disposable to being something
[1706.58] Stephen: that you can learn to fly on
[1707.94] Stephen: and get an appreciation of what's going on.
[1712.18] Stephen: It's not going to be very useful in the long run,
[1716.34] Stephen: but to get people flying, it's got to play something.
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[1746.5] Stephen: Did you guys not mess around
[1747.62] Stephen: with multi protocol that much then?
[1749.7] Curry: No, never.
[1751.3] Curry: Only in terms of like,
[1752.34] Curry: I had a couple of like toy things from Banggood,
[1755.3] Curry: which is like, look, I can make this fly now.
[1758.18] Curry: It was, I only had like a few things that were on spectrum,
[1765.14] Curry: which I could like use.
[1766.66] Curry: I've still got this little tiny plane on the wall
[1768.34] Curry: that's spectrum based, which I can use,
[1770.1] Curry: but the rest of it was like,
[1772.9] Curry: just a bit of a mess around to see if I can make it work.
[1776.58] Curry: But other than that, it's been like,
[1778.66] Curry: I said, I'm on the other side of everything now
[1781.62] Curry: and that's just my legacy stuff on Free Sky.
[1786.02] Stephen: Yeah, it's just toys, I guess.
[1787.78] Stephen: What I'm using increasingly for is cars like ground vehicles.
[1791.62] Stephen: A lot of the time the controllers that you get with them
[1793.46] Stephen: are really terrible and having...
[1795.3] Curry: I've found that, but I've had real trouble.
[1797.7] Curry: I tried to get some,
[1800.1] Curry: try on some of the cars I've used on FPV
[1802.9] Curry: and I ended up, because they've got like inbuilt ESC
[1806.98] Curry: and receive all in one.
[1808.66] Curry: And I was like, I went through all the protocols
[1810.5] Curry: and I couldn't make it fly into anything.
[1812.98] Curry: So I just ended up swapping out the ESC
[1816.66] Curry: and getting myself a proper receiver for it
[1818.74] Curry: and doing it that way.
[1819.3] Stephen: I've had luck with WL toys.
[1821.38] Stephen: WL toys, they have quite good protocol support.
[1824.9] Stephen: I don't know.
[1825.3] Stephen: WL toys have quite a lot of protocols in there,
[1826.98] Curry: but yeah, that's funny.
[1830.02] Stephen: But yeah, there's so many manufacturers of cars.
[1832.58] Stephen: I'm sure some of them are totally unsupported,
[1834.66] Stephen: I believe that.
[1836.42] Stephen: I would say I use them often just every now and then.
[1839.06] Stephen: I'm like, I'll just pick up some like comedy thing
[1841.54] Stephen: to play around with and that's probably what it comes out.
[1844.82] Stephen: How's the voron build going?
[1846.82] Jack: Any progress?
[1848.18] Jack: No, I've stuffed it into an even worse corner than before.
[1854.66] Jack: And I still haven't even done the continuity test.
[1860.1] Jack: I had a look at like the wiring diagram thing
[1865.7] Jack: and I can't find the basic wiring diagram that I saved.
[1870.82] Jack: So I'm sort of like, I've lost my documentation.
[1875.62] Jack: I've totally lost where I am with everything.
[1878.34] Jack: You need to get a nice big chunk of time when you're calm
[1881.46] Jack: and just pick it up and play ahead.
[1883.46] Jack: Yeah, I haven't.
[1886.9] Jack: I've totally dropped the ball.
[1888.9] Stephen: You know, you can't always just charge through.
[1891.94] Stephen: You've done like probably 100 hours of work on that.
[1894.98] Stephen: It's a lot and you can't just keep up that momentum
[1897.62] Stephen: because you know, you're going to break something,
[1899.54] Stephen: you're going to get tired.
[1901.46] Jack: Yeah, well, yeah.
[1902.66] Jack: Life's been, you know, kicking me in the balls for a while.
[1905.7] Jack: That's kind of why I sort of like took my foot off the pedal a bit.
[1911.54] Jack: And then, you know, I tried to make sure I went and saw you guys.
[1919.38] Jack: I messaged like Charles is in Cambridge and that.
[1924.26] Jack: And basically none of those guys are free until September.
[1930.1] Jack: So that's going to be awful to fly in September.
[1933.22] Jack: Sure.
[1933.7] Stephen: You never know.
[1934.58] Stephen: I mean, we're getting a wet period now.
[1936.18] Stephen: It could like tidy up nicely.
[1943.31] Jack: But I did let Adam Juniper know about the LDO 10 years.
[1951.07] Jack: So we might have an old, another old host.
[1954.51] Jack: And he did ask me to write my opinions on the new legislations that's coming in.
[1961.47] Jack: Oh, geez.
[1963.07] Jack: But I don't think that's a very good idea because I don't think I've got anything good to say about it.
[1969.55] Jack: Yeah.
[1970.11] Stephen: It's like those feedback surveys where you're like, well, you want me to complete this,
[1974.03] Stephen: but I don't think it's going to end up with any happy thoughts like this.
[1981.82] Jack: Is it remote ID that's coming in?
[1985.5] Stephen: They're just tightening everything up, I think.
[1990.46] Curry: Complain about it better.
[1991.98] Curry: And I can't read stuff that makes me depressed.
[1993.98] Curry: I'm just going to ignore it and carry on.
[1995.98] Stephen: I mean, I gave it a quick glance, but I thought I'd wrap my head around the legislation previously.
[2001.02] Stephen: And it just looks more obtuse and more complex.
[2003.58] Stephen: And it's like they're deliberately changing the way that everything's organized and laid out every
[2008.62] Stephen: single time.
[2009.42] Stephen: They're like, oh, it's going to make it easier.
[2010.86] Stephen: But actually, all you've done is done a rug pull on anyone who's been paying attention up until now.
[2016.54] Stephen: So I just have no idea what's happened at this point.
[2020.7] Stephen: And it's killing my enthusiasm for the hobby, as you can probably tell.
[2026.62] Stephen: Yeah, I've noticed.
[2028.22] Stephen: And there's lots of other tech stuff to do.
[2029.9] Stephen: So at the end of the world, maybe I'll get the tank out, mess around with that for a bit.
[2036.86] Stephen: I'm certainly not going to try and build a 100-gram quad.
[2039.82] Stephen: I don't think there's much joy to be had in that.
[2042.22] Stephen: It's just not being featherweight and knocked around by the breeze.
[2046.22] Stephen: I've felt that type of thing before.
[2047.74] Stephen: It's just like challenging to find any way to fly it because, you know, some more thoughts
[2052.14] Stephen: in the wrong direction.
[2053.02] Stephen: It skids off.
[2054.54] Stephen: It's a bit tricky.
[2056.62] Jack: I just feel like I've got so much **** to sort out.
[2060.46] Jack: You know, I've got the joys of trying to sort out my car insurance as well.
[2065.02] Jack: That's going to be fun.
[2067.1] Jack: Yeah, I've got a little bit to find.
[2069.1] Jack: Change of circumstances, which is always great.
[2074.3] Jack: So I don't know.
[2075.66] Jack: I'm just I don't know.
[2077.26] Jack: I've kind of on the bonus part that I've been doing with Cole, we completed my favorites list.
[2087.5] Jack: So then we so we're probably going to start talking about when Cole first joined the hobby
[2095.02] Jack: and how he got on and that.
[2100.67] Jack: So, you know, that's been kind of fun.
[2103.15] Jack: But, you know, I missed I missed TTNS last week because I was ill.
[2110.43] Jack: I done LDO and then cancelled TTNS and I'm super bummed out because it means that I'm
[2117.31] Jack: not going to be on there till like August, late August.
[2121.71] Jack: So I'm like super I don't know.
[2126.35] Jack: I just yeah, I know.
[2127.87] Jack: I just kind of feel like I'm coasting till Cole gets here.
[2131.79] Jack: And then somehow Cole is going to get here and magically figure out what to do with me.
[2136.19] Jack: Well, you can't do everything all the time.
[2139.23] Jack: It was my birthday.
[2140.75] Jack: And then like so many people called me.
[2144.51] Jack: It was really lovely.
[2145.87] Jack: But I was just like, I don't have anything to say.
[2149.15] Jack: I don't have anything that's going on.
[2151.23] Jack: I don't know what I'm doing.
[2153.71] Jack: You know, I would have planned like some sort of weekend fly with you guys.
[2157.95] Jack: But then it's like an awkward thing of if I go to the farmer and be like, hey, I want
[2165.39] Jack: to fly with a group of us, even though, you know, that's probably not going to be ideal.
[2172.35] Jack: And plus, like the weathers, it just it just it started raining.
[2177.47] Jack: It's either windy or rainy.
[2179.63] Jack: Yeah.
[2180.11] Jack: I've been really windy.
[2182.75] Curry: Just everywhere has been windy, hasn't it?
[2185.31] Jack: Yeah.
[2187.66] Jack: And like I properly like I look back at when we first started, I was out.
[2192.54] Jack: I couldn't.
[2194.94] Jack: I was just out all the time.
[2197.5] Jack: And I was thinking about all the light.
[2200.86] Jack: I just look at the files and I have made a you can't fault me.
[2206.38] Jack: I have made a real effort to fly this year.
[2209.34] Jack: Well done.
[2210.7] Jack: You know, like I've I've visited you.
[2213.66] Jack: I visited Steven.
[2215.5] Jack: I visited Frank.
[2216.94] Jack: I visited Frank with Chris G.
[2221.66] Jack: Yeah, I've done that.
[2223.66] Jack: And then it just made me ill.
[2227.34] Jack: I've just like I've had a I've literally had like the flu for two weeks now.
[2233.18] Jack: Time to rest.
[2234.94] Curry: That's the thing about meeting people.
[2236.94] Stephen: They're all full of germs.
[2238.78] Stephen: Yeah.
[2239.42] Stephen: I'm not happy about having to go into work so much because I just know as
[2244.94] Stephen: soon as winter comes around and be sick, sick, sick.
[2249.18] Stephen: Nothing to get on that.
[2252.78] Jack: So I mean, I just look at like my storage of like,
[2263.78] Jack: you know, all the flights I done stuff.
[2266.26] Jack: Like, you know, I go back to 2014.
[2270.18] Jack: I got the early part for I went to flew fossil.
[2274.82] Jack: I got memory cards.
[2277.06] Jack: Two, four, three memory card.
[2280.34] Jack: One, I went to the nationals.
[2283.38] Jack: I got Niko's maiden of his tricopter.
[2287.06] Jack: I flew with Oscar Lang.
[2289.46] Jack: I flew at Stama Park with Tony and everyone.
[2293.3] Jack: Flew again at Stama with Tony Oscar and Dan Upton.
[2302.26] Jack: Then I went to summer's pond and I'd done the FPV league where my
[2309.14] Jack: ESCs caught fire in London.
[2313.38] Jack: Like I've done all that.
[2314.74] Jack: And then this year I've done I've been out a good time a load with Chris.
[2323.46] Jack: I've been out with Chris.
[2325.7] Jack: I went and saw Curry.
[2327.86] Jack: I've been out of Tom with Dan and then Frank Stama with Dom.
[2335.54] Jack: Been out with Frank and Rudy.
[2338.1] Jack: Then I've been out with Chris G.
[2340.66] Jack: I've done some testing.
[2343.3] Jack: I don't believe you.
[2345.62] Stephen: We believe you, Jack.
[2347.38] Jack: In the snow.
[2348.26] Jack: Yeah, it's just like I've been out of Tom as well.
[2353.38] Jack: So yeah, I've done I've done pretty well.
[2355.22] Stephen: Yeah, yeah.
[2357.3] Jack: Yeah, just don't feel just doesn't feel like enough.
[2361.62] Stephen: I'm just more enjoying home automation and other stuff.
[2363.94] Stephen: To be honest, I'm a bit flying now and then but it's not.
[2368.9] Stephen: I think that the hotness has kind of died off a lot.
[2371.46] Stephen: The stuff that I'm I still pay attention to the media.
[2374.26] Stephen: It's just I'm noticing a lot of things haven't changed a hell of a lot.
[2378.74] Stephen: So I don't feel like there's a lot of things because part of what I used to do
[2382.26] Stephen: is experiment like this is new.
[2383.7] Stephen: We'll try that.
[2384.34] Stephen: That's new.
[2384.82] Stephen: I'll try that.
[2386.02] Stephen: And I'm not getting that sort of fear of missing out.
[2389.62] Stephen: So I used to get the old FOMO and be like, I'll have to try this experiment with that.
[2393.62] Stephen: Try that.
[2394.82] Stephen: But now it feels like it's all kind of same as it was last year.
[2399.62] Stephen: So I'll just sort of, you know, check back in on the news in a little while and see how it goes.
[2404.42] Jack: You know, I've still got a ton of tabs open for the beta flight documentation.
[2413.04] Jack: No, that's been interesting.
[2415.76] Jack: Slowly going through that.
[2422.96] Jack: It's a bit all over the place.
[2425.76] Jack: I'm not going to lie.
[2426.88] Curry: Yeah, it's the last thing anybody wants to do, isn't it?
[2430.8] Stephen: Yeah, it's also written by people who have very deep knowledge of very narrow areas.
[2437.12] Stephen: So you end up with someone who knows everything about ESCs,
[2441.84] Stephen: but knows absolutely nothing about GPS or radio receivers.
[2445.68] Stephen: And so they write the ESC bit and it's super deep, you know,
[2450.72] Stephen: and it just doesn't cover everything because of that reason.
[2457.89] Stephen: You're relying on people to spend a bunch of time coming up with a documentation,
[2463.57] Stephen: but you don't have an expert for every single part,
[2467.41] Stephen: much less an expert that wants to spend ages.
[2472.69] Stephen: Talking about the document because not everyone's going to be good at the subject
[2477.41] Stephen: and good at writing.
[2478.37] Stephen: That's like an unusual overlap.
[2480.69] Stephen: That's the reason why developers hate documentation normally.
[2484.29] Stephen: That's not in there for the writing.
[2487.09] Stephen: They're in there for the playing with the code.
[2490.05] Stephen: So I think it's lucky to have got as far as it has,
[2493.17] Stephen: but it's something I'd like to contribute a bit more to.
[2495.97] Stephen: I'm not a great developer, but I think I'm an okay technical writer.
[2500.77] Stephen: So, you know, I'll try and help out if I can.
[2504.53] Stephen: It's just, it is onerous, you know, it's kind of a chore
[2507.65] Stephen: because you've got to, if you're writing about something,
[2511.01] Stephen: you're doing a page on receivers, for example.
[2513.33] Stephen: Well, you can't just write about what you happen to use.
[2516.93] Stephen: You've got to include the fly skies.
[2520.05] Stephen: The radio fly, whatever they're called, you know, radio link receivers.
[2525.41] Stephen: You've got to include all the hokey stuff that people just might have
[2529.89] Stephen: and explain how they can use it.
[2531.89] Stephen: Because we do get people who complain that they're,
[2535.41] Stephen: um, what's that elitist radio?
[2540.21] Stephen: The elitist radio that fixed wind guys have, the really fancy one.
[2546.37] Stephen: The old guy radio, Jetty.
[2548.93] Stephen: We have some people flying Jetty radios
[2551.73] Stephen: and they'll be like, why is my telemetry not working on Jetty?
[2556.13] Stephen: And they'll go to the wiki and be like, well,
[2557.89] Stephen: it doesn't say how to use my Jetty radio.
[2559.73] Stephen: They'll be like, yeah, because you are the person with the Jetty radio.
[2563.65] Stephen: I've not been able to test it.
[2566.61] Stephen: So, yeah, you've got to be kind of painfully evenhanded about stuff like that.
[2571.57] Jack: Yeah.
[2573.01] Jack: Mate, the warbirds guys all had like Jetty radios.
[2576.69] Jack: It was insane.
[2577.97] Jack: Two grand radio.
[2579.49] Jack: Yeah.
[2579.97] Curry: It's the ones that sort of sit there as like the tray radio.
[2583.65] Curry: They've got a tray table.
[2584.77] Curry: Yeah.
[2585.25] Curry: Joysticks.
[2585.81] Curry: Yeah.
[2586.13] Jack: Mate, we had a taste of that with Curry and your support in the video, like the video game.
[2595.09] Jack: I remember you just being like, oh yeah, I've got this transmitter
[2599.73] Jack: and I plugged it into my computer.
[2601.89] Jack: It doesn't work.
[2602.93] Jack: And you were just like, what is this?
[2605.73] Jack: Where is it?
[2606.45] Jack: What the hell makes some of those things that people were trying to use?
[2614.13] Jack: I'm like, what bin did you find this?
[2619.33] Jack: I was just like, mate, some of the stuff were just like.
[2627.6] Stephen: Yeah.
[2628.08] Stephen: And they will pay really, really good money.
[2632.0] Stephen: Not slightly good money, but crazy good money.
[2634.56] Stephen: So they'll want to use it.
[2636.0] Stephen: They'll really want to use it.
[2638.0] Stephen: There's no talking them out of it, convincing them to go and buy some
[2641.76] Stephen: sensibly priced.
[2642.72] Jack: I would send you their radios as well to get you to get it to work.
[2648.24] Jack: It's another world.
[2649.76] Jack: Did that happen, Curry?
[2651.92] Curry: What for the sim?
[2653.36] Curry: They would send that people sent me because generally speaking, these weird old radios
[2661.44] Curry: didn't just plug in.
[2662.48] Curry: They had some sort of dongle.
[2665.68] Curry: So it is using the old three and a half mil audio type jack into this weird USB dongle.
[2673.2] Curry: And I got sent a few of those to check out.
[2676.08] Curry: And that's it's like, that's because when I first started, I didn't put a calibration
[2680.96] Curry: thing in because all the modern razor tested.
[2682.56] Curry: This is fine.
[2683.6] Curry: And then I plugged one of these in.
[2685.36] Curry: It's like the sticks were like up there.
[2688.64] Curry: It's like, come back, come back down all over the place.
[2693.68] Curry: All their channels were buggered.
[2695.28] Curry: It's like, okay, channels one, two, three, four.
[2697.84] Curry: What's this switch channel 24?
[2699.68] Curry: That's weird.
[2700.24] Curry: Because it's like,
[2702.72] Stephen: channel one, two, three, four, five.
[2704.24] Stephen: No, 24.
[2705.6] Stephen: This is a pretty nice product.
[2706.88] Stephen: No question.
[2709.28] Jack: I remember the FSI sixes and me like flashing it to the Bojangles modern stuff.
[2716.4] Jack: Oh, my God.
[2717.2] Stephen: Never flash a Bojangles jet.
[2719.92] Jack: I know.
[2720.64] Jack: I'll get you in trouble.
[2723.36] Stephen: Yeah, the cops will get it off you.
[2727.52] Stephen: So you're going to go flying again soon?
[2729.04] Stephen: Do you have any plans?
[2732.5] Jack: I'm out tomorrow with the Brighton guys.
[2735.46] Jack: Two of us out tomorrow.
[2736.74] Stephen: Are you in your usual place down the valley?
[2740.1] Jack: I don't know.
[2740.74] Jack: I think it might be Stammah.
[2742.58] Jack: It will be the valley if Dan does the morning.
[2745.78] Jack: If not, if he's totally busy, then yeah, I think it will just be Stammah.
[2751.94] Jack: I haven't very nice.
[2754.02] Jack: I've got to coordinate.
[2755.86] Jack: You are very welcome to join us.
[2757.94] Jack: But I think you'll probably be working with you.
[2762.58] Stephen: Yeah, it being Friday.
[2764.02] Stephen: Yeah.
[2764.58] Stephen: I thought I thought I would secretly partly hoping that it might already be the weekend,
[2768.66] Stephen: but that seems unlikely.
[2769.94] Stephen: It's just my yeah.
[2772.74] Stephen: Yeah.
[2774.02] Stephen: Wishing it to be the weekend.
[2776.58] Jack: But yeah, if you want to do something in the weekend, I am more than happy to see you.
[2781.94] Jack: We could go somewhere, but I don't want to fly down there.
[2785.62] Stephen: Certainly tempting.
[2787.46] Stephen: And it did seem that surprisingly, I did have a flyable cord after leaving it left alone in a
[2794.98] Stephen: bag untouched.
[2797.46] Stephen: One of them had some very unusual damage, but one of them was worth.
[2802.42] Stephen: Well, two of them actually, just one of the five inches was looking a bit funky.
[2806.9] Stephen: And I didn't feel like why.
[2809.54] Jack: Hmm.
[2810.26] Jack: I got sent a new seven inch frame.
[2813.62] Jack: I'm waiting on I've ordered some standoffs from China.
[2817.7] Jack: I might cut down some other standoffs.
[2822.98] Stephen: Nothing wrong.
[2824.66] Stephen: Yeah.
[2826.5] Stephen: What's that?
[2826.82] Stephen: Hang on.
[2827.06] Stephen: What length standoffs do you need?
[2828.42] Jack: Because I've got 16 16 M2 or M3.
[2835.54] Jack: Three, baby.
[2839.62] Jack: And also, Stephen, I have ordered, believe it or not, some more of the eight, the eight mil gummies.
[2852.82] Stephen: You don't want to take my janky advice of just shoving a bit of wire insulation.
[2857.14] Jack: No, no, no.
[2857.78] Jack: These are these are M4 to M3 conversion.
[2862.26] Jack: It's so that we can make your quads even more yellow.
[2866.42] Jack: Because you need that style of ones for your Sky Stars one.
[2877.2] Jack: Eight milligram gummies.
[2878.88] Jack: Yeah, that's cool.
[2881.04] Jack: Yeah, 16.
[2883.68] Stephen: Those that just get my eye and those are 25.
[2888.16] Jack: Is 16 still the age to you can buy lottery tickets?
[2891.92] Jack: Is that right?
[2892.88] Stephen: That's that's not going to be the age that you can buy.
[2896.32] Stephen: Oh, I've actually labeled them.
[2897.52] Stephen: These are 15.
[2899.92] Jack: Yeah, 15 standard, but 16 is weird.
[2903.28] Stephen: Why do you need 16?
[2905.28] Jack: I don't know.
[2905.84] Jack: It's just what they are.
[2909.68] Jack: I thought it was weird.
[2910.72] Jack: I was like, do 15.
[2916.86] Jack: Very strange.
[2918.62] Stephen: I've probably got more in M2, but that's not helping you.
[2921.74] Stephen: Can't fit the fold through them.
[2924.94] Jack: With the power of the internet,
[2926.7] Jack: you know, like that you shape saw thing.
[2930.22] Jack: What is that called to buy one?
[2933.74] Jack: You know, like, you know, it's shaped like a you
[2937.5] Jack: and it holds your saw blade true as you saw into it.
[2943.26] Jack: What are they called?
[2944.54] Stephen: I've noted talking about the frame that goes around the hacksaw.
[2947.5] Stephen: Let's just call it a hacksaw.
[2949.26] Jack: No, like, I can draw a picture.
[2952.86] Curry: Caroline says coping saw.
[2954.38] Jack: No, no, no, no, not coping saw.
[2958.62] Jack: Like, you use it as, you know, you like stick your bit of wood in.
[2964.06] Jack: Hang on, let me draw a picture.
[2966.22] Jack: You know, and it sort of like does the 45 degree cutting thing for you.
[2973.66] Jack: Oh, a mitre, like a mitre block.
[2975.98] Jack: Is that what?
[2976.54] Jack: Yeah, is it a mitre?
[2978.3] Stephen: Yeah, we think so.
[2980.46] Stephen: We think so.
[2981.18] Stephen: We do.
[2983.57] Stephen: And then you have like...
[2984.69] Stephen: Yeah, what you used to do to get perfect right angles and stuff.
[2988.21] Curry: And we've got confirmation on mitre block from everybody.
[2991.89] Curry: Is it a mitre block?
[2993.17] Stephen: Yeah.
[2996.13] Stephen: A quid or something.
[2996.93] Stephen: You'd be able to find them everywhere.
[2998.21] Stephen: A plastic one.
[2998.85] Jack: Well, no, I'm going to print one.
[3000.21] Jack: I'll print one off.
[3001.65] Jack: Yeah.
[3001.81] Jack: I thought maybe I can make like a little knee mitre standoff cutter and then, you know.
[3008.45] Stephen: No, because you're sawing metal at once everywhere or jump around.
[3013.41] Curry: I'm concerned about what happens when you go through and you're still sawing.
[3017.57] Stephen: Yeah, mate.
[3018.05] Stephen: It's a bit dodge.
[3018.61] Curry: Don't worry, you should stop after a while.
[3020.69] Stephen: Oh, yeah.
[3021.65] Stephen: When you get well into your finger and you start really hard to clear it up.
[3027.89] Jack: Hawke, hacksaw, coping saw.
[3031.33] Jack: I'm not coping very well.
[3032.77] Jack: I know that.
[3033.81] Jack: But are you saw?
[3036.45] Jack: Yeah, that's it.
[3038.13] Jack: Mitre block.
[3039.09] Jack: Thank you, guys.
[3040.45] Jack: I knew you guys would know.
[3042.45] Jack: I used to have one.
[3043.73] Jack: I used to have like a little mini one.
[3045.09] Jack: I don't know what happened to it.
[3046.13] Jack: It's gone.
[3047.49] Stephen: The back of a drawer somewhere.
[3050.37] Stephen: They only do get destroyed on account of being right next to a saw.
[3054.53] Stephen: It doesn't take much to sweep up.
[3056.13] Stephen: So.
[3056.69] Jack: Have you done any tricopter stuff, Currie?
[3060.85] Curry: No.
[3061.65] Curry: I like you guys.
[3062.85] Curry: I'm not having a problem with like general apathy.
[3065.41] Curry: I'm having a problem always with time.
[3067.73] Curry: I've got lots of interesting things I want to do.
[3070.21] Curry: Currie, you're a man of leisure.
[3072.93] Curry: I'm not a man of leisure.
[3073.97] Curry: I'm a man who has to clean the house a lot and stuff and do life things.
[3081.09] Curry: And occasionally, I can do something else.
[3084.37] Curry: But yeah, I certainly upgraded like all those gods to the latest version of Open IPC,
[3091.81] Curry: for example, which was that's like at least 50 upgrades since I'd upgraded anything.
[3099.57] Curry: I need to look at that.
[3100.77] Curry: I need to do a whole bunch of stuff sitting out there in the corner.
[3103.73] Curry: But tomorrow, I'm flying four quads before batteries to see what happens.
[3107.65] Curry: Okay.
[3108.05] Curry: Exciting.
[3108.61] Curry: Good luck.
[3111.57] Jack: Don't be on fire.
[3112.45] Stephen: Don't be on fire.
[3113.81] Stephen: Yeah.
[3114.05] Jack: We'll try not to.
[3114.69] Jack: Don't make any promises.
[3117.65] Jack: Thank you.
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[3139.89] Jack: We have a bonus pod that me and Cole do.
[3143.65] Jack: And hopefully towards the end, if we don't continue, we can release them out to everyone.
[3153.25] Stephen: It's the wild.
[3153.97] Jack: Yeah.
[3154.85] Jack: Yeah.
[3155.09] Jack: It's the wild.
[3156.05] Jack: But yeah, we are enjoying making them.
[3159.49] Jack: You've been joined by everyone's favorite curry kitten.
[3163.25] Curry: Bye.
[3165.01] Jack: The man with the West Star, Steven.
[3167.17] Jack: Thank you.
[3167.73] Jack: Good night.
[3168.21] Jack: Happy flying.
[3169.41] Jack: And I've been bright until I fly and you've been listening to Let's Throw Now.
[3173.01] Jack: Like, subscribe, and message Tony that he is a butthole.
[3180.85] Jack: Thank you.
[3181.65] Jack: And good night.
[3187.02] Jack: You're a butthole, Tony.
[3188.46] UNKNOWN: Tony, you suck.